Trans woman in Devon jailed for arranging sex with fake underage girls by jet199 in TheseAreNotOurCrimes

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"Jessica Smith"? Yea that's def not someone who's taking advantage of the fact that "deadnaming" is a capital offense to escape the consequences of being a known, registered sex offender.

too young to know by MarkJefferson in LGBmemes

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Thank you for that. That was a wonderful way of putting it.

too young to know by MarkJefferson in LGBmemes

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For real. But also simultaneously among the left-wing brand of crazies, there is pressure to identify and declare your sexual orientation and "gender identity" as anything other than "cishet" at increasingly younger ages. Why can't there be a happy medium of letting people figure themselves out at their own pace?

MLM by HelloMomo in LGBmemes

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This reminds me of how I read all references to "AOC" initially as "Articles of Confederation" before I remember Alexandria Ocasio Cortez. Sorry babe, my notes in law school came first.

Also ngl Marie Kondo is one of my more random low key celebrity crushes. I think I could spark some initial joy in her before she got a chance to look into the depths of my junk drawers and thank me on her way out.

UPenn parents pen poignant letter demanding the NCAA change rules by BiologyIsReal in GenderCritical

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The culture of silence and fear and the psychological damage this creates in women is the story. I also hope Anna has a lot of community and family support while facing this injustice. She’s a local and seems to have gone to the same (public) high school as Kobe Bryant. The parents are in a better position to take the brunt of bad PR while raising hell for their girls.

Same-sex sexual desire as the natural, but not actualised, default (criticism of sexuality) by SexualityCritical in GCdebatesQT

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Just about every actual lesbian (aka female with exclusive attraction to other females) is going to laugh at the absurdity of the premise because no way are lesbian relationships some blissful paradigm devoid of sexism, misogyny, and unrest. We’re with women because women alone make us hot and wet. I think it is true that if I didn’t live in an society where I saw exclusively heterosexual couples growing up it wouldn’t occur to me to try to be with a man romantically and sexually. But not because we’re so different we can’t get along. The family members I’m closest to are men, as are a lot of my close friends.

I had one relationship with a man who I married and we were compatible in so many ways and remain close friends. The relationship was much easier overall. But I wasn’t attracted to him and I had to suppress a huge part of myself to remain in that relationship and leave myself unfulfilled. Leaving that relationship was hard and I can’t say my life is necessarily better now. I just feel more right with myself, in touch with my body, and have a fulfilling sex life. I’m in a relationship with another woman and there is a lot of mutual understanding because we’re both women, but there are also tensions too, and that’s not just because same-sex relationships are not fully accepted in society.

Sometimes you need more yin to your yang. I don’t think any sexual orientation is more natural than another and I hate ascribing more value toward any sexual orientation.

What's the general consensus on sexuality being a choice? by SexualityCritical in GenderCritical

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To address your claim, you are saying that there are two types of women who go by the lesbian label: 'real lesbians,' who are lesbians because they feel sexual attraction exclusively to women, and fake lesbians ('political lesbians'), who are not lesbians because they're either bisexual or heterosexual, not exclusively sexually attracted to women.

No, there are a lot of different reasons some females who do not experience exclusive female-attraction adopt or claim to be lesbians. The other categories were just not relevant.

A political lesbian is no different from a supposedly real lesbian.

You keep saying that as if we homosexual females out here in the field who are in the business of fucking women can't tell the measurable difference between women who are exclusively attracted to women vs. women who are not attracted to women or are attracted to both men and women but pursue women out of misandry. The latter think and talk about men way more than the rest of us.

I'm sorry I mis-identified you as a woman. I did see that later. Unfortunately though, almost nothing you say resonates with my sexuality or my sexual orientation. "Lesbian" is not my identity. In fact, IRL I use this word to describe myself almost never. But it is the word that describes the reality of my sexual orientation. As I said, almost nothing you said resonates with me. I'm a lawyer and constructing, analyzing, deconstructing, and evaluating arguments is what I do for a living. As for yours, you start with boldly stated premises that I don't agree with to begin with because they are so far removed and in conflict with my own experiences and observations. And then from there you jump to an equally preposterous conclusion. That's not worth my time to break down because it would be like arguing with a flat-earther. That you are a man makes a little more sense because you seem to have little understanding of female sexuality and homosexual relationships between two women.

