When it comes to the Bathroom thing, what do you say about the Women who claim they have no problem with TIMs being in the restroom?

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-21T10:38:53+00:00

The knowledge of cluster B’s and especially narcissistic personality disorder truly is crucial. People who are not aware of these disorders have an entirely different world view. They cannot understand what would motivate monstrously callous behavior and so they write it off as hyperbole. You basically always have to test for how naive someone is about cluster b’s before getting into the worst aspects of gender activism. And if they have no knowledge you have to essentially prime them on that first. We should be in a time where people have more knowledge then ever of NPD because of Donald Trump but yes you still hear people say that they don’t understand what motivates him or ponder when he believes his own bullshit, when a basic understanding of narcissism easily answers all of this.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-21T09:56:29+00:00

So, let's move this forward. TQ must drop the LGB!

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-21T09:54:39+00:00

I'm relaying the message in the video. I don't pay attention to anime at all. And I think the video essentially equated yaoi and yuri but said that yaoi fans don't get enough scrutiny so they were called out specifically.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-21T03:03:06+00:00

Yep, the evidence that sex is not a social construct is how remarkably consistent and stable the division is throughout all of human history, across diverse geographic places and time (not to mention the fact that the human race has managed to keep reproducing itself lol). TRAs can only point to only a few examples of "another category" and in all but one case, it's clearly homosexual males and unsurprisingly never homosexual females.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-21T02:58:41+00:00

Serious and not loaded question: Do you really think being able to be attracted to women would be the easiest/best way to improve your life? I know you said you have no romantic attraction to men, so what about being able to form healthier relationships with men? Or do you view that as a lost cause because you believe that even if you could be romantically interested in men, that too much of the problem remains on their end?

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-21T01:51:12+00:00

Or we could be more ~inclusive~ by being inclusive of discussion of literally anything but girldick. Actual girldick discussion will be deemed targeted hate and bigotry as it is punching down on us vulnerable folk who weren't blessed with being born with girldicks. How can we feel stunning and brave when they are constantly reminding us of the girldicks we don't have and can't have and that less than 10% of us want.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-21T00:55:19+00:00

I honestly think most think of them as or equivalent to small, delicate, effeminate gay men who are seeking refuge from violent, homophobic redneck men, since the classic profile of a transsexual male is an effeminate homosexual male. They have no idea the reality of the trans population because of the gag order surrounding any (ironically) intersectional/demographic analysis. They have no idea of autogynephilia. I didn't. But everyone who I've informed about AGP has their mind blown. However, in order for them to understand it, they need at least a basic understanding of cluster B personality disorders. Once they have that, everything they've heard suddenly starts clicking into place and they see the nature of the "activism" in an entirely new light.

Also, most women think the trans population is very, very low and that in many cases they would not be able to tell that someone was trans. They think of this as a fringe issue they don't understand, and so defer to others while they fall back on their instincts to be sympathetic and not appear like judgmental bitches.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-20T21:11:21+00:00

Funny that it's the "actual" subreddits that are always the "not" subreddits. Interesting branding. Which is why we need to found "actualgirldicklovers" to talk about nothing but love of pussy by those who have pussies.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-20T17:37:12+00:00

Tbh I think most people have no idea of what standard conversion therapy entailed. They think it’s just Jesus-y pray the gay away stuff. Now it’s prey the gay away.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-20T15:52:06+00:00

Agreed. I have a bit of a nuanced take on being closeted based on my own personal experience where I think of “deep closeted” as being aware of my same-sex attraction and being generally aware that I was not attracted to the opposite sex, but unwilling to internalize it and accept it for what it obviously is. It’s active denial more than ignorance or unawareness. And then “closeted” to refer to after having the “come to Jesus” moment of accepting this is what I am but not openly sharing that or being very restrictive about who I share it with including what spaces or groups of people (“semi-closeted”). It’s clear that they never have to think about or do think about the consequences of coming out in various circumstances where we are going to be painfully aware of it.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-20T15:41:17+00:00

I have now learned way more about anime than I ever wanted to. I know that not everyone who consumes anime is a creep but there is so much creepiness among anime that being an anime fan would be a huge red flag for me in a partner. I’d rather be on the safe side and be over-exclusive (inclusive?) and just not deal with it at all.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-20T15:38:39+00:00

I had to watch/listen while folding laundry to take off the edge. It’s not too long of a video though because I still have a lot of laundry to put away lol.

I would summarize it as: yaoi fans have escaped a lot of scrutiny but they’re even creepier than fans of hentai, Lolita (if Loli is short for that), and just as bad as yuri (which I just learned is the lesbian equivalent) because yaoi combines all of the worst elements, plots, trends, etc. of all those other creepy and fetishizing fandoms (incest, pedophilia, tentacle stuff, bestiality, pregnancy fetishization, fetishizing of homosexual relationships, rape, all of the above) together. And that yaoi fans are even more out of touch than the other creepy fandoms because they’re obsessed with wanting to recreate it in real life with themselves (hence the countless screenshots of comments on yaoi videos about how the girls want to become gay men so bad and how they would make the best gay men).

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-20T01:03:58+00:00

This history is just another tidbit on why I think we are fucked from all ends on the trans issue in the U.S. Pharma will not give up this customer base without a fight. It is also why it makes me want to bang my head into the wall that Bernie, AOC, etc. is so aware of the death grip of Big Pharma, but they are ignorant about it here. Dig deeper, people.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-20T00:53:11+00:00

Oh yes I definitely agree it’s a bad idea and unlikely to be successful. What worries me is indications that the only reason some are getting genital surgery is to increase their chance at obtaining a male partner. Because unsurprisingly while they still have their penis and try to present as a woman they’re attracting fetishists. And they are motivated to get the surgery because they have been told by men that the reason they’re turning them down is because they still have a penis but after surgery, sure when in reality I think it’s more likely that public discourse has gotten so constrained that men felt pressured to say that. So they think the grass is greener but it’s really unlikely to be. It’s just that any information that pops this bubble is censored so heavily. It seems that the transsexuals who are happy with their transition transitioned for at least mostly internal reasons.

