If you don't want to suck dick, you're not a lesbian. by Elvira95 in LGBDropTheT

[–]MezozoicGay 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Sexuality" is a desire.

Only if you change meaning of word "desire" to mean something else. In modern day of post-modernism everyone is just changing old words to mean something they want them to mean.

Also, does this mean that homosexuality just don't exist and it is just a preference, a kink?

They do not have the mental capacity to desire something, let alone have a goal. They do anything that's in their way.

They do have mental capacity to undestand a lot of things, they even have morality. Humans are not that special, don't be religious.

Other species do not have "sexualities".

And yet we see homosexual primates, birds, cats and other animals, who are refusing to mate with opposite sex even if they "are on heat" and only want to mate with same sex. Female bonobo even have tribadism among their lesbians, who only want to have sex with other females. If sexuality did not exist, we would not be observing such behaviour in animals and animals would not care with whom they have sex, and yet they do.

The entire point of "born this way" was so homophobes pity openly gay people.

No. It never was. It is just stating the fact. I was born gay, so deal with it.

Does saying "I was born black" is to get open pity from white people? You are making no sense.

That's not the same as sex and height that can not change and one can not choose.

It is same, as we can't chose it. Your own bisexual experience is just your own and it is different to experience of homosexual people. Yet you are calling that "you have chosen to be homosexual" and then "bi"explaining homosexuality to homosexual people and saying that our whole life of experience is just wrong and we actually never had it, but you know better. Just same way as transwomen mansplaining to women what it is to be a woman and how they have chosen to be one.

And you want "sexuality" to be innate so people who have a different view on "sexuality" be labelled as "bigots", as though they are on the same level of "racists".

If my opponents hate something or want something, it does not mean that I love that something and want opposite to what they want.

I am just saying how it is. Why can't I say who I am? I was born gay and it is okay. Does woman caon only be saying that she was born woman only to oppose wokes who are saying that you are chosing to be woman and not being born as one? Obviously no. Same with saying about homosexuality.

Other question is why you so desperately want to be included in group you are not part of and group experience of whom you do not understand? And why do you want to "explain" them how their experience is wrong? If all of them have different experience to yours, maybe you shouldn't apply it to everybody, like your own experience is universal? Don't be so narcissistic.

Also, how exactly society is pushing to be gay? Especially somewhere like in Iran or Taliban, where you will be tortured and then killed for it, for example? Are homosexual people there just liking extreme pain and don't value their own lives?

If you don't want to suck dick, you're not a lesbian. by Elvira95 in LGBDropTheT

[–]MezozoicGay 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Looks like.

Thought it is weird that she has upvotes, last time I was active on this sub half a year ago, such views weren't supported. Seems a lot of has changed since.

If you don't want to suck dick, you're not a lesbian. by Elvira95 in LGBDropTheT

[–]MezozoicGay 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The fact that you don't believe something is not making it reality. Gender activists are believing that sex is something that can be changed and that it is a choice. How their belief is different to yours? Experiments so far showing that sexuality is immutable, like sex. Sexuality is not influenced by culture, because it exist in animal kingdom as well and it exist even in primitive human tribes. It isn't subjective - it is observable. Homosexuality is not a desire, it is sexuality.

The label "bisexual" wouldn't work on me.

It does, you was able to feel something towards men. This means that it is two sexes you was attracted. Two sexes is bisexuality. If bisexual man is in lifelong relationship with a woman it does not mean that he is straight now, it means that he is bisexual but have chosen to live with a woman and be attracted to women.

and have done their best to turn off any feeling toward the opposite sex.

Which means it is something you do. Sexuality is not something you do, sexuality is something you are. Being transgender is something you do as well and not something you are. So camparing them how you are framing them - is valid.

And same as transwomen do not understand women and their experience - you don't understand our experience. And at same time you are trying to talk over us and over our experience, like you know better what we feel and live through - just like transwomen doing to women. It is a bad practice to act so narcissistically.

it SOUNDS LIKE

It's "born this way" that was used to send the message, "we couldn't have possibly helped ourselves" as though "gay" is an illness you wouldn't choose if you could.

So again, is being born woman or a man is "we couldn't have possibly helped ourselves" as thought being "man" or "woman" is an illness you wouldn't chose if you could? What about height? What about color of eyes? It just makes no sense. Is it SOUNDS LIKE that? You said that phrasing itself sounds like that.

It is. I do the opposite of what homophobes want. They want people to choose the "straight" lifestyle. I don't. That's a slap in their face.

They want sexuality to be a choice and not something innate, they don't want to believe it is something that people just are. Because then they are the bigots and they are on a level of racists, as they are hating someone for their innate qualities.

If you don't want to suck dick, you're not a lesbian. by Elvira95 in LGBDropTheT

[–]MezozoicGay 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, it sounds like something that we can't change and that something that we are. That's it.

Does "I was born a woman and it can not be changed" sounds misogynistic, like something that you would never wanted to be? If no, then why saying the same about being born gay - is homophobic?

While what you are saying is like saying "I was a man before, but I chose to be a woman and now I am a woman and I understand how to be woman and there no difference as we act same way anyways". When no, it is not the case. That is one of reasons why some bisexual people are not liked by homosexual people - because they think they can speak for us and can speak on how it works for everyone else, for some reason they think that all people are bisexual.

And no, it is not indirect slap in the faces of homophobes, in place where I lived such bisexual people were praised by homophobes and set as example to homosexual people that it is possible to change sexuality and this means that we chosen to be gay - so there no reason to not put us in prison, because it was our choice to go against the law.

If you don't want to suck dick, you're not a lesbian. by Elvira95 in LGBDropTheT

[–]MezozoicGay 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So you are saying you can change your sexuality? That sounds pretty homophobic.

You shouldn't be projecting your experience on all homosexual people, because we never had any attraction to opposite sex, and never will be able to. Saying that it was our choice means we could chose to be heterosexual, yet conversion therapy never worked - even for people who really wanted to become straight.

Has anyone debunked the claims that gay men are "feminine" and have "lady brains", and gay women are "masculine" and have "manly brains"? by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

[–]MezozoicGay 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Most claims you have linked are all about social culture and they are depending on social surroundings.

Brain studies are showing that male and female brains are almost identical, but they are neuroplastic.

At the same time gay men and straight women are having same sexual response in brain and reacting on hot men in same way. However, people who very love strawberries are reacting on pictures of them in same way as well. So it is not saying much, just that homosexual attraction is real and can be measured/tested. It is not saying that our brains are same as women brains, just that hetero women attracted to men and we are attracted to men as well.

Same-sex sexual desire as the natural, but not actualised, default (criticism of sexuality) by SexualityCritical in GCdebatesQT

[–]MezozoicGay 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All those stupid masochistic gays in Iran are chosing to be tortured and murdered! They could just chose to like women, but nope, they are so stupid that chosing death instead.

Same-sex sexual desire as the natural, but not actualised, default (criticism of sexuality) by SexualityCritical in GCdebatesQT

[–]MezozoicGay 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If one grows up in an isolated chamber, and has no contact with anyone else, they'll never develop any kind of sexual feelings. Sexuality exists solely in a social context.

No, sexuality is not social, but biological. If heterosexual man was in an isolated chamber since birth for 30 years and then released into the world, that man will be attracted to women and will be aroused by women. If same will happen with homosexual man - he will be attracted to men and will be aroused by men. You can't learn sexuality and you can't chose who you are attracted to. The only way to "overcome" sexuality is strong mental disorders, a lot of sexual abuse and/or strong paraphilias.

So, how is sexuality not a choice?

At first you said that "sexual act is a choice" and then equated sexual act with sexuality. Those are different things. Your sexuality exist even without any sexual acts. If you are a man who is attracted to women, but had no sex you are not "asexual", you are still heterosexual man. If lesbian was "correctivelly raped" by men, and it is her only sexual experience - with men, she is not becoming heterosexual, she is still homosexual, she is still lesbian, even thought she only had sex with men. Sexual act is not sexuality.

I don't consider sexuality to be real, a scientific phenomenon, but something society has made up.

It is not stopping to exist because someone believes in it or not. Sexuality exist for all humans and animals.

Post-modernism is just a philosophy, not a reality. You can't change reality by renaming something or thinking about something in a different way.

Just because someone can be sexually attracted to both sexes doesn't mean they are. They can still choose to be exclusively interested in one sex.