But you know, the easiest relationship I've ever been in is the only relationship I've ever been in with with a man. He was an excellent partner and remains one of my very best friends and close confidantes. So maybe you're onto something. Maybe we should all force ourselves to be in relationships with people we are not attracted to.

Godspeed dude.

What's the general consensus on sexuality being a choice? by SexualityCritical in GenderCritical

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I think radical lesbians (lesbians who are radical feminists, whether they consider themselves political lesbians or not) want to redefine both female sexuality and female sexualness.

They, firstly, want to recognise that heterosexuality is a political institution, and not natural by any means.

Radical lesbians, they, secondly, want to cease the fetishization of lesbianism by both men and women.

This is all supremely ironic. How do you not see how you fakeass “radical ‘lesbians’” are also objectifying and fetishizing female homosexuality? This isn’t the way actual homosexual females/lesbians think. Though it can inform our view of the world, our naturally occurring sexual orientation is not a political ideology like you want it to be nor do we view others as such because it would be counterproductive. You’re misappropriating it and holding yourselves out to the public as us, as the same thing as us, and as representative of us. Quite frankly my dear, you do not have our interests at heart and you at trading one dogma for another. With no sense of irony, you are the colonizers here.

What's the general consensus on sexuality being a choice? by SexualityCritical in GenderCritical

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Because female homosexuality already exists naturally and not politically and it’s not some egalitarian utopia. It’s bizarre and very short-sighted that you think it would be. I also don’t want to live in a world where I have to deal with fake “lesbians” who are not inherently attracted to women saying they’re the same thing as me and infiltrating my dating pool. You’re no better than transbians.

What's the general consensus on sexuality being a choice? by SexualityCritical in GenderCritical

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would this mean that political lesbianism is not real lesbianism?

Correct. And if a woman presents herself as lesbian when dating but knows she’s a political lesbian who wants to pursue women sexually and romantically by choice, she is catfishing.

What's the general consensus on sexuality being a choice? by SexualityCritical in GenderCritical

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Heterosexuality (which cannot be divorced from political ideology)

Like except for the fact that it definitely can be and generally is. I say that as a homosexual.

I’m not sure how you end up thinking like this unless you’re just straight and trying to convince yourself you’re into women or if you’re a clueless bisexual who assumes every gay or straight person is also secretly attracted to both sexes but with a mere preference and won’t admit it. This latter group is definitely a thing and it’s a very self-centered ignorant attitude.

Only one sex makes me wet. I choose women over men like I choose to eat chocolate cake over a pair of scissors. And I know enough people intimately to know not everyone is secretly like me. I know I’m the outlier. It’s pretty fucking obvious. I can tell the difference between a bicurious straight woman having a moment/pansexual, bisexual, and a lesbian. And it’s not just in how we choose to live. We’re wired different. Our bodies respond or do not respond to different things.

What's the general consensus on sexuality being a choice? by SexualityCritical in GenderCritical

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Sexuality is built around male objectification of women (or her substitute)---men doing the objectifying and women having to deal with it via a array of responses which include both acceptance and rejection. Sex is a political act--or how women are made inferior and how men achieve dominance.

Said no actual lesbian ever.

It would also end gender altogether, and those hundreds of labels that are supposed to derive from “natural” or “cultural” “sex attraction” to this or that sex and gender--although there would, undoubtedly, be far more lesbians.

Lol no. “Gender” in terms of femininity and masculinity and expectations and associations with them very much exists among lesbians. Our innate sexual orientation is not a political or ideological choice. Nor is it some egalitarian misogyny-free utopia.

"Maine's Committee on Criminal Justice & Public Safety just voted unanimously to let male offenders, including rapists and domestic abusers, into women's prisons based solely on their "gender identity." by BEB in GenderCritical

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I have had that thought too. These laws are written so that genderspecials get to choose who pats them down while the female guards get no choice but to opt out. That is disgusting, and the only upside is that the more women who are in positions where they are forced to treat these men like women while being in a position to realize they are nothing like women, the closer we get to the tide turning. Same with the attempts to get doctors who provide double mastectomies to cancer patients to have to perform them on teenage girls upon request or else be accused of literal discrimination.