I also agree that straight men are not going to go for trans women but that trans women have a vested interested in viewing the men they attract as straight.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-19T21:12:02+00:00

I fear the opposite Politico. Genderism is causing lifelong liberals to vote for Trump and conservative politicians in many circumstances because we see the destruction wrought by genderism and how it is harming young people. It’s not going to make me vote for Trump but I will absolutely factor this into all other voting and it gives me the greatest pause in voting for Joe Biden.

They’re being dense because they view genderism as being a liberal vs conservative thing.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-19T18:49:52+00:00

I can't see the tweet, but in any case, I'm pretty sure most of the TRAs who are trans-identified males who wax poetic about how neovaginas/surgically altered penises are indistinguishable from actual vaginas and/or how there is no legitimate reason that a lesbian can categorically reject post-op trans-identified males as sex partners are among the trans people who have no intention of or desire to surgically alter their genitals. For them, it's all abstract discussion meant to validate them. They have no "dysphoria" and know they will never be in the position of having a "neovagina." They just want to control the discourse of lesbians so that they can more easily insert themselves in our spaces to use us as validation props.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-19T18:07:44+00:00

I can now see that in the comments of the linked post but it wasn’t in the text of the OP that was linked to here.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-19T16:39:06+00:00

Fun fact: I believe the most common estrogen pill taken by trans women is Premarin, which comes from the urine of pregnant mares (female horses). It is otherwise used by women for relief during menopause.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-19T16:09:29+00:00

I think you hit on the fact that there are at least 3-4 separate questions here: (1) Is drag inherently misogynistic? (2) Is the way drag is performed and consumed misogynistic in effect? (3) If the answer to any of the foregoing is yes, what is the impact on or the harm experienced by women as a class and as individuals? (4) Even if the answer to any of (1) or (2) is yes, do you personally care/want to do something about it? Why or why not?

Edit: I apparently deleted my edit but I’m a lesbian and do not make blanket statements about what gay men are or are not into other than that which is inherent to being homosexual. So I do not mean to imply that all gay men are into drag. But those who are tend to be in the demographic that is one of the biggest targets and victims of genderism. I can see this from within the gay community, but drag does create a community and create social power for certain gay men who are otherwise being hit with the message that they’re not really men and would have better lives if they transitioned. Many of these gay men have a really hard time finding romantic and sex partners because they are so heavily stigmatized as being effeminate, and unfortunately my eyes have been opened to the fact of what role the desire to find a partner plays in transitioning for such homosexual males.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-19T15:59:32+00:00

I’m curious. What is the basis of the allegation that one of the mods is an MRA male? And is it a trans-identifying male?

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-19T10:51:08+00:00

I have to respond to this later when I can write a full response bc I kept falling asleep while typing out my last comment to you. To be clear, the people I know little about are the new non-binary types like Alok and Tobias, and this is because I actively try to keep them off my radar though unfortunately they try to find their way in.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-19T10:47:42+00:00

Lol yep so it was. It’s a sad mental place to be aware of your attraction for the same sex and not the opposite sex but to still draw the conclusion that you must actually like the opposite sex and just need to try harder and that your same-sex attraction isn’t real.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-19T01:10:15+00:00

I don’t think they’re “feminine” either, but I see this mostly as semantics based on the lack of a better word. I would also say that “feminine” is absolutely not understood to be the same thing on a man as on woman.

I barely know anything about the people you mention at the end of your post. I agree from what little I know that they are attention-seeking, not effeminate. But again, my personal experience doesn’t exactly line up with your own.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-18T14:27:09+00:00

Again, some gay men are misogynistic, and they should be called out for it. Misogynistic gay men use that language. But not all gay men use that language and not all gay men who do drag use that language. And I think gay men doing drag is a completely different social context than Elizabethan England. Including completely different relative power structures.
And also, I have seen non-slutty drag. I think the performances are going to reflect what the audience wants /expects, and “women” are generally always expected to be slutty. I don’t think that’s necessarily a reflection on drag specifically.

Finally, looking at this pragmatically where I choose my battles, drag right now seems like a loosing battle that would cost more than it would gain. If we want to to fight the gender behemoth, the most pressing issue, IMO we do need (reasonable) gay men to be our allies, and going after drag, which doesn’t even register on my long list of things to care about, seems like a great way to alienate gay men.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-18T13:25:28+00:00

Serious question: Why do you think most Republicans have not blown up this gender issue? It should be easy fodder for them. Why hasn’t Trump?

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-18T13:23:45+00:00

I agree. These are my values but not at just any cost. And this should go without saying, but maybe this isn’t common sense anymore, but we still need to live in a society. I don’t think society should prioritize the most aggressively sensitive and dogmatic.

