Welcome to Saidit.net!

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Whether you're new or you've been here a while, welcome to Saidit.net!

We're trying to create an environment that encourages thought-provoking discussion, like how reddit used to be 5+ years ago, when Aaron Swartz was still around.

We've made several improvements to reddit's design. Saidit doesn't have upvote vs downvote, but instead two types of upvotes: An "Insightful" vote which has a lightbulb icon, and a "Fun" vote which is a laughing icon. You can vote both of them if it's both funny and insightful, and that will give it the most points and increase its ranking. This two-upvote system gets rid of upvote vs downvote wars, and people downvoting others to censor them.

Having two types of upvotes also means that you can sort posts and comments by funny or insightful. This is a system that slashdot used to great success and we're excited to try it out in a saidit-like environment. You can use the 'fun' or 'insightful' tabs on the main page to out the sorts for each type of upvote.

If you think something doesn't belong on saidit, you can ignore it or if it's really bad you can 'report' it and this will flag it for the sub moderator to take a look at it.

When voting on content, please think of the Pyramid of Debate, as we aspire to the upper levels and get to the truth of what's being discussed, and to let everyone have their say. The following diagram is the core of how this website will be administrated. People who are consistently dragging discussion down to lower levels of the pyramid are not welcome here:

(Click the grey box that says JPG to open the image expando, so you don't have to open a new tab to view the image.)

We've also created an integrated live IRC chat channel automatically for each sub, which you can see at the top right of the page. The home page also has a #home channel, which is the main chat. It automatically logs you in to a chat channel corresponding to the sub you're currently in, using your saidit username, right in the browser! Everyone is welcome to say hello. You can disable chat in your user preferences.

In the top right there is a daymode/nightmode selector, shown as a black and white diagonal square. Clicking it switches instantly between a dark theme and a light theme, and if you're logged in it will remember your choice forever.

You can create a sub 2 weeks after your account has been created. Then after you create a sub you must wait another week to create another sub. We do this to reduce bad actors attempting to register far too many subs to dominate saidit.

We're constantly developing new features and improving saidit to become the community we all wish we had. If you want to track the improvements we've made, saidit is completely 100% open source, and you can view all the current code here at any time: https://github.com/libertysoft3/reddit-ae or by going to the 'open source' link at the bottom of the page.

Also at the very bottom of the page are links to:

Saidit's sub 'subscribe' system is an opt-out system, rather than reddit and voat's opt-in systems. This means that when your account is created, you're automatically subscribed to all subs, then you can unsubscribe from the ones you don't want on your home page. If you'd rather do it the other way around, you can go to 'preferences' in the top right to see your user preferences, then select the option 'unsubscribe from all subs' and you can build your own sub subscription list from scratch. This opt-out system also means that when you create a sub, any new users to saidit will automatically be subscribed to your sub.

Thank you for being part of the group that is building a new online culture. If you have any comments, questions, or ideas about how to improve saidit we'd be happy to hear from you. We hope to make a place that we can all be proud of, a real home for a broad variety of ideas and discussions. Enjoy!

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[–]Kill_Time_XIII 29 insightful - 2 fun29 insightful - 1 fun30 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

Just signed up today. Thank you for another alternative.

[–]magnora7[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Glad to have you here, welcome

[–]ElonMusk 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Now, we need IOS and Android apps.

[–]magnora7[S] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Android apps:

https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.saiditnet.redreader/

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.saiditnet.redreader

The iOS app is under development, coming soon!

For more info like this, check out all the links in the footer at the very bottom of the page.

[–]dudejuice 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

F-Droid is great. Thanks for hosting the app there as well.

[–]spacetree 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Same here! Thanks for a new platform!

[–]noah 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (15 children)

Saidit's sub 'subscribe' system is an opt-out system […] This means that when your account is created, you're automatically subscribed to all subs

So what happens when theres 10,000s of subreddits, and I make a new account? Will I be subscribed to all those? Or is it just for the time being due to low traffic on anything?

When will 2FA be implemented? It would be great if it was phone-free too (i.e. QR code, or code).

Do you have a roadmap of new features that will be coming?

Thanks!

Quick edit: coming back to my first question, it may not be a good idea whatsoever to do the "sub to all" thing. There's already a few weird subreddits that people may not want to see. I understand the audience Saidit is appealing too, but still, some people may not want to see that stuff (i.e. Pizzagate)

There seems to be no way to unsubscribe from a subreddit? Also, is that what they're called: subreddits?

