Now that's a new one: a gay man refusing to date transmen is on par with racial genocide

8bitgay · 2021-01-05T18:50:43+00:00

Literally nobody says that genial preference is transphobic. Just if I pass well and I ask out a lesbian on a date. But they turn me down just for being trans. I'm gonna feel like shit. Its putting genitalia first rather than actual attraction.

LITERALLY NOBODY SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T HAVE GENITAL PREFERENCES. Anyway, here's why you can't have genital preferences...

8bitgay · 2021-02-16T14:33:56+00:00

I'm a gay man

I'm nonbinary masc

They can't even be consistent in a single tweet lol

Also someone should go tell her that she's being transphobic against transwomen for trying to exclude them from the app. Gotta outwoke the homophobes.

8bitgay · 2021-02-05T20:18:30+00:00

I saw a fair few complaining about how this subreddit was no longer safe for them or catered to "Real Lesbians".

So just as a fucking reiteration, TERFs THIS IS NOT YOUR HOUSE!

"I saw people complaining this place was no longer safe for real lesbians, so to be clear: it isn't"

8bitgay · 2021-02-01T13:44:50+00:00

"We owe everything to the people who fought for us at Stonewall!"

"So should we listen to gay men who took part at Stonewall?"

"... no."

8bitgay · 2021-01-23T03:50:21+00:00

They're """""feminists""""" that, for their very weird, antisocial, bigoted and nonscientific beliefs, treat trans women as "not real women" and try to erase them from womanhood.

I always find it so funny that they say others can't gatekeep who is woman, who is lesbian, etc... But they love gatekeeping that "TERFs" aren't real feminists. If they identify as feminists then they are feminists, isn't this their own rule?

8bitgay · 2020-11-21T21:59:04+00:00

Person A: Jokes on you, I'm bi

Person B: Please never say that to a trans person ever. I know if someone told me that I would be very upset. We want to be seen as our preferred gender and saying that it's ok because you are bi implies that we will always be out birth gender.

I don't have much to add because the quote kinda speaks for itself.

8bitgay · 2021-01-26T18:24:17+00:00

If I had the money it'd be cool to start an apparel company only with such products. Gay pride, lesbian pride, bi pride. And products with the original gay rainbow flag, without the added stripes.

And for plausible deniability I could always say that I don't have TQ+ pride products because it'd be immoral as a cis person to appropriate their fight for my own personal profit.

8bitgay · 2021-01-04T00:24:31+00:00

The whole trap issue is hilarious because of the parallel to queer. Anilist (an anime website/community) even banned the word for being transphobic.

People wanna call themselves queer? Sure, even though it makes some LGB people uncomfortable! It's a valid identity after all! And let's even call the community at large queer, and call others queer even if they don't like using the word!

People wanna call themselves trap? Wait, it makes trans people uncomfortable, so let's ban it! And let's pretend no one identifies as that, so we don't have to think about it as a valid identity!

8bitgay · 2021-01-28T14:54:03+00:00

Ah, yes, the most persecuted people: the heteroromantic demisexuals. They've went through so much struggle.

I don't even think this type of stuff is out of malice. OP was trying to be inclusive. But doing it without critical thinking can easily become offensive. It's like if a hurricane completely destroyed one city but then instead of talking about this city you keep saying "we need to support USA as a whole", completely avoiding to talk about the specific group of people that was affected.

8bitgay · 2020-11-07T04:21:36+00:00

Oh yeah they never force themselves on us, they never peer pressure us for sex, just ignore all the many instances where they do exactly that

Can we talk about the gay and lesbians who force themselves on trans men and sexualize us please lol.

But that happens, sure. /s

8bitgay · 2021-02-13T15:25:54+00:00

Ah, yeah, that fun guessing game. Who said that, a conservative homophobe or a TRA? Who said that, an incel or a TRA?

8bitgay · 2020-10-29T02:53:24+00:00

Sometimes I think that the best reply might be agreeing with them 200%.

"Totally agree! Everyone that feels any discomfort related to genitals should seek treatment to stop caring about them."

Edit: or:

"I used to have genital preferences too, but now I got over it! I started dating transmen, now I'm bi!"

8bitgay · 2020-08-10T23:44:57+00:00

You are NOT LGBTQIA+ if you do not have the T.

Talk about missing the point.

But yeah, funny how they can create groups only for trans people, groups only for nonbinary, but a group only for LGB is always seen as a personal offense.

8bitgay · 2021-02-11T17:02:55+00:00

If you changed the meme from the clown makeup to that galaxy brain meme it could easily be posted on TRA subs.

