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[–]Poppy29252Natal Cat Woman 43 insightful - 2 fun43 insightful - 1 fun44 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

Valid, gatekeeping, inclusive, intersectional, queer. It's rare to see them used in any sort of meaningful way anymore.

Queer is on its own special platform I think. I'm SO FUCKING TIRED of it being used as a personality trait for straight people who feel like they're boring and passé and can't be bothered to pick up an unusual hobby instead. I'm so tired of seeing straight people say it to describe the gay community like it never meant anything else. Like it was never said while beating a gay man to death. But whatever.

[–]MilkTea 29 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 0 fun30 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I haaate the word gatekeeping now. It would make sense in the context of pretentious people saying certain people can’t enjoy a genre of music, for instance. It doesn’t make sense for sexual orientation. Words have meaning.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sexuality and dating essentially are gatekeeping and exclusionary by nature. You don't want people who aren't straight saying they're straight just like you wouldn't want someone who's not gay moving in on your turf and speaking for you.

[–]Ferngully 18 insightful - 10 fun18 insightful - 9 fun19 insightful - 10 fun -  (1 child)

I just found out a straight male friend of mine is dating a “queer non binary” person that is a straight female 🤦‍♀️

[–]censorshipment 7 insightful - 10 fun7 insightful - 9 fun8 insightful - 10 fun -  (0 children)

Perhaps she likes cis and "trans" men? I used to follow a black couple on YouTube, Kamari and Honey, and the "cis" woman calls herself straight because she isn't attracted to women but her "boyfriend" is a "trans" man (lesbian).

[–]julesburm1891 19 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

and can’t be bothered to pick up an unusual hobby instead.

Right? I miss when people would just learn to ride a unicycle or learn to make candles instead of pretend to be LGB.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

I miss hipsters, hard as it can be to say now. Most of them have moved on to queerer pastures unfortunately

[–]hetisachoice 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I miss rational adults.

[–][deleted] 37 insightful - 1 fun37 insightful - 0 fun38 insightful - 1 fun -  (12 children)

Transphobia. Everything is transphobia now. And pronouns.

[–]mvmlego 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

While I agree that "transphobia" is sickeningly overused, I think this is a problem that the LGB movement largely brought on itself, considering that LGB activists have (and still continue to, in some cases) play pretty fast and loose with the term "homophobia".

As we like to point out to TRAs, the root "sexual" at the end of "homosexual"/"bisexual" means something--specifically, that these are attractions based on sex rather than gender. Unfortunately, LGB activists haven't applied the same degree of precision with the word "homophobia", which--by the same reasoning--should only be used to refer fear of LGB people because of the root "phobia". This leaves the community with little ground to object to the extremely expansive way that TRAs are currently using the word "transphobia".

[–]reluctant_commenter 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

considering that LGB activists have (and still continue to, in some cases) play pretty fast and loose with the term "homophobia".

Curious what examples you are thinking of? I don't have any particular opinion yet one way or the other. I have heard some mixed opinions here about that whole wedding cake case in the U.S.

Unfortunately, LGB activists haven't applied the same degree of precision with the word "homophobia", which--by the same reasoning--should only be used to refer fear of LGB people because of the root "phobia". This leaves the community with little ground to object to the extremely expansive way that TRAs are currently using the word "transphobia".

Agreed. I wish we called it something else, like "sexuality-ism" or something.

[–]mvmlego 2 insightful - 7 fun2 insightful - 6 fun3 insightful - 7 fun -  (8 children)

I have heard some mixed opinions here about that whole wedding cake case in the U.S.

I think this is a pretty good example. Regardless of whether it's morally or legally acceptable to refuse to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple on the basis of their sexual orientation, I don't necessarily consider the baker to be homophobic. There are plenty of people who have dispassionate moral objections to homosexuality, such as Ben Shapiro--who, despite being an Orthodox Jew, is friends with Dave Rubin (a married gay man) and has no hesitance about, e.g., sitting next to Rubin or shaking his hand. I don't consider his beliefs homophobic, but I know many that LGB people and their allies would disagree.