[–]Tom_Bombadil 12 insightful - 5 fun12 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 5 fun -  (5 children)

Eliminate PizzaGate?!

Pedogate is a global crisis (PizzaGate is D.C.). Everyone should have easy access to this information. I agree that it's hideous, but that's the point. The public needs to be aware of this ongoing disaster, and be able to recognize the signs.

The reason it's unpopular is all of the MSM flack. Please don't suppress information.

[–]noah 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Eliminate PizzaGate

I didn't say that.

Everyone should have easy access to this information

Yes, but I think it's stupid to be subscribed upon creation of account. It's like being subscribed to /r/politics when you create a Reddit account.

The reason it's unpopular is all of the MSM flack. Please don't suppress information.

I'm not. I — any many others — simply don't want to read it. I guess I signed up for the wrong site.

[–]Tom_Bombadil 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I apologise for being overbearing.

Please understand that I have an anti censorship bias.

Everyone is free to unsubscribe from any given sub.

Unfortunately, there are important ideas/facts in many subs that most people would never come across if they have no exposure.

My underlying assumption is that you are opposed to censorship, as well. Right?

[–]noah 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes I hate censorship.

It's not a big deal for me (being subscribed to whatever), and probably anyone, as it's super early days of the site. We have the freedom to subscribe and unsubscribe if we wish.

[–]HeyImSancho 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

second that.

[–]HeyImSancho 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

second that.

[–]magnora7[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Yes you'd be subscribed to all of those in that scenario.

We don't use 2FA because it's an anonymous forum, and also we don't really want to collect people's emails or phone numbers. I suppose we could think about making it optional for email, thanks for the suggestion.

Our roadmap for new features hasn't been shared publicly, but we've got about 35 new features on our to-do list.

We did the sub-to-all thing because saidit is just starting out, so we wanted to make sure people were seeing all the content that is available. We don't want saidit to look smaller than it is so early on.

They're called subs. To unsubscribe you simply push the 'unsubscribe' button on any sub, or you can go here: https://saidit.net/subs and unsubscribe from those you want.

Let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to help.

[–]noah 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

We don't use 2FA because it's an anonymous forum, and also we don't really want to collect people's emails or phone numbers.

2FA is still possible without mobile, or email. It's probably actually safer not to use either of those methods, and code the method I advised (usually scanned via QR code, but you can just type the algorithm thing)

[–]d3rr 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Wouldn't this QR code approach just be equivalent to having a second password? Do you know of any sites using this approach?

[–]noah 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I'm not sure if I'm technically getting it correct. Authy, Google Authenticator, 1Password all have inbuilt One Time Password managers.

The QR code is the same as a regular code. You can scan a code, or, alternatively, type a code that the website provides. The code and QR are the same input (same pass phrase) and output (same OTP/2FA)

Almost every 2FA website (Facebook, Reddit, Twitter, Amazon, Cryptocurrency sites, Discord, Dropbox, Google, Microsoft, WordPress) uses this method over SMS verification.

Here's a YouTube video. I just searched "one time password" and this was the first video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnTd2t4LWIE

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

But those codes are usually sent to the person's email or phone?

That's the whole idea between 2FA, is that you use two gateways to access the person to verify their identity. So if you just give them a secondary password right in the page, and they just copy-paste that in, that's not anymore secure than 1FA. It has to get to them via a route only they have access to, like email or phone.

[–]noah 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

No, these codes can be hardware or software, and do not require internet connection. If you have your password compromised, hackers will still not be able to login, as they do not have your 2FA code. I don't know the whole "behind the scenes" of how it works, but once the pass-phrase is generated, it cannot ever be accessed again, or modified (can't be modified when you set it up either). If you disable, and the enable 2FA for your account again, you will get another pass-phrase.

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, these codes can be hardware or software, and do not require internet connection.

I'm don't think we can expect our users to want to download and install special software, nor do I think they'll buy a hardware device to do the same. Maybe in a few special rare cases, but not as a general use case.

[–]Synergy_synner 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So what happens when theres 10,000s of subreddits, and I make a new account? Will I be subscribed to all those? Or is it just for the time being due to low traffic on anything?

I hope they update this in the future as this place grows so that new accounts don't have to go through the whole list.