8bitgay · 2021-01-29T22:46:13+00:00

This reminds me of a post I saw on a gay sub some days ago.

OP was mentioning how he likes men with big tits. Many comments saying they felt the same. Then some FtM came to say that he felt so validated seeing how many gay men like big tits. Yeah, no. Big male tits/pecs are entirely different from big female breasts. Liking one doesn't mean you'll like the other.

8bitgay · 2021-01-05T01:46:47+00:00

I love how the non-binary relationships are always gay, lesbian, etc. Never straight.

Almost like they're just a regular straight couple taking all the privileges of being a straight couple while also desperately wanting to claim they're something else.

If this was about race it'd be "We aren't a white couple! My husband is actually 1/8 Italian, so we are a multiracial couple!"

8bitgay · 2020-12-24T16:22:35+00:00

"It's transphobic to care about genitals, sexuality is about secondary characteristics!"

"So, what about secondary characteristics like being shorter than men in average, or the feminine body types, or the feminine voices?"

"No, those are irrelevant! The important secondary characteristic is that they have a beard and body hair, just like real men!"

8bitgay · 2020-12-23T02:42:26+00:00

It's always interesting when they make these posts on gay subs.

It's like a post some guy made on a gay sub months ago, asking for tips for sucking dick because he got a trans girlfriend. If transwomen are women, shouldn't he be asking these questions for other straight men who date women? Why is it that he thinks gay men will be able to relate more to his relationship?

8bitgay · 2020-11-29T19:21:19+00:00

“Oh, I wouldn’t say that to her face,” Eric explained dismissively as I called him out on his inappropriate, flippant remark. “I only say that here because it’s fine among us guys. You know I love you, sweetheart. Just not vaginas. Eww. This should be a place for cocks only. Nice, big cocks.”

Eric seems like the type of guy I'd be friends with.

Is it really fine to talk this way? Even “among us guys”? I know there are cisgender men out there that are bothered by these types of remarks and even feel uncomfortable hearing them.

She says, while also finding it impossible to refer to gay men using non offensive words. Apparently gay men being bothered and uncomfortable by a homophobic word doesn't matter.

I’ve stood in leather bars while title holders who call themselves trans-inclusive yammer about how men whose dicks aren’t big enough are just a waste of air. I’ve heard size queens exclaim outright that any man with a two inch dick might as well just kill himself and end the shameful misery.

And surely she couldn't care less about small sized gay men that might feel bad because of this, they're just colateral damage in her argument.

I would never legitimately be recognized in my community?

I'm pretty sure TQ+ communities would accept you. Maybe you'd realize that if you didn't waste so much time forcing another community that isn't yours to fit you.

8bitgay · 2020-10-04T20:33:40+00:00

I thought non-binary meant being neither a man nor a woman.

It means that when it's time to show how you're unique and beyond that antiquated gender binary.

It doesn't mean that when you realize that not being a man/woman would lock you out of gay/lesbian sexuality and spaces.

8bitgay · 2021-02-08T23:14:19+00:00

Honestly in my opinion straight men shouldn't be welcomed on a sub called actuallesbians

What about if a transwoman who still identifies as a cis straight man goes to the sub while on her process of self discovery?

... No, I don't actually believe that, but they do. And the double standard is absurd to me. You can't both say that men are bad and not allowed in your space and that anyone can be a lesbian and be included in your space if they identify this way.

8bitgay · 2021-01-28T15:08:42+00:00

"People don't use their gender identity just to become a special minority, that isn't a thing"

but also

"I won't transition because then I'd be a white man and that's bad"

8bitgay · 2021-01-25T18:49:07+00:00

Caitlyn Jenner has had 6 kids with 3 different wives.

Isn't it funny how a transwoman was able to marry 3 different wives way before same-sex marriage was legal, way before lesbian women were able to marry other women? Almost like LGB experiences and fights are entirely tied to our sex.

8bitgay · 2020-11-07T04:38:16+00:00

I love the attention to detail, like the "woke homophobia" sign.

8bitgay · 2020-10-16T15:21:28+00:00

Person A: I hate how my version graph would not include girl dick because I am uncomfortable with dicks (as a trans girl). it seems shitty and exclusionary as hell. still heccing valid AF.

Person B: Well no it's not exclusionary at all, it's just preferences.

Oh, nice to see that transwomen get to have preferences. More than what they "allow" lesbians and gays.

I aint seeing any enbys here 👀

Transwomen are women! Lesbians are attracted to women! So if someone identifies as woman they are part of lesbian sexuality! Oh, but also don't forget the non-binary people who don't identify as women but you're also supposed to include them because we love making contradictory rules about other people's sex lives.