If bisexual marries someone and spend whole life with them, they are still bisexual, even thought they only had sex with their partner whole life. However, they still can be attracted to both sexes - when heterosexual and homosexual people can't. Even if gay man or lesbian will want to be with opposite sex, will really like that person and will want to spend life together - they will not be able to get sexually attracted and aroused by that person anyways. They just can't to chose to like opposite sex, regardless of how they personally want - their body will not listen. And it is not possible at all to start liking opposite sex sexually for homosexual people. Same for heterosexual people but about their own sex. If it was possible, I'd most likely would be heterosexual already, same as gay men and lesbians in Iran, who are murdered because they just can't love opposite sex, even after tortures and even in fear of death. It is just not possible to change your sexuality.

You are failing to understand that other people have different experience and that if you are bisexual that does not mean everyone is bisexual.

Women believing in "misandry" are worse than women believing in "transphobia" by censorshipment in GenderCritical

[–]MezozoicGay 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

That is some sexist bullshit. Like - almost whole list is just lies.

Statistically women are rejected more often then we are, women are doing much more than we are to impress men, they conform even more than men.

And "Need success" is funny part. Women are not allowed to success and society want them to fail, while men are pushed to success. There is huge different between "failed to success on a midway" and "tried to success but was not even allowed, so much lower than failed man".

I liked the "men suffer more pain" as well, considering women having cramps, periods, pregnancy, have much more fragile bodies.

Labor? Yes, men do paid labor, while women are doing unpaid labor at home, mostly for men, and doing that A LOT.

Some things like "have more or less hair" is very subjective and weird things in a list - some people will think the opposite of you and think that more hair is worse.

Plus you are mostly naming social things, not biological.

allowed to be lazy if they want

This one is my favourite. Women getting murdered if they are being lazy in their unpaid labor - and during lockdown those cases trippled. On jobs it is often required more from women and they are paid for more work less income - on average.

Like, wtf are you even talking about. Have you ever interracted with women? Have you ever seen poor people?

We, as men, should realistically look at the situation and we should try fixing our issues, because ALL our issues are inflicted by other men or by ourselves.

My ex-boyfriend, who went full misogyny and the transitioned to transwoman because of the homophobia around, was speaking almost same as you, thought he was saying that he is better than women, as combining "best of both worlds". This makes me feel that you are either transwoman or incel.

Sorry for going personal here, but this is just absurd.

Women believing in "misandry" are worse than women believing in "transphobia" by censorshipment in GenderCritical

[–]MezozoicGay 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Being different does not mean being miserable.

<shrugging emoji>

Women believing in "misandry" are worse than women believing in "transphobia" by censorshipment in GenderCritical

[–]MezozoicGay 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Men have around 20-30% faster metabolism, faster oxygenization of blood and body, bigger hearts and lungs (if same size and weight as women), faster blood delivery (while women can deliver more blood, just not as fast - I suppose for pregnancy), bigger percentage of red blood cells and faster regeneration and faster life-cycles of cells.

This means that body is oxidizing faster, cells are using chromosomal resource faster.

Only those facts are enough for us to die faster than women. And then we add low payment jobs/military which are exhausing body even faster, bigger risk of heart diseases because of bigger hearts, male on male violence - and we will get number even lower.

Everything else by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]MezozoicGay 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Huh, I've never heard of such use of word "flaming". Seems it was locally North American.

Ellen Page on the cover of TIME. She just looks like a butch lesbian. by socialistrobot in LGBDropTheT

[–]MezozoicGay 14 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

So she did double mastectomy or only planning on it? That's pretty sad. And she is saying she was in very deep anxiety and depression because of being lesbian and "not like others", that society is very unfair to woman and because of that she always wanted to be a boy. Sounds like both internalized homophobia and misogyny. Then she saying that being without support during lockdown oppened her eyes that she is a trans. Kids, remember: thinking too much is dangerous. Now she received lovebombing, more support and instantly things that people refused to help wher with are now helping her and she got extra privileges. It is pretty sad that a lesbian will be denied and only "converting to straight man" will let that lesbian to become socially accepted.

And even after all this - she still looks like a woman.

All of these Trans claims are juvenile arguments: what is this called? by our_team_is_winning in LGBDropTheT

[–]MezozoicGay 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Trans people also extremely high rates of mental illness. Of course none of this is PC to point out.

It is common to people with one paraphilia to have other paraphilias or mental illnesses, and for people with one mental illness to develop few more if they are not given care or treatment.

I hate censorship. by ArthnoldManacatsaman in LGBDropTheT

[–]MezozoicGay 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He was banned for same that he was using as justification to ban other people and now he is angry?

Interesting how he is saying that "Sitewide Rules / Content Policy Enforcement on Reddit is utterly and completely broken" - which is true, but he says that it is broken not because it can be abused to silence people and is used by transgenders to silence LGB people, instead he is saying that it is broken because it can be abused against anyone and not only against people he see as enemies.

Comments there are golden and so self-reflective: https://i.imgur.com/qKetq1I.png

They brigade other subreddits, mass reporting people they disagree for nothing, and then they are angry when their hateful comments being reported by random people.

Polling from 13 States Reveals Widespread Disapproval of “Gender Identity” Policies — Women's Liberation Front by BiologyIsReal in GenderCritical

[–]MezozoicGay 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There was UK poll, I don't remember exact numbers, but there were something like 60-70% of people supported "transwomen in women's spaces" and in same poll when it was specified "transwomen before surgeries" - only 10-15% supported.

Most people just do not know that between 92% and 96% of transwomen are never doing any surgeries on genitals, and around 70-75% are not even being heavily on cross-sex hormones.

Most people are thinking that it is all about transsexuals, who just want to silently live and blend in crowd.

LGBT Identification Rises to 5.6% of the US Population in Latest Estimate (Lesbians are decreasing % wise, while B & T are increasing) by BEB in LGBDropTheT

[–]MezozoicGay 25 insightful - 9 fun25 insightful - 8 fun26 insightful - 9 fun -  (0 children)

all about them

Today there much more straight people in LGBT movement than homosexual and bisexual combined.

While Stonewall is keeping on adding new "most oppressed groups": https://twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1363843446616719363

Today "aromantics" are the most oppressed, aromantics are people who can have lots of sexual activity, but are not creating any romantic bonds. As someone noted in comments: "people who dump others after 1 night, serial rapists and maniacs - are all more oppressed than lesbians and gays in Stonewall eyes".

LGBT Identification Rises to 5.6% of the US Population in Latest Estimate (Lesbians are decreasing % wise, while B & T are increasing) by BEB in LGBDropTheT

[–]MezozoicGay 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In that report it is stated that almost all bisexuals in poll are in heterosexual relationship and never had homosexual relationship, while in previous years it was not the case and bisexuals often had homosexual relationship or were in one.

GC: What are the definitions of male and female? How would intersex people fit into binary sex? And is calling the intersex condition a disorder (of sexual development) discriminatory towards intersex people? by Tea_Or_Coffee in GCdebatesQT

[–]MezozoicGay 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why are you asking the very same (okay, this time it is more homophobic than usual) question without changes every few weeks and then ignoring all the answers?

UK domestic violence charity loses council funding after trans complaints (Vancouver Rape Relief Part II?) by BEB in GenderCritical

[–]MezozoicGay 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Vancouver Rape Shelter defunding was my last point into completely trans peaking.

And now this.

This movement is way too much focused on anti-women actions and on anti-safeguarding of kids. This movement is propagating of abolishing prisons and "family unit", in Canada proposed to remove sex offender registry, advocating for males in female sports, violently attacking safe spaces of women - rape crisis centers and domestic violence shelters and charities, advocating to remove sex-based rights and protections from laws, promoting anti-safeguarding practices in schools and colleges. It looks like all they are doing is to make women and kids defenseless against rapists and male abusers (which looks like most of them trully are).

GC: Is sexual attraction only based on genitals, or is there more to sexual attraction (e.g. attraction to secondary sexual characteristics, "femininity", "masculinity", etc)? by Not_a_celebrity in GCdebatesQT

[–]MezozoicGay 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

People with PMDS are clearly and fully men, nothign strange there. There is no spectrum there, there no cases and can not be cases of both systems working. They are built from same tissue and initial hormones making them mutually exclusive, it is not possible for both working. So that person is producing sperm or can produce and is not producing ova and can not produce ova. Metallic bone-implant is not making human a robot.