There seems to be no way to unsubscribe from a subreddit?

If you are still subscribed to all the subs(?) this should help you if you haven't already seen it. (if you already did all this then feel free to ignore)

[–]MrMetalFingers 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

AFAIK they’re just called “subs”.

[–]JasonCarswell 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

  • I love the dark theme. Not enough folks include this.

  • I like the emoticon votes. Can you add more. The QxR torrenting group forum features several emoticons with more different values, though without the voting hierarchy. My experience with forums is very limited. I think it might be appropriate here to add a few other icons or searchable tags that might include "trivia" (for notable facts or knowls or info worth keeping that may not be "insights"), "NWO" (open geopolitics, ecconomics, war, police, full spectrum dominance, etc), "spycraft" (secrets, deepstate, covert ops, nefarious methods, etc), "MKUlture" (media analysis, propaganda, brainwashing, psy-ops, drugs, cultural engineering, context), "Alt-History" (truther perspectives, historical revisionism, alternative narratives, etc), "Alt-Solutions" (antiestablishment resistance, resources, solutions, media recommendations, etc.) or whatever. I like that there's no vote war. I think it might be good not to be negative and downvote, but I also think a skeptical emoji or something of a questioning nature should be expressible. Maybe put it to a vote.

  • "SaidIt is completely 100% open source." I love this. I recently overhauled Wikipedia's "open source (disambiguation)" page. For clarification, is it also Libre (FLOSS)? I think that's worth mentioning if it is. Supporting its distinction is very important. See also: Gnu.

  • I'd love to know if SaidIt is interested in decentralizing itself. Not only to distribute and ease band width (should that ever become a problem), but also to avoid hard and soft censorship, not to mention adding a layer of permanence should they ever try to shut down the site. For example, SaidIt could blockchain, bittorrent, and/or webtorrent it's content (text and maybe images) to share archives and/or hosting (without sharing administration controls). Further, SaidIt could be mirrored on ZeroNet or my favourite idea: IPFS. IPFS is being inter-developed with Filecoin, libp2p, IPLD, and Multiformats by Protocol Labs. Steemit has closed proprietary sketchy schemes. IPFS has Filecoin as a practical necessity for maintenance, gear, etc. as well as monetary incentive for content contributors and curators, as well as currency for other applications and markets. The currency incentive corrupts many folks motives (ie. they post crap hoping to earn or rig schemes) but without ads or selling info overhead must be maintained. I haven't heard of any flaws or red flags yet regarding the conceptual theory for IPFS but I'm certainly watching. I'm hoping IPFS or something like it will be the alternative solution we've all be hoping to embrace and evolve past limitations of the Internet.

  • I am not a coder, so the theoretical stuff above may not be as easy as it sounds, and may have flaws or cons I'm unaware of.

  • I have a many other topics I'm passionate about beyond Decentralized Web(s), like trutherism and filmmaking. Further, I hope to bring my 2 projects to SaidIt, if everything works out. I would also be co-developing them with other websites (ie. wiki, images, audio/video, funding/marketing, and publishing). I don't know if these type of crowd source projects would fly at Reddit because I never got into Reddit or Voat to try. It's only because of the Tin Foil Hat show that I know about you. I can only hope for success and do my best but whether my projects actually succeed as intended is beyond me, as are the pros and cons of attracting crowds. If anyone is interested I can briefly outline these semi-related truther projects and/or point you to where I'm currently partially developing them. I won't waste any more of your time unless you ask, so if you're intrigued, please ask me about them.

  • I also have my Wikipedia projects, even though Wikipedia sucks ass, it has a mass audience and great resources.

  • What I can't do on Wikipedia I do on InfoGalactic. For example, I wrote these articles: https://infogalactic.com/info/James_Corbett_(journalist) https://infogalactic.com/info/Tigole https://infogalactic.com/info/WebTorrent

  • These articles were/are severely censored on Wikipedia: https://infogalactic.com/info/InterPlanetary_File_System https://infogalactic.com/info/Lionel_(radio_personality)

  • I didn't know if I could believe the Pedogate stuff and wanted to find a list of elites and their deeds but found none anywhere online, so I started my own list which turned into this article and two lists: https://infogalactic.com/info/Pedophocracy https://infogalactic.com/info/List_of_acknowledged_pedophilia_elites https://infogalactic.com/info/List_of_alleged_pedophilia_elites

  • Those three article/lists are necessary and important but unpleasant so I rarely update them. Typically I avoid such matters. Delving in to research, verify, add citations, etc takes time and energy. I have several other articles that I'd like to share with you all but they are terribly unfinished messes or simple stubs as yet. I collect information as I go and intend to eventually add to and update these articles and so many more - but I only have so much time. Feel free to contribute to them yourselves and/or throw information or constructive criticisms my way.