I believe in social responsibility and compassion, but also accountability.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-18T13:17:59+00:00

I’m going to be honest, while I see the argument, I think it’s lacking nuance. There are indeed a lot of misogynistic gay men. But a lot of drag artists are really just men looking for a fun and creative outlet for their femininity. Can you argue that their intention doesn’t matter? Sure. But I would say it does matter from my POV. Drag is just not a hill I’m willing to die on. I don’t feel satirized by it and I am probably much closer to the subject of the supposed satire than most people who flock to Gender Critical spaces.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-18T12:01:55+00:00

Honestly I would imagine that the only reason the downvotes outweigh the upvotes from the transbians is because there are also straight men downvoting.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-18T11:48:25+00:00

I gotcha. Enjoy lol.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-18T11:08:11+00:00

Well I definitely, love her voice, and I agree that it can be polarizing. I find it hauntingly beautiful and versatile. I personally don't care to dwell on her worst performances since they take away nothing from the connection I personally feel to her music. I wish she didn't vape though because that does diminish her voice.

Anyway, interesting that you say you might enjoy the song if it was sung by someone else, but you don't seem to take issue with the song itself because that's what she prides herself in, her songwriting, not her performance because she has always suffered from stage anxiety. She often uses her performances to be experimental and sometimes it lands, and sometimes it doesn't. But she's always been a more behind-the-scenes, awkward, shy, low-key person focused on storytelling and songwriting, and more of an artist's artist (in that a lot of other musicians are huge fans of hers). She's lived in LA for the past 5+ years now and she's still stayed out of the spotlight and is possibly the only person to move to LA and end up in a better mental health state than when she got there.

I was actually gonna say kudos to you when I clicked the first link and it wasn't the SNL performance from almost 9 years ago when she was at the height of her stage anxiety, which has gotten better over time. But then I opened your second link. Most people got the complete wrong impression of her as an artist because of how she was marketed around Born To Die, which happened very suddenly. And also despite the first link being a couple of years ago, it's still Born To Die era music, so for anyone else reading this who judged her exclusively based on her Born To Die era music, consider giving the rest of her body of work a chance.

Anyway, you don't have to like Lana, and I'm not out to convert people who actually dislike her/her music, but something about your last line ("Lana fans, watch those vids at your own discretion") came across as "you wouldn't like her if you knew what I knew." But no, we hear this all the time.

Edit: Just noticed that your second link (the SNL performance) is to Lana's own channel. Ballsy, but she clearly dgaf.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-18T08:40:49+00:00

For LGBs to save face, we will need to be en masse among the first vocal whistleblowers that break through. Otherwise, we are going to get blamed. Honestly, JK Rowling's messaging will be helpful as she positions gay people, especially lesbians, as victims in this.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-18T08:28:43+00:00

What's the dirt on the New Yorker? I cannot keep all of the publications with "New York" in the title separate in my mind.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-18T08:25:57+00:00

Thank you for exposing this. That's sick. Do you have any sense of wtf is going on with the scandi countries that they are so regressive as to intersex conditions?

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-18T08:23:14+00:00

There can and will be multiple class action lawsuits. Like nothing we've ever seen before. So it's just a matter of which plaintiffs are bringing which lawsuits against which entities/individuals. One of the major hurdles of getting through a class action is establishing that the members of the class are sufficiently similar enough in their interests and the harm they suffered in order to proceed as a class. So I imagine there would be class actions that go after different players, some within the same suit, but different targets include: individual doctors/health care providers/surgeons, pharmaceutical companies, gender clinics, hospitals, pharmacies, school districts, LGBT organizations, maybe even the FDA, possibly health insurance companies, etc.

It's often a matter of finding the right plaintiffs against the right defendants in the right jurisdiction to get the best chance. But yea I imagine lawsuits against surgeons who perform gender reassignment surgery. They may go after the worst of the worst in terms of quality of surgery first to establish good precedent. There is some abysmal work being performed out there because it brings in $$$ and is not being monitored or scrutinized.

Class actions are really slow though (like, expect over a decade of this). That's why they tend to settle, and we wouldn't want a settlement before discovery. Oh also, this wouldn't be a class action, but kids suing parents is going to be a thing. We may have to wait a while for this though and I feel so awful for all of the harm that will be suffered by these kids in the meantime and the feelings they will feel as they try to make sense of and salvage their lives. I am waiting to see what happens with Jazz Jennings because even though Jazz is touted as a success story, Jazz's surgeries have been profoundly unsuccessful. Jazz also has the face of a little boy on what appears to be a grown woman's body. How is that going to age? Jazz is still SO young. I really don't think we've seen the depths of Jazz's tragedy.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-18T08:04:07+00:00

I really, really do not understand anime, but I'm sorry this has interfered with your enjoyment of a hobby. More like defiled it.

I have noticed in several online spaces that there's an increased obsession with cartoon "women" with penises fucking each other and that's exactly what these weirdos' fantasy is for themselves. But if that's the case, then why can't they create their own spaces for that? Why not let that be it's own thing? Why pretend we're the same or that it's lesbian?

I feel like I'm witnessing the decline of civilization as all of the worst aspects of Internet escapism just meld into one another and turn peoples' brains to cum-obsessed mush, and I can't help but imagine that quarantine is accelerating this.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-18T07:53:58+00:00

IMO, the grip of the pharmaceutical lobby on the U.S. is way too strong (like why are the Republicans and Trump so silent about transing kids? It's everything they warned against with gay rights!). In reality, the pharmaceutical lobby covers both Republicans and Democrats. So IMO, our only hope is to rely on the evidence turned up in the UK's investigations and then use that for a class action in the U.S. I mean theoretically, there could be a class action in the U.S. now if the idea was shopped around to the right firm, but I think it might be too taboo right now. Med mal plaintiffs' attorneys want to position themselves as the good guy champions of the people. They will have to deal with a lot of threats and public scrutiny that they may be painfully aware of and that are holding them back. That's why I think evidence from the UK can be helpful in convincing an American firm to take the case.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-18T07:38:19+00:00

Did they not learn anything from the L Word Generation Q? Does any actual lesbian watch that? Even woke-signaling ones don't like it.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-18T07:37:17+00:00

I have no idea if that's true, but if so, it's probably just that male bodies will react differently to exogenous hormones that their body never produced in that quantity naturally and that their bodies are not supposed to either. Plus men are starting with much greater bone density, so even when their bone density diminishes on estrogen, it's still way greater than women's.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-18T04:21:14+00:00

TRAs don't even try to define sex because they want to pretend that nothing can. They want to act like intersex is itself a sex. It's a misdirect on every level. Sex is not chromosomes. Sex is gametes, and Biologist Zach Elliot concisely explains how sex is gametes here. As he explains, "chromosomes are simply the genetic instruction which lead to the development of one's sex. They are not what defines sex, because other animals do not use XX and XY, or sex chromosomes at all, and we can still determine their sex."