8bitgay · 2020-10-04T20:31:27+00:00

I mean, yeah, describing cock as God's greatest gift to gay men isn't far from truth. Probably the most reasonable thing said in the entire post, although it was meant as sarcasm.

I bet many lesbians and straight/bi men also find vaginas God's greatest gift. But of course you need to go after the group who isn't interested in it, uh?

And it's not sexism to acknowledge the opposite sex is hard to date. Sure gay/lesbian relationships have their own issues, but straight relationships are loaded with society's expectations and stereotypes. When I date another man we don't have to deal with expectations on how should men treat women or how should women treat men.

8bitgay · 2020-08-08T00:24:19+00:00

It's like the whole non-binary issue can be summed up as "we aren't male nor female, but also you need to include us in male/female spaces, and also gays and lesbians need to feel attracted to us".

8bitgay · 2021-02-08T03:59:52+00:00

I've said it before and I'll say it again: they know we can also buy dildos, right? If a gay guy wanna play with a plastic dick he can either do it by himself or have another guy (who also has a penis) do it for him. No need for transmen to be involved.

8bitgay · 2021-02-04T03:45:58+00:00

Going by that logic then bisexuals must be non-binary trapped in binary bodies or something.

8bitgay · 2021-01-24T02:33:25+00:00

and silicon instead

This one is funny because frankly even if lesbians were somehow jealous of big plastic boobs (and I'm definitely not saying they are) lesbians could just... get bigger plastic boobs too.

FtMs also say this, many of them say gay men are jealous of their plastic dicks, and like... They know gay men can buy dildos too, right? It's like they think dildos are this big secret that only transmen know about.

8bitgay · 2020-12-30T00:03:19+00:00

It's kinda weird since second person in English doesn't even include gender. If you're talking with somebody you wouldn't even use gendered words, you is neutral.

This is something I find weird about all those "she/her" and "he/him" profiles. It's like people think they're hot topics that everyone is talking about lol

8bitgay · 2020-12-01T17:52:01+00:00

Well, I had a good view of Ellen.

So, uh, does this means he will drop his future roles as female characters? And renounce everything he said about being lesbian? I mean, how can you come out as lesbian if apparently you were a straight man all along?

Frankly if this was just some random actress whatever, it's her life. But it's really disappointing coming from an actress that turned herself into a lesbian icon, that was upfront about her sexuality, but apparently he was never a woman, so also not a lesbian woman.

In a post where he mentions the words "trans" and "queer" multiple times, not once there is a mention of "lesbian" or "gay" - although these were the words Ellen used before, these were the communities she fought for. But apparently we were just stones to step on the way.

I wonder if her wife will now have to come out as bi/straight.

8bitgay · 2020-11-22T21:17:23+00:00

There's a comment there of a gay guy saying he doesn't agree, and then there's a reply saying the gay guy is acting like a cis het.

It really tempted me to point out the irony in using cis het as a criticism in a thread that is all about how cis het people are also part of the community.

8bitgay · 2020-09-11T22:59:41+00:00

go outside and meet real people

She says this yet her entire point is based on replicating stuff she heard online. If she went outside she'd see that lesbians still wanna have sex with female genitals.

8bitgay · 2020-09-03T16:01:30+00:00

Every single person who attends our GSA is AFAB. Every single one, and most are cis. Currently I'm the only man in attendance but even I am trans. Where are all the men?

Wait, so OP can acknowledge the difference between cis men and trans?

Comment A: Because everyone likes to shit on cis men and exclude them. They just don't feel welcomed when most people threaten violence against cis men. Just overgeneralizing the entire population of cis men.

Comment B: I've seen that happen a lot in the feminist collective at my university. At the beginning, the were 80% of AFAB people and all AMAB people were cis. At the end of the year, only lesbians and AFAB enbies stayed. I was somewhat respected because I was a trans guy, aka not-a-true-man

Gosh this is amazing, so close yet so far

8bitgay · 2020-08-29T12:55:56+00:00

It's funny because in gay spaces (where dick worship would be appropriate) you'll often see people complaining about phallocentrism lol

8bitgay · 2021-02-03T21:27:32+00:00

They really think like Not Like The Other Girls, right?

"All the other girls love being oppressed, following the stereotypes of patriarchy, and buying pretty dresses. But not me, so I'm obviously not a girl."

8bitgay · 2021-01-01T20:17:32+00:00

It'd be great if someone tried to outwoke them by pointing this out.

Instead of criticizing OP for roleplaying as a gay guy, criticize this instead. Claim that OP is a toxic masculine masc4masc that has internalized homophobia.