  • What's the diff between "posts" and "comments"?

  • What's the diff between "conspiracy" and "conspiracyundone"? Seriously. I don't see a diff.

  • Any chance this might be where the Tin Foil Hat podcast researchers hang out? (There's no TFH threads.)

  • Sorry this got so long. I don't know if this forum features folding/collapsing or not. These are just brainstorming ideas, I hope you like and/or don't mind. I don't even know if this is appropriate or rude for voting forums. I'm just very excited and happy to have found you. I don't even know if I'll be posting much. I tend to do things in spurts with big gaps between while I'm onto the next thing.

  • Two weeks seems like a long time. Good thing I'm patient. Peace out. ~ Jason

[–]magnora7[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Wow quite a lot of feedback, thanks.

We are definitely going to pursue decentralizing our servers, and IPFS may play a role in that. However IPFS only allows static files, so we were thinking a static html frame in IPFS that then inside it loads information passed around in a blockchain-like or torrentl-like manner, similar to how bitchute.com uses webRTS to transmit the video data. We are thinking of trying to adapt that system to carry all our dynamic data that can't be updated on IPFS (like the postgreSQL database that is continuously changing). This is definitely something we're looking in to.

Posts are the main posts. Comments are in reply to the posts or in reply to each other.

Conspiracy and conspiracyundone are just two different subs made by different people.

If you want to make a TFH sub, go for it! Your account has to be aged 2 weeks in order to create one though, as you noted.

If you haven't, I recommend you check this out, as it may answer any additional questions you have: https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/37r/welcome_to_saiditnet/

Thanks again for all the thoughts.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Thanks for responding. I hope I don't sound too critical and maybe some of my novice ignorance in the feedback is helpful.

I don't know enough to speak with certainty or "authority" but from what I understand there are many developments attacking this mutable vs immutable issue in IPFS, including the way GIT is a permanent record with updating and forking qualities (excuse my lack of better words). I hope you can free and open develop it with others. FYI the "WebTorrent Desktop" and "Vuze" are the only (that I know of) apps that both Bittorrent and Webtorrent. I wish qBittorrent did too. They're working on it but I don't know if they're considering the libp2p project that Protocol Labs is working on in conjunction with IPFS and Filecoin. Also, FYI the the GitHub forum has one thumbs up icon plus an additional optional icon with various emojis.

So it's SaidIt > Subs > Posts > Comments.

I guess the chaos is part of the charm, ie. Conspiracy and conspiracyundone. And there could be more Subs like Conspiracies (not actually different but plural), Conspirophilia, Conspirituality, Conspiritards, etc. Or is there curation and/or metatags, etc to help organize? I like chaos and organization, but to search and find something specific quickly usually means it shouldn't have 42 potential hiding places. If I understand this correctly, Idon't think I'm being critical of SaidIt so much as a weakness of the Reddit-style forum. Unless I'm wrong or too hasty to have an opinion about this popular format that I have never embraced before. (It took me a while to "get" into the backend culture of Wikipedia, which is as rigged and anal as possible.)

I can wait the two weeks. I expect I'll make Subs on occasion for various interests and will as my familiarity and enthusiasm grow, but in particular I have 3 Subs I intend to make, and I'd appreciate feedback. I'd like to free and open source develop 2 creative projects in 2 Subs and another Sub for the online worker coop and management of those projects. The 2 creative truther edutrainment projects would be co-hosted on InfoGalactic where the project would take form (ie. scripts, storyboards, etc) but discussed here, and the management sub would be about everything but the creative stuff - fundraising, accounting, promotion, distribution, etc. I expect there will be near zero participation and I'll be mostly talking to myself until some of the first episodes are finished and released, but thereafter at least the ground rules will be laid out and production shouldn't have to slow to adapt. I don't know why SaidIt might object, but I'm open to hear why. I use InfoGalactic because they have a deep encyclopedia (Wikipedia mirror) with a decent connection, willingness, and no censorship. I'd rather be on a neutral, truther, anarchist, or progressive wiki than alt-right, but they exist, let me do truther and progressive articles, and are open to utilize the wiki for other projects, beyond just the encyclopedia. Perhaps my projects could be entirely developed on SaidIt alone, but I think the combo embraces the best of both. Of course I'll also eventually likely use YouTube, Vimeo, DTube, and BitChute. Anyway, I'll try to finish my outlines to post on InfoGalactic, then share here in a couple weeks.