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-18T03:14:42+00:00

No one has ever been able to put forth a female-attracted trans woman who any lesbian would find attractive. They appear to be in the "never pass." Trans people who at least somewhat pass tend to be homosexual based on their biological sex.

Edit: I saw someone getting spammed with so-called passing trans women on Twitter and they were trying to pile on the message that gender over-rides sex, saying how can you not find these trans-women attractive? And to be honest, none would be attractive to lesbians because they sculpted their bodies into cartoonish shapes made from plastic and lesbians tend to be attracted to women in their natural state. As women, we know what that looks like better than these likely virginal men do. So I pointed out that everyone they posted was male-attracted and could they show anyone who was female-attracted. Nope, none. No examples. Instead they turned it around to be about me placing undue weight on "passing." Why was I so obsessed with passing? Clearly that's transmisogynist or whatever, even though this interaction started with them obsessing about passing and spamming pics. I was also accused of soliciting transbian porn. Yea like a lesbian wants to see transbian porn lol. Even they couldn't come up with a single passing transbian, so instead a bunch of TRAs attacked me. But it was telling. I hit a nerve. A glitch in their matrix.

I love how they show pics of trans men and say, "Really, you find this more attractive than this?" and show a picture of a trans woman. No, I don't find either attractive. I don't find men trying to look like blow-up dolls attractive, nor do I find women who have taken exogenous hormones to imitate male sex characteristics. I am attracted to women who don't do that. It's not our fault that trans women and trans men take themselves out of the dating pool of the people generally attracted to their biological sex and also never successfully enter the dating pool of those who are attracted to their target sex.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-18T03:12:40+00:00

I would instantly lose attraction to a woman I was seeing if I learned that she had a kid. Not because I hate kids or parents. I am just in no position to be dating someone with a child, I'm not up for that kind of relationship, and it's a deal-breaker. There are a million things that would cause us to lose attraction.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-18T02:46:30+00:00

I will also mention that the trans-identified males flooding lesbian apps is also a relatively recent thing in terms of volume and escalation, so anyone who's been partnered up during this time or who doesn't rely on apps is ignorant of that happening, though men invading is not new. A lot of lesbians spend very little time single though so in such case they are avoiding the full brunt of it and are just ignoring it.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-18T02:24:47+00:00

I don't think most people know what Queer Theory is. Even gay people. They can't see the bigger picture. They also can't see the change in the leadership and policies of the organizations that they credit with getting them important rights like the right to marry. They are also reluctant to judge others as they (and to a lesser extent myself) have been judged.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-18T02:07:54+00:00

I haven't seen Brokeback Mountain, but I agree that coming to terms with your sexual orientation does not excuse cheating. I was married to a man when I realized I was a lesbian, but I never cheated or lied. I ended my marriage respectfully, and I was always open and honest about my feelings of attraction as I felt those feelings. He knew from even before our relationship that I was attracted to women. It was the lack of attraction to men that was harder for me to process.

Anyway, my ex went to a support group for people whose spouses came out as gay and left them and he said he actually couldn't relate at all to the people in the group who were mostly women and there was generally horrific cheating and a lot of deceit involved. He said it made him feel better that his situation was not like that and he respected how I handled it. So yea, he ended up not needing that group and thankfully we are still close friends because we handled the situation like mature adults and good friends.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-18T01:56:15+00:00

Yes. But nothing about queer theory is innate to gay people. Being gay has no inherent relationship to any ideology. Queer theory is an ideology.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-18T01:37:54+00:00

Yep, appears to be the case, but none of those comments are viewable because they were removed too quickly to be archived. The following is a response by a transbian to one of them. Of course this comment was upvoted and all of the lesbians' comments were downvoted and we cannot even see their usernames. I'm sure they're banned now.

We really should get a support hotline for all the lesbians here who feel like chicks with dicks are being forced on them. And then just have the call play an automated Chewbacca growl instead.

https://www.removeddit.com/r/actuallesbians/comments/htowgw/sorry_im_not_into_your_kind/

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-18T01:32:28+00:00

"Reducing women to their genitals." That's a misdirect, but what are they offering on the other side? Reducing women to stereotypes, breast implants, other cosmetic surgery, and hormones is soooo much better.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-18T01:16:35+00:00

This is not explicitly a lesbian song but there are no heterosexual markers in it, and I connected with it as a lesbian. I thought I'd share with you ladies to see if you feel similarly and can appreciate it too. It's a beautiful song and the music video is very female-centered.

And if you haven't checked in with Lana since the Born to Die era, then you have a lot to catch up on! At her best, she's a real treasure IMO.

Anyway, I'm supposed to be working now, so I should probably do that. . . .