PAIS and MAIS are easy to determine, and they are almost always clearly males, almost always infertile (thought PAIS are often looking like women, so growing up and perceived as women). CAIS cases are more difficult, but they are too rare to study, as they are occuring only in 0,000025-0,0000025% of population, or just around 15-17 thousand people in a whole world have such condition, so in one randomly picked country there may be only 5-50 people with it of all ages. Most of them are not diagnosed. In general their bodies are not developed to support any gamete, while they were supposedely to be built to support male gamete, yet mechanisms in organism broke and so nothing was built. Their bodies are very close to female bodies, except some skeletal differences and lack of reproductive system, so they are just going in the world as women. We know exactly what is not working and why they are like they are, as we know how sexual development should go and can predict how it will go if something not working. Their condition still not proves nor disproves anything, as they have very-very rare disorder in sexual development, same as there are people born without hands - it does not make human hands "on a spectrum", so I am still missing the point of discussing them at all. And I am missing the point on finding out are they males or females. Those people deserve love and often need medical help and acceptance, not being used as "gotcha" to prove that "there people who are less or more males/females!", which leads to othering and hurts them. And I am missing the point on discussing them in relation to transgender people - even if "they are different sex", this does not prove that someone born male can become female.

GC: Is sexual attraction only based on genitals, or is there more to sexual attraction (e.g. attraction to secondary sexual characteristics, "femininity", "masculinity", etc)? by Not_a_celebrity in GCdebatesQT

[–]MezozoicGay 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've re-read this message few times and still can't understand what you want to say.

And how exactly persistent müllerian duct syndrome is against it? Body is aimed to support small movable gametes. There are non-functional leftovers of female reproductive system, indeed, but they are not making that person to produce or support big immovable gametes at all. Most of them can father a child. They are same men as me or Schwarzenegger, not "less men on spectrum".

GC: Is sexual attraction only based on genitals, or is there more to sexual attraction (e.g. attraction to secondary sexual characteristics, "femininity", "masculinity", etc)? by Not_a_celebrity in GCdebatesQT

[–]MezozoicGay 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Then you are misusing word "spectrum". Spectrum means that there is some range either between few different points - 3-4-5 gametes, or that one end is slowly becoming other end, so it starts with "Male", then goes "less male", goes less and less, until meets center with "same male and female" and then goes "more female" until ends in "female", and same if go reversed.

What you are saying is that "secondary sex characteristics can be on spectrum", and yes, they can - men are taller than women, but there can be man who is shorter than most women (DeVito, with 143 cm height), it still does not make him less of a man. There can be towering 2 meter tall woman, and it not makes her more of a man, or less of a woman. They are all still men or women in all their diversity. Sex binary is very inclusive and removes all prejudices, because every man is a man, regardless of anything else, opposite view creates "correct man" or "correct woman" images. Intersex people are men or women as well in all their diversity. Being different in one or few aspects from "an average" or "typical" is not making you lesser of that something. My face and body features are very feminine-looking, with very little body hair, yet it not makes me less man than Schwarzenegger.

GC: Is sexual attraction only based on genitals, or is there more to sexual attraction (e.g. attraction to secondary sexual characteristics, "femininity", "masculinity", etc)? by Not_a_celebrity in GCdebatesQT

[–]MezozoicGay 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is where the conception of "biological sex as a spectrum" does come from.

And it makes no sense, because in every single case body is still aimed to support one or another gamete. We are not magically producing third gamete, or gamete that is "on spectrum".

Short man is not becoming a woman or "in-between sexes", infertile woman is not becoming a man.

Dysfunction of one or few of the many systems is not cancelling the rest of them, not cancelling where oganism is aiming to develop or was aimed to be developed before was stopped by either problems in development or outter factors like surgery or car crash. Especially when those disfunctions are happening so rarely and in a such small minority of people, that their amount in percents is below statistical margin of error.

And again, even intersex conditions are almost all sex specific (only few are affecting both sexes, but often one sex is strongly affected, while other sex is just carrier to future generations). And again - on 10-11th week of a baby we already know will baby be male or female, before the genitals even appear.

GC: Male pregnancy blurs the line between male and female. But do the males of other species really get pregnant? And how come gametes and sex organs are put into categories of male and female? by ImageNotUploaded in GCdebatesQT

[–]MezozoicGay 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

About afterbirth - I textually translated our word, but I think it would sounds like "Aftergivingbirth" if to be very precise. We don't differentiate between leaves and vacations, there only one word for them all, so they are all just vacations to me, and it can be hard to understand the difference because of unspoken connotations sticked to words (there is word "leave" but it means the very last vacation, either before changing job or death). Many our words are just combined few words together, so sometimens it is hard to translate. Especially when translating words about female biology or what were typically female actions before - as nowadays there is such a mess even in online-dictionaries because of this post-modernistic ideology and women-related words erasure.

GC: Is sexual attraction only based on genitals, or is there more to sexual attraction (e.g. attraction to secondary sexual characteristics, "femininity", "masculinity", etc)? by Not_a_celebrity in GCdebatesQT

[–]MezozoicGay 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

what singular anatomical feature or biological process is then the sole determiner in all existing cases?

Why there should be a singular one? There a lot of biological processes, that are starting in womb that are determening sex and which are making people of different sex have different processes in the future. You know that we can determine if kid is male or female (and even predict most intersex conditions) by just mothers blood test and ultrasound when kid is just a foetus in mother's womb and only 10-11 weeks old? Changes are already noticeable, long before birth.

If you mean not just process, but factor, the definition - there is exactly one such factor - development of body to support one or another gamete type. That feature is so universal, that it works for determening sex for every single mammal and multicellular living organism, even when their chromosomes are exactly the same (Turtles, where sex depends on temperature of the egg, as example) or different from humans. That is why we know that it is male Seahorses, who are carrying eggs after being produced by female and fertilized by male. That is how we know when Clownfish have male and female function and when they change it. It is so simple and covers every single case, that it is unclear how it can be an object of discussion at all.

GC: Male pregnancy blurs the line between male and female. But do the males of other species really get pregnant? And how come gametes and sex organs are put into categories of male and female? by ImageNotUploaded in GCdebatesQT

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I had no idea how it called in English, sorry. I only saw it called as "maternity leave" in the internet, regardless of who was taking the leave, and those were used by parenting organizaions. I afraid I saw newspeak of gender ideologists then.

For me it is somewhat hard to operate in English - as in my language there no word "parent" or "mother" or "fater" used at all in it, it is called something like "Leave to take care about newborn and growing up child" (but obviously much shorter with word conjunctions, which are not possible in English) and it lasts 3 years, first 6 months are fully paid, rest are paid with some lower percent, and work place is held for the person when they return. There is "afterbirth vacation" for mother, which lasts up to 3 months (most often just 1-2 months), and is fully paid (with average monthly income of her) as well. Goverment is covering majority of expenses and if needed providing specialist or money to teach new specialist if needed to replace parent taking long leave for the time of their abscense, and this time is counted as "work time" to Pension Fond and as quailification experience. Both parents can take leave, but goverment will protect work spot and pay for only one of parents.

How should I call it instead? Just "extended parental leave", as you said?

GC: Male pregnancy blurs the line between male and female. But do the males of other species really get pregnant? And how come gametes and sex organs are put into categories of male and female? by ImageNotUploaded in GCdebatesQT

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No it’s not. Even in the case of sea horses, they carry eggs they receive from the female in a pouch. They do not supply the eggs with nutrients. They simply carry them. When I carry my cat, I am not pregnant with a cat. A seahorse is not pregnant.

On my current job we have two fathers who took extended parental leave, because their wifes have better jobs with bigger income.

So it is the same thing, male Seahorses are just taking extended parental leave to take care about kids until they can swim on their own.

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I think I remember this report, it had a lot of issues in it, I just don't remember what was there.

And it is only surveys, thought.

the surveys have found that men and women had a similar 12-month prevalence of nonconsensual sex (i.e., 1.9 million women and 1.9 million men were raped or made to penetrate in 2011 data)

There was greater divergence by sex in lifetime reports. In 2011, for example, 19.3% of women reported having been raped in their lifetime. 1.7% of men reported being raped, under the CDC's narrow definition of rape, which is limited to penetration of the victim, and 6.7% of men reported being “made to penetrate” someone (also a form of nonconsensual sex) in their lifetime.

If men and women yearly raped the same amount, but amount of women is growing and men is not, this means that it is same men who are raped every year, while women are every year different ones. Looks like men are mostly living in abusive relationships, while women are randomly raped on streets or by people they know.

female perpetrators (acting without male coperpetrators) were reported in 28.0% of rape/sexual assault incidents involving male victims and 4.1% of incidents involving female victims.

I think you mean this nubmer. So there 4.1%, not 5% as you said, still surprisingly huge number, considering other statistics and that men are 5 times more often reporting sexual violence to police than women.

among men reporting other forms of sexual victimization, 68.6% reported female perpetrators

68.6% of 1.9 millions is 1.3 millions. So 1.3 million men are raped or forced to penetrate by women, while women are perpetuators only in 28% of sexual assaults? This means same that I've said before, that every sexually abusive woman is abusing a lot of men and does this repeatedly with same men year after year. Or this number was to other survey? There are few surveys, which are often not named when used, so it can get confused, some surveys there had just 200-300 people in them.