Unrelated, I came up with an idea that may help SaidIt. If someone else has done this then great minds, if not then it might be a good app to develop and share. I've heard of sites that embed crypto-mining in their pages. I have mixed feelings about this, however if it's all in the open I'm all for it, especially if you/they were to develop something like this: On every page (not buried in preferences) with the top banner, user info, preferences, messaging, etc at the top in the open, a little icons with a mining icon that expands when you click on it to provide your options with an explanation. It might say "To support SaidIt please enable the cryptomining option. To encourage your support SaidIt what is mined up to 50/50 (or whatever number) but you may choose to donate more to SaidIt (with a slider to change it to 0/0 (off) 50/50, 60/40, 70/30,... or 100/0 (all to SaidIt)). You have earned XX for SaidIt and XX for yourself which you may transfer out beyond XX." Any more complicated than that and it starts to seem like a scheme. (ie. Steemit is not open nor decentralized and is too complex not to be rigged.)

I read the welcome. One thing I don't see or haven't found is how to check for recent activity rather than reviewing an entire thread I've already read and trying to discover the hidden/nested new comment(s).

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

We are basically planning to use IPFS to load a static page that in turn loads dynamic content from a blockchain or something.

Or is there curation and/or metatags, etc to help organize? I

There is a search function. It's just part of how reddit-style forums work. We were talking about building in a crossposting mechanism that would allow a post with comments to be posted under multiple subs.

Your project sounds interesting, you're more than welcome to share it with the community.

Yeah we plan to have our own in-tab cryptocurrency mining later on. We're still working out the details of that.

If you want to see the newest comments you can go to www.saidit.net/comments

and the newest threads are under the "new" tab on the main page, also available at www.saidit.net/new

I'll add that to the welcome info.

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Thanks for all the good info.

While I'm little motivated by crypto stuff, I am enthusiastic about its promise on many levels. I don't think it should be underestimated how much of an incentive it could potentially be if you were to share the in-tab mining with the community, should they choose to recoup it. It may be a draw. It may also be a drawback if people are only here to "earn". Steemit for example is full of shitty posts. Then again, maybe that's more common on forums than I'm aware of.

I'm going to check out new and comments now...

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

You could be right, and there will probably be some downsides. But it's the best method I see for ensuring eternal funding for a decentralized saidit. Imagine it running in the cloud 100 years from now... still being paid for by in-tab mining and served by people leaving server tabs open. Then it would be almost truly autonomous

[–]JasonCarswell 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I agree. However you haven't acknowledged my idea about sharing the mining with the users. Maybe you only want to offer 10% and make them jump through hoops to actually redeem it, but as long as the process is open an honest then I can't see why it won't be embraced. Further you might post a fundraising goal, where all of it (or better 90%) goes to SaidIt and after that goal is reached then you pull back to 50% or 60%.

Also, I think it should be fully disclosed on every page with a toggle button and default setting. (ie. Default on can be turned off for each user and/or a temporary toggle button on a per-page basis in case your computer chokes or whatever.) It would be less cool to bury it under menus.

Also also, as an incentive for users you can publish their stats openly, maybe like Steemit accessible to all, and further put their total beside their name and/or whether they are contributing (on) or not. Whether folks choose to shame the non-contributors and make fun of their hair or genitals or mom or whatev is a whole other angle. Or we could adapt methods of persuasion from the CIA.

[–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Oh, we'd probably offer the users doing the mining 70% or so, then 30% or so goes to the site. Something like that. Maybe even just 10% goes to the site. We'll have to play around with it, but that's the range we're thinking.

It wouldn't be a background thing, I wouldn't want it to be a surprise to anyone. It would be more like a link that says CLICK HERE TO MINE and then it would open a new tab and the tab would say MINING.... and have stats about it, and you'd leave that tab open to run it. And it would be front and center.