Unlike with gay people where personally knowing gay people was the biggest factor in increasing tolerance and then acceptance, TQ themselves are what actually peak people. The rest of us can only plant seeds so that people have a reference point when the bad behavior and consequences are in front of them, but it’s TQ and their enablers who can’t help but prove us right.

Extremely Shocking "Non-Binary Genital Nullification Surgery" (images) by usehername in GenderCritical

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So convenient that we can so easily prohibit any discussion of the mental health components so that such disfiguration cannot be discussed in clear fact-based terms and surgeons without any scruples can keep profiting from this without any oversight or accountability.

Extremely Shocking "Non-Binary Genital Nullification Surgery" (images) by usehername in GenderCritical

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What the actual fuck. No one thinks about the details of “gender reassignment surgery” because no one wants to thing about the details because it can and often is truly horrifying to believe. I am especially worried about young kids growing up with the idea of thinking these are somehow cosmetic readjustments that are indistinguishable from the real thing and not extreme risky and experimental procedures. When people fail to come to terms with the mental health component of trans identification this is what they’re refusing to grapple with. And by shouting down that discussion, this is what they’re funneling vulnerable kids and adults into. I do believe that adults should be able to do what they want with their bodies if there is a willing doctor and certain standards of care and safeguarding procedures there are being met. I think someone needs to be lucid about what they’re getting into in order to have this performed on them. And that any magical thinking about literally changing sex is a red flag and should be a bar. That is how people get set up for disaster and disappointment and they need to be realistic about what they can reasonably expect as a result of the surgery.

My 15-year-old transgender son is going through menopause - and I'm so proud of him by jet199 in therearetwogenders

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Munchausen's in action.

We Should Sue Reddit... Keep Those Receipts! by WildApples in GenderCritical

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I think the thing that has the best chance of making a splash is suing companies for banning spaces to focus only on same-sex attraction. Even if you don’t win, the optics are bad. Are HRC and GLAAD gonna come out and say that lesbians should not be able to breathe their own online spaces to discuss just their issues. So they really want evidence of how hostile the other spaces that claim to be for lesbians are for lesbians?

6 ‘Lesbians’ vs 1 Fake - did you guess right? by Lessom in Lesbians

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Once I honed in on Mel I kind of just stayed there because everything from her was increasingly suspect, and I got similar vibes from Rachel. To prove they were lesbians they both focused on LGBT performativeness and nothing at all about their personal lives, their experience as a lesbian specifically, or even touching on their attraction to women. Mel saying that she came out as a lesbian in her room 6 months before based on reading a document during quarantine and lacking in any real world experience with anything, yet still already having been president of her LGBT society, and then saying that she literally changed her entire appearance since then is pure cringe art, and peak Gen Z LGBT cringe (again, sorry you’re stuck among these people).

I agree they and this video are horrible representation for lesbians and make us look like a joke. “I can prove I’m gay; look at all my books on Queer Theory” makes me think of straight teenage girls using their yaoi porn obsession to prove to themselves and others that they’re actually gay boys/men. The fact that these self-styled lesbian ladies think that should be proof is exactly the problem.

I mostly can’t even remember anything Isabelle said other than saying that her band was in the Happiest Season, which to me did not make her more likely to be a lesbian.

How often do you experience lesbophobia? by QueenOfTheNorth in Lesbians

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The bisexual men and lesbian connection is interesting, but I get what you’re saying.

Where I am, lesbians are stigmatized for our lack of attraction to men and not so much for attraction to women, because our culture pushes for female bisexuality. Lack of attraction to men is viewed as suspect and a motivated act or choice, not a natural phenomenon. Hence, there is a major divide in experience between lesbians and bisexual women. It frustrates me that a lot of bisexual women are unwilling to understand this. But there are chill bisexual women who do. I wish they were the dominant voice though. So lesbian women tend to be very quiet about their sexual orientation, even when openly dating women. They’re not the kind of people to say “I don’t like to put a label on things” and they don’t make a big deal about labels (that tends to be a more bisexual move in my experience) but they’re just quiet about it, not in denial about it.