Among alladult prisoners reporting any type of staff sexual victimization, 80.0% reported only female perpetrators. An additional 5.1% reported both male and female perpetrators

Looks like big percent of female on female sexual assaults are coming from prisons or military, what is expectable.

A 2014 study of 284 men and boys in college and high school found that 43% reported being sexually coerced, with the majority of coercive incidents resulting in unwanted sexual intercourse. Of them, 95% reported only female perpetrators. The authors defined sexual coercion broadly, including verbal pressure such as nagging and begging, which, the authors acknowledge, increases prevalence dramatically.

begging is most common form of coercion against men

Lol.

Sadly coercion against women it is almost never just begging.

Actress Gina Carano is Fired by Lucasfilm for "anti-trans" wrongthink in Twitter by MezozoicGay in GenderCritical

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Archieved: https://archive.is/0rQkw

All she did was speaking out that usage of dehumanizing language like "vulva people" is very offensive to women, and then she changed her pronouns to "Beep/Bop/Boop" R2D2-style, which was called as transphobic move and mockery of trans people. After what she was fired from staring in Star Wars movies - or cancelled completely.

At same time at the end of 2019 they re-hired very problematic movie director James Gunn, who was accused of rape, sexual harassment multiple times, and was considered as paedo. They fired him because of the accusations and his harassment to women, but after scandal went silent after few months, they re-hired him back.

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That is a very-very huge number, where you got it from? And it mathematically not adds up at all: 98-99% of rapists are men, 80-85% of their victims are women and 15-20% are men. So only 1-2% of rapists are female. For them to rape 5% of all female victims - EACH of female rapist need to rape at least 25-50 different women. And most female rapists are raping younger men (in most cases ones they know already, their friends or husbands, not random strangers - as they can't overpower a stranger and need some trust from a men's side), this means that this number must go even more up, as maybe only 0.05-0.1% of all rapists are females on females, so each need to rape 500-1000 different women. And most of female on female rapes are happening with presense of a male rapist as well, or it happening in military or prisons. So this just makes no sense.

Maybe you mean that among those 1-2% rapists who are female, 5% of them raped a woman? This will make it 0.05-0.1% of all rapists. This means that for every convicted 2000 male rapists (or around 10000 unconvicted) there will be one famale who may rape a woman.

And in general - 5%? There not enough lesbians and bisexual women to rape other women that often, and what point for heterosexual woman on doing so? So it makes even less sense here as well.

If you include transwomen - then yes, number can be that big. Most countries are conflating transwomen and women or transwomen with men, so I will go with UK, where they were holding statistics: in the UK there were only 60-65 women in prison imprisoned for sexual assault, including just light sexual harassment, or prostitution, mostly against young men they know personally (out of 3400 female prisoners, so 1.7-1.9% of women, or 0.087% of all prisoners), and 70 transwomen imprisoned for raping a woman (out of 158 transwomen prisoners, or 44%), for men number was 16.5 thousands men imprisoned for rape, only around 3-4 thousands of them for lesser sexual assaults (out of 72 thousand male prisoners, 23% full or 17.5% if counting only rape).

This means that adding transwomen to "women crimes" - will increase amount of "women" rapists by 2 times, and will increase amount of women being raped by "women+transwomen" category by around 40-60 times approximately. Same as recently after counting transwomen as women - in just one year paedo cases of "women" category "in last 10 years" increased by 84%, in other words transwomen did up to 84% of paedo crimes that females did in previous 9 years.

GC: Are there specific alternative treatments to SRS and HRT that have proven effective for successfully treating the most severe forms of gender dysphoria or transsexualism? by Fleurista in GCdebatesQT

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In post-USSR to get legal "sex reassigment" surgery and to change sex in documents, person need to visit psychiatrist for at least a year, must be at least half a year or a year on treatment - to know if person really want it and if they don't have other issues, and fully comit to it as well.

In my country because of that - transsexuals often just going abroad for surgeries instead (so it is always middle class or rich people), and not changing legal sex in documents. Transgenders are not even trying anything and bying medicine abroad, as here you can';t buy it without medical prescription, and to get one you need to go for a treatment and check you if you don't have a ton of other issues. Cross-sex hormonal therapy also believed to be stressful and that if there other issues over gender dysphoria - can lead to strenghtening those issues that can lead to suicide.

Most transsexuals are still mostly homosexual people with very strong internalized homophobia, it is still present, even after USSR practices of forced transitioning and propaganda that gay men were just women born in wrong bodies - had stopped.

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I've seen such idea before, that instead of big public toilets, put a lot of unisex rooms with single toilet and washbin per room. Idea is decent, but it will take a ton of space and resources to build and maintain them in public spaces.

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I saw vegan radical feminists few times, but they were nuked from Ovarit, and most radfems are saying that it is women-hating movement. Their ideas are so strange - female cattle is abused too, and so feminists must help animals, even by sacrificing themselves and their rights, because, as they said, if you stop abusing cattle - every abuse system will be stopped, as they are all working same way and connected, so protecting animals will solve sexism and racism. They are equating women and people of color with cattle and saying it is fine as cattle should be respected and saved. It is such a bizzare idea, I am not surprised they were nuked from Ovarit.

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Hm, by "female and trans spaces" you meant two separated types spaces in your post? You are advocating for third spaces then? There should be 4 then, as transmen and transwomen are different.

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Today everything is called feminism.

There people even calling gender ideology as feminism: https://saidit.net/s/LGBDropTheT/comments/7c2j/battling_an_internal_masculinity_struggle_right/rqfy?context=1

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You can't say which of them are safe or unsafe too. Even homosexual ones can be dangerous to women (my ex-boyfriend as an example - he have very deep hate for women and transitioned because of huge homophobia from parents and internalized homophobia).

And I see no reason why they need any more laws or protections than they already had with old GRA variant. It is already giving sex change in most legal documents, it require surgeries that are making them to "pass" much stronger, and there so few of them, that it is not really a big issue anyways (only 4910 were in UK, for example, while transgender people in UK is more than 500 thousands).

Fun fact: Zoe Quinn, a girl who ruined Alec Holowka life to the point of him commiting s*icide came out as nonbinary in 2017. Really fascinating what kind of people come out as trans, huh? by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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Yeah, I am not surprised that she decided to run away from womanhood after all that happened with her and all hate she received for being female, and mistreatment and blaming, like in name of this post too.

I am surprsied that she is even blamed for this at all. When she was doxxed, her house was raided, windws broken and she was forced to change city of living, she had failed suicide attempt during that time, her ex-biyfriend raised money to campaign against her and blackmailed her, said that she slept with few journalists (named them by names) to get good scores for her game after he break up with her and that - which was most likely lies, because neither journalists, nor their publications ever posted any review about her game, and if she just slept with them - he had no deal in it, they break up with her, so she could do whatever she wants with her life and date whoever she pleases. She was cancelled temporarily from Twitter and completely cancelled from any game development. And no one was blaming her ex that he pushed her into suicide attempt, no one was attacking him for all he started. Regular people stood on her support and funded her campaign against ex's accusations - as they saw agressive mob attacking her house and her in Twitter, so ofc they will be against them.

Then she joined #MeToo movement by saying that she was raped and that few her relationships were very bad - and among those were relationships with Alec, who she named was coercivelly controlling her and she was not able to escape relationship, as they lived in one place during game development, so they only break down when she was able to distance herself from him. He suicided few weeks after that her message - and all blame went to her, that how she dared to speak out about this, and show him as a bad person. It is not him being weak on suiciding from far easier situation that Zoe lived through, and of course it is Zoe who is guilty - not Alec's sister who they had quarrel with and not talked for month, when previously she was supporting him and keeping alive, not game studio that stopped working with him year ago and disovned him later, not Twitter mob, who cancelled him just like they cancelled Zoe before, nah - it is clearly her and only her fault.

It is same as blaming GC people or homosexual people in "suicides of transgenders" because gay men don't want to have sex with transmen and lesbians do not want to sleep with transwomen. And if such trans ends with suicide - it is our fault too, with this very same logic applied.

Of course she will try to run out of womanhood and try to find new friends, even if they are "non-binary" community.

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I don't think it is possible at all. There no way to say which male is safe and which male is predator. Creepy looking old guy can be the nicest person on Earth, and nicely looking handsome man can be serial killer.

This phrase was repeated many times here, but I like what Duncan once said: "Only men who are safe in female spaces are the ones who would not enter them at all, even if they will get full permission to do so".