8bitgay · 2020-12-30T22:36:01+00:00

People create a space for men: "Transmen have to be part of it because it's about gender, not genitals! This is a space for men, not for people with dicks"

People create a space for people with dicks: "Transmen have to be part of it because if we are men then our genitals are male too!"

Also, a comment from OP on another thread

you have guys feeling like their worth has been judged by what is basically a goofy fleshworm that spews gooey fluids.

8bitgay · 2020-12-05T03:48:10+00:00

Especially as someone who used to identify as nonbinary and pansexual, and took a few years to realize that I was a lesbian and that there was space within womanhood for someone like me, masculine and GNC, that I could still belong... Every time a public figure I could kinda relate to comes out as trans/NB, it feels like the water around my ankles rises a little more.

[...] there are still lesbians, they’re just sometimes calling themselves ‘queer’ now. And some of them identify as non-binary.

has the gender ever really been this strict that it can’t accommodate women who aren’t girly girls?? Like can I reject the strict binary whilst also being and identifying as a woman?

Wait, what happened to ActualLesbians? Why are there so many reasonable comments? Why isn't everybody in this thread banned yet?

8bitgay · 2020-10-09T15:45:42+00:00

[A]s many straight women will tell you, penises usually aren’t that appealing.

Ah yeah, we're conditioned to like dick, no one would naturally feel attracted to it. And saying that dicks aren't appealing is surely a very relatable thing for gays, trust me. /s

It's funny that here the writer only shows his own bias and how he can't actually relate to gay/bi man as much as he wants to be one.

8bitgay · 2020-10-07T17:02:06+00:00

Friend, if you were straight you wouldn't be begging gay men for tips on how to deepthroat.

Reasonable comment. I mean, again: why come to gay men to ask this question? If that's such a straight relationship having straight sex this should have nothing to do with gay men, right?

There's always the chance this is just a troll, but still...

Nope, sexuality is based off secondary sexual characteristics, not primary ones. You don’t wait until you see the dick before you lust after a hottie.

I’m straight, because her face is pretty and I want to motorboat her tits. I don’t like how men’s bodies look.

Ah, yeah, yet again the "secondary sexual characteristics" argument. Maybe someone should warn flatchested women that now they're men, since apparently motorboattable chests are a requirement to be a woman.

If you dated a trans woman, are you still gay?

Using their same argument: you also don't wait until you know the gender the person identifies before you lust after a hottie. What if it's a hot person with a dick and you don't know that person identifies as transwoman?

8bitgay · 2020-09-05T12:58:35+00:00

But I have been told our entire story started with the transwomen at Stonewall! /s

8bitgay · 2020-08-27T02:40:42+00:00

You'd think that they'd support political lesbians, considering that they like non-lesbian lesbians so much.

8bitgay · 2020-08-17T14:53:42+00:00

A: leave gay men alone.

B: Leave trans gay men alone and maybe I might

A: we are ready to leave them alone and let them have their own community. Put your money where your mouth is, love.

B: But this is their community, they’re gay bros who happen to be trans. And judging by the comments on this post, y’all clearly aren’t ready to leave trans peeps alone. This isn’t cisgaybros, or transgaybros, it’s gay bros.

Gosh I love this exchange.

They should be honest and say that they what they really demand is sex. If trans men just wanna take part in discussions, they can. It's not like others can know which username is really gay or not. There are many straight and lesbian users in these gay subs, and you don't see them making threads about it. The reason why trans men demand so much to be included is not because they're being banned from discussions. It's because they want to not only be includeed in our groups and our discussions, but also in our sexual lives.

8bitgay · 2020-08-17T14:39:49+00:00

I have to write this because some people here felt threatened by a guy on the internet

So I guess whenever trans people feel rejected they should just assume that others are being sarcastic.

8bitgay · 2021-02-05T22:44:29+00:00

Yeah, it's almost funny that they say that the WLW community was never a place for lesbians. No one ever thought that communities that call themselves WLW/MLM would be spaces for actual lesbians/gay men lol

8bitgay · 2021-02-03T21:20:50+00:00

Do they realize they’re allowed to have LGB groups without being cunts about it?

No, we can't, otherwise they wouldn't try to get all LGB groups banned lol

Like, ok yeah you want a space where the only topic is sexuality, that’s great, make one, but don’t try erase trans people from the community.

"You're allowed to have LGB-only spaces, just remember you have to include T"

8bitgay · 2021-01-26T18:15:35+00:00

He doesn't want to be seen as a man... Yet he goes to a gay dating app to search for men who are into men. ok

Why isn't he looking for the pan men that TRAs love so much?