I like the idea of publishing stats for mining, like we could have a leaderboard for the week/month/all time, etc. Good idea.

[–]JasonCarswell 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That sounds about perfect. Better than I was thinking.

"Employee of the Month"

[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Great to hear we're thinking along the same lines! "Employee of the month" sounds great haha

Also important is that we'll have it be a tipping system, not a voting system. So unlike steemit, the rank of the thing on the page won't be determined by the cryptocurrency. It will just be an extra bonus similar to giving reddit gold

[–]JasonCarswell 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Any chance someone can point me to info or explain how the subs work? I know by default I'm auto-subbed to all of them. That's fine, but can it keep auto subbing me or why do I need to sub to the others that I'm assuming are new. I'm also wondering if there's a way to see when the last comment is for each thing. I can see how many folks are subbed but I don't know if the conversation ended/stalled months ago.

And what's up with the empty topics? For example, Victoria, BC. I was born there and lived there a couple times. The topic is empty, which is not surprising. There are two mottos for Victoria - It's for the newly wed or nearly dead, and, It's more British than the British. I don't expect there's one for Windsor, ON. but that's where I'm at now.

I almost feel like I'm doing it wrong. How do you folks process all of this content?

Also I see a lot of links with few conversations about them, almost like they're curated for votes. But the links aren't always that great. For example, ConspiracyPhilosophy. I thought I'd throw in a link to definitions for Conspirophile and Conspirituality but there was no conversation to inject it into, and if I'm not mistaken I think I have to wait 2 weeks to post a new thing(?) though I wouldn't as these are barely side notes hardly worth mentioning.

[–]magnora7[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is an updated version of our old welcome message here: https://saidit.net/s/AntiExtremes/comments/3a/welcome_to_antiextremescom/

If you ever need any help feel free to ask me! And of course special thanks to /u/d3rr who is the other main developer of saidit.

[–]VeritasQuaesitor 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Hi! Glad to be here!!

[–]Soulova 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hi

[–]Mnemonic 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

  • Top of the Sub:

What is it: Top of the Subs aka 'TotS' would be a sorting tab (like hot/new/funny/top) where the (lets go with) 5 (for now) top articles of every sub are displayed. This would also be sorted then like top, so the different sub-stories are mixed. So if you had a long day, you can get an easy overview.

  • New on the Subs

What is it: New on the Subs aka 'NotS' would be a sorting tab like like hot/new/funny/top/TotS) where the (lets go with) 3 (for now) top articles of every sub are displayed. This would also be sorted then like new, so the different sub-stories are mixed. So if someone is dumping their music library you can visit this tab as still see other posts that are new.

[–]d3rr 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

These sound pretty good. So it's about giving every sub a fair shake and not letting popular subs overwhelm hot and new and top, on /s/home * and /s/all and /s/subscribed ? For the time range, it could use the "links from" filtering, and you could pick "past 24 hours".

[–]Mnemonic 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Exactly!

Because there may be good links out there in subs you are not subscribed to and these could be a way to discover them (and discover new subs to subscribe to).

For now it's still okay to be subbed to all, so more a future thing.

[–]d3rr 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I see magnora likes it too. I'll add it to our list for such a time when we stop auto subscribing everyone to everything.

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Interesting ideas! I'll have to think about them for a while, because this is like a 30+ hour project, but I do like the ideas and intent. Kind of to keep one sub from dominating any tab.

We've also considered limiting people to 15 posts a day (not counting comments) in order to cut down on people dominating the site too much in one day. I like your approach too. Maybe we'll do some combination of them.

[–]RedPillPusha 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I LOVE THE NAME!!! Sounds just like reddit. But it's way better! Just finished reading and totally love the no downvotes option.

VOAT's branding just doesn't appeal to me. My mind dislikes seeing www.voat.com then their logo in All Caps, without using A's, and not spelled VOTE.. Kind of annoying haha.

Plus there are not many people here yet but there is so much potential!! I think we all need to make sure we share this site with everyone on voat so we can increase our chances of diversification.

It reminds me of Hydra, cut off the head and we'll grow back TWO!

Love you guys and so proud of such a fast comeback. Let's kick some ass and get this information out there.

I hope SerialBrain2 chimes in!!