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It is still in majority of posts is focused on feminism and women problems. I think they said that they wanted to create safe space for women and radical feminists, where they can voice their opinions and talk freely, originally, I don't know what they are planning to do now. And I haven't seen there anything pro-trans or pro-transsexual. Maybe they mean their Discord?

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I am reading Ovarit time to time, and it does not look like exclusively radfem space, it is more like "place moderated by few radfems".

GCfeminism at least clears up the idea that anyone here really supports conservative old ideas.

Valid point.

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Because trans ideology issue became so big, affecting whole society and is hurting kids - gender critical does not mean being gender critical feminist or being gender critical radical feminist anymore. One can be conservative christian gender critical misogynist, for example.

Trans rights activists pretend that the only people who oppose their views are radfems. by reluctant_commenter in LGBDropTheT

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Indeed, transmen (females) are not excluded from it, so it is not trans exclusionary. Saying it is trans exclusionary means that person saying it is only cares about transwomen (males), so it is sort of misogyny.

Abigail Shrier (IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE) vs Chase Strangio of the ACLU - let the games begin! by BEB in GenderCritical

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Even more - they were the ones who invented modern type of SRS and promoted "trans the gay away".

Nineteen Eighty-Four Is Now by worried19 in GenderCritical

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Also, as we will see, events in the real world change the way the story can be viewed, often tempting one to wonder if Nineteen Eighty-four was prophetic or has provided a template for totalitarianism.

"1984" was written based on existing regimes, I lived in one of them.

GC: Is anything transphobia? by peakingatthemoment in GCdebatesQT

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If someone is trans and they are just a regular person and did good work, I'd absolutely want to work with them. But what about hiring someone who is trans who I suspect is an AGP fetishist (again legally it is all the same, even though to me and probably you that person is trans-identified, not trans) - Is it transphobic of me to not want to work with someone who could be an open fetishist? I'd say no, but it was because of a negative perception of transpeople as a group that made me skeptical and look for signs. I think it's fair to say it would then be transphobic of me not to hire them. Or that transphobia played into the decision at least. I know that isn't the same as saying all transpeople are fetishists but I would say no "transphobic" people today say that either.

I saw similar explanation few times, but not aboug fetishism, but about narcissism.

That hiring on work someone who is all time focusing on themselves is bad for work environment, can decrease work capabilities and mood of others, can make good specialists leave, can be very problematic in many other cases.

Another trans widow: Elliot Page and Emma Portner divorcing by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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Isn't Emma was calling herself fluid and said that "my identity is unusual and it is not to disclose publicly", while being very supportive of transgenders? And Ellen never said she is a man, she said she is "not a woman, just trans" with "he/they" pronouns, she stopped using any social media after declaring of being a trans. Plus article is stating that Ellen was trying to divorce for 6 months already, so long before transing.

Situation is very strange.

Another trans widow: Elliot Page and Emma Portner divorcing by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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Challenged? This means that Emma do not want to get divorced, while Ellen want?

Biden appoints 63-year-old autogynephile TIM as assistant secretary of health by gendercritfem in GenderCritical

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But where was this propaganda coming from?

In general, people who don't know about something are often phobic to that something, so people were homophobic on their own, but police, Stalin personally (future general secretars were not claiming such directly, only through media) and KGB (previously NKVD) were promoting the idea about "homosexuality can spread" and "if you love men, they must be women" in masses (similar to some TRA ideas: https://saidit.net/s/LGBDropTheT/comments/796h/_/rfis). Idea about "if homosexual is not woman and denies transition, than this homosexual is just a pervert and paedo" was promoted later by KGB, when many paedo crimes were recorded as gay crimes - like Chikatilo crimes, so those criminals were doing their crimes uninvestigated. This part you already know, thought, as you watched "Citizen X" movie.

Nowadays in most post-USSR countries it is promoted because they want to be "the opposite of USA", so if USA saying "homosexuality can't be spread", then official TV channels are saying "USA want to promote homosexuality on your sons, we should block their influence/propaganda on us with censorship to save our sons and marriages!", implying that heterosexual men can become homosexual under TV influence. I don't remember it was mentioned directly that it can spread, unlike how it was in USSR. At the same time, progress is still moving on and people are not as homophobic and not listening to TV that much, even under propaganda.

Can you provide some links showing that this is really true?

I don't think I can, as it was just something I've been noticing in younger people discussions, memes about difference between 5'11" and 6'0", and general attitude. It can be a new thing among youth, but I've started noticing it 5-7 years ago, so maybe it is when it was started. I was not interested in this much, just something I was observing passively - maybe it is state specific, or demographics specific (or tied with racism, as on my memory most receivers of it were asian men around age of 16-25). I will try to focus my attention more on this, next time I'll encounter it.

GC: This article explains well that even if there are only two sexes, and not many sexes, or a continuum of sexes, "trans men are men, and trans women are women", do you have any arguments against the things said in this article? What are your arguments? by Not_a_celebrity in GCdebatesQT

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That is not how discussions are made, do we need to make full review of very long article? You are asking, so make some work and highlight or specify, instead of making a lot of people waste a lot of their time to even find if there anything to argue about.

Random bit I saw was "XY and XX chromosomes is what defines sex", which is pretty stupid claim to do, especially because that person is speaking about non-human species, which can have absolutely different DNA. Like, for example, birds have ZZ for male and ZW for female. Yet we always know who is male and who is female, every time - because we checking sex for everyone not by "XY or XX", but by something else, which exist in almost every single species, and by which we can always find who is male and who is female, every single time. So that author's claim have no sense at all. Author seems to have zero knowledge and zero idea in any biological field. So I am not sure if article is even worth reading at all.

GC: Hermaphrodites in other animals show that sex, male and female, is man-made and a social construct that doesn't exist in other species by Not_a_celebrity in GCdebatesQT

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Who gives a sperm is male during that time, who have egg is female. It is not rocket science. Definitions are very simple and complete - and it describes overwhelming majority of species, with some exceptions among viruses and bacteria (and maybe mushrooms, I don't know if their reproduction is sexual or not).

GC: Hermaphrodites in other animals show that sex, male and female, is man-made and a social construct that doesn't exist in other species by Not_a_celebrity in GCdebatesQT

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If sex, male and female, exists in mammals but not in non-mammal species, then sex is a social construct.

No? A lot of things exist only in mammals (and few rare exception), like livebirth, for example. So pregnancy and birth now is a social construct and does not exist?

Second thing - sex exist in almost all species, even species that have hermaphrodites - are either one or another sex during reproduction. You still need an egg and a sperm to reproduce. And definition of sex is unified among all species, and covers them all, and it is real biological thing that can be very easily tested and proved, easily distinguished in 99.9% cases. Sex is a descriptor of a real world phenomena. You can't test social constructs, they are just social constructs, something created in a mind, not in physical world.

No one is forcing you yet by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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Top part contradicts bottom part: "It is not transphobic to not date with trans people, but it is transphobic to say about that at loud to them or others".

And this comic ignore the part, that it is not we, who are coming to transes and saying "we will not date you", it is them who are infiltrating our spaces and trying to force us to date them, while using old-school homophobic reasoning.

Miley Cyrus is being called a transphobe for stating that she thinks breasts are more attractive than balls. So far 2021 makes me want 2020 back. by MezozoicGay in LGBDropTheT

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It is funny how they are blaming her in "gender essentialism", while they are gender essentialists themselves, because "I dress up and act like a woman - so I am a woman, and only this is enough for me to be this gender". It is pure essentialism, to think that only gender identity and gender feels are the only way to determine someone's gender, and are enough for saying someone's sex or gender, and that nothing else matters. Saying that gender feel is essential and only important part of someone's gender/sex - is essentialism.

Miley Cyrus is being called a transphobe for stating that she thinks breasts are more attractive than balls. So far 2021 makes me want 2020 back. by MezozoicGay in LGBDropTheT

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Maybe the loud advocates are a minority.

But laws are changed and rewriten to cater them, not to help the rest.

Both: What do you think about President Biden's Executive Order? by worried19 in GCdebatesQT

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How a golf club is a golf club if it open to everyone and it filled with footballists and tenisists, who are busy playing those games on golf field? Are golfists have a prejudice against other sports to not allow other sportsmen in their club?

Both: What do you think about President Biden's Executive Order? by worried19 in GCdebatesQT

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Statistics is saying that such places should be in place, thought.

Statistics saying that unisex spaces have hundred times more rape cases than separated spaces, statistics saying that lack of female spaces in schools and universities makes women to skip lessons during menstruation, statistics saying that almost all violence women are encountering is coming from men.