In contrast, gay men and bisexual men are most stigmatized for their attraction to men. But there is a belief that attraction to men is a one-way street, so bisexual men either have incentive to identify as straight or gay. Because straight and even some bisexual women are going to view a bisexual man as functionally gay but also not “safe gay” in the gay BFF kind of way.

6 ‘Lesbians’ vs 1 Fake - did you guess right? by Lessom in Lesbians

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I second all of this. Madeline and Dezire seemed the most obviously lesbian to me. Short haired girl (Mel) sounds like a confused bisexual who thinks she’s a lesbian.

It really sealed it for me with Madeline and Dezire that their immediate response to Mel’s statement that she figured out she was a lesbian through a checklist was their immediate response of “I didn’t need a document to tell me I was a lesbian.” Mel seems like a very confused young lady befuddled by queer nonsense.

6 ‘Lesbians’ vs 1 Fake - did you guess right? by Lessom in Lesbians

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I thought they might go the route of the non-lesbian being a bisexual woman.

I thought it was Mel once she started speaking, and mainly considered Isabelle only at the beginning and then she fell off my radar.

That damn Master Doc. Mel still gives me vibes of non-lesbian who thinks she’s a lesbian because of the Master Doc. She said very little of substance that indicates she was into women. She went right to the Happiest Season, which just came out and mostly dodged the question of her favorite lesbian movie. She seemed very performative and into “queerness” and gender performance and was leading an LGBT org, which she was doing even if she wasn’t out as a lesbian until 6 months ago. So her complete non-answer to the negative experiences question was also notable.

I was least suspicious of Madeline. She struck me as gay immediately. While Anandita did seem a little rehearsed, I really had no issue thinking of her as a lesbian. Rachel was annoying af. Her performativeness was suspect but lesbians like her obv exist.

I was dismayed at all the non-binary/queer nonsense and the irony of trying to prove you’re a lesbian while saying you have a non-binary partner, but one of my closest friends is a “non-binary lesbian,” so sadly this is a thing. I guess I’m relieved they didn’t add pronoun fuckery to this, and what do you know? Everyone assumed she/her for everyone else.

QT: Doesn't gender-identity only make sense for trans people? Why use it for non-trans people? by FlanJam in GCdebatesQT

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This is a debate sub. How about you explain how gender dysphoria/schizophrenia and gender identity/age identity are not comparable.

I don’t think you realize how much you specifically influenced me in the GC direction when I was on Reddit and just a gay person trying to hear directly from both sides about their positions after initially trying to learn more about trans issues for the purpose of being a better ally and then seeing a bunch of red flags. It’s your fundamental inability to recognize any interest other than your own as legitimate and to conveniently jump to accusing everyone else of bad faith.

QT: Doesn't gender-identity only make sense for trans people? Why use it for non-trans people? by FlanJam in GCdebatesQT

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Compare it to schizophrenia. You don't notice the lack of voices in your head when you're not schizophrenic. Should we also come up with a word for people who are not schizophrenic and have this be asked of us on intake forms?

What about age? What if a man who has been on this planet for 480 months does not feel like he's 40 and feels more internally like he's 12. Should we be asking everyone about their age identity to determine whether they should be eligible for capital punishment or placement in an adult prison or juvenile detention center? Should this guy be able to enroll in middle school, get child discounts on tickets for things, go to a pediatrician, and be in a relationship with a cis-12-year-old?

Doesn't "gender confirmation surgery" imply having a vagina confirms you're a woman? by odius in GenderCritical

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Yes. They pretend sex isn't real, that you can't tell someone's sex, or what a woman looks like, but everything about the hallmark procedures shows it for the disingenuous farce it is. But hey it earns unscrupulous doctors, plastic surgeons, and pharmaceutical companies $$$, so shh.

Would you personally date a bisexual woman? by RedditHatesLesbians in Lesbians

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Yes, I would have similar terms to consider a serious relationship with a bisexual woman. For something far more casual, I don't care as much. I think an out, confident bi woman who owns her sexuality and doesn't pretend it's the same as being lesbian is crucial. Then we would be on common ground. Also I think being at least as attracted to women as they are to men would be ideal. 100% into both men and women would be fine because it's not the attraction to men I would take issue with, but the lesser attraction to women. I just would feel worlds apart from someone who is way more oriented toward heterosexual partnerships. Because attraction to women does feel special and magical sometimes (I know, get a grip), I like bonding over that with my partner. My current partner is a lesbian and it's interesting how we are so different in our life experiences but then also have a lot of relatable experiences both being lesbians. For someone my age I don't know anyone who came out earlier than her, whereas I came out later than anyone I know who is my age. And yet we have a lot of common ground and there's so much to bond over.