PEACE :)

p.s. - I'm going to try and make some meme's to post later ;)

[–]sfereng 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Hello, SaidIt! I'm new here. I'm touring your site today to learn how things work. A few things about me:

  • I'm usually quite funny, but not always.
  • I have cats and pet dogs.
  • I love learning languages..

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Welcome!

[–]Riva 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is great! Is this based on the Reddit API? Could I modify current Reddit apps to plug into this one or did you coffee from the ground up? Looks like a straight clone but I know the admin area isn't included in the original Reddit git repository. At least it wasn't when I tried to do this.

Thanks a lot! I hope this is the next evolution. I was on Digg before the mass migration to Reddit and have been watching Reddit decline for years.

Do you have a team or are you a single person doing this? Great job either way! And thanks!!

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes it's based on the reddit API so there's a very good chance you can port over reddit apps. We've already ported RES which you can read about here: https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/je/res_for_saidit_supports_chrome_opera_firefox_and/

Glad you like it, and it's cool you've been around since digg too.

It's mostly myself and /u/d3rr doing the work to make this site happen, but there's a few others who have helped with parts of it.

[–]CaptainDialUp 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Is this salvation. Reddit deserves a fate worst than Digg. Long Live the Commons.

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Amen.

[–]NoSignaL_1337 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Hello all, I am happy to be here. I really like this sites voting system!

[–]magnora7[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Welcome! Glad to hear it, we are excited to see how the voting system works out in the long run. Getting rid of the upvote/downvote wars is so refreshing to me :)

[–]TheGreatRoh 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Signed up today. This looks like a better system than Reddit. Kind of like how OSRS is to RS3.

I’m concerned about keeping “extreme content” away. As long as it’s keeping out credible threats of violence, and the doxxy behaviour, I’m fine.

How is this website going to prevent a repeat of Reddit?

[–]magnora7[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Welcome!

As long as it’s keeping out credible threats of violence, and the doxxy behaviour, I’m fine.

Yeah, it's basically stuff that could get saidit shut down, that's the only things we really ban. We don't want to put the platform on jeopardy.

We plan to prevent the repeat of reddit by having a different voting system, different site rules, and an admin team that won't sell out and consequently turn a blind eye to bot teams and astroturfers.

Also the fact we have 2 types of upvotes, so if funny memes ever take over the site, you can easily filter them out to focus on insightful content.

So we've got several preventative layers that will keep us from going down a similar path as reddit.

[–]BluteNacht 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I lasted just over a year and a half on Reddit. I was sick of the blatant racism, sexism, and other bigotry within a month of joining. I'm hopeful that Saidit will be a much better community than that cesspool. Glad to be here and I hope I can be of service if improvements are ever needed.

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Welcome! You can check out the links in the footer of every page if you're interested in seeing the open source code or getting the app, or stuff like that.

[–]Vulphere 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Hello, just signed here!

Nice to see Saidit!

[–]Shill 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just signed up. Glad to see something like this!

[–]dgtronic 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

whats the policy on posting original content ( self created ) versus having to post other peoples content ?

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Either way is fine, but we definitely value original content the most!

[–]Mnemonic 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you had chosen another name, nobody would know. So no problem as far as I know. We also have another one who does that.

[–]d3rr 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There's no policy. Automated submissions are frowned upon.

[–]dgtronic 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

whats an automated submission ?

[–]d3rr 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

bots posting links or posts or comments

[–]slabgreen 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

Hey, I'm new here. I used reddit for about a year, but ended up quitting the site. Didn't know this was a thing until I visited a subreddit by chance earlier today on mobile and stumbled across a link here. Thanks so much for making this, it's awesome and so much better than Reddit! I hope to see this site grow.

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Cool, glad to have you here! Welcome to saidit

[–]slabgreen 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I'm looking forward to bringing back some of my favorite reddit subs once the two weeks are up. :)

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Sounds great!

[–]Twisted_Code 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

hmm... that pyramid looks familiar...

[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yup that's where I got it from. Such a great design

[–]Drizzt 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Can i buy stock in Saidit?