8bitgay · 2021-01-09T04:39:56+00:00

Gay and lesbian DO include trans people, and if you're attracted to non-binary people you're not gay and/or lesbian.

It's always funny when TRAs aren't updated to the wokest TRA views. You can probably be banned from ActualLesbians if you say lesbians aren't attracted to non-binary people.

Gay men have no business speaking on the sexuality of lesbians.

He said that after making the comment above mentioning lesbians

You're not a lesbian

And this was after the comment above

These were all comments made by the same person in the same train of comments. It's hilarious, he really can't decide if he can speak for lesbians or not.

Send me a message when ANYONE (cis or trans) is willing to fuck you and we can chat about trans discourse.

And it all ends with the incel tactic of "actually I wasn't into you anyway". Yeah, TRAs continuously demand attraction from gays/lesbians, continuously try to redefine our sexualities, continuously talk about their genitals in our spaces, continuously demand validation from you... But if you say anything about it suddenly they'll claim no one is interested in you.

8bitgay · 2021-01-03T23:23:46+00:00

This random comment reminded me of when some Twitter people were complaining that Tom of Finland was phallocentric and normative.

8bitgay · 2020-11-26T16:39:42+00:00

Threatening gays/lesbians, saying we should die, that we should be raped, etc.: fair game

Saying we wouldn't date someone: literally removes them from existence

8bitgay · 2020-11-24T17:06:53+00:00

"I have several, they're made of silicone" is such a weak response. They act like only FtM discovered dildoes exist. Meanwhile plenty of gay men out there have their silicone dildoes while also having their actual dicks.

And one of the few things I know about this show is that it was supposed to be gritty, and the gay characters often went through complex storylines and experienced homophobia. But the moment they introduce a FtM character it has to be a sanitized narrative that completely follows the protrans ideology.

It's also hilarious how they keep pressuring gay men to date them but when they face rejection suddenly it's "I can fuck any guy here, I don't need your cisgender ass". Truly like incels who say the girl who rejected them is ugly.

8bitgay · 2020-10-03T23:51:58+00:00

The "but what if a cis man loses his penis in an accident???" argument is so dumb.

Sure, he would still be a man! But yeah, like it or not he would become undesirable for most romantic/sexual partners. These people talk as if dickless cis men are walking around being sex symbols and people are only rejecting the poor transmen.

In fact, do they think we cis people are all sex hounds? We all get rejected, many of us are frustrated with our sex lives. Yet they act like they're the only ones that ever get rejected and that they're suffering the biggest oppression ever because of it.

Not to mention that losing your penis doesn't mean you'll suddenly get a vagina. It's like someone losing an arm in an accident. Losing an arm is not the same thing as an alien trying to pass as human while having tentacles in place of his arms.

8bitgay · 2020-10-02T23:41:55+00:00

I imagine it's a way to say you're special for being outside the gender binary but at the same time you are a woman so you get to use that cool lesbian title.

8bitgay · 2020-10-01T01:15:22+00:00

Right? I can almost hear someone saying in the distance "Nobody is calling you a genocide for not dating transmen!".

8bitgay · 2020-09-23T01:45:38+00:00

This tweet has some interesting discussions under it. Gotta admit it's amusing to see the people who are such big defenders of TQ+ in detriment of LGB being accused of transphobia.

8bitgay · 2020-08-07T17:58:56+00:00

Since when does not wanting to have sex with someone/not finding them attractive mean that you dislike them as a group?

Fair question.

because if someone states "I don't want to date/have sex with trans people" and don't reach any definitive conclusions other than "because they're trans" then that's generalizing that demographic.

you see a trans person you find extremely attractive and go "ah, they're trans, shame. If only they'd been cis I would've dated them" then it really begs the question "why does it matter?"

And of course that would be the answer. Generalizations are fine when it comes to attraction. I don't need to meet all women and I don't need to come with some big reasonings just to say I'm not attracted to women.

I also love the premise of "you see a trans person you find extremely attractive". Sorry, but that never happened.

8bitgay · 2021-02-17T03:37:02+00:00

If these lesbians all go to a new sub there won't be any "cis lesbian who centers lesbianism around cis women" left for them to complain. You'd imagine that since they're tired of it they'd like the split, but no.

8bitgay · 2021-02-14T14:07:43+00:00

Lol the whole prostrate thing is hilarious because I can definitely imagine transmen nowadays claiming they have prostrates too.

8bitgay · 2021-02-12T14:42:55+00:00

your forgetting bottom surgery and strap ons

Stop heterosplaining us, we didn't forget about these, we simply don't care about them.