Logical incongruity by AmericanMuskrat in GenderCritical

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Oh yes we’ve joked about the ridiculousness in lesbian spaces. How is anyone supposed to know their own sexual orientation based on their stupid rules? Who knows what lunacy everyone you’ve ever been intimidate with has bought into at some point and why should that affect how you view yourself? The effect is that everyone ends up “pansexual” whether they like it or not. Why is why I always think “spicy straight” when I hear pansexual.

That’s why I hate identity and reject sexual orientation as inherently an identity. Sure, you can identify as a lesbian, as long as you’re actually a homosexual female. Otherwise what are you possibly identifying as?

I have nothing against bi women but why create a video that makes women seem like a fallback option because men hurt you... by [deleted] in Lesbians

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Are you done having a stroke/arguing against yourself in a space that is not for you?

As if I have not contributed enough content to s/LGBDroptheT and s/Lesbians for every other human being who has paid even a little bit of attention to understand that I mean “feminine” in appearance only here, and that I in no way subscribe to gender roles verbally or in the way I live my life, and that you’d be hard-pressed to make any serious argument that I do.

Your point about “toxic femininity” is overstated. Being intimidated in trying to figure out how to flirt with women as a woman when that is something we have little guidance and examples of is a common experience for lesbians and bisexuals. Yes, lesbians have to deal with this head-on because we don’t have an alternative, unlike bisexual women. But recognizing that there is more difficulty here and involves more fear of the unknown hardly makes a bisexual woman honest, not a homophobic anathema.

Are there bisexual women who do seem to want to treat lesbians like they occupy the traditional “man” role? Yes, I’ve seen it. But I base that on a lot more than what I see here.

Are you people for real? by [deleted] in Lesbians

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I read the post in question (and the earliest comments). I re-read the post again and, while I appreciate the sensitivity, I did not interpret that post to be saying that if you were sexually assaulted/abused as a child, you are not really a lesbian.

I saw it to be criticizing two things: that a lot of straight men like to say that lesbians became lesbians because we were sexually abused as a child and/or have daddy issues and often imply that’s the exclusive or main driving force with the implication that female homosexuality is not natural. Which is stupid and we know to be untrue. As you pointed out, sexual abuse of girls and sexual assault of women is so ridiculously common that you will find it represented in virtually any and all grouping of women.

At the same time, there are a lot of straight and bisexual women out there who for their own personal reasons claim to be lesbians when they know they are not exclusively attracted to women. Many even say they are “choosing” to be. This is what political lesbians do and I’m still only beginning to understand this varied group of women. And unsurprisingly a lot of them do claim to be lesbians as a response to bad behavior by men. This seems to happen in adult life though and they tend to make themselves identifiable because they’re more interested in talking negatively about men (rightfully or wrongfully) and not about attraction to women. There are a lot of radical feminists who give me these vibes. For all of the thinking and reflecting they put out, it never seems to include mention or discussion of the realities, realization, or mechanics of their same-sex attraction, when I think we can all agree that this is a major part of our life experience that, if we hold ourselves out as vocal feminists, would probably make its way into our discourse.

Staff at Australia’s top university have been told to use terms like “gestational parent” and “non-birthing parent” instead of “mother” and “father" by BEB in GenderCritical

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I definitely remember when lesbian couples campaigned to remove the words mother and father as we aspired to become non-birthing parents through adoption or, God willing, a gestational parent and non-birthing parent pair.