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-18T01:00:48+00:00

I would be a power (or proto-power) lipstick lesbian. I am attracted to other power lesbians, but she would need to be chiller than me. And I don't see this on there, but this is definitely a type: artists. OK so I just described Bette and Jody, but not like them lol. I wouldn't mind bankrolling my partner as she did something much cooler with her life than I do so I can live vicariously through her while I'm a corporate wage slave.

In all honestly, I just like chill, interesting women who happen to be lesbians regardless of whatever type they are.

Edit: Sometimes I present more "chapstick" than "lipstick." I certainly don't have a problem dressing down and wearing little or no makeup, but I do like to dress up, do my hair, makeup, etc. But that's why I also don't like to type myself other than for fun on the Internet. I don't want to be held to anything.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-18T00:49:24+00:00

Labia. Also just pussy diversity generally. I swear to god women are made to feel so ashamed of our labia, our genitalia as a whole, and every sexed part of our body really. I'll stick with pussies and labia here.

I felt this in myself for a long time. Part of the process of coming to terms with the fact that I'm gay involved me coming to terms with everything about pussies being awesome. I felt so much shame over mine growing up. I was super disconnected from my own body. I remember my friends and I talking about getting labiaplasties in high school. My best friend told me her super rich friend was actually planning on getting one when she turned 18 because she hated her labia so much because they were too big. There is so much pejorative slang for labia and no positive slang. Beef curtains, roast beef, etc. (puke) and calling women "roasties."

And it's not the same way in reverse. Let's be real. Intermission to address male bodies for a moment. You've been warned! ~~~~~ Ball sacks are not aesthetically pleasing in the slightest. I don't even hear gay men compliment them, but there is no societal shaming men over their scrota. ~~~~~~End male body talk.

Back to the pussy talk. Anyway, it's like every message I was getting was that I wasn't supposed to like pussies and that even straight men thought little of them. Not to mention that heterosexual sex culture/porn involves no pleasure for female genitalia whatsoever. So I had to break away from that messaging and those external voices in my head that were not my own.

In reality, I imagine that men don't appreciate labia because men don't get any pleasure from labia and do not understand the pleasure that women get from labia. Labia are an amazing pleasure center where everything gets even more sensitive as you head toward the center where they meet and the clit area.

Women's bodies are magic, honestly.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-18T00:26:19+00:00

Yea and for anyone out here wondering, this would not be unlawful discrimination at least in the U.S. because putting pronouns in your resume does not connote being transgender. It connotes being a fuckwit. I mean they want EVERYONE to put pronouns in signatures and I'm sure resumes too so you can't tell who is trans or whatever. Not sure how this helps anyone. Certainly not the transsexuals who wanted to transition and be done with and now get to enjoy people asking them what pronouns they prefer, ironically. It seems that the pronoun thing seems to primarily benefit the people who put no effort into any actual transition. Also non-binary people, who I guess fall within the category of "people who put no effort into any actual transition."

The nonbinary people I know/work with just go by their regular sex-based pronouns, especially at work. But we're also all highly educated professionals and they have enough self-awareness to not want to appear like fuckwits in front of those who pay our bills.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-18T00:09:00+00:00

The downvotes are reassuring. I assume this is before the trans brigade came in to clear that up. This creep is 15. He's more than old enough to spend a few dollars on underwear. But I'm sure stealing the underwear owned and worn by actual women/girls is probably part of the fetish and oh so validating.

But unfortunately, this is reflective of why this whole gender bullshit is going to end terribly for gay people. We're now inextricably linked with this bullshit in the public's mind. "Gender play" or experimenting with sexuality do not allow anyone to over-ride another's boundaries, but that is exactly what the gender movement is about - shaming others for their boundaries and foisting the consequences on everyone else and for what? What greater purpose even? None. They won't even be honest about why they do it.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-17T23:39:29+00:00

Is anyone here actually offended? I don't find this offensive.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-17T20:40:08+00:00

Is all this really worth it, especially where we are all in agreement in this space that the posted behavior is shitty and misappropriating? If you have a problem with LARPing heterosexual gaytrenders, shouldn’t they be the target of your ire? No need to frame this as a problem with bisexuals or “bisluts,” which is an unnecessarily vicious and inflammatory word for bisexual women. From what I’ve seen with these heterosexual couples where the male is a trans women, the woman in the relationship appears to be straight not bisexual (and it appears you’ve picked up on this too). And sometimes the straight woman does claim bisexuality (i.e. neonfiona) but with the trans relationship being their only example of a gay relationship/same-sex attraction (of course) So I’d say the bisexuals are having their sexual orientation sullied by this too.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-17T20:12:27+00:00

I don’t feel like a predator but I do have a fear of making women uncomfortable in the same way men have made me feel uncomfortable. And while I don’t feel like a wolf in sheep’s clothing, I do fear others seeing me as such because as I’ve learned, straight people will not reach the conclusion on their own that I’m gay. So that means when they do find out, it’s like they see me in an entirely new light, they’re really caught off-guard about it, and I’m sure they replay their social interactions with me in their heads.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-17T13:48:00+00:00

Really offensive. The fear some lesbians have of being seen as a predator by other women is not because we believe deep down we’re not lesbians, morons. It’s because unlike you, we are of the female sex and as a result of that, we regularly experience male creepiness and have sexual aggression and perversion foisted upon us without our consent by people like you from long before we became adults. That can result in us have a difficult time openly sexualizing other women because we don’t want women to feel that same discomfort that is forced on us since we were children.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-17T04:29:09+00:00

Of course no lesbian would ever make such a post other than to be a terf and hurt transbians' feelings.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-17T04:21:46+00:00

Feel like I'm being used in a jealousy plot lol. . . .