Most of the transmen I know are objectively more masculine looking than I am... and I'm pretty much a muscle bear. All that testosterone really buffs them up and brings out the body hair.

Interesting that when gay guys are naturally masculine they're called masc4masc and problematic. But transmen being overly masculine because of hormones is seem as a quality.

8bitgay · 2021-02-12T04:10:31+00:00

If no is a full sentence, then accept it. Don't say you're fine with accepting rejection and then go on to make a long rant about how the other person was wrong in rejecting you.

Other than that, there's a lot to unpack in this rant but I'm tired.

8bitgay · 2021-02-03T21:29:24+00:00

I immediately thought of "not like the other girls" too, even made a comment about it before reading yours.

It's always funny when I think the same as another comment here before reading the other comment. It really shows how obvious some things are yet they pretend not to see.

8bitgay · 2021-02-02T04:41:29+00:00

They think they need to state that these people have periods because they think it'll come as a surprise.

But you know, except for the 2 bearded ones if I saw any of these people with clothes I'd just assume they're butch lesbians. It's no surprise that butch women have periods.

8bitgay · 2021-01-27T15:46:40+00:00

Yesterday I came across a post by a trans woman claiming to be a lesbian

So, is it fine to doubt that transwomen aren't real lesbians now?

8bitgay · 2021-01-25T21:45:52+00:00

It'd be hilarious if you posted them anyway and pretended that it is cis people saying these things. After your posts get popular enough you reveal who actually said those things.

8bitgay · 2021-01-22T04:11:48+00:00

Yeah, that. Even if you considered that transmen are just like cis men, the reality is still that there are more straight men than gay/bi men. And many gay/bi men are afraid of being open about their sexuality due to homophobia.

This is an issue we all pass as gay men. We simply have to accept that we have less dating options than straight people. It's interesting that they claim they are real gay men, but when confronted with an actual situation that gay men face they just genderhack their way out of it.

8bitgay · 2021-01-08T03:36:24+00:00

once the gender binary is abolished, the concept of gender based attraction wouldn't make sense anymore when there is no gender

Self-awarewolves?

I mean, you just said the answer yourself. You can't base attraction on gender, especially with how quickly TRAs change the concepts of gender. Also gender stereotypes vary a lot based on culture and times. So instead you can base it on, you know, sex.

8bitgay · 2021-01-05T15:37:27+00:00

No, you don't have to justify your reasons, but if your reasons could be bigoted, you may want to take the time to unpack them.

I wonder if they realize how gaslighting they are. You can't say "you don't need to justify your reasons" and then go on to say how your reasons are bad and you have to unpack them.

If you are excluding an entire group of people, based solely on their membership in that group, you are bigoted. Reasons matter.

If not dating someone actually means being bigoted, then what you're doing is just making the word "bigoted" lighter. Also come on, this person is all over the thread claiming that preferences are bad and people's reasons are bad, but then they go to say "you don't have to justify your reasons".

8bitgay · 2021-01-03T15:15:00+00:00

Honestly I’d love to see my genes now after hearing about this, seems like it would be really interesting and it might clear up some stuff for me

See this comment for example.

These people are already guessing they have rare chromosome anomalies lol I wonder if this will be the next self-diagnosed trend.

8bitgay · 2021-01-01T02:15:53+00:00

I find the modern crusade against gatekeeping (not just in this context) hilarious, considering we're also in the age of accusing things of being cultural appropriation.

8bitgay · 2020-12-26T03:58:21+00:00

TRAs making homophobic and even violent tweets: allowed

Sharing these tweets so people can't deny they exist: not allowed

8bitgay · 2020-12-26T00:26:10+00:00

73% upvoted, only 4 comments. Funny how there's no swarm of people saying she's valid, uh?

8bitgay · 2020-11-29T20:40:13+00:00

There's this idea that only people of a certain minority can reclaim a slur used towards that minority.

In that context, when a transman who claims to be gay uses homophobic slurs, it's like saying "I can use these words because I'm gay". When they keep using these slurs and nobody calls them out, it's like the people around them are supporting their idea that they're a real gay man.

At the same time, it serves as a way to be offensive towards actual gay men. And if these gay complain about being called homophobic slurs, well, you can call them transphobes for it.

So for them it's killing two birds with one stone.

8bitgay · 2020-11-27T21:40:44+00:00

I mean, I guess the last tweet said it all. Probably Buck gets more dicks - but not gay dicks.