So statistics are saying that such places must exist for general safety and comfort of each party involved. It is not prejudice, it is general safeguarding.

Little kids can be unsafe around lone older men. So should we now let kids to go out with any man asks them, with anyone giving them candys and asking to check his new amazing van? And because we not letting kids with such men - we have a prejudice? Kids having their own spaces - toilets and showers without grown ups is prejudice too? How stupid this argument is?

Both: What do you think about President Biden's Executive Order? by worried19 in GCdebatesQT

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Statistics is not prejudice. Biological reality is not prejudice. People feeling comfortable among their own group is not prejudice either.

Gay men, even in todays society, are given bad gaze, or called out. We thought to act in one way or another, with a lot of stereotypes. Having free space from straight people, from their prejudice is not prejudice, it is just space, where we can feel free and not get annoying comments or looks. Same for people of color, same for females.

Your position is victim blaming and you are calling to promote prejudice and to not let people living under prejudice to have their spaces free of it. Which does not feel very good position to stand for and defend.

Biden appoints 63-year-old autogynephile TIM as assistant secretary of health by gendercritfem in GenderCritical

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My own view is that homophobia and sexism both originated in large part due to male fears of their own inadequacy compared to other men

Because of the propaganda, that "homosexuality is a preference" and "is a choice" in USSR (and still in most post-USSR countries) there was fear by society, that homosexuality can spread and that West is pushing homosexual agenda towards conservative views of USSR and post-USSR. Fathers were afraid, that their heterosexual son will watch on gays on TV and become one himself. Some men were afraid that they will became homosexual (mostly female leaning bisexual men had such problem and self-hate, which was shown as outter hate towards anyone like themselves).

And one of ways that transgender ideology is reviving homophobia is the same one, they are saying that "homosexuality is genital preference" and that "it is a choice and can be unlearned" - so if it can be "unlearned", then it can be "learned" as well, bringing fear of "spreading homosexuality" back. It is very surreal to read trans activists sometimes - they are repeating what I've heard in USSR from homophobes, they are repeating official position of homophobic goverment and promoting what was stated in anti-gay laws.

In my post I was referring to the way the words "feminine" and "effeminate" are used to refer to males specifically and only in the Anglophone world

In slavic languages word comes from "female" too. However, because we don't have direct word for "woman" and "man" (only "female (used for humans)", "male (used for humans)") - "womanly" and "manly" are also inside our "feminine" and "masculine". So words have a bit more different meanings with English one, that's true. I've noticed that "feminine" is mostly used about looks and body language, while "manly" is mostly used about actions and character, while our "feminine" and "masculine" used in both cases.

In the process, males who were seen as insufficiently manly and tough were also regarded to be inferior to other men - though not quite as low as females - and were said to be not "real men."

I saw a surge of "heighism" in USA around 5-7 years ago, when "not tall enough man is not a man at all", we don't have here such problem, even very short men are not discriminated (at least not much and not often), but I see such behaviour often on the West.

Like someone said here - "effeminate" men and gay men in some asian societies were becoming "third gender", who were "above women" but "below men" and were "doing house work".

So this problem is universal to patriarchic societies, but implemented in different discriminatory ways - and almost always against gay men plus against "not big/strong/tall enough" men. Gay men are seen like "women in men's bodies" very often as well, and in such societies "woman" being high in hierarchy as man - is offensive and scary to power holding men. That may be a reason, why calling a man "you are like woman" was (and a lot of where still is) considered as a slur by other men.

I need more alcohol to process this word salad fully. by Beryl in LGBDropTheT

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What exactly this have to do with "biological cis women privilege over transwomen"?

And no, it is not very comon, it is actually very uncommon. Unles you mean circumcision, then maybe yes. I would not call that on a same level of mutilation (if mutilation at all, as unlike of FGM, circumcision in most cases is not enforced physically and have much lower infection rate) as sewing vulva with cactus-needle, thought.

Miley Cyrus is being called a transphobe for stating that she thinks breasts are more attractive than balls. So far 2021 makes me want 2020 back. by MezozoicGay in LGBDropTheT

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Transracial transwoman? I would not be surprised if he is paedo trans-aged too.

All of them are getting voices, while homosexual people are silenced and deplatformed.

I need more alcohol to process this word salad fully. by Beryl in LGBDropTheT

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FGM is privilege? They went full Orwellian.

Living through misogyny is privilege. Lies is truth. War is peace.

The definition of homophobia? by reluctant_commenter in LGBDropTheT

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Logically homophobia is about same-sex attraction. Bisexual person is not hated with homophobia, when they are in heterosexual relationship, but they would be hated with homophobia if they will be on homosexual relationship. While there are cases when bisexual people are hated for being bisexual, which is more rare, and it is called biphobia.

Miley Cyrus is being called a transphobe for stating that she thinks breasts are more attractive than balls. So far 2021 makes me want 2020 back. by MezozoicGay in LGBDropTheT

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In case post will get deleted: https://i.imgur.com/j9RYHQY.png & https://i.imgur.com/j6iT7QL.png

And article itself, archived: https://archive.is/MC8Dj

I am not even sure what fliar would be appropriate here. It is on a "Wax mah balls" level to me.

Biden appoints 63-year-old autogynephile TIM as assistant secretary of health by gendercritfem in GenderCritical

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Males calling themselves feminine and effeminate, and others joining in

In my experience, the opposite is true. Men were calling other "not masculine enough" men as "are you are woman or something?", and those men were accepting the term, as everyone was saying like that about them. I am being called a lot with "you are looking like <slur for women that does not exist in English>" or "are you a gay?" - because my facial features are more "women-like", I am in general very kind and often saying "sorry", and because of my choice of clothing (especially during summer). Sadly I can't wear cloths I would prefer to wear (something like toga during summer, for example), because then I would be claimed as a pervert and maybe even police would be called. I remember my grandmother said that my grandfather, who was killed by communists before I was born, was often saying about "rules of a man", and among those rules there were things like "never ask women if they are comfortable with you", "do not be kind to ones who don't deserve", "never apologise", etc - and for some reason she was very sad that I am not following those rules and acting "opposite to a man". So in general it is men, who are afraid of their manliness are calling others who do not conform to their standarts as "second class people" - or as women or gays to them.

PLANNED PARENTHOOD'S double standard by fuckupaddams in GenderCritical

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If it was school on how to protect from cats, and cat would be telling her/his experience of hunting mice and tricks that cats are using - then it could make sense, but school is about what mices want to achieve, about their lives and experiences, so cat obviously has no idea and is leading to what cat knows about cat life and what cat saw how mice were acting in cat's presence, and thinking it is how mice always act.

The comments call this dog a terf for knowing a tim is actually male by [deleted] in GenderCritical

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Animals easy distinguishing between men and women just by voice of a person, or by their scent. Even if person tries to distort voice - at least dog and cat will recognize it. Around decade ago I saw interesting TV program about this on local channel, there were few different dogs, and were recreating different experiments. One of experiments had those dogs being in a room with a man and a woman in two different corner. Then speaker in center of the room was saying command to them, if voice was male - dogs would look at man in room, if voice saying the very same command was female - they would look at a woman in room. They tried to distort vvoice, by men speaking high pitched voice, or woman speaking very low, tried swapping man and woman corners, put wig on a man and found masculine worker class women - every time dogs were still recognizing correctly. Show was a bit bizzare with many weird experiments in general, but this was fun one.

Few months ago I saw this exactly experiment on youtube (or maybe instagram?), only much simplified version, but can't find it for some reason.

Why doesn’t language pertaining to male issues get “gender neutralized” oh wait. by [deleted] in GenderCritical

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It is true, gender neutral language will benefit men's rights activists the most and hurt men in general the least, at same time it will hurt women and minorities the most and not benefit them at all.

PinkNews: Lesbians love gay male porn. "get your rocks off hunny" by motss-pb in LGBDropTheT

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One more time they justified their nickname "PenisNews".

PLANNED PARENTHOOD'S double standard by fuckupaddams in GenderCritical

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Aren't they now led by a TiM? So there nothing special, they are now focusing on "women issues how transwoman see them": https://archive.is/fEBe9 - middle class white bloke with almost no experience put as lead instead of asian woman with decades of experience.

Why TiM's always taking leading positions in women organisations, universities, subreddits, facebook groups and so on? Looks like they are just MRA, who don't want to leave women to do anything without male supervision.

And how those organisations can focus on helpin women and on women issues, if they are led by men, who have different biology and has no idea of how female body works? Obviously they can't, and will focus mostly on male problems or general problems, while those structures were created specifically to focus on unique to women problems, from a women perspective.