Because as we know, lesbians/gay men flip a shit every time a heterosexual couple is pictured and not a lesbian/gay couple or when a stranger presumes that their child has a father? Or IDK maybe we just deal with it and gently correct because we realize it’s a numbers game and have bigger fish to fry. We’re still just a bit more concerned every time we walk out the door together that we will have abuse hurled at us for holding hands or expressing any small amount of affection in public. Because, yes, that’s still happening to us privileged cis gays in the West and we can’t just identify out of it by claiming that one of us is actually the opposite sex and goes by opposite sex pronouns. So we can tolerate awkwardness and laugh about it as long as people respond gracefully, or at least civilly, when they realize we’re gay.

We need to live in a society, people. Not deconstruct and reassemble the laws of biology and basic human interaction to suit the desires of a tiny fraction of the population on dubious grounds.

Transgender Sask. girl, 9, embraces identity through makeup, ribbon skirts | CBC News by hfxB0oyA in GenderCritical

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With a child this young, this entire thing is being driven by the attention-seeking mom FaceTuning makeup selfies for her boy. No way this tiny child learned about the weird TIM obsession with cat girls/cat ears on his own or independently. Poor kid.

Abigail Shrier (lawyer & author of IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE) lays out the horrors that await US women if the US Equality Act passes by BEB in GenderCritical

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Thank you! You are correct. It's HR 5 of the 117th Congress. Here is the official page for the bill. https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/5

Abigail Shrier (lawyer & author of IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE) lays out the horrors that await US women if the US Equality Act passes by BEB in GenderCritical

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For some reason I’m having a hard time figuring out the new bill number for the renewed Equality Act. Does anyone have this? I’m trying to look up the bill text and the voting/discussion schedule and would like to see if there were any changes to the text, big or small.

Actress Gina Carano is Fired by Lucasfilm for "anti-trans" wrongthink in Twitter by MezozoicGay in GenderCritical

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Note she only added the joke pronouns after being bullied into adding pronouns in the first place. She didn’t start it to bait anyone and I think that context is relevant.

The dreadful lie being told to young women - I don't know how you feel about Graham Linehan, but he just posted this story on his website. Real or fiction? by linda_senora in GenderCritical

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This Reddit post was posted a while ago in s/LGBDroptheT. It did not appear to be the work of a troll and I’ll note that it was posted in a trans-specific subreddit and taken fully seriously by the posters there. So even if it was crafted by a troll it was realistic enough that it was interpreted by the group as realistic. Some recognized the poster as expecting too much of gay men, but only because they thought she was too early on in her transition to expect different treatment. They still believed the gay men were transphobic though. Can you imagine this happening with the sex reversed? Terrifying.

I have nothing against bi women but why create a video that makes women seem like a fallback option because men hurt you... by [deleted] in Lesbians

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I don’t think that’s a fair takeaway. Women aren’t necessarily a fallback for her. They’re just more intimidating. And I get it. Because as a feminine lesbian I’ve gotten a lot of attention from men in my life that I had no use for and didn’t know what to do with. But women can be really intimidating and it took me a while to dip my toes in and get comfortable. But there’s no denying that finding a female partner takes a lot more work, initiative, and dedication.

Elliot Page and Emma Portner Announce Plans to Divorce After 3 Years of Marriage: We 'Remain Close Friends' by [deleted] in GenderCritical

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My point is not that I think Emma may not be a lesbian because she had no prior relationship with a female. After all, I’m a late-starting lesbian who hasn’t been into relationships myself. But rather that the the lack of known dating history for her given the other indicators including the cold dynamic toward Page, could be indicia that’s she’s not homosexual.

Elliot Page and Emma Portner Announce Plans to Divorce After 3 Years of Marriage: We 'Remain Close Friends' by [deleted] in GenderCritical

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Again, another hard disagree with you though I don’t know what I expected. So much in your response that you can’t seriously think I actually believe based on my prolific posting about my own experiences, particularly with regard to my sexual orientation. But you clearly want yet another opportunity to unconvincingly explain why your assumptions having entered a discussion at the 11th hour are more sound than those closer to the subject.

I got out some quick thoughts I had on the subject because that’s all the time I had to offer to this topic given my interest level and time. I won’t bother with you next time. If you are genuinely curious about analysis from other people who have followed Page’s career for a long time, there’s plenty of it out there, particularly from the perspective of lesbians familiar with her career and the shit she’s been given in the media for being gay, and no, it is not uncritical of her.