[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not yet, but someday we'll have a cryptocurrency. There are links to donate at the bottom of the page though

[–]Nechama 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Signed up yesterday. So glad there's an alternative to Reddit. I was getting tired of all the negativity. I love that there are no downvotes here. It's so much better to have upvotes as you can tell popular posts and if you don't like something you can just not vote for it instead of bashing it with a down vote. I think downvotes also lead to manipulation of posts by being able to increase the discrepancy between posts making it easier to force a post higher by forcing others lower. I also really like the opt out vs. opt in system. After a year I still have no idea what all the subreddits were and kept being surprised when I found a new one that I was interested in. This way you can see right away what's available and then create a list of all those you want by slowly excluding those you don't. This means you won't miss any you want to follow. Thanks for creating this! I can't wait to learn more about it and read what others have posted here.

[–]Fwort 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

My account is two weeks old now and i would like to create a sub. Where is the option to do so?

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Hi, you can just go to the main page of saidit and you will see the option listed below the "submit post" buttons on the top right

[–]Fwort 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Oh oops, I just realized that 12 days is actually not two weeks. ...not really sure how I missed that, sorry for bothering you.

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Haha no worries. :) If you need anything else just let me know

[–]Fwort 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Alright, thank you!

[–]Rowan 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Thank you for this forum. I don't have any questions (yet) just wanted to make my first post to establish myself and see how the formatting works. :)

[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Welcome!

[–]Rowan 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks

[–]rockzom 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Perfect. Reddit is dying.

[–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Indeed it is. Glad to see more people like yourself checking out alternatives like saidit. Welcome!

[–]Icalasari 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well liking the looks of this. I'm sticking around

[–]MrRubberDucky 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Hello everyone! Glad to be part of this :D

[–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hey, welcome!

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    [–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

    Welcome to saidit!

    [–]ProfessorSkittles 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    this place seems awesome. hoping it will catch on a bit

    [–]GeoffJop0908 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    This is actually pretty cool to hear. I need people to know about this site so that they can avoid the cancerous reddit. I guess you need to improve the design maybe like reddit because I’m pretty used to it. This is a new beginning for me and for everyone.

    [–]CoolTool 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    I got another quick question; is there any way to completely block certain users, so I don't see their content/comments? Some users go overboard and spam, trying to get banned by spewing profanities, and I would just prefer if I perhaps could click their name, and press "block/hide/ignore" etc.

    They should have their say, but it doesn't mean I should be forced to see it. So if there is a way, please let me know!

    [–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Not yet, but we're going to add it. There is an ignore function, but it currently only works for private messages.

    [–]CoolTool 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Ok, thanks again! Browsing by new on here really gave me the need for it, as some people definitely have some opinions I don't share here. And that's cool, they should have a platform for free speech, I just want to be able to choose not to see it :)

    [–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Yup, that completely makes sense! We will eventually get to it for sure.

    [–]Mad__cuz 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    yoo where the big subs at?

    [–]magnora7[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You can check out https://saidit.net/s/ to see all the subs listed in order by subscribers.

    [–]MaximilianKohler 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    On this page https://saidit.net/subs it would be nice to have a "1-50 of 226". As is, there's only a "next" button with no indication of how many pages or total subs.

    Also, any plans on preventing one sub from dominating a topic? Such as /s/science vs /s/sciences? On reddit, the latter one would virtually never be able to compete.

    Darto for example is trying to address this via:

    through a Discover page where users can find new and trending communities, a global tag system so one community doesn't own a specific topic

    Also, I think somewhere else you linked to a page of your "to do" list, but maybe add that link to this OP?

    [–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    We actually removed the numbers because we found them useless.

    Subs dominating topics is part and parcel of the sub system, it's how it works, for better or worse.

    We have the random sub button, that can help people discover stuff. Also the /all page. What do you imagine other than that?

    I think somewhere else you linked to a page of your "to do" list,

    Nope, definitely have never made that list public.

    [–]MaximilianKohler 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Subs dominating topics is part and parcel of the sub system, it's how it works, for better or worse.

    We have the random sub button, that can help people discover stuff. Also the /all page. What do you imagine other than that?

    I think what I quoted Darto doing seems pretty easy and great.

    For example, instead of subscribing people to all subs, have a page of categories, so when they choose "science" they get a page full of science-related subs to choose from. Probably with the name of each sub should be a short description that can be used to differentiate them.

    Subs dominating topics is part and parcel of the sub system, it's how it works, for better or worse.

    I think this is a pretty major flaw of reddit that can and should be addressed.

    [–]magnora7[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Oh another cool thing is that threads never lock automatically. On reddit they lock after 6 months.

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