Are gay people better off without Stonewall? Video debate with Stonewall, LGBA and others by millicentfawcett in LGBDropTheT

[–]Treeofthoughts 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I need to sit and listen to this.

I’ve also skipped around and listened to a rather scathing appraisal of stonewall from Kate.

The very fact that this is even a question shows how far stonewall has fallen. Can you think of any other charity where this would even be a question ? Are children better off without rhe RSPC, are homeless people better off without Shelter, are cancer patients better off without mcmillan ?! No clearly these charities represent and help those they are set up to help.

Homophobic attacks in Liverpool and stonewall continues to double down on a pseudo relgion that sex is fake and inner feelings of gender govern sexual orientation.

Trans acceptance will not be complete until forced sex from cis people is legislated by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Poverty can affect people in developed nations too and lead them to making choices like doing sex work out of desperation. When we talk about how sex work is bad for society as a whole, part of fixing that is addressing economic inequalities.

Trans acceptance will not be complete until forced sex from cis people is legislated by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I mean for fuck's sake, just because we as a society have normalized selling your body as a way to get money, doesn't mean we should accept that for perpetuity. We can raise our standards so that people aren't in poverty any more and don't feel like they have to resort to selling their bodies out of desperation. We as a society shouldn't ever feel like we have to sell our bodies as a last resort, period.

White people to be charged $50 in 'reparations' for Seattle Pride by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I saw a comment on Reddit about this that summed it up perfectly. Attendance will likely drop, and the TQ+ will likely blame LGB folks for it, drumming up vapid headlines like "White attendance at Pride has dropped and why it's a problem." as if a problem they created will be ours to fix.

The new homophobia, same as the old homophobia. But worse. by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]schomee 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do the upvotes bother you? Is that what it is? You're telling me to leave you alone while you obsess over my post and its upvotes that perfectly describe the dynamics going on? Thats the best you can do when confronted? Cowardice? Good for you. Now run along. No one is going to engage in your conspiracy of silence to indulge the egos of homophobes just because theyre not exactly straight. Pretty sure arguing against gay/lesbian civil rights is a big no no even if the person isn't straight. Go be a tumour somewhere else, ok little buddy?

I kissed a non-man and I liked it by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]DickFreeBacon🥓 | ♀️ | 🇵🇱 | SUPER🌈LESBIAN 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

🎶 I hope my birthing person don't mind it~ 🎵

And that entitles him to identify as TQ+ and lecture LGB people on sexual attraction by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]strawberrycake 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Most straight men don’t stand for this shit. I suspect you’re right since there was a self-identified gay man I met who only dates trans women and feminine guys. Nobody sane saw it as a contradiction.

And that entitles him to identify as TQ+ and lecture LGB people on sexual attraction by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]TiredTrendersSuper-gay 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, mine. Dude gives off the closet case vibe big time.

Behold - new definitions apply - a NB he/him lesbian = valid 💫 by Rag3 in LGBDropTheT

[–]strawberrycake 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

He’s hot. You think he’ll want to hook up if I identify as a lesbian for the night? He better not be one of those lesbians with a genital fetish I hear about 😤

White people to be charged $50 in 'reparations' for Seattle Pride by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"Reverse racism"? Nah, it's good ole' vanilla racism.

One would be a self-flagellating idiot to pay it.

The new homophobia, same as the old homophobia. But worse. by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]Destresse🇨🇵 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Oh man, I actually thought about her arguments until she, without realizing I suppose, gave herself away.

The point is this: coming out means your identity is fixed. And when you can't decide whether you're this or that label today, and you come out as 10 different things in the span of a year, it's embarrassing. So the entire concept of coming out, of fixed identity, of homosexuality, is wrong. She wrote this entire article to justify not being embarrassed 😳🤣

White people to be charged $50 in 'reparations' for Seattle Pride by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]ArthnoldManacatsamanOoh, flair. 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Satisfaction guaranteed or your breasts ba- oh no.

White people to be charged $50 in 'reparations' for Seattle Pride by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]Horror-Swordfish 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

"Pay reparations or stay home."

Okay, guess I'll stay home then. I wonder if that's going to backfire spectacularly for them or not.

White people to be charged $50 in 'reparations' for Seattle Pride by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]JulienMayfair 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In most circumstances, if you file a complaint with the city about something, the city will not tell the person you're complaining about who filed the complaint -- for obvious reasons -- but it seems that that's exactly what Seattle did.