Elliot Page and Emma Portner Announce Plans to Divorce After 3 Years of Marriage: We 'Remain Close Friends' by [deleted] in GenderCritical

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Emma gives off serious “Gone Girl” vibes. Both a quick and deep peruse show that every photo of them together involves Page looking lovingly and submissively toward Emma and searching for her approval while Emma shows coldness, disinterest, and smugness. Page started undergoing a clear rapid decline since they got together. And in this sense, Emma’s lack of public profile would work in her favor. For example, I don’t believe there is evidence that Emma had a prior history with women. If this is the case it provides an explanation for Page seeking to identify out of womanhood.

Elliot Page files for divorce from Emma Portner by SailorMoon2020 in Lesbians

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Start by googling pics of them together and look at the body language in all of them. Then look at what Page was like before the relationship started in January 2018 vs during. There is a major decline in Page’s behavior and affect. They also dated for 6 months before getting married. This did not look like a healthy relationship at all.

Portner has posted a lot of cult like things about gender and does the “vague and/or oversharing post and then delete” move on social media. I get “Gone Girl” vibes from her.

Elliot Page files for divorce from Emma Portner by SailorMoon2020 in Lesbians

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Her wife seems like a total psycho that gives off narcissist or sociopath vibes. I hope Page is OK and gets to a healthy state of mind, whatever that looks like. I will be curious to see if she remains as fervent in her adherence to gender ideology. Watching this with bated breath, but I honestly hope she takes a break from the public eye for her own sake.

Teen Vogue promotes rape porn to teen girls and says women can enjoy it and that it is "feminist" thing to do. What an actual fk? by ColoredTwice in GenderCritical

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A trans woman wrote that? What’s their name?

In Pakistan, honor killings of women are legal, but transphobia is illegal. by [deleted] in GenderCritical

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Can you provide sources and and explain what you mean when you say “transphobia is illegal” in those places? As a GC-aligned gay woman, I’m not disagreeing with the general premise

Planning underway for the trans Holocaust by Chunkeeguy in GenderCritical

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Sadly she considers herself non-binary/genderqueer and this followed a rant about how she hates being reminded that she’s female and to hear her bag referred to as a “purse.” She does have many good qualities. And I should clarify for any bystanders that I’m also a lesbian (i.e. a female homosexual) and I’m not telling this story to paint lesbians in any particular way. In my experience, lesbian reactions to gender ideology are very varied.

Planning underway for the trans Holocaust by Chunkeeguy in GenderCritical

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When I recently asked my otherwise lovely lesbian friend who is openly about third wave feminism why she would want to perpetrate gender stereotypes if she is so against being associated with ones for women and she got silent for a noticeable amount of time and then said “because they’re important to trans people and their identities.” Yikes.

They're coming for the word "female" and "biological female" by [deleted] in GenderCritical

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They’re not trying to be consistent or logical. They’re just deliberately trying to create confusion and make other people doubt their own common sense by how dedicated they are to the bullshit. Typical personality disorder stuff.

GC: I have questions that need answers by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

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Yes, this is what I’m getting at. Trans women’s dysphoria often seems awfully conveniently selective and superficial. But I was hoping OP would also ponder these questions on their own and give it serious thought.

GC: I have questions that need answers by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

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Do you ever wonder why bottom surgery in trans women never seems to involve removing the prostate even though women don’t have prostates? Women don’t produce semen so why is the prostate kept in tact during bottom surgery? Why does it seem that no trans women talk about how dysphoric their prostates make them feel?

How far away is "normal"? by HelloMomo in Lesbians

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Oh Jesus. I was referring to the full body of her contributions to this sub and to s/LGBDroptheT. I’m not interested in policing meanies. I am interested in people not unduly assuming her intentions, character, and perspective based on a limited interaction such that it would discourage her from contributing further content because quite frankly this place can already be a drag sometimes.

Trans Rights Are Not Like Gay Rights! Trans is NOT the New Gay by Lingenfelter in GenderCritical

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This thread is not making GC look good on either end, both for the blame of individual LGB people and what apparently is an attempt to defend LGBT orgs who sold out LGB people for $$$. I’m suddenly reminded why I could not get into Ovarit and why I don’t post as much here anymore.