This whole thread: "Cis is a scientific word, used in chemistry to mean "on the same side; not crossing", which means the word cisgender makes so much sense! And trans people have always existed, there were so many trans characters in ancient stories! 🤪" by GarageCar in LGBDropTheT

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And just because one word is used in one branch of science to name something, does not mean same word can be used to name something completely unrelated in absolutely different branch of knowledge or outside of science at all with different meaning.

This whole thread: "Cis is a scientific word, used in chemistry to mean "on the same side; not crossing", which means the word cisgender makes so much sense! And trans people have always existed, there were so many trans characters in ancient stories! 🤪" by GarageCar in LGBDropTheT

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Loki turned into a horse, to gave birth to Odin's horse. This means that...Transanimalism is a thing and always was!

This whole thread: "Cis is a scientific word, used in chemistry to mean "on the same side; not crossing", which means the word cisgender makes so much sense! And trans people have always existed, there were so many trans characters in ancient stories! 🤪" by GarageCar in LGBDropTheT

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And this sounds like another reason of many teen girls deciding to go transmen, as by Tavistock data - around 40% of girls transitioned there named reason of transition either "I like girls" or "I like girls and boys".

This whole thread: "Cis is a scientific word, used in chemistry to mean "on the same side; not crossing", which means the word cisgender makes so much sense! And trans people have always existed, there were so many trans characters in ancient stories! 🤪" by GarageCar in LGBDropTheT

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Sounds like a reasoning of many "he/they" transmen or nonbinary women, as they are often "I want to be anything, but the woman, I want escape this pressure".

"A Transphobe Made A Video About Me!" – Lux responds to Vanessa Vokey's video, sicking his massive audience on her in the process by SnowAssMan in GenderCritical

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The different coloration of Lux's face compared to his neck and exposed chest stands out to me as very noticeable and jarring.

For some reason, I imagined metal band KISS: https://i.imgur.com/vPn6OF7.png

They were very popular in USSR. And on their live I was present, they had faces very pale, necks mildly pale, and open chests of normal skin colors. Just like this guy (but reversed, for some reason his face is darker - especially visible when he puts hands near face).

Ex-Straight Therapy: It Works, And I Am Proof! by hetisachoice in LGBDropTheT

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Babylon Bee is mostly joke site, they have a bunch of serious articles - mostly podcasts and interviews, but majority of articles on site are satire or trolling.

That first Bee article has more facts that sound like facts than Damerons!

So do second article. At least judging by gender identity activists - something like war on reality (mostly on biology) is happening.

MtF on another "lesbians" subreddit: "I feel like I'm not attracted to women the same way other woman are" yeah no shit, you have male socialization by reluctant_commenter in LGBDropTheT

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Not only lesbians, just women in general.

Works of Nietzsche that started many of those pop-psychologies, are completely focusing only on man's libido and man's sexuality. Woman's sexuality is fully described through men there.

In many non-western countries to this day men believing that women sexuality does not exist at all. Clitoris was "found" and became subject of studies only few decades ago.

MtF on another "lesbians" subreddit: "I feel like I'm not attracted to women the same way other woman are" yeah no shit, you have male socialization by reluctant_commenter in LGBDropTheT

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By my observations: many men are using word "cute" as diminutive with meaning something that makes you "awwww" and with meaning from "that's so cute", while many women are using word "cute" as "pretty" or "nice and sweet". Anime fans are using word "cute" with meaning of something childish, powerless and visually appealing. At least when considering people I've interacted with.

Ex-Straight Therapy: It Works, And I Am Proof! by hetisachoice in LGBDropTheT

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Looks like legit TRA blogger: http://www.williamdameron.com/about-me/

And site is not satire site like babylonebee: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HuffPost

This post is satire, but so true: https://babylonbee.com/news/reality-criticized-for-not-more-clearly-distinguishing-itself-from-satire & https://babylonbee.com/news/on-gender-left-steps-up-effort-against-notorious-hate-group-reality

It is so hard to understand now where is trolling and satire and where is real thing. Gender ideology is trying so hard to blur any connections of words with reality.

/r/AL at its finest: "How to confuse homophobes - be homophobe yourself (without realizing it) !" by VioletRemi in LGBDropTheT

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They will not date with their own kind. For some reason they can be discriminative based on genitals, but lesbians or gays - can't.

"Male rape" by FlippyKing in GenderCriticalGuys

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To be honest, shown in TV show I can't even call a rape, as it has very different consequences. Book version sounds like sexual abuse/offense, while TV show one is almost completely showing that man is on the wrong side there - and for some reason internet is defending that man and calling woman as rapist.

First of all, sex was with consent up to very last moment, and even last moment he not tried to do anything as it would show his lies and that he goes all the way to support it.

Second part, when man and woman have sex and woman asking "do not finish inside", but men finishes - it is much worse than if man saying "I would like to not finish inside", but woman insist on doing this. In the end it will be woman who will get pregnant, for man nothing will be changed.

And in current situation it is clash of who you support more - grown up man, who not wanted kids in this marriage, so he lied to young naive girl about fact of being sterile, knowing that she has no idea how babies are made, or support young woman who always wanted kids and was very upset that her husband is sterile, but married him nontheless. And even if they will get kids - she would be the one taking care of them, as during those times in most cases women weren't working and men weren't taking care of kids.

That sex not ended in pregnancy, but even if he did, the dilemma is "one not wanted kids and lied, other wanted kids and tried to make them" - who overpowers who, one who don't want or other who want, and why?

I think that rape culture might be at the intersection of a lot of dysfunctional aspects of our culture where a lot of bad behaviors and bad ideas converge on some guys where that's the result.

Agree here.

It is especially visible in asian cultures, especially Japan, with their huge problem of groping, and how they are treating women and rape there in general. Or in China few decades ago, where women were binding their feet to receive injuries to legs for the whole of their life, because it was believed that feet binding is making vagina more tight and that it will bring more pleasure for their future husbands. Women were forced to do this, and who refused was called bad girl and bad wife, who will die alone.

And visible in fact that clitoris researches only started not that long ago, science was trying to avoid recognizing fact that women can have pleasure during sex as well, and that women have libido at all. Nietzsche was focusing all sexuality and libido through men as well.

So there a lot of different factors, misinformation, misbeliefs and traditions which are factoring in it. In current days there is internet culture that is only multiplying all those factors.

"Why Trans Women DON'T Belong in Male Prisons (Barbie Kardashian)" – video stream to start in 3 hours. Don't forget to rate & comment (he deleted my comment, but he can't delete ratings lol) by SnowAssMan in GenderCriticalGuys

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Especially considering, that around 80-90% of female prisoners (depending on country) are in prisons for non-violent crimes. In UK huge amount of female prisoners are women who not paid their TV license or their house rent. And then those peaceful women will get in their prison cell murderer and rapist who is physically stronger just because he said he is now temporarily a woman.

"Why Trans Women DON'T Belong in Male Prisons (Barbie Kardashian)" – video stream to start in 3 hours. Don't forget to rate & comment (he deleted my comment, but he can't delete ratings lol) by SnowAssMan in GenderCriticalGuys

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In many male prisons here, there is special section for gay men and sometimes just "too gnc" men. Can be something like that for transwomen too.

Right now both transmen and transwomen are sent to women's prisons in many cases in anglo-sphere countries and some others.

"Why Trans Women DON'T Belong in Male Prisons (Barbie Kardashian)" – video stream to start in 3 hours. Don't forget to rate & comment (he deleted my comment, but he can't delete ratings lol) by SnowAssMan in GenderCriticalGuys

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Even if they don't belong in male prisons, they still don't belong to a female prisons.

If you stopped being something does not mean you have become something else.

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Answer was about ones who do not have ova, as it was in question of "being sexless for lacking eggs or sperm".

"Male rape" by FlippyKing in GenderCriticalGuys

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That is very weird case. When women are violently raped in TV series and movies without ever asking their consent, it seems to be fine for some reason, but when something slightly not completely consented happening with a man - whole internet is up and screaming.

In those series it was consensual sex there. He lied to her that he is sterile, while she wanted kids. Instead he was pulling out before finishing to not get her pregnant. When she learned this and she learned how sex and reproduction works (she was very naive and young, never had sex and had no idea how anything works and she did not even know how women can get pregnant, when married him), she decided to try make him finish inside her. So she topped him and he was not able to finish not inside her, without being too obvious that he was lying. She did not even get pregnante there. And whole point of that scene was to show the moment in her life when she realized that even closest people around her are liars and that she should stop being helpless victim and should start taking what she want, ignoring other people's wishes - just like they doing with her. And he is around 30 cm taller than she is.