White people to be charged $50 in 'reparations' for Seattle Pride by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]JulienMayfair 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Just in the interest of doing the "whole truth" thing, this is ONE event scheduled as part of Seattle Pride. You could go to Seattle Pride and not attend this particular event.

I'm sure there's a trans event where they'll let you in free and diagnose you as trans while-u-wait. Free HRT shots.

White people to be charged $50 in 'reparations' for Seattle Pride by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]Destresse🇨🇵 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"the LGBTQIA2S+ community"

Ah, when will they stop.

RA apology to artist Jess de Wahls for removing her works for supposed ‘transphobia’. Gender woo woo crowd lost! Usually suspects now trying to cancel the Royal Academy(Lol, founded in 1768, good luck Ayden), with much anger over the Pride flag RA is using. Die mad, b!tches by Midcentury in LGBDropTheT

[–]Horror-Swordfish 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I mean, yeah, but even if they did, I'd still say it's wrong to forcibly remove their works from being up for sale just because of that reason.

Obviously, a private company can do whatever they want and stock whatever they want in their shops, but just deciding to hurt this artist's livelihood over accusations is not right, regardless of what they're being accused of.

The new homophobia, same as the old homophobia. But worse. by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]ArthnoldManacatsamanOoh, flair. 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The fact that you just keep coming back like an aggressive cancer. Pyramid of debate be damned: fuck off.

Coming out as mild straight. Can’t be too spicy now… by Rag3 in LGBDropTheT

[–]our_team_is_winning 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes! This is a pornsick thing.

Maybe in the late 60s, young women who weren't promiscuous got called "squares," but for women (I think some gay men are the same but you tell me, guys) it's normal to get to know someone and actually like them before getting sexual. This is not news. And she's been married 10 years. She hasn't gotten to know her husband well enough yet? She said the kid's 5.

This is just stupid.

RA apology to artist Jess de Wahls for removing her works for supposed ‘transphobia’. Gender woo woo crowd lost! Usually suspects now trying to cancel the Royal Academy(Lol, founded in 1768, good luck Ayden), with much anger over the Pride flag RA is using. Die mad, b!tches by Midcentury in LGBDropTheT

[–]Horror-Swordfish 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

From the article:

“If an artist denied Jewish, black or gay people’s identity, most people would say that the Royal Academy would be right to remove their works from the gift shop. But when Jess denies trans people’s identity, she and other trans critics say that it’s her right to free speech and she should not be penalised. This smacks of double standards.”

Bullshit. "Most people" might say that it's right to remove those works in that case, but that wouldn't make it right. Can't we just let the market decide? If people think this person is so terrible, they can avoid buying her work. That doesn't give them the right to disallow any other person from buying her work.

The new homophobia, same as the old homophobia. But worse. by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]our_team_is_winning 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There’s a dominant cultural vision of what a coming out story looks like: a young person (most likely a cis white gay man) sits their parents down and tearfully tells them they are gay/queer.

Right off the bat, I know it's Woke BS. "cis white" --- let the struggle session begin.

However we cannot escape the fact that, generally, it is cis gay identities and not the vast spectrum of queer identities which have been given the biggest platform.

That sums up the whole thing. They demand the biggest platform. How dare the gay movement be about gay people!

The new homophobia, same as the old homophobia. But worse. by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]hhhhhhhhhhhhhhValidate yourself, don't get others to do it for you 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"The narrowness of the concept of coming out and the language we use to describe it means it is no longer politically useful or reflective of the spectrum of identities that make up the LGBTQIAA+ community."

"means it is no longer politically useful"

At least they admit they just see the experiences of gay men and lesbians as political tools. So validating uwu.

Also, how the fuck would a process of "inviting in" work? That just sounds like narcissism to me.

And that entitles him to identify as TQ+ and lecture LGB people on sexual attraction by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]TiredTrendersSuper-gay 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The mental gymnastics of these people is insane. You kissed guy pretending to be a womyn, you're definitely not exclusively hetero my dude.

White people to be charged $50 in 'reparations' for Seattle Pride by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]Preachy_Jerk 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not a lawyer, but if you're going to make a claim for damages, don't you need to prove that a) there was a duty of care and b) you yourself were harmed?

Did early Americans have a duty to free from bondage all those enslaved in pre-colonial African slave societies? No, of course not. Most of them would have been enslaved either way.

Have today's black Americans been harmed by the boat ride their ancestors were forced to take? No, they are far wealthier, healthier and better educated than the descendants of the enslaved Africans who were not brought to America.

Rather than cave to the demands of TQ+, Philly Pride Presents disbands their organization by NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void in LGBDropTheT

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I mean, we have to apologize for referring to males accurately as males, so I guess it's typical of them at this point. Objective reality is their sworn enemy.

The new homophobia, same as the old homophobia. But worse. by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]schomee 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

go ahead and explain to everyone here what you disagree with. the "homosexuality is a social construct and im a bisexual woman and everyone is fluid" critique i gave? The fact that i looked up the professor she quoted who, when gays and lesbians were at their most vulnerable trying to justify their humanity and have their dignity recognized as equals...she was busy writing "gays and lesbians dont need marriage!". go ahead and explain yourself.

Behold - new definitions apply - a NB he/him lesbian = valid 💫 by Rag3 in LGBDropTheT

[–]fijupanda 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

of course he is a lesbian with that bod. I'd let him roll all over my petty existence and the entirety of people formerly known as CENSORED for another peak at that wanker whose pecker is struggling to breathe in those pants and suffering from oxygen deprivation has no idea what a binary even is.

censored - actual lesbians

I kissed a non-man and I liked it by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]Feminist_AF 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

the taste of their/they/them’s chapstiiiiick

White people to be charged $50 in 'reparations' for Seattle Pride by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]fijupanda 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Damn, the woketopia is cheap these days. Back in my grandma's time, they had to give up their entire plot to the communists for the crimes of... having more food than other villagers.

You lucky Westerners, you.

The new homophobia, same as the old homophobia. But worse. by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The more gay people came out, so the thinking went, the more normalised gayness would become. However we cannot escape the fact that, generally, it is cis gay identities and not the vast spectrum of queer identities which have been given the biggest platform.

Wow how about that, homosexuals in a homosexual movement made coming out be about homo sexuality

The new homophobia, same as the old homophobia. But worse. by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

the whole article is just a semantics game pretending to be some high minded new concept of sharing info about yourself... don't come out! Invite the word IIIINNNNNNNNN!!!!

The new homophobia, same as the old homophobia. But worse. by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]ArthnoldManacatsamanOoh, flair. 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Christ it's you again. Do you not find this schtick exhausting?

I kissed a non-man and I liked it by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]fijupanda 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Like once upon a time Lao Tzu who tried to explain that all comes from the same source that splits into complimentary duality in order to form differences as an expression of itself and then forgets itself in order to experience seeming separateness, I too ponder and do wonder if these non binary folk with their non this binaries realize that they create more binaries, and more separations ad naseum or are they like a matroshka a non binary within a binary within a binary of the ultimate binary which is the non binary of non sense.

The new homophobia, same as the old homophobia. But worse. by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]sneeuweekhoorn 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Coming out is for people who are same-sex attracted. Not for assholes who think they're special because they don't like casual sex.

Coming out as mild straight. Can’t be too spicy now… by Rag3 in LGBDropTheT

[–]fijupanda 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Which part of asexuality is hard to understand? The not having sexual attractions towards anyone or what?

Demisexuals. Oh, I was so worried about them. I am like the average person that hops on any random passerby with a wink and maybe a chewing gum as an ice breaker.

gimme a break, special snowflakes.

White people to be charged $50 in 'reparations' for Seattle Pride by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]IridescentAnacondaI'm super, thank you for asking! 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The urban parts of the PNW (Seattle, Portland) are the whitest cities in the US. And also the most vociferously woque.

Rather than cave to the demands of TQ+, Philly Pride Presents disbands their organization by NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void in LGBDropTheT

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

“You think about what Pride has become in Philadelphia for instance – the streets are being flooded with alcohol or corporate sponsorships, and over-the-top performances,” Stephens wrote. “This is all a facade that is hiding a lot of pain that our community is still dealing with. While we party, some people can’t even afford to get into the events. While we’re partying and celebrating, there are people who are living at or under the poverty line, who are suffering with all sorts of inequities in every key area of our lives. That’s a problem, and we’re not addressing that in a way that I and other people are deeming appropriate.”

Another thing to add to the pile of things we as gay people in a lgb rights movement have to fix, poverty.

Rather than cave to the demands of TQ+, Philly Pride Presents disbands their organization by NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void in LGBDropTheT

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

How are they supposed to be properly centered now?!

White people to be charged $50 in 'reparations' for Seattle Pride by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]yousaythosethingsWomXXn 👩‍❤️‍👩 WomXXn 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Seems like a large chunk of the white people who would be into this will also be unable to afford this. So they want it to be minorities and wealthy white people? Weird.

Also, generational blame is very North Korean.

White people to be charged $50 in 'reparations' for Seattle Pride by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]AugustiJade 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

LGB acceptance is on the decline all across the west, thanks to the TQ.

Behold - new definitions apply - a NB he/him lesbian = valid 💫 by Rag3 in LGBDropTheT

[–]julesburm1891 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I really don’t understand how stuff like this doesn’t just instantly peak everyone.

The new homophobia, same as the old homophobia. But worse. by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]julesburm1891 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

…the overwhelming majority of humanity is straight. People are going to assume other people are straight unless they’re told otherwise. So, yeah, LGB do have to come out.

RA apology to artist Jess de Wahls for removing her works for supposed ‘transphobia’. Gender woo woo crowd lost! Usually suspects now trying to cancel the Royal Academy(Lol, founded in 1768, good luck Ayden), with much anger over the Pride flag RA is using. Die mad, b!tches by Midcentury in LGBDropTheT

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

More drama ensues. Their communication manager apparently put out a hastily deleted tweet signalling the apology is not sincere and essentially to cover their asses: https://twitter.com/LottieHistory/status/1407665112119451650

It's possible the communication manager is at odds with actual executives in charge of decision making at the Royal Academy and that's what caused this, or that the Royal Academy indeed doesn't give a fuck about de Wahls and is in legal damage control mode. Either way, this dude's an idiot and should never work as a comms manager for a company again, ever.

Rather than cave to the demands of TQ+, Philly Pride Presents disbands their organization by NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void in LGBDropTheT

[–]hufflepuff-poet 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Telling the truth about gay history is now something we have to apologize for?

White people to be charged $50 in 'reparations' for Seattle Pride by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]julesburm1891 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I just looked up Seattle’s demographics—65% white, 7% black, and pretty much everyone else is Asian or biracial. Singling out the majority of the city to virtue signal is a weird flex, but okay.

Coming out as mild straight. Can’t be too spicy now… by Rag3 in LGBDropTheT

[–]sadbihours 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I’m so glad June is almost over

Rather than cave to the demands of TQ+, Philly Pride Presents disbands their organization by NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void in LGBDropTheT

[–]schomee 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"disallowed a smooth transition of power". What in god's name gave them the sense of entitlement that they were even entitled to this "power grab". They dont even try to do it quietly lol

Rather than cave to the demands of TQ+, Philly Pride Presents disbands their organization by NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void in LGBDropTheT

[–]schomee 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

im guessing this is the same pride committee filled with normal sane people who had to deal with the pride organizers that made national news because of the "whites pay money and black LGBTQRS people dont" venues they tried to set up.

And if anyone is wondering, that brown streak of shit smeared against the rainbow pride flag was the creation of an activist from philadelphia. So thats the environment this drama comes from.

The new homophobia, same as the old homophobia. But worse. by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]schomee 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's interesting how all these hyper aggressive ideas that bisexuals have are never pushed against heterosexuals. The writer is a bisexual and thinks this is about her personal dating life and drama (a particular user here has those same beliefs) and in no way tied to actual, legitimate human rights.

She quotes a professor who i looked up (who happens to be a huge clown..and also a bisexual) who claims coming out is wrong because it heavily relies on and has the heritage of "homosexuals" coming out and homosexuality doesnt really exist because it historically never existed as a category (it's a social construct). And the concept of coming out doesnt serve bisexuals and the 300 other letters within the community because it's not about them and they're just sO FluId so "coming out" would mean they were lying all along!

Everything she says is correct if you see gays/lesbians and their identities and their communities as nothing more than a dating/sex scene that emerged for the benefit of others (we all know a particular user here that does believes this) instead of a 600 year struggle. Her vapid analysis doesnt even begin to scratch the surface of who and what gays/lesbians are. Yes... red is a social construct. Doesnt mean atoms dont reflect certain frequencies of light.

Homosexuals are a social construct but we can practice her ideas and go back to the utopia when everyone was "fluid"..which was medieval times. Homosexuality was an act and heterosexuality was a union. Homosexuality was grouped with beastiality, rape, domination, pedophilia and heterosexuality was an act you did before your god and empire. And she is correct, plenty of people trashed homosexuality as an act because of how their minds worked. I think we've all met them before. Hmmmm, i wonder what name we would give them today for their depraved sex acts: "im a bisexual but i can have no romantic or emotional bonds with the same sex. I love the opposite sex and want to start a family with them and pour all my love into this relationship but sometimes i like indulging in my fetish for the same sex and im valid!". And people wonder why homosexuality got such a bad reputation in those days and christians are convinced gays/lesbians are incapable of emotional bonds. So yes, we were all "blended" as a community and look where it got us. If we dont separate ourselves from these people, they'll end up ruining everything we worked for.

Gay/Lesbian love builds our community, not sex. And if you dont think people like this are dangerous, look up the bisexual professor's essays on why gays/lesbians dont need equal marriage rights.

And the comments are laughable as well. "This professor is sooo right! im a woman married to a man and sometimes i feel fluid so coming out of the closet feels like i was deceiving people but i didnt know i was bi until i was 30!". OK? So what? People like her dont build or create or sacrifice. It's the people who had to "come out" that built the spaces she feels should accommodate her.

White people to be charged $50 in 'reparations' for Seattle Pride by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]NeedMoreCoffee~=[,,_,,]=^_^= 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

it's already happening.

RA apology to artist Jess de Wahls for removing her works for supposed ‘transphobia’. Gender woo woo crowd lost! Usually suspects now trying to cancel the Royal Academy(Lol, founded in 1768, good luck Ayden), with much anger over the Pride flag RA is using. Die mad, b!tches by Midcentury in LGBDropTheT

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, I agree. Recent legal precedents almost certainly were a factor in swaying pressure to Jess de Wahls' favor here. This is a very positive sign.

The new homophobia, same as the old homophobia. But worse. by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]hufflepuff-poet 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

However we cannot escape the fact that, generally, it is cis gay identities and not the vast spectrum of queer identities which have been given the biggest platform. "Coming out as a singular process," writes Suzanna, "depended on the establishment of a gay identity and a gay movement to make it happen." In other words, for the coming out narrative to be successful, you need the category of 'the homosexual' – and while we may imagine that to have always existed, it’s very much a 20th century phenomenon. As Suzanna writes: "As many historians and theorists have convincingly argued, the homosexual as a distinct category, a demarcated identity (rather than, say, a set of possible sexual acts or preferences) is a very modern invention, as is the heterosexual."

The narrowness of the concept of coming out and the language we use to describe it means it is no longer politically useful or reflective of the spectrum of identities that make up the LGBTQIAA+ community

Gay people have to "come out" if we want to live our lives openly and date or have sex or find a long-term partner! As a lesbian, if I stay closeted, I either have to hide my girlfriend and our relationship or I have to stay single, same for gay men. Because straight is the default in society. Nothing changes if you "stay in the closet" as a demisexual greyace pansexual transfemme, to your relationships (family, friends, coworkers, community), dating or sex life. You just show the world your raging narcissism.

Coming out and Pride are for same-sex attracted people! Lesbians, gays and bisexuals. Not straight people lacking personalities.

Rather than cave to the demands of TQ+, Philly Pride Presents disbands their organization by NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void in LGBDropTheT

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Articles like this should be the canary in the coalmine and should peak the fuck out of LGB people.

Philly Pride Presents had recently been under intense scrutiny, starting with backlash from a June 10 Facebook post about the history of the Stonewall Riots which contained language including “those dressed as women,"

Seriously, imagine generating backlash over a statement like "drag queens are men, usually gay men, who dress and perform as women". This is an accurate statement. But because the trans community insists on the lie that Stonewall was started by someone black and trans as a way of crafting a false hero for people to have to worship, truth is being labelled as bigotry. It's insane.

I kissed a non-man and I liked it by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]strawberrysun 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I hate the "non-men" bullshit so much. I can't believe they don't see how sexist it is.

Also, little boys are technically "non-men" so lots of unfortunate implications there...

RA apology to artist Jess de Wahls for removing her works for supposed ‘transphobia’. Gender woo woo crowd lost! Usually suspects now trying to cancel the Royal Academy(Lol, founded in 1768, good luck Ayden), with much anger over the Pride flag RA is using. Die mad, b!tches by Midcentury in LGBDropTheT

[–]millicentfawcett 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I suspect the reports that Jess was considering legal action focused their minds, especially in light of the Forstater judgement. Had Jess crowdfunded I think she would have raised the costs in a few hours.

RA apology to artist Jess de Wahls for removing her works for supposed ‘transphobia’. Gender woo woo crowd lost! Usually suspects now trying to cancel the Royal Academy(Lol, founded in 1768, good luck Ayden), with much anger over the Pride flag RA is using. Die mad, b!tches by Midcentury in LGBDropTheT

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hahahah.

Considering how strong the TQ+ lobby is right now in the field of arts, I'm pleasantly surprised by how quickly they smartened up and reversed course on this.

Rather than cave to the demands of TQ+, Philly Pride Presents disbands their organization by NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void in LGBDropTheT

[–]NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void[S] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

lmao, I was sharing this article with our other mods while SaidIt was down, and I shit you not ... that quote was the one that stuck out to me too.

Selfish little whiny asshole, "LGB robbed us of our chance to completely colonize their events, how dare they!"

Rather than cave to the demands of TQ+, Philly Pride Presents disbands their organization by NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void in LGBDropTheT

[–]ArthnoldManacatsamanOoh, flair. 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I admire that they didn't cave into the mob, but the mob still won. The witches may never have confessed but they were still thrown into the river.

LGBTQ community leader Kendall Stephens told PGN in a written statement: “The disbandment of PPP robbed the QTBIPOC community of an opportunity to be properly honored and represented in Pride Month festivities and disallowed a smooth transition of power and responsibility over Philly pride events to transpire.

Gosh, that's a telling acronym, isn't it?

The new homophobia, same as the old homophobia. But worse. by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]Treeofthoughts 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Cant read it all.

But basically screw gay people, our trials and tribulations and the discrimination we face, and move over and listen to the true and meaningful stories about heterosexuals.

The last mountain to climb for gay rights is to ensure that we centre the “normal” straight people and thier plight and stop going on about our wierd lives and problems.

Are gay people better off without Stonewall? Video debate with Stonewall, LGBA and others by millicentfawcett in LGBDropTheT

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This took place last night with Tortoise Media as the host. Features Jan Gooding former SW Chair, Christine Burns retired trans rights activist, both Kate and Bev from the LGB Alliance. Other recognisable names such as Jonny Best and I think Ben Cohen make an appearance too.

I've not watched it fully in a linear fashion, just skipped around to listen to various bits. Kate from the LGBA really came out guns blazing! Jonny was pretty good too.

Not sure it will change anything as the parting remarks by Jan don't seem to acknowledge the validity of other views especially the gay men and lesbians who spoke about the redefining of sexuality.

White people to be charged $50 in 'reparations' for Seattle Pride by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Seattle Pride is lying while trying to justify it, claiming Pride "only exists because of Black trans women" and that any criticism is quote "perpetuating a serious level of danger and harm to Black folks": https://i.redd.it/rbt9sotaw0771.jpg

Rather than cave to the demands of TQ+, Philly Pride Presents disbands their organization by NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void in LGBDropTheT

[–]NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

BONUS MATERIAL

Sunday Social - open chat! by TumbleweedFireflies🍷 your ol' drunk mod in LGBDropTheT

[–]NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I notice that they do that most often under 2 conditions:

1) If I've been mass-archiving things back-to-back (like 5 or 6 articles within seconds of each other)
2) When they have THOUSANDS of items in the queue to be archived (I JUST went to archive something, and it's registering at number 12,642 in the queue)

And that entitles him to identify as TQ+ and lecture LGB people on sexual attraction by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Anyone else's gaydar going off like crazy just looking at this dude?

Trans U.S. veterans to be offered gender surgery for first time. by pacmanla in LGBDropTheT

[–]NutterButterFlutterStill waving into the void[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children)

Removing for rule 2, this would be better for a Gender Critical sub or s/ThereAreTwoGenders

White people to be charged $50 in 'reparations' for Seattle Pride by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]SolRosenberg 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Honestly I don't feel bad for these two. I'd bet money they've fostered shithole Seattle's woke climate. Probably even voted for the city government to enforce the woke. You made your bed.....

This make my heart hurt and I can’t decide if it’s just basic homophobia or that mixed with watching the TRA shitshow in the West. by julesburm1891 in LGBDropTheT

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed; the TQ+ community takes for granted how much progress has been made in North America and Europe and acts as if there's no importance to campaigning for LGB causes any more. The reality is that there are many parts of the world like Russia that are still not LGB friendly whatsoever, and that where being killed for being gay or lesbian is a very real possibility.

This make my heart hurt and I can’t decide if it’s just basic homophobia or that mixed with watching the TRA shitshow in the West. by julesburm1891 in LGBDropTheT

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't think we will fully be able to see and comprehend the societal damage the TQ+ movement has caused to LGB until decades later. I am truly scared our progress on social issues has hit a major setback with the rise of trans activism infecting and demanding it control every single LGB space.

The new homophobia, same as the old homophobia. But worse. by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]ArthnoldManacatsamanOoh, flair. 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

God I need to take a fucking break from the internet for today.

White people to be charged $50 in 'reparations' for Seattle Pride by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Two wrongs don't make a right. You don't enact divisive racial policies as a cure for racism enacted by entirely different people. They're right that Martin Luther King Jr. would find this ridiculous and not just ineffective at ending racism, it would rather exacerbate tensions by encouraging people to perpetually milk money out of cries of racism.

And let's be honest; the only caucasian people who'd even think about attending and paying this fee are wokesters. This means that this fee punishes people who likely aren't racist, with the sins of people who are racist, without ever addressing the root causes of societal inequality (poverty, mostly) at the government level.

It's an incredibly myopic thing to do that will in no way address racism whatsoever.

White people to be charged $50 in 'reparations' for Seattle Pride by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's really shocking and sad how we've now got this idea that everyone must give personal venmo handouts as penance for stuff their ancestors did to someone else's ancestors. It's such an idiotic idea, not to mention incredibly half-assed compared to actually doing something that benefits society as a whole like working towards an equitable country for all with strong societal protections for everyone (nordic model countries are a role model here).

Martin Luther King Jr. would be rolling in his grave if he saw how everyone now thinks these shitty instant gratification measures somehow fight racism.

White people to be charged $50 in 'reparations' for Seattle Pride by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]ArthnoldManacatsamanOoh, flair. 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This just makes me sad, they look like decent people who were trying to do what they thought was right and these wokesters (who I assume also thought they were doing what was right but still) shat all over them and told them to 'shut up'. Classic lady-shaming.

Anyone more versed in US law able to shed some light on the legality of this? I'm sure this is very unlikely to be a Supreme Court issue since it's just going to be some nutters in a tent in Seattle, but differential, race-based pricing doesn't seem very constitutional to me...

I kissed a non-man and I liked it by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Even major authors struggle to remember what it was before we starting calling them non-man and People Who Menstruate. What could the word possibly be?

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1269382518362509313

White people to be charged $50 in 'reparations' for Seattle Pride by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]Chunkeeguy[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I suspect it's mostly (but not entirely) white woketards.

I kissed a non-man and I liked it by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Apparently you can only define women in relation to their status as not-men. It's not grossly sexist, it's stunning and brave!

I kissed a non-man and I liked it by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If only we had a word for "non-man" that fully encompassed the meaning of "an adult human who is not a man".

This casual erasure of the female sex and casually defining women is if men were the default is incredibly sexist and irritating.

White people to be charged $50 in 'reparations' for Seattle Pride by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]silentdraperunners 11 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Racism is ok when it's against whites!

Black and brown woke people need to get over their victim complex yesterday. I'm sick hearing about it.

Coming out as mild straight. Can’t be too spicy now… by Rag3 in LGBDropTheT

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's so true that these people are unbearable and exhausting. It's a cry for attention.

Coming out as mild straight. Can’t be too spicy now… by Rag3 in LGBDropTheT

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

"I don't like casual sex but I can't function or cope unless I slap a label on it I can pin on myself to make me look special."

RA apology to artist Jess de Wahls for removing her works for supposed ‘transphobia’. Gender woo woo crowd lost! Usually suspects now trying to cancel the Royal Academy(Lol, founded in 1768, good luck Ayden), with much anger over the Pride flag RA is using. Die mad, b!tches by Midcentury in LGBDropTheT

[–]SuperGayIsOkay 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wouldn't be so quick to burn bridges. It's possible there's multiple groups of people in charge of the decision making at the Royal Academy and there was an intervention by the higher ups about what their correct position was. The initial cries of transphobia may have come from someone with the Royal Academy who had access to their social media accounts, but less authority in terms of decision making.

They fucked up, and admitted they fucked up. This is progress as far as I'm concerned, we're headed in the right direction.

White people to be charged $50 in 'reparations' for Seattle Pride by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]hufflepuff-poet 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So gay people are raising money to pay for reparations for Black people at Pride now?! These two things are not related, same-sex attraction and racism...

White people to be charged $50 in 'reparations' for Seattle Pride by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]Chunkeeguy[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

White people to be charged $50 in 'reparations' for Seattle Pride by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]Rag3 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

🤣🤣 if true, this is hilarious. Wokeness at its zenith. No way anything could go wrong after this!

White people to be charged $50 in 'reparations' for Seattle Pride by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]cutenoobies 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

These western (mostly american) TQ activists/extremists are gonna ruin LGB activism in other countries that haven't made homosexuality legal yet. We all look mad, insane and deranged just by association.

White people to be charged $50 in 'reparations' for Seattle Pride by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]DickFreeBacon🥓 | ♀️ | 🇵🇱 | SUPER🌈LESBIAN 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How to fight racism?

With more racism!

I kissed a non-man and I liked it by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]firemonke8brown gay 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

There used to be a word for non-man people, I wonder what it is

Coming out as mild straight. Can’t be too spicy now… by Rag3 in LGBDropTheT

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Quite right; I must unpack my linguistic preferences and do better.

Coming out as mild straight. Can’t be too spicy now… by Rag3 in LGBDropTheT

[–]Rag3[S] 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I just had to share it here since saidit was down yesterday. Gotta get LGBs takes on this madness 😂.

White people to be charged $50 in 'reparations' for Seattle Pride by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]ArthnoldManacatsamanOoh, flair. 15 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This is everything I hate distilled into a single maelstrom of woke. It's beautiful in its simplicity, in a way.

Coming out as mild straight. Can’t be too spicy now… by Rag3 in LGBDropTheT

[–]DickFreeBacon🥓 | ♀️ | 🇵🇱 | SUPER🌈LESBIAN 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Haven't you learned by now?

Words don't have meaning!

I kissed a non-man and I liked it by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]hufflepuff-poet 21 insightful - 4 fun21 insightful - 3 fun22 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Thank goodness, I'm a lesbian attracted to women 🏳️‍🌈 and not a fake lesbian attracted to non-men then. Bullshit predator flag 🙄

I kissed a non-man and I liked it by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 14 insightful - 9 fun14 insightful - 8 fun15 insightful - 9 fun -  (0 children)

my hamster is a non man does he count

Progress = Everyone is Pansexual? Thanks, BBC. by julesburm1891 in LGBDropTheT

[–]latuspodSuper Straight 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Women being bi was also a fad when I was in highschool and college. All of my female friends claimed to be bi, I don't think any of them actually were. I don't imagine that fad has died down with all the gender identity nonsense these days.

Coming out as mild straight. Can’t be too spicy now… by Rag3 in LGBDropTheT

[–]PatsyStone 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is a system being imposed by straight people, presumably promiscuous and emotionally detached ones.

I think this is related to pornography taking over as the main exposure regular people have to sex. If porn is normal, normal people aren't.

Coming out as mild straight. Can’t be too spicy now… by Rag3 in LGBDropTheT

[–]ArthnoldManacatsamanOoh, flair. 9 insightful - 4 fun9 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

What part of 'no sexual attraction' #I'm #QUEER #and #special #centre #me is not clear?

FTFY.

Coming out as mild straight. Can’t be too spicy now… by Rag3 in LGBDropTheT

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 14 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

only sexually interested after a relationship/friendship is established, part of the asexual spectrum

They're not ace at all then. What part of 'no sexual attraction' is not clear?

Coming out as mild straight. Can’t be too spicy now… by Rag3 in LGBDropTheT

[–]ArthnoldManacatsamanOoh, flair. 20 insightful - 10 fun20 insightful - 9 fun21 insightful - 10 fun -  (0 children)

Some of my favourite comments from the ladies over at Ovarit:

Wanting connection and having standards before you put out makes you asexual now? That is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. -Boudicaea


These people are absolutely UNBEARABLE. Being lesbian or gay is NOT a trendy new pair of shoes. These are the most uncaring, unsympathetic fuckwits I’ve ever come across. - IrishTheFrenchie


How many family members will cut off contact?

After they find out that she only has sexual relationships with people of the opposite sex after a friendship or deep emotional connection is formed? Probably all of them! I wouldn't want MY children around that filth. - Hypatia


Ugh, how can a grown-ass adult post something like this on social media and not die of embarrassment. - Shadoe


Why is there no option for "get a hobby" ? - Bellatrixbells

Coming out as mild straight. Can’t be too spicy now… by Rag3 in LGBDropTheT

[–]Socialjustus 18 insightful - 6 fun18 insightful - 5 fun19 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

Translation: My low libido is killing my marriage, and I do not wish to seek medical help.

💖 Does that make me a special magical pixie?

👍 How can I make this a gay rights issue?