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-17T04:21:20+00:00

Well you see it's just that women are more attractive than men and, therefore, it's really not that strange that I think women are super attractive and that I would be attracted to them. And guys are OK I guess, but I don't really get what my friends see in the ones they're dating. Do they actually like them or are they just trying to fit in? I'm sure I'll find one I'm attracted to some day. It's just that these 1,000s of boys in my high school are for some reason all painfully unattractive but like half of them have hot girlfriends. What gives?

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-16T21:42:48+00:00

I mean Azealia is an asshole with obvious mental health issues but I guess she’s an equal opportunity asshole and obviously she’s not wrong here? But of course it’s the trans wrongthink that gets her banned.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-16T18:30:39+00:00

I feel you. I’m far from a Trump supporter. I’m liberal but I’m in the closet amongst gay friends and most of my liberal friends as being against genderism. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills on a daily basis and suffering each and every time I want to but feel like I can’t speak up and ask friends some pointed questions or point out things and get their reaction. It’s isolating.

Funny enough one of the only people I can talk to about this is my straight male Trump-supporting friend.

And I would have a hard time being ina relationship with anyone who supported genderism. It would be a total value mismatch and probably a mutual lack of respect.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-16T17:56:33+00:00

Presumably Etsy has also banned the sale of any item related to Harry Potter though, right?

No, of course they fucking haven’t. I would love to see JK Rowling call them out on it. They have more to lose than her.

Edit: Etsy overturned the decision, but the point stands. Any business or person that wants to cancel JK should not still allow themselves to profit or otherwise benefit from her. It’s hypocritical AF. If they really thought JK Rowling was the most abhorrent human being such that it is considered hatred and bigotry to express any support for her, then they should put their money where their mouth is and stop consuming or selling the fruits of her IP.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-16T00:19:01+00:00

Read: Pair of unfuckable beings.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-15T20:23:37+00:00

What a CERV!*

Like what even is a plant? Who are you to say what makes a plant? My favorite plant is veal. And my favorite vegetable is foie gras. Educate yourself.

Gatekeeping vegans also need to be more inclusive of carnivores in vegan spaces. Buncha meatphobes!

*Carnivore-Exclusionary Radical Vegan.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-15T19:36:57+00:00

Suddenly I’m craving Italian food. Or Mexican.

Next up: straight lesbians. For women who are attracted to women, but in a totally straight way. Exhibit A: Me in high school.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-15T19:35:01+00:00

Lol it’s not Julia but I can see the resemblance in some of her facial features.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-15T19:27:44+00:00

And I’m a carnivorous vegan.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-15T16:07:04+00:00

People should call them frequently and ask if they have Harry Potter and all of the special limited edition versions that come out.

Lol I bet they won’t “phase out” Harry Potter. Good luck. We are at an age where the Millennials who grew up with the books are having kids and will want to buy these books to read to their kids.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-15T12:28:18+00:00

Unfortunately the average person will assume that this is parody and that the people acting like this are in on the joke.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-14T20:39:29+00:00

There's a reason words like these have caught on in the radical movements, and it's because a large portion of those people were already subconsciously homophobic.

Which radical movements you are talking about in particular and what do you think it is about them that results in a large portion of them being subconsciously or consciously homophobic?

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-14T17:34:07+00:00

Have you searched to see if any firms are soliciting a class for anything gender related? I wouldn’t be surprised if some firms are gearing up based on the changes in the UK.

One thing I’ve also been meaning to do is to go to places like r/lawschool or if it’s too woke other places where some law student might see it and suggest note topics that have to deal with various trans legal issues. They are a minefield and I have a hard time finding relevant information on them. So they are perfect for a law student wanting an interesting case note topic.

This is on my mind because I’ve been wondering about how in the U.S. class actions can be launched against doctors and various health care providers who have dangerously abandoned their oath to do no harm. And pharmaceutical companies, and pharmacies, and if possible health insurance companies. Hell, I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s a Forest Corrupt Practices Act case in there too with regard medical transition providers.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-14T16:52:09+00:00

One time some TRA commented at me, ostensibly unironically, “what does sex have to do with sexuality?” I immediately got the impression I was talking to a 9-year-old and noped out of there.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-14T16:50:26+00:00

I wonder if it’s because straight women are the least genital-enthused of the different sexual orientations. I know this is a hot take but my impression is the average woman is really not into penis. Like penis is, at best, a means to an end. I have never heard any of my straight female friends talk especially fondly about penis (including long before they knew I was a lesbian). Like there’s very occasional mention of size or shape if the penis is at an extreme but I never hear awe, appreciation, or enthusiasm. Not hard to imagine why because societal standards have made heterosexual sex deeply unsatisfying for most women. And the vast majority of women cannot orgasm from PIV alone. Also it’s common that male and female bodies fit together in ways that make it really difficult for the PIV sex to stimulate the most pleasure parts of a vulva or vagina, let alone any pleasurable part.

So I would be surprised if a penis is not really all that essential for some heterosexual women to be attracted to a partner. And since T is kind of intense, I wonder if two especially well-passing heterosexual female trans guys can legitimately be attracted to one another, and not in that dead inside way that TRAs use to pressure relationships (“You don’t have to look at/touch/think about my genitals.”)

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-14T05:53:12+00:00

DC, I’m coming!

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-14T05:08:16+00:00

I prefer having million dollars to being totally broke.

So that sentence doesn’t read as sarcastic to you?

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-14T05:05:51+00:00

Yes. This shift in language has fostered woke homophobia. It’s not just that preference implies choice, but that it implies a greater liking between two acceptable options. That’s not what heterosexuality or homosexuality are. It has been used to foster woke homophobia because it is the root of the belief that terfy lesbians and gays are being transphobic by not opening ourselves up to the opposite sex.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-14T03:40:17+00:00

I agree that it’s a personal issue and that we should be allowed to be as out or not as our as we want to be.