8bitgay · 2020-11-21T02:58:05+00:00

It's kinda funny how quickly their narrative changes so they keep contradicting themselves. One day it's "some men don't have dicks", the other day it's "actually my genital is a dick too".

8bitgay · 2020-10-17T01:57:40+00:00

I love how misgendering is super offensive because gender is something so personal... yet you keep seeing posts of people asking for community help to brainstorm their gender because they have no idea themselves.
This person actively wants to "confuse the cis/straights" but when they actually get "confused" and call her a girl, she finds it offensive. OK.

8bitgay · 2020-09-26T12:48:16+00:00

The thing though is that non-binary people never follow their own rules.

"Gay people feel attracted to all men, not to dicks!" they say, implying that gay men should feel attracted to anyone who identifies as a man. And then the non-binaries go to gay dating apps and demand that gay men date them, even though they clearly don't identify as a man.

8bitgay · 2020-09-17T17:57:33+00:00

A common argument I see is that trans people can be gay/lesbian too, so while they can have trans-only space, a transgay would fit a gay-only space and a translesbian would fit a lesbian-only space.

I've also seen the point of "this is a gay space, not a cis gay space!!!", but of course if we started creating spaces that were explicitly cis gay only they would complain about it too.

8bitgay · 2020-09-14T14:08:22+00:00

TQ+: you can't use the word homosexual, but it's because we worry about you! The homo- prefix is overly scientific, the -sexual part oversexualizes you, and the word structure is related to viewing it as a disease!

Also TQ+: so let's talk about bisexuals, pansexuals and heterosexuals. Also let's use scientific prefixes cis- and trans-.

8bitgay · 2020-09-12T01:57:58+00:00

It's weird because at the same the TQ+ narrative sexualize us (after all the whole narrative is aimed at making gays/lesbians having sex with them), but they're so non-sexual.

Everybody who has had sex knows how relevant genitals are. Gay men who are more sexually active might have went to glory holes for example. How can you say a genital is irrelevant at a glory hole, when the only thing you're getting from the other person is the genital?

8bitgay · 2020-09-06T15:12:21+00:00

“about members of random groups dressing up as the opposite gender in a general way that has the intention of being as funny as possible”.

... isn't this how drag queens always are? Do they ban RuPaul's Drag Race from being watched there too?

I don't even like drag queens, but it's amazing how the TRA thinks everything is about them.

8bitgay · 2020-09-03T02:15:13+00:00

I mean, nobody is stopping you from making an app only for transpeople and people who are OK with dating transpeople. Make a pan app, I dunno. I think this is a time the pansexual label would be valid, to identify people who feel attracted to trans.

That is the weird thing, they might say "I just want to live" but somehow having sex with gays and lesbians is part of just living? I mean, lots of gay men have trouble finding dates, finding love, having sex, etc., it isn't easy for anyone. But when it comes to transpeople not only they think it should be easy, they also think it should be a basic right.

8bitgay · 2020-09-02T15:07:41+00:00

Sexuality is mainly based on secondary sexual characteristics, we are usually attracted to somebody long before we know which genitals they have.

It's funny because according to this idea gay men can be attracted to transmen who take hormones to emulate characteristics like beard and body hair, but gay men can't be attracted to actual cis guys who shave their facial/body hair.

8bitgay · 2020-08-30T06:04:29+00:00

I find it funny how they can't decide if the pro-gay/lesbian people are:

gay/lesbian because we're the worst and we aren't oppressed anymore and gays/lesbians are transphobic and oppress the poor TQ+
all straight people in disguise because no LGBTQ+ person would ever disagree with trans people for any reason

8bitgay · 2020-08-20T14:43:53+00:00

Oh gosh but the scale of the figures is just hilarious. For 1 they went with a 50s New Look style with long hair, and started making her more square-shaped until 3. Then 4 just loses the hair and 5 gets a cap.

For men they didn't know how to represent masculinity... So they just went with the body from 12 to 8, until suddenly in 7 his arms get weird but then 6 is the same.

8bitgay · 2020-08-19T19:31:24+00:00

Jacob Tobia and Alok Vaid-Menon are femme nonbinary icons. But that won't get them dates, and the reasons why speak volumes about our discomfort with those who exist between genders.

I'm getting repetitive, but gosh they contradict themselves so much.

Their definition of being gay, lesbian, bisexual or straight all exclude non-binary people, at least in theory. According to them, gay men feel attraction to everyone who identify as men (including trans men in their view). Their definitions of lesbian/bisexual/straight follow the same pattern.