Trans Rights Are Not Like Gay Rights! Trans is NOT the New Gay by Lingenfelter in GenderCritical

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Just no. Nope. No. No thanks. No to all of it. Not sure what you were thinking with this or who you think it is that you’re grandstanding to but you’re tilting at windmills. Your comment is so out-of-touch, presumptuous, disproportionate, and over-the-top in how much of a misread it is on what my point was. It also manages to be absurdly offensive in its comparison of your own (incorrect) assumption about what I think and believe to historical situations implicating the murders of my own family members and other areas of history I studied extensively while obtaining a degree in history. Incredible.

Trans Rights Are Not Like Gay Rights! Trans is NOT the New Gay by Lingenfelter in GenderCritical

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I think we’re not saying inconsistent things. The understanding of who is considered a transsexual changed greatly over the last century. There were AGPs hanging out in gay bars in the U.S. in the 60s but they were considered something separate and not part of the gay liberation movement.

I do agree that there has been a deliberate long-standing campaign by AGP males and this is an area I need to research more, and they have always hidden behind HSTS. That being said, the orgs in question did allow themselves to get captured and invert their original purposes and turn their backs on gay people all while pretending to still represent us and now silencing us and our straight women allies. It’s a massive shitstorm.

guess i'm not a liberal anymore by knownasness in Lesbians

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Yikes. I don’t want to believe this is true.

Trans Rights Are Not Like Gay Rights! Trans is NOT the New Gay by Lingenfelter in GenderCritical

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There is a difference between activists/organizations and everyday gay/bi people. LGB people aren’t as politically homogenous as many people believe, but yes I totally blame activists who claim to represent me who helped usher this in, and I know that gay people have to be on the vanguard at cleaning up this mess. We got here because historically transsexual people were generally same-sex attracted so they needed same sex rights too. These other issues are not our issues. AGPs were neither part of our movement nor gay allies.

How far away is "normal"? by HelloMomo in Lesbians

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No problem dude. <3 I’ve got your back!

I'm unfazed by a ballpark of 20% because I'm biased, I see this shit everywhere-- and that is a bias I have. As you pointed out in your other comment, I'm at the tip-top of Gen Z so I know a lot of people like this. Like a lot. (The belief "everyone is bisexual" is very common among the people my age who I have met.)

And this is why I have lack of trust in a lot of the self-identification into LGBT. I think a lot of lesbians closer to my age have had enough experience by now to see conclude that the vast majority of women are not actually bisexual. But at least in part because pressure into performative female bisexuality for male benefit is forced on young girls and women, now coupled with the gave that LGBT identification is seen as connoting virtue and open-mindedness, there is so much incentive to identify in.

We all have stories of things along the lines of a girl who has kissed one or more girls while drunk or been in a threesome considering herself bisexual when it’s not sexual attraction to women that drove her into that activity. Additionally, some people like to test out and explore their sexual boundaries so they may mistake lack of sexual repulsion to the same sex as attraction, which I think is very different. I think to be very experimental, that lack of repulsion is key and I think that also has degrees. Some women can just make out with anyone but do they have an interest in eating or fingering a pussy? Are they turned on by a woman’s body outside of picturing themselves in a porn fantasy?

I feel like there has been an increase in young self-identifying “pansexual” women like this who my friends have had a lot of experience with lately, and they seem very detached and at odds with lesbians and very much come across as tourists. If you’re like me and not super keen on a relationship right now, it’s not the worst thing in the world, but it does feel like they’re trying to earn some street cred for being open-minded and to check that box before going back to men. They also seem very disconnected from the contours of their own sexual orientation, like they can’t describe what they find attractive in women (meanwhile, let me write you a novel), and fall back on cliches like “I’m attracted to everyone” or “I’m into everyone,” which honestly we know can’t be true. They often don’t come out at all to their families because why bother when they know they’re not going to end up in a same-sex relationship long term. And another thing I’ve noticed with some of them is that they hang around LGB people/lesbians, and there appears to be some imitation going on. Given my own circumstance, that’s hard to understand but I’ve seen it enough that I can see it’s a thing that’s happening. Like the trans/nb social contagion but often with less grooming.

So is this meaningfully bisexual/LGB? Yea IDK and I’d like to hear the perspective from bisexuals here on saