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[–]bastetkat 76 insightful - 9 fun76 insightful - 8 fun77 insightful - 9 fun -  (31 children)

I'm no raging trans activist. I just want to live my life as a woman. I'm not here to cause any shit.👏I 👏 just 👏 want 👏 to 👏 live

If he truly meant that, he would just leave lesbians alone and let us have our own dating apps/spaces.

[–]Lessom 62 insightful - 2 fun62 insightful - 1 fun63 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

They always say we just want to live. Nobody is stopping them, they are the ones that are constantly harassing other people.

[–]8bitgay 32 insightful - 4 fun32 insightful - 3 fun33 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

I mean, nobody is stopping you from making an app only for transpeople and people who are OK with dating transpeople. Make a pan app, I dunno. I think this is a time the pansexual label would be valid, to identify people who feel attracted to trans.

That is the weird thing, they might say "I just want to live" but somehow having sex with gays and lesbians is part of just living? I mean, lots of gay men have trouble finding dates, finding love, having sex, etc., it isn't easy for anyone. But when it comes to transpeople not only they think it should be easy, they also think it should be a basic right.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

That will not work too. In Vancouver they had already oppened "Transgender's Library", and yet they still came at openning of "Women's Library" and sabotaged it for not including transgenders. They can have their own clubs without anyone else, but everyone else can't and must include them.

[–][deleted] 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

THEY DID THAT FOR A FUCKING RAPE SHELTER. Nothing is ever enough.

[–]julesburm1891[S] 50 insightful - 2 fun50 insightful - 1 fun51 insightful - 2 fun -  (17 children)

Here’s what I don’t get: being mad that a specific subset of the population doesn’t want to date you and relentlessly pursuing that subset. Dude, just go after people who might possibly want you and stop wasting your time along with everyone else’s.

[–]just_lesbian_things 38 insightful - 1 fun38 insightful - 0 fun39 insightful - 1 fun -  (15 children)

I can't relate to the mentality either. Even if it was "bigotry", so what? If I was head over heels for a woman who didn't want to date me because she sees me as less than human, I wouldn't beg her for a chance. I would be concerned with how I fell for someone like that in the first place.

Their mentality is one of entitlement and male socialization, especially in a heterosexual context. They view women as coveted objects, prizes to earn. They're angry because they think they've been denied the fair shot they feel entitled to. It's the incel/nice guy "why won't these uppity bitches give me a chance" mentality.

[–]julesburm1891[S] 40 insightful - 1 fun40 insightful - 0 fun41 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

One time I asked out a woman I’d been crushing on for a while and her response was, “Oh, no. Sorry. I don’t like gingers.” My response was, “Oh, okay.” Then I moved on with my life and, a few weeks later, asked a woman who was into redheads out to dinner. (She said yes and we ended up dating for a while.) I didn’t whine about it online, demand the first woman pretend to like my hair, or dye my hair blonde and claim she had no reason to say no.

A decade later and I still feel like that is the sane response everyone should have upon facing rejection.

[–]BigMommyMilkersYes, they're real 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

You mean you didn't blast her all over social media on how she's a gingerphobic bigot? Wow

[–]julesburm1891[S] 7 insightful - 7 fun7 insightful - 6 fun8 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

Um, excuse you. I identified as blonde and threatened to kill myself if everyone around me didn’t pretend my Weasley-red hair looked exactly like Marilyn Monroe’s.

[–]BigMommyMilkersYes, they're real 4 insightful - 6 fun4 insightful - 5 fun5 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

Truly stunning and brave, you are a hero among us all.

[–]8bitgay 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This reminds me this chubby guy who went complaining about fatphobia on social media because I "rejected" him. Funny thing is that I didn't even reject him, I simply wasn't available the day he asked me out. I found him attractive, but that was a huge red flag.

[–]LesbiSilly 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I honestly have a thing for gingers. Pardon me. XD

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s a tacit admission that they know no one would want them if they were given free will. So they would prefer to have an excuse for why no one wants to date them that allows them to cast the blame entirely on others and themselves as victims.

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 33 insightful - 4 fun33 insightful - 3 fun34 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

And make an entire post about it and saying we're TERFs. But NoooOooOoo, we just want to leAaave in PeeAce, don't want to make any troUblE. Why do they care SO much about what we think of them?!?!?!? Like there ARE people in the world who would date trans people, but they somehow manage to be obsessed with the ones that don't want them?!?!?!

[–]FrostyNugsI'm allergic to nuts 26 insightful - 2 fun26 insightful - 1 fun27 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly! There are already so many dating apps that are inclusive to transgender people. They specifically seek out any space that doesn't go out of the way to include them because the idea that lesbians might want a dating app without uwu girldick makes these guys so mad.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 23 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Well when the only basis for your “identity” as a woman/lesbian consists of harassing women this is “just trying to live their [fake] lives” to them. Because if they’re just sitting alone by themselves or engaging in daily life activities like a normal human being, there’s nothing to demonstrate to themselves and others that they’re lesbians, and they’re painfully aware of this.

When they go out and about, no matter how they act or dress, how much they talk about their attraction to women and lack of attraction to men, or how many times they reference whatever memes about the fake lesbian culture they’ve invented in their anime-filled heads, no one in their right mind will independently draw the conclusion that they’re lesbians. That’s why they’re the only people going around spaces announcing that they’re “lesbians” to anyone who will listen.

So the only means for these incels to interact with lesbians (or any kind of woman) is to do this kind of shit. They know we want to be left alone and they want to make sure we never forget them for one minute. Because without shit like this they are just a community of men sharing anime pics of the teenage girls they wish they were to each other. It’s like a type of trauma bonding, between themselves and between them and lesbians.

[–]saged 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

or just go to the other fucking sites/places he and his gang have taken over. It's just like r/gaybros one SMALL space on the internet isn't 100% what they want so they run in and try to either take it over, change it or get it banned. There's plenty of spaces for them, both spaces they took by force or that was created for them.

Lowkey, I think it bothers them that once they take over a space, most of the Cis women leave and transbiens take over. Since most are straight men, they want to be with the women, not with their fellow trans.

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (2 children)

Transbians flirting with each other:

  • deep voice you're so cute

  • another deep voice suck my girldick

  • suck mine too

  • were so lesbians uwu

[–][deleted] 4 insightful - 4 fun4 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

as if transbians ever want to date actual other transbians LOL

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah it was wishful thinking 😂😂

[–]macaron 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Saying they are actual women and not a transwoman means they don't just 'want to live'. They are claiming an identity that doesn't belong to them and creating conflict.

[–]FrostyNugsI'm allergic to nuts 49 insightful - 11 fun49 insightful - 10 fun50 insightful - 11 fun -  (1 child)

"I'm a female, however I was assigned male at birth"

Lmao no buddy you're a male taking horse piss pills to grow moobs

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 10 insightful - 4 fun10 insightful - 3 fun11 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Cutting but true.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 41 insightful - 9 fun41 insightful - 8 fun42 insightful - 9 fun -  (4 children)

So they are a "woman" and also "FEMALE" and has male genitals? Sure. Definitely understands biology.

[–]julesburm1891[S] 22 insightful - 5 fun22 insightful - 4 fun23 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

That was my reaction as well. Like, nah dude, you aren’t female and that’s why you’re so butthurt about this.

[–]insta 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Don't you love how the moment they started to win that debate they just dropped the differences between man vs male / woman vs female. A year or two ago every TRA sympathizer was lecturing everyone on the differences between gender and sex and the moment they got their foot in the door they just took both terms and moved on.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Well a while back I did actually have that argument with "uneducated" transgender people online. The gender studies ones were generally more correct but the standard pleb transpeople didn't really understand the difference any more than a regular person did. Now the ignorant position of not understanding the difference is recited at you like an educated position.

[–]insta 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The gender studies ones were generally more correct but the standard pleb transpeople didn't really understand the difference any more than a regular person did.

A lot of politics really doesn't come down to correctness or truth. It's really just comes down to power politics and social engineering. Do you think any of those "correct" gender studies people will be correcting the masses that are behind them on these issues? Nope. They've won that ground so they're just off to push the agenda somewhere else with their apologia. If they are confronted on it sure they might throw some TRA idiots under the bus but they're not off lecturing your average mindnumb progressive about the differences between "male vs man" once they're already on their side. Their goal was to get political influence and power, and now that they're gaining momentum they don't care about the narratives from 2 years ago.

I think people often fasten the lens of "truth" or "rationality" too tightly onto their face when dealing with politics. I run into too many people who are in a state of delusion that humans are completely rational people and only need to be exposed to certain studies or facts and will change their minds.

[–]oofreesouloo⚡super lesbian⚡ 36 insightful - 2 fun36 insightful - 1 fun37 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I just don't understand why they're so obsessed with us? 😅 Why can't lesbians have something for ourselves for once?! I mean, trans people can have all the place they want exclusively for them. But God forbid lesbians for having ONE, only freaking ONE dating app for ourselves when there are several others trans inclusive.

[–]Poppy29252Natal Cat Woman 25 insightful - 3 fun25 insightful - 2 fun26 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

We're the ultimate validation factory.

[–]insta 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I just don't understand why they're so obsessed with us?

I like how the motivating factor for downloading the app was the validation the app gave this person of their "beauty". It's insane to me how much of this trans movement can be boiled down to "find me attractive".

Like I'm willing to have a discussion of "Trans people shouldn't be denied housing because of their identity" but so much of their activism is stepped in "fuck me or else you're a bigot".

[–]macaron 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is what I hate. Why can only trans people have trans only spaces? Offline and online. Women only (female women) or lesbian only, etc, then it's hateful and bigoted, blah blah blah

[–]macaron 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is what I hate. Why can only trans people have trans only spaces? Offline and online. Women only (female women) or lesbian only, etc, then it's hateful and bigoted, blah blah blah

[–]GConly 32 insightful - 1 fun32 insightful - 0 fun33 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm a woman, and I'm a female, however, I was assigned male at birth.

No you are not female or a woman.

[–]aftx 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

at first they made a distinction as "female being sex, women being gender", and now that people are using that point to point out differences, they're blurring the word usage there too

[–]yishengqingwa666Adult Human Female 31 insightful - 2 fun31 insightful - 1 fun32 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If you want to see the true nature of a man, tell him 'no'.

[–]LasagnaRossa 29 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 0 fun30 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I mean, if someone felt the need to have a dating app for a specific purpose, let them be...

"But that's terfy!" Who cares? They wouldn't have dated you anyway! Its a service for everyone, really.

[–]marmorsymphata 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

There is literally a dating app out there called "elite singles" that supposedly excludes dumb people. And elderly dating apps that exclude cougar chasers and such. And dating apps like "Farmers Only".

Getting mad because you're not let on a dating app is really the peak of stupidity.

[–]julesburm1891[S] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Exactly. He’s wasting his time along with lesbians’ time.

[–]RippoffOfLoveSStraight | Overuses quotation marks 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

That would be the thought process of a sane person. Which is why it's not coming from any of them.

[–]8bitgay 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I used to have a better view on truscum. I've seen some reasonable comments there even this week, but it seems like recently there are more and more anti-LG comments there. I wonder if the TRA narrative is getting stronger across different groups, or maybe the sub was always like that and I just didn't see enough of it before.

It's funny because the TRA/tucutes hate truscums. Yet here you have truscums sharing the same TRA narrative.

I'm absolutely fine with a woman saying to me that they don't want to date / sleep with me if I have male genitals, I'm not here to enforce that on anyone. I don't want to date you either in that case. Does it hurt? Yeah, but it saves us both grief that way.

I mean, this is an inch better than TRA I guess, since TRA would have said that the woman is transphobic. So close yet so far. If you think this saves you both grief, wouldn't an app that makes it clear save you both grief too? I don't expect to find a date in a straight nightclub, and it saves me grief if I know which nightclub has a straight audience and which one has a gay audience.

and I'm kinda pleased to have beat the system.

So in the end it was all just about a shallow try at self validation? ...

[–]julesburm1891[S] 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Later on in the thread a user talks about how photos of cats have beaten the AI. (Frankly, it does sound like Giggle’s system needs work.) But, is fooling an AI so faulty that it mistakes cats for human really something to brag about?

[–]deliciousdogfoodmy name isnt a puppyplay reference i swear 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Facial Recognition AI is basically still in its germinal phase. A halfway well drawn face drawn on a cantaloupe with sharpie, and a dollar store halloween wig could probably fool a few of them.

[–][deleted] 16 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It'd just be nice to go on a social app for women and not see men. At some point that was a reasonable request.

[–]ns_for_work 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Wasn't giggle that women's social app and not a lesbian dating app? I remember tras got really mad at the idea

[–]julesburm1891[S] 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I actually kind of remember the creator of Giggle having a long post on GC several months ago about how that experience peaked her. Maybe she’s found a new niche market to fill?

[–]PeakingPeachEaterfemale♀ | detrans🦎 | eater of peaches 🍑 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I was looking into the Giggle app to see if it was female-centric only but found this:

https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3982978-Giggle-app-for-girls-only#prettyPhoto

They say the creator is "flip-flopping" her views by stating that males who had feminization surgery and "pass" as women are welcomed, but if those men haven't they are not (See FAQ "Why is Giggle Female Only": https://joinagiggle.com/faq/). Then, she said that biological women who identify as men are not allowed...

[–]aftx 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

jesus, "terfs"/"GC" are still just SJWs. they're throwing a fit over the sex work part.

[–]TarshishJupiterpolitically homeless 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, there's no dating feature that I can see. I joined about a week ago.

[–]julesburm1891[S] 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

That’s disappointing. I had hope for all of an hour.

[–][deleted] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's just a social network for women. I tried it out because I was curious if I would pass the computer AI, but I did not despite being female. I don't remember it being a dating app at all.

[–]disheveledtomboyGen X Old AF DGAF 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Welp, when you don't respect women's spaces, you can't be shocked that they keep making new spaces away from you.

[–]shveya 13 insightful - 4 fun13 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Lol @ calling an actual woman "hon".

[–]hellonumpty 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Honestly, in my own experience with online dating, trans women haven't been a bother at all. It's been hetero couples that have saturated the dating pool where I live. Very few trans women. But I don't suppose that's just the main purpose of a lesbian/"cis" women only app, it's also about weeding out the women deep in queer theory who would call you a genital fetishist for not being into "girldick"

With all that said, it's funny to me that they say TERFs are so offended at seeing one trans woman on a dating app, yet the one dating app that doesn't include trans people they have an issue with. What about the 99% that do include trans people? Kinda hypocritical.

[–][deleted] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

With the exception of Lex, which may as well be trans-only, couples have been way worse than transwomen on apps for me. It's bizarre to me they don't have their own app.

The majority of transwomen I see mention it in their profile, though I have seen a few trying to be tricky and I come across a lot of profiles that have nothing but heavily filtered pics and I'm not sure if they're trans or insecure. And since transwomen are allowed, I don't begrudge them using the platform to find a date, I just wish I was allowed to say I'm looking for a cis woman who accepts her birth sex.

That said, it would be nice to have an app where I'm not paranoid about being accused of being a bigot or matching with someone trying to stealth date women or just simply won't make me feel depressed after swiping left on a bunch of dudes. If they mean what they say about not trying to force anyone to date them, what does it matter?

[–]Gearbeta 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'm pretty sure there are apps for couples looking for a third but they just want to shit up apps for lesbians and be creepy.

[–][deleted] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah I guess a threesome app would likely just be full of other couples and maybe male thirds, better to just clog up Tinder and hope to find someone lonely and desperate, I guess.

[–]LesbiSilly 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

AHHHH! THis is what the last straw was for me. The fucking dating apps being taken over! I don't date men because I DON'T want to date a man. I don't want to have to worry about accidentally dating a man who thinks he's a lesbian. It just makes everything even MORE scary.

[–]LesbiSilly 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Okay, posting again. But this just makes me SO MAD! Not even AI can stop them and it makes me feel unsafe! They are making others feel unsafe and propagating transphobia themselves with shit like this.

[–]DisillusionedDrop the T like it's hot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I really don't understand what their problem is with "cis"-exclusive spaces.

"Since when has an influx of trans people on dating websites actually been an issue for anyone though"

Since you can't filter them out and they often lie about it?

[–]bisexual_ubermenschstanduserkin 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ngl I usually like /truscum but this is shite. Lol but if the AI really was so garbage it's pretty funny

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

One TRA sheep responded

On the plus side, perhaps it can attract all of the bigots that decent people wouldn’t want to date anyway. Let them have each other.

And I'm like, please do you fucking idiot!