By their own definition, non-binary people aren't men/women. Even if they claim to sometimes identify as men/women, it still means they aren't men/women. If someone identifies as male 90% at the time, how could I date that person? Should I ignore them during that 10% of time they identify as non-male? By their own definition, as a gay man, if I dated someone who don't identify as man 100% of the time I'm invalidating their gender identity.

The supposedly femme-friendly gay guy they'd been hanging out with for weeks told them he didn't end up reciprocating their crush.

Here, for example. For all we know the gay guy in question might be dating lots of feminine men. But somehow he needs to date someone who doesn't identify as man? This isn't being unfriendly to feminine people, this is following your own sexuality, and by their own rules on top of that!

"OMG, I'm going to switch my gender to 'woman' too so I can look at straight guys!" / I personally felt that dating straight-identified men was the right choice. / "Straight boys are soooo cuuuute," Alok said as they and Jacob started swiping

Funny how they never thought about trying to go for other non-binary and pansexual people. Totally fine for them to have their preferences, it seems.

Instead, what I learned during the social experiment that followed is that Jacob and Alok, like many gender nonconforming femmes, live in a world where admirers applaud them for their radical politics on social media, and people they're attracted to associate with them because of their slayworthiness and social capital, but refuse to make love to them, or at least fuck them well.

This here is just amazing. So what they're saying is that these people are already admired and respected. So what they're looking for is not to be respected - they're demanding sex, and in a very clear, incel-like way.

Thanks for sharing this article. I think this is a valuable answer for when people say things like "no one is demanding sex, we just want to be respected".

8bitgay · 2020-08-15T00:07:56+00:00

I'm a centrist and it doesn't make me less gay.

I mean, this is the community that is full of straight people who call themselves queer. They have to associate politics and personality with sexuality, because otherwise they'd have to admit they're just regular straight people.

8bitgay · 2020-08-09T02:40:21+00:00

Holy balls I needed this. Nonbinary here

Interesting how someone who identifies as nonbinary (so neither man nor woman in theory) needs to be reaffirmed as a manly man.

8bitgay · 2021-02-13T15:18:47+00:00

I mean, if gay men wanted to see straight porn just to look at the men they could just watch regular straight porn instead. Many more options too.

8bitgay · 2021-02-02T22:39:54+00:00

"no one actually says ...", "no one is telling you to ...", and any other variants.

They're manipulative sentences that people always use to pretend that they didn't just say what they just said.

8bitgay · 2021-01-27T15:44:16+00:00

Not a single argument, but I find it interesting how often TRAs contradict each other. For example:

In our LGB definition sexuality depends on sex. Gay men want men of the male sex.

For them, initially, gender is all. The way you identify is the most important thing and defines also your placement in relation to people's sexualities. So if you identify as man, you're a man. In this definition, gay men want men - and everyone who identifies as man fits this.

This leaves large gaps in a TRA mindset, but maybe the largest gap has the non-binary shape. After all, non-binary people (and other neo-gender identities) don't identify as man. So now gay men want masculinity - everyone who performs masculinity fits this, regardless of identifying as man.

Obviously this invalidates men who aren't masculine enough. Ironically, it even invalidates non-masculine transmen.

There are more versions of this "gay men don't feel attracted to genitals, they actually feel attracted to X" argument, and they all keep contradicting each other. But these 2 are the ones I remember right now. Feel free to reply adding more of these arguments that you might have heard!

8bitgay · 2021-01-25T15:26:37+00:00

Well, maybe this will finally peak those gay/bi guys on twitter that are perfectly fine with homophobia but go mad when their pop divas receive any minor criticism.

8bitgay · 2021-01-22T23:21:21+00:00

It's really interesting, right? People can make gender identity and sexuality so malleable. Someone who is not a woman can identify as lesbian. At the same time, people can also make these labels very specific. So someone who is just a regular straight woman will claim she's actually she's actually a greysexual demiboy. Every definition is valid.

But the moment a guy says he's only into men with dicks, or a girl says she's only into women with vaginas? Oh no, that is unacceptable. For them the definitions of gay/lesbian aren't malleable enough to fit actual homosexual people, and there aren't specific labels to accomodate us because our sexuality isn't valid.

8bitgay · 2021-01-08T15:26:17+00:00

I think most of these men are probably just looking for a vent for their homosexual desires. And after years of being told by society that man + man = bad, it's easier for them to fulfill these desires if they come with a feminine figure.

8bitgay · 2021-01-01T02:28:18+00:00

It's funny when they hide or ban all LGB people who disagree and then go saying "the people who claim to be LGB are just straight homophobes pretending to be gay!".

It's even funnier how they say it one moment but the next one they accuse cis gay men of being racist, sexist, transphobic, etc.

I mean, choose a line!

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