I totally agree with detesting the “Aww why didn’t you think you could tell me?!” reaction when people find out other than from me. It’s weird that people don’t get how invasive, self-centered, and infantilizing that feels. Again, I try to give people the benefit of the doubt in how I respond to an awkward initial reaction but it does bother me when people act entitled to know because they’re woke and “such good allies.” They forget we’re individuals with our own lives, wants, and needs. Not props to shine a light on how virtuous they are or for them to measure how gay we seem based on how much we adhere to their stereotypes.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-14T02:52:54+00:00

Anyone who’s offended by a gay dude describing their aversion to eating pussy in a gay space (or anywhere really) is beyond saving. Funny enough talking about liking eating pussy is taboo on r/actuallesbians, because of course it is. Terfy lesbians always “punching down” on cute, valid twansbians as usual.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-14T02:23:25+00:00

It took me a while to see the woke left-wing anti-Semitism for what it is, but damn is it everywhere. That being said, I don’t know that the left in the U.S. at least was ever super cool with the Jews. They’ve always gotten typed as being rich and powerful so there has been an escalation for sure but IDK about a total swap. With gays there has been a total swap from poor vulnerable population to disgusting sexual deviant gatekeepers. It seriously makes me question what people thought they were supporting when throwing their support behind gay rights.

That being said, I still see all these wokesters fall all over themselves with “PRIDE” and tears of joy every time someone even somewhat famous comes out as gay or bisexual. It’s all about the soulless performance and virtue-signaling.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-14T02:17:13+00:00

I think they imagine gay men are "like girls" so they're non-threatening. This is just so insulting to all people, male, female, gay, straight -- this transgender stuff is a dumpster fire.

I think this is exactly it. It’s like the evolution of the “fag hag.” It manages to be deeply misogynistic, homophobic, and lesbophobic all at the same time. These trans men who date other trans men and consider themselves gay men are just so sad.

And one of her main hook-up experiences was sex with a man in a public restroom who viewed her as a woman anyway? Yikes. How the hell is this escaping misogyny/the problems of being with straight men?

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-14T02:12:11+00:00

I feel like this was not only posted by a bisexual (?) woman RPGing as a gay man but also a Boomer RPGing as Gen Z.

Paris. Hilton. Um?

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-14T01:45:05+00:00

Same in reverse! Like fine, I guess I’ll just roll with this.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-14T01:42:25+00:00

I need to finish responding too! 😊

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-14T01:38:50+00:00

What bar? I need to stop by next time I’m in D.C. And is it true there tends to be a high femme lesbian concentration in D.C. in particular?

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-14T01:35:49+00:00

When I was there, posts about pussy, especially posts about how the OP thought pussy was better than dick devolved into trans girldick circlejerks of how triggering and invalidating it was. And any mention of lesbians liking pussy or liking pussy being a feature of lesbianism, even in the most joking and lighthearted way, was given the same treatment. There would be calls for OP to delete the post for “punching down” on transbians. And often the mods would delete if not lock the posts. So yea, no pussy talk to speak of.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-13T16:33:11+00:00

My impression is that TRAs who are themselves trans are more likely to be male and aggressive about their activism and that non-trans TRAs are more likely to be female. I see the latter as more following the lead of the former and acting as flying monkeys to them.

I think with that female category there is a large subset of women who are codependent and/or struggle with other identity or self esteem issues and they end up centering their lives around trans-identified male narcissists. With little specific evidence, I very much get that vibe from neonfiona. It seems like her entire life is centered around fictions in support of Riley Dennis. I think he is her only basis for her claim that she is bisexual. And then on top of that, like a classic trans-identified male narcissist, Riley is obsessed with calling them lesbians and their relationship lesbian, when they’re just a dysfunctional heterosexual couple. I really don’t get the impression that she has anything else going on outside this, as this false “identity” is the entire basis of her YouRube channel and the only reason she is considered to have a shred of credibility on social issues.

Narc-codependent couples exist with the sexes reversed. My parents are one example. But in the trans community I mainly see the dynamic of trans-identified male narc with straight female codependent.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-13T16:19:56+00:00

This is such a refreshing comment and dose of reality. This is what happens when public discourse on transgenderism doesn’t get censored. I’ve never met a person who openly said that trans women should be able to compete in women’a sports. It is wildly unpopular. Unfortunately this deeply irrational position is reflecting terribly on gay people.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-13T12:59:34+00:00

I noticed that as well and thought, let’s be honest about who you really mean. It’s men. Welcome to a common struggle women have with men as sexual partners and, which is often a result of or exacerbated by porn. That’s why I don’t understand why this article was written, and also why I’m concerned about distortion of language that confounds the issues up for discussion and obscures the causes, and, therefore, results in bullshit solutions. Speaking of, I couldn’t get through this article but since it sounds like from comments she’s suggesting people check out “queer porn” as a solution. Um no, so much of exactly what she’s complaining about is perpetuated I’m so called “queer porn” between women and “trans women.” In fact that shit often looks just like run of the mill hetero porn where there is no pretense that the guy is a woman.

None of this is about “cis” vs “not cis” (what even does “cis” mean currently and what is it’s opposite? This lady clearly isn’t trans in any meaningful sense so it sounds wrong to call her such) and adding “gender identity” into the discussion just confounds the obvious.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-13T06:02:25+00:00

Oof. Relatable.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-12T23:29:06+00:00

So the love triangle with a guy in a lesbian movie is kind of an unfortunate given, but what I like about this one is that there was nothing really wrong with Heck. He was a decent guy. He cared about Rachel and there was nothing objectively wrong about their relationship. Some people would say that makes Rachel leaving him especially shitty, but I think that's what makes this movie more realistic. I think it sends the wrong message to depict women using lesbianism/bisexuality as an escape from a shitty or boring relationship with a shitty man. I'm reminded of all of the r/LBL stories that are a parade of red flags where people act like lesbianism/bisexuality is a lifestyle change and a way to build excitement in their lives. This is so much more relatable to me personally.

Another thing I find interesting about this film given that it's from 2005 is that I don't recall any homophobia or any concerns of potential homophobia. That's a glaring omission, and makes me wonder about the financing, production, and motivation behind this movie.

Finally, Lena Headey! IMO, she would make a fine lesbian IRL. But in all seriousness, I liked the way she depicted the awkwardness of "I'm attracted to you, but I'm trying to be respectful and keep my distance, but I'm also really attracted to you." Relatable.

Also, that time Rachel went to the video store to rent lesbian porn lol.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-12T23:05:02+00:00

I liked how they both looked a bit like Keira Knightley in different ways. I get self conscious being the first to comment but wanted to get that out there.

Totally agree, and I've thought this about Lena Headey and Keira Knightley before. Something about how Lena holds her jaw and mouth when she speaks reminds me of Keira, and their mouths in general. They have kind of wide, straight, but full-lipped pouty mouths. I described it terribly, but I like it on both of them. It feeds into how they hold their jaws and mouths when they speak and enunciate very cleanly and forcefully, and how they hold their jaws and mouths after they finish a sentence, and how their words kind of just hang in the air as a result. I can't think of any other actresses who share this quality.

And Piper is like Keira with less prominent and angular bone structure and more of a teenage look, whereas I feel like Keira came out of the womb looking like a woman.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-12T18:51:56+00:00

The self-proclaimed commies obsessing over corporate LGBT and buying up all the rainbow and rando flag merchandise they can find never ceases to make me laugh.

Also would be curiously to hear the timeline and specific players involved in bringing Intersex into the Rainbow mafia. I literally never hear intersex people self identify with the Alphabet Soup and i never hear these LGBTTTQQQ orgs ever spreading awareness of Intersex issues outside of trying to disprove the sex binary explicitly with regard to trans.

Also for a crew that is obsessed with micro labeling, I never hear any breakdowns of the conditions that are considered intersex, and I suspect that is because TQ wants to make everyone think that all Intersex people are not discernibly male or female.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-12T15:11:36+00:00

My first “post-puberty” same-sex thoughts were me sitting in class and imagining kissing the girls (It was technically pre-puberty for me but I hit puberty very late compared to most). I thought they were intrusive thoughts at first because I didn’t know being lesbian was a thing. I had a hard time understanding my feelings toward girls, but I realized that I had this special attentiveness toward and fixation on girls when in contrast I would barely register or think about boys.

I never had a boy crazy phase and I figured that eventually I would find one I was interested in but had no interest in doing anything to make that happen. Meanwhile I was always thinking about how attractive girls were and all of their tiny minute details. I could describe at length everything that was attractive about a girl and I felt this way about so many girls and female celebs, but when a friend would show me pictures of guys they thought were attractive and asked me what I thought, I was totally blank. I had no words. In some cases I could tell that they were not actually unattractive but I could not bring myself to personally feel even a little bit attracted or say anything beyond “Oh, uh, he’s cute” and I felt like I was always lying to not be mean and make them feel like they had bad taste. I did not understand what they saw in boys and it took me a while to realize that all of the things I felt toward girls is what they felt toward boys.

I was also always drawn to pretty girls like a moth to flame, and would seek to befriend them, though this wasn’t a conscious pattern. Which is how I ended up with my closest friends being objectively gorgeous straight women. I think that unintentionally ended up giving me cover because I am presumed to be like them, and only other gay people seem to pick up on me being gay.

It took me a while to accept that I was gay but I finally did after accepting that sexual orientation is a pattern of attraction and if I’m only attracted to females but not males, that was my sexual orientation regardless of how I felt about it.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-09T19:39:51+00:00

Right. I'm particularly interested in aggregated statistics about trans-identified moderators of forums and subreddits, as well as the prevalence of trans-identification in tech jobs.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-09T19:31:56+00:00

I mean, define oppression, but I’d say we’re oppressed by the people trying to keep the oppression alive so that they have a purpose and can play the victim. We are also oppressed by gender activism and everyone trying to “queer” us.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-09T19:18:55+00:00

So does the “lactation thing” also affirm trans men’s womanhood?

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-09T19:12:41+00:00

I’ve heard this and kind of inherently sensed it too, but are you aware of any statistics?

Like who else is moderating these Reddit subs

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-09T19:08:45+00:00

Ffs. Like I get your point Jennifer, but I am not engaging in cognitive dissonance. I just don’t subscribe to your ideology wholesale and while I appreciate your work, I apparently do not agree with your exact plan of action for countering the harms of gender ideology. Clearly we have differences of opinion on what issues are material. I just have bigger fish to fry and I find value in hearing these individuals’ perspectives and having them as part of the conversation. This is why I am not a rad fem and also do not claim to subscribe to every tenet of gender critical ideology, though I am gender critical aligned.

Some of us are also more concerned about practical change rather than being dogmatic. I also think that those of us who are gay are differently situated here. Our priorities and perspectives will be different. And I believe everyone she mentioned is homosexual so there’s already a little more understanding and compassion I feel for such people. I don’t think hormones and plastic surgery changed their sex, but I am a little closer to their struggles and experiences, and they are hard for straight people to understand.

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