So he was able to put her from top of him, but for one reason or another decided not to. And after scene he was just ashamed, and sad that she now know the secret.

In book version there was much worse situation - he came home drunk and she used the situation to have sex with him and to overpower him, after the act he felt himself broken and used, and had light mental problems afterwards, which weren't present in TV adaptation. I can't really call it rape in TV adaptation, as everything was consensual, and he just not wanted his lies to be dispelled.

I can think of a range of ways a guy can be "violated" or taken advantage of by a women, but I have a hard time seeing any of that as rape. I know of my share of instances when guys I know can honestly complain about "what that B#&#& did to me" but none of it is rape.

In our country law about rape is considering rape as any sexual intercourse with using genitals without consent, so forced sucking a penis, penetration with any item, or even forced licking vulva will be considered as rape actions. Making woman pregnant, or doing rape with violence or with using official position, or if rapist is related in any way to victim (husband, relative, friends) will double prison term or prison term will be maximum one. Repeated rape may end with lifelong sentence. Same with any sexual offense against minors.

Even with such law at some years we have 0 women rapists.

I would consider man raping woman bigger offense, as she can get pregnant, and damage to her body (and most likely mental health) is bigger as well.

Why would a woman or LGB vote Trump? by Britishbulldog in LGBDropTheT

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Truth be told, communist party is almost always right-winged, focused on control, self enrichment, dictatorship methods, censorship and similar means, while it is people under them are told to become left and share their goods. Famous phrase here: "Under capitalism people are exploiting other people - while under communism it is the other way around".

Most communism regimes are this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism - country is a company, and people are workers for it, or more like property of it.

When party is main beneficiar and party members are rich, while everyone else is "equally poor and equally rightless" - such equality was in every communist country that ever been on Earth.

Why would a woman or LGB vote Trump? by Britishbulldog in LGBDropTheT

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I was born in USSR, and I was put on unpaid work for half a year only because they had a suspicion that I can be homosexual. If they were able to prove it, I most likely would end with 2 years or maybe even in prison (or mental asylum), or forcibly transitioned to transwoman like it happened to few my older friends. Illegal radiostation "Voice of America" helped me a lot with anti-HIV safety and with understanding that it is normal to love men as a man, and that it does not mean that I am a woman like our society was telling. Most paedo cases were said to be "work of homosexual men", as you know both of slurs are used against us to this day ("peedor" and "pedik") are shortened version of "pederast". Those were dark times for homosexual people.

Meme tells it all: https://i.imgur.com/VlThASQ.png

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Almost every intersex condition is occuring only in males or females.

It is because some intersex conditions are appearing in both sexes, but developing differently, while majority are sex specific and occuring only to either males or females.

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Someone that has had their spleen removed is still human, despite the fact that most humans have spleens.

If human is born with only one leg, or lose one or both legs in an accident - it does not mean that humans are not bipedal.

As a biologist it kind of bothers me that tras and the like are only interested in chromosomal abberrations as a gotcha in a debate

It bothers me because it has no reasoning too, but people with DSD are struggling because of it and dragged into discussion with no reasons at all. Misinformation is spread about them because of that as well.

It has no reasoning with one simple reason: even if 3rd sex exist, it still not justifies change of sex from one to another.

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I heard russia is that bad when it comes to its treatment towards gay men.

It was USSR, not Russia. Russia is bad towards gay men, but not as bad as was USSR. Today people are more agressive towards gay men, thought. Previously people believed it is a disease and we are poor people who are suffering with our "wrong" attraction and need fixing so we can finally be reliefed, so many acted out of pity. Later they were trying to make all paedo cases to be prosecuted on homosexual people, even USSR slurs to call homosexual people ("peedor" and "pedik") are shortened version of word "pederast", at that point people were hating homosexual people "for raping young boys and girls". Nowadays people watching propaganda and thinking that homosexuality is something you can learn and that it is USA who is attacking with homosexual propaganda to destabilize Russia, so people are acting more agressively. However, laws themselves are not as strict as were in USSR. To my luck, I am not living in Russia since USSR dissapeared.

There was funny situation, when icecream company "Rainbow" was prosecuted as "homosexual propaganda", so they changed name and logo.

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I am sorry, I don't remember. I just remember it was few times used by trans activists in discussions, and every time disproven as lacking of any evidence (as their described condition was not similar to any known intersex condition, and since then never was observed, so it is either extremely rare, that it happening less often than once in ten billion times, or it was just speculation based on lack of medical knowledge). Maybe someone here know the name of the person in question, thought.

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[–]MezozoicGay 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

That's homophobic ...

Yes, it is.

In most societies with 3 gender, 3rd gender is gay men mostly, sometimes just gender non-conforming men.

Same with Iran - they are transitioning gay men to transwomen, so "they will become straight women instead of homosexual men".

I was born in USSR, and in USSR homosexuality was against the law as well (in many homophobic countries trans acceptance is high, but homosexuality is hated), and sometimes similar practices were used as well - social and surgical transition of gay men against their will "to become straight woman". I was once prosecuted for suspicion that I am a gay man. If I was "caught" or "suspected" one or two more times - that would happen to me too.

do you agree with that?

Obviously not. And as gay man - even stronger not.

However, it is "gender is social construct and gender must replace sex" topic that is very often raised by trans activists, including in /r/gendercynical.

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[–]MezozoicGay 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That one case is the exception to the rule?

It is unknow if it is. We don't have data on that person, as data is fragmented and was received more than 100 years ago, before modern methods of research.

The definition of male or female can't be used to determine if the intersex people of that one case are male or female?

Why? First of all - it can. Second - why should it matter? Just let them be. They are not changing their sex anyways, so they has nothing to do with being or not being transgender.

Wouldn't it mean the definition of male or female is flawed because it can not perfectly categorize that one case, and that case is an exception which disproves the rule?

We don't know if it disproves the rule. And until rule is not disproved, it works. Plus, if it works in 99.999999999% of cases, then there no reason to not use it, even if in 0.000000001% there will be set a special case.

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[–]MezozoicGay 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

No, intersex people are almost never exceptions to the rule. Almost every intersex condition is occuring only in males or females. In 99.98% cases we can easily say their sex, and only in 0.02% it is harder, but still possible with just a few tests. While only in around 0.001% cases it is very hard to tell, but in those cases in general it does not matter at all much, and they should be just called as they are used to live or looking like, instead of trying to use those 0.001% as "gotchas".

If you want to support intersex people: https://www.dsdfamilies.org/charity

5 methods that are used to determine sex of a person, works for everyone, including all intersex cases (except one, which was understudied, so it is unknown reality of it): https://twitter.com/AlexAlicit/status/1346223299571961856

And lets not forget that EVEN if they would be "3rd sex" (which are they not), then it is still not proves that "sex can be changed from one to another". It will make transwomen "3rd sex" or "4th sex", it will not make them women, it will not give them right to be grouped with women and enter women's spaces.

In societies with 3 genders, where gay men are put as "neither men nor women" and doing "women's work" - they are not grouped with women and have their own 3rd gender spaces, different from women's and men's spaces.

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[–]MezozoicGay 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What about someone with a womb, XX chromosomes, who looks like a woman, and identifies as a woman, but is entirely infertile from birth, why wouldn't they be a woman?

It should be a question to you. You said that infertile woman is not a woman.

What about infertile men?

Here is a few questions to you: you do the IVF. Who from "intertile sexless XX person with a womb" and "infertile sexless XY person with penis" will be able to gestate a child from it? And how do we know who can do it? And why do we know who can do it? Answers to those questions will answer your questons.

There are congenital conditions where woman is born without a womb, and there are women who have their womb surgically removed because of a disease. They still can get uretra transplant and gestate a child (low percentage of success - around 20-30%, but possible). While same can not be made with any man, including intersex men.

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Is this person not a woman?

She has CAIS - complete androgen insensitivity syndrom, so she has underdeveloped "balls" and lacking uterus as it was destroyed by anti-mullerian hormones, and almost fully developed female body. She can't produce neither sperm, nor eggs, but her body possibly can support uterus transplant and gestation through IVF.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wik6uRl6Wjo (this channel is in general good, you should subscribe on it)

I think saying that sex is defined by gametes

It defined not by gametes, but by "gametes that body is developed to support". Your own example about IVF is proving this as well - woman who never was able to produce eggs and never will be able to, but still can get pregnant through IVF, while man who never was able to produce sperm and never will be able to can't get pregnant from IVF. This definition describes all and every single person.

And one more point someone gave in this subreddit previously: if person was born with congenital heart disorder - that does not mean they are new species and are not human anymore. Tall man is not "more male" because "men on average are taller", same as tall woman is not "less female".