On the flip side, a lot of people on this sub are overly lenient about labeling TRAs or their talking points "homophobic". The way they actually seem to be using the term is something much more akin to "harmful to homosexual people" than "afraid of homosexual people". This pops up all the time in threads about transwomen coercing or otherwise manipulating lesbians into have sex with them. Such actions are clearly wrong and harmful to lesbians, but it's equally obvious that the transwomen aren't remotely afraid of lesbians. Nevertheless, many (if not the majority) of this sub's users would label the transwomen in question "homophobic".

[–]reluctant_commenter 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I don't consider his beliefs homophobic, but I know many that LGB people and their allies would disagree.

If his beliefs are anti-homosexuality, then his beliefs are homophobic. That does not necessarily mean that he is a bigot or acts in bigoted ways, I guess. I don't really follow Ben Shapiro so I don't know what the situation is with him.

than "afraid of homosexual people".

This is not what the word homophobic means.

but it's equally obvious that the transwomen aren't remotely afraid of lesbians.

Correct-- because transwomen don't have to be "afraid" of lesbians in order to be "homophobic," the word "homophobic" is a misnomer. It has always meant "bigotry towards X demographic" not fear towards some demographic.

Nevertheless, many (if not the majority) of this sub's users would label the transwomen in question "homophobic".

Yes, and correctly so-- the word is not about fear. I completely agree with you that it would be ideal to have a different, less-misleading term to describe "discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation". What would you propose? Sometimes I think of it as "sexuality-based bigotry" but that's more of a mouthful.

[–]mvmlego 1 insightful - 6 fun1 insightful - 5 fun2 insightful - 6 fun -  (6 children)

transwomen don't have to be "afraid" of lesbians in order to be "homophobic," the word "homophobic" is a misnomer. It has always meant "bigotry towards X demographic" not fear towards some demographic.

If you insist. As I said, though, this opens the door to TRAs claiming that the "sex" in "homosexual" is a misnomer and insisting that non-bigoted gays and lesbians acshually feel attraction based on gender.

What would you propose?

I'm not completely sure, but perhaps "anti-homosexual discrimination"? I that know bisexuals might object to this term out of concern that it promotes bi-erasure, but I don't think it does. A sexual act that occurs between two people of the same sex can reasonably be described as "a homosexual act", even if one of the people involved is bi--and that's the sense in which I'm using the word "homosexual" in "homosexual discrimination".

Another alternative could be "sexuality discrimination", but this one seems extremely vulnerable to horizontal concept creep. In other words, it can be co-opted by various groups such as demisexuals, zoophiles, BDSM enthusiasts, "MAPs", etc. that LGB people don't want to be lumped in with.

[–]AlexisK 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Being homosexual is not a bigotry, calling it bigotry is a bigotry and gaslighting, so it is not opens doors for TRA in any possible way. And saying it is - is gaslighting and homophobic, as it takes idea that homosexuality is "love to masculinity" or "love to femininity" as true.

[–]mvmlego 2 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 5 fun3 insightful - 6 fun -  (4 children)

Being homosexual is not a bigotry, ... so it is not opens doors for TRA in any possible way.

On a rhetorical level, it does. I don't believe that any sort of sexual attraction is bigoted (regardless of which groups it excludes), but plenty of people don't see things that way. To those of them who don't understand the trans debate, it sounds worse for a gay man to say "I'm attracted to men, but not transmen" than "I'm homosexual".

For the latter to convey the intended meaning, "homosexual" and "sexual orientation" have to maintain their proper definitions (i.e. that they're about sex, rather than gender). It's very difficult for the LGB community to uphold those definitions while accepting the use of "phobic" in "homophobic" to mean something other than "fear".

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Well, "phobic" in science refers not to fear, but to repulsion. A hydrophobic substance repells water, so "phobic" has always had repulsion as an alternate definition

[–]mvmlego 1 insightful - 7 fun1 insightful - 6 fun2 insightful - 7 fun -  (2 children)

A hydrophobic substance repells water, so "phobic" has always had repulsion as an alternate definition

That's a fair point, but it doesn't account for complete breadth of ways that the term is regularly used in the LGB community. Earlier in this thread, I used the example of Ben Shapiro having a non-emotional, moral objection to homosexual activity. I included the details of him not acting squeamish around Dave Rubin specifically to tease out the definition that you're proposing. Nevertheless, u/reluctant_commenter, whom I respect and who hardly strikes me as a radical or an outlier, clarified that she considers him to be homophobic. Consequently, the word is clearly being used to refer to a much broader set of attitudes than fear or repulsion.

Also, including repulsion in the definition of "homophobic" risks implying that that many gays and lesbians are heterophobic for attitudes that aren't actually bad. I don't consider a lesbian who feels repulsed by the notion of interacting with male genitals to be heterophobic (or misandric). By the same principle, I don't consider straight people who feel some repulsion toward various homosexual acts to be homophobic.

That was a level-headed and thoughtful reply, though. I really appreciate it.

[–]hetisachoice 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Tr-nsph-b--" is a misogynistic homophobic buzzword of false equivalence, much like the absurd "h-t-r-ph-b--." They are both forms of het male hate speech against women and gay men.

[–][deleted] 33 insightful - 1 fun33 insightful - 0 fun34 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

"genital preference" or "sexual preference". There is no such thing as a "preference" in regards to people who are exclusively same-sex or exclusively opposite-sex attracted.

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

SAME!!!

[–]mvmlego 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

Unpopular opinion: I don't see what's wrong with the word "preference". It doesn't imply that the absolute or relative strengths of two desires can be changed, nor does it suggest that they should be changed.

[–]reluctant_commenter 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Here's the problem I see with it, and to be fair this may significantly depend on what part of the world you're in (I'm in the US)-- the word "preference" usually has the connotation of, both options are acceptable but I like one more. So for example, if one says, "I would prefer to drink some orange juice rather than a bottle of poison," the statement might seem silly, sarcastic, or ridiculous-- because who really is okay with drinking a bottle of poison? "Preference" is a misleading term-- really, no one would drink the poison. Likewise, if I say, "I would prefer to date women," the implication is that you would settle for dating men. In the context of sexual orientation, this only really makes sense for a bisexual to say, because they are attracted to both sexes by definition. (One could argue semantics and pick out edge cases, e.g. "I'm straight but I would date someone of my same sex if I never had to have sex with them, and they gave me a shitton of money!" or whatever, but that's the general idea.)

That's just my take on it. The context I see TRAs use it in, at least, is: "Oh, lesbians would be fine with dicks, they just prefer to not date someone with a dick," because TRAs believe sexual orientation is a moral choice that one makes. When actually, pretty much all lesbians would not be comfortable with that (or only in the context of a sexless relationship, or whatever)...

Again, I'm sure this may differ by region. But I know that's what TRAs typically mean.

[–]mvmlego 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

So for example, if one says, "I would prefer to drink some orange juice rather than a bottle of poison," the statement might seem silly, sarcastic, or ridiculous-- because who really is okay with drinking a bottle of poison?

I agree that this would be a silly and probably sarcastic question, but that's not because of the word "prefer"; it's because the answer is so obvious that the question doesn't need to be asked. Consider a scenario where there is no obvious answer:

Alice: I've got Dirty Dancing, Friday the 13th, and The Shining. Which do you prefer?

Bob: Dirty Dancing, I guess. I hate horror movies.

To me (also an American), this seems to be a completely normal use of the word. I see "preference" merely as a simple matter of ranking.

[–]reluctant_commenter 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To me (also an American), this seems to be a completely normal use of the word

Interesting. Because this is very much a different connotation from how I have heard it-- and it's exactly why, for example, people got so mad at Amy Conen Barett or whatever about her phrasing, not just TRAs.

I see "preference" merely as a simple matter of ranking.

Unfortunately, most trans rights activists do not.

I get why you would not see this usage of the word as a concern, though, since you have a different connotation of it.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Because preference implies that while you prefer one sex over the other, you don't completely eliminate the other sex from your dating pool. Now, this is all fine and good if you're bisexual, but if you're gay, lesbian or straight, this becomes an issue, because not only will people say that your monosexuality is a preference and that you could potentially change your sexuality (or include the other sex), but that you're being fetishistic and exclusionary for only wanting to date one sex and not the other.

[–]mvmlego 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Because preference implies that while you prefer one sex over the other, you don't completely eliminate the other [option].

No it doesn't. Consider the following scenario:

Alice: I've got Dirty Dancing, Friday the 13th, and The Shining. Which do you prefer?

Bob: Dirty Dancing, I guess. I hate horror movies.

people [will] say that your monosexuality is a preference and that you could potentially change your sexuality

They could say that, but they would be using the word incorrectly. Like I said in my last comment, "preference" doesn't imply any plasticity.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/prefer

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But it does imply ranking, i.e., women 1, men 2. When someone who is monosexual, only 1 sex in their ranking, the other option is never considered as a potential partner in any way.

People usually don't say the second part of the sentence. No one is going to outright say 'I prefer women. I hate men.' or the alternate. The title lesbian/gay/straight should be enough to imply it. However, since there are more bisexual lesbians, political lesbians, and queer people around these days, they can't fathom the idea of a woman (or man) only being attracted to a single sex. When they talk about sexual/genital preference, it's well known that many people in the modern 'queer' community (LGBTQ) think people are sexually fluid and can change their 'preferences' if they think about them enough.

I do, however, understand that people don't use preference properly, but I'll also add that 'sexual preferences' and the term 'preferences' was often used by conservatives and the religious to imply that homosexuality and bisexuality are an active choice to love the same sex, not an innate characteristic.

Sexual orientation doesn't leave that ambiguity. It's clear cut and doesn't undermine what LGB activists have been working towards for decades.

[–]8bitgay 27 insightful - 3 fun27 insightful - 2 fun28 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

"no one actually says ...", "no one is telling you to ...", and any other variants.

They're manipulative sentences that people always use to pretend that they didn't just say what they just said.

[–]DestructionI ❤️ adult human females 25 insightful - 5 fun25 insightful - 4 fun26 insightful - 5 fun -  (3 children)

The mantra of "TWAW", "TMAM" or any variation of "TrAnS rIgHtS" ESPECIALLY whenever encountered in places totally unrelated to LGB or T. Fucking sick of that shit being absolutely everywhere! Also: "Can we normalize...?" usually followed by incredibly asinine and backwards logic. Also pronouns. Especially of the neo kind.

[–]julesburm1891 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The “trans rights” thing bugs me too. Obviously, I’m coming at this from an American perspective, but what legal rights do trans people not have? Everything they’re demanding at this point are kind of insane privileges—getting to cheat at sports, making other people change all the language to describe themselves, medically experimenting on children, bypassing the military’s rules on medications, etc.

[–]hetisachoice 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Name one gay person who asked for this for gays.

[–]clitoriana 23 insightful - 5 fun23 insightful - 4 fun24 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

I struggle not to dry-heave whenever I see "valid" nowadays.

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Seeing the word queer will always ruin my mood immediately, even more so now that the woke straights have been trained by the woke LGBTQ+ to use that word rather than gay, lesbian, or bisexual, and they've been made to fear using any other word, so when you tell them you don't like that word, you can feel them getting frustrated at you in that "Well what the fuck am I supposed to use? Everyone keeps telling me something different!" kind of way. And they'll go ahead and keep using "queer" because they know that the queer activists can hurt them.

And they tell themselves that the people who don't like the word "queer" are old and confused and shouldn't be taken seriously. And in this way they justify to themselves using the word "queer" even though a literal LGB human being has told them that they don't like being referred to with that word.

"Queer" to me is the symbol of people lying to themselves. It's the emperor without clothes.

[–]censorshipment 12 insightful - 8 fun12 insightful - 7 fun13 insightful - 8 fun -  (0 children)

Fuck yes. It's so damn odd hearing liberals casually saying "queer". That is a damn homophobic slur.

[–]DestructionI ❤️ adult human females 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This! I hate that word with a passion! I wouldn't be surprised if those most eager to reclaim it have never heard it used as an insult let alone had it target them.

[–]hetisachoice 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I do not use the word. I do not associate with people who use it. I will not watch TV shows or movies that try to pass it off as anything other than hate speech of the vilest kind. In fact, I think I hate it more than the f-word.

[–]Butterlogs✨Superlesbian ✨ 22 insightful - 2 fun22 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

“Problematic” along with “societal construct” will instantly make me stop taking the person using these phrases seriously

[–]Constantine 16 insightful - 6 fun16 insightful - 5 fun17 insightful - 6 fun -  (6 children)

“Valid,” “problematic,” and “safe” are all perfectly good words that make me want to gag whenever I hear them now. Or laugh. I laughed out loud when someone was talking about “not feeling safe” in class anymore. That went over well.

[–]julesburm1891 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I laughed out loud when someone was talking about “not feeling safe” in class anymore.

We need the story on that one.

[–]Constantine 17 insightful - 4 fun17 insightful - 3 fun18 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

Well, basically we were talking about the nightmare at Evergreen college (which someone posted here about a couple of weeks ago, I believe), and this person got very upset when I disagreed with the students in that scenario and then this person started going off about how I was infringing on her “right” to feel safe, at which point I just started laughing my ass off at the very notion that there was such a thing.

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 14 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

I tried looking it up but I have no idea what keywords to use. Several years ago, there was a drama-queen who was acting up on an airplane, and when the airplane landed, the airport cops came to arrest her, and she kept screaming "I don't feel safe!" and the cop was just like "........???" Like, honey, you're about to be arrested, it's normal for you to not feel safe right now. You weren't worried about feeling unsafe when you made hundreds of people feel unsafe on the plane. But she kept repeating that fucking phrase. Because her feelings are important, but everyone else's feelings are irrelevant.

And how in the world was the person you were interacting with "not feeling safe?" It's not like you were going to lunge at her and beat her ass in the middle of the classroom?

[–]Constantine 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That's the thing with these people, every little discomfort is a form of "violence." It's not about physical safety, it's about emotional safety. What they fail to understand is that at the most basic level, the only person who is 1) responsible for, and 2) even capable of deeply impacting your emotional health is yourself. But that's too much work, so it has to be everyone else's problem instead.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 12 insightful - 5 fun12 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Snowflake demanding the whole house to be freezing so it doesn't melt when it drifts in through the window.

[–]reluctant_commenter 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I laughed out loud when someone was talking about “not feeling safe” in class anymore. That went over well.

Dude I have heard that one too, in college classes. Or people being like "this is a safe space" out loud. Like, damn are there any dangerous people or something around?!, oh never mind that's not what you meant...

[–]reluctant_commenter 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wouldn't mind hearing "homophobia" if it were actually being used properly and not just as a synonym for "transphobia"...

Mine:

  • valid/validating (true validation comes from inside, not an external source)

  • transphobic/transphobes

  • queer

  • MLM/WLW (I would love a word that groups bi women and lesbians, but when I hear "wlw" 9/10 times it means transwomen)

  • stunning and brave (it's such a meme lol)

  • inclusive (9/10 is not actually being used to mean "inclusive")

  • genital preference (homophobic)

  • genital fetish (homophobic)

  • sexual preference (often misleading)

  • "top" and "bottom" supposedly in the context of lesbians (lmao, what a joke)

  • "TWAW/TMAM"

  • "my trigger" (most of the people who say they have a "trigger" do not have PTSD, and make a joke out of those who do; totally ridiculous)

  • "bodies" (e.g. "we have to nourish all these trans bodies" dude you are not just a "body")

  • dehumanizing language towards women - reducing them to body parts e.g. "uterus havers"

I'm sure I'll think of more... Good post.

[–]usehername 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I agree with yours, plus "violence" and "pronouns".

[–]fuck_reddit 13 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 5 fun -  (6 children)

All of the above + "speak truth to power," "queer," "empower," "oppress," "violent" (in reference to speech or things that are objectively not violent), "misinformation," "fake news" (as a new problem, as if news has been 100% factual for the past 10,000 years), "hate speech," "power" (in any academic setting, I'm so tired of hearing how everything is about power, can anyone just enjoy life and see the beauty in certain things and actions?). Like there are so many synonyms for these words that can convey more nuance at the same time, people nowadays sound like drones that only know five words.

[–]julesburm1891 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

Ninety-nine times out of a hundred, “speak truth to power” is the response to something utterly fucking stupid.

[–]hetisachoice 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Anyone saying "speaking my truth," as if truth were different for one person than it would be for anyone else, is a cancer on the rectum of society.

[–]fuck_reddit 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

“Your truth” also makes my blood boil, as if each person has a unique reality and that others can’t understand... it’s so alienating

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen"[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Interesting, I've never heard "speak truth to power" before. What exactly does it mean, and where's it used?

[–]reluctant_commenter 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's a bit awkward of a phrase, to be honest. Literally speaking, it means: "go tell the truth, to this person who is in power/person who is an authority figure" and often the implication is that some injustice was committed that the authority figure didn't know about; that they need to hear the "truth." Of course, the speaker is the one claiming something is "truth" when it might actually not be, lol. The way I have heard it used before is, for example:

Person A: "Transwomen are women!"

Person B: "Yaz queen, speak truth to power! Word! Preach! Slay!" (that sorta thing)

I think originally the phrase was supposed to encourage people to stand up for themselves, but, ya know. Pretty hackneyed and meaningless by this point. If you have seen any of Benjamin Boyce's videos on Evergreen, the protestors in there say it.

[–]fuck_reddit 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, I’m gonna add “performative” to the list. Cause everything we do is apparently a show we put on for other people... really makes me think some of these people are meat puppets that have no will of their own...

[–]plenty_water 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Anything that has to do with/these particular words or terms: intersectionality, critical theory, queer theory, queer, non-binary, VALID (holy fuck), genital preference, inclusive, bigot, TERF

[–]fuckupaddamsBisexual Terve 12 insightful - 2 fun12 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Valid, queer, preference, and inclusive - more than anything else

[–]julesburm1891 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Stunning, valid, inclusive, intersectional, queer, trailblazing, bigoted, and preferences

Also, the phrases “examine your” and “lgbtq rights” Now, just about anything that follows the former is mind-numbingly stupid: preferences, privilege, complicity, bias, etc. The latter only refers to absurd trans demands while dragging LGB people along for the ride now.

“Gender expansive” is a phrase I hadn’t heard before a couple of years ago, but it makes my skin crawl every time I hear it.

[–]Jinera 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

FOLKS. God that word makes me nauseous. My favourite youtuber uses the word all the time (although he never talks about politics). He says "all right folks time-lapse time". And I just get flashbacks to wokies.

The word queer makes me swipe left if girls on tinder use it. Byeeeeee. And if activists who are homosexual use it then I just feel disappointed in them.

[–]gencritLesbo 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

VIOLENCE

[–]Tikiri 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

  • Y’all - for people who hate “whiteness”, the American South, and “good ‘ol” anything, they’ve pounced on talking like extras from Deliverance with jaw-dropping speed. Isn’t this, er, Cultural Appropriation?
  • Bodies - Wtfffff is up with referring to groups of people as “bodies”!!? It’s like switching from Deliverance to Law and Order: SVU.

[–]dilsencySame-sex community 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

"Cis", lol. If I were to call myself "cis" it would imply that I am participating in gender identity ideology, when I want nothing to do with it.

I'd rather say "I don't have a gender identity".

[–]INeedSomeTimeAsexual Ally 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They will say you're agender then. You are literally not allowed to escape that.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Cis", lol.

Good GOD yes! Hate that fuckin' bastardized term with a PASSION! We don't need a qualifier-- we're just, yanno, NORMAL!

[–]SerpensInferna 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nonbinary. Sets my teeth on edge.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

My favourite is when they write folks as folx, to not offend people with a gender neutral term wtf

[–]hetisachoice 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If you're not from the South, then that's cultural appropriation.

[–]fuck_reddit 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I have never seen an explanation for why they do that that makes any sense. A group of people just followed what one person did and now they’re in too deep to go back.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

  • Queer

  • Bigotry

  • “It’s not my job to educate you!”

  • Hate speech

  • Queen

  • Internalised homophobia

  • Internalised misogyny (in the context of a gay man, because obviously gay men are not women)

  • Toxic masculinity

  • Folks

  • Y'all or Ya'll

  • Genital fetish

  • Assigned at birth

I could go on, but I might as well write a short novel.

[–]mvmlego 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

As wary as I am of second- and third-wave feminism, I don't object to the phrase "toxic masculinity". Some people perceive it as describing masculinity (as a whole) as toxic, but grammatically, what it's actually doing is referring to the aspects of masculinity which are toxic--e.g. proneness to violent aggression.

I agree with you about pretty much all of the other ones, though.

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Bigot and its derivatives. It is used more often by legitimate bigots to victim blame than to refer to actual bigots nowadays

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"TERF" (makes me cringe hard. Every time I've heard it used unironically it's spat out like a slur), "trans kids" (makes me want to punch a wall when I hear about ppl transing kids), "authentic self" (no), "trans rights" (imposing your rigid belief structure on others, abusing women and children is NOT your right), gEniTaL PrEferEnCe (fuck you to whoever says this unironically). Now I also hate "but sexuality is flUIIID"! (fuck that noise)

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Enby, Non-binary, Cis, Gender, Heteronormative, Cute, Women/Men, Transphobic, Literally killing us/trans, Assigned gender/sex, preference, fluid.

[–][deleted] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In addition to everything that's been said, the prefix 'trans' tbh.

[–]RiverSong 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

unsafe!!

Esp. when it's coming from some Hulk in a dress, who claims to feel unsafe when women object to him entering their safe spaces.

Also "cis" and "valid".

[–]mvmlego 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

"Respect" and "hate". I can't have a perfectly polite--and even rather conciliatory (on my part)--conversation with TRAs without them pretending to read my mind and thereby ascertain that I hate or disrespect trans people.

[–]Destresse🇨🇵 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

"we really need to talk about..." and all its variants

[–]powpowpowpow 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Folks, queer makes me wanna vomit bc its usually attention seeking ppl, violence, hate speech, transphobia... there are probably more but these are the ones I recall

[–]hetisachoice 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I literally fucking despise all European-based languages at this point and want Hebrew to be the new lingua franca of the world and Israel to take over absolutely everything.

[–]Mermer 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Definitely 'valid' and "I identify as..." And being ambiguous like "queer". I get if you're not fully figured out yet but you can't stay unlabeled forever, I believe people are objectively a sexuality and it's not all about you it's about people around you to know. Also what's wrong with "WLW/MLM"? Genuinely curious.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fingernails-on-a-blackboard-isms not previously mentioned:

  • pan/pansexual (LOATHE this; no one is attracted to goddamn GENDERS! And quit trying to render us bisexuals even MORE invisible than we already are!)
  • gender (NEVER wanna hear again at this point, outside pure linguistics-- il/elle, le/la, etc.)
  • latinx (reminds me of commercial products like Kleenex, or some sorry-ass X-men ripoff, plus how the fuck are you supposed to pronounce it???)
  • center (i.e., what we must do with trans and their obsessive navel-gazing issues 24/7)
  • uwu (excuse me while I burst a blood vessel...)
  • SRS
  • unpack
  • top/bottom surgery (try non-euphemisms like "breast/genital mutilation" instead)
  • born in the wrong body (since when does anyone GET a body aside from the one that they have???)
  • be kind
  • privilege
  • exclusionary
  • trans rights are human rights
  • Marsha threw the first brick at Stonewall/transwomen gave you (LGB) your rights
  • transwomen are being HUNTED! (but somehow never includes the vast numbers of women who are... hey, whatever happened to TWAW... ?)
  • smol
  • kinkshame
  • sexual fluidity (i.e., "violate your sexual orientation for others' convenience!")
  • sex is a spectrum
  • but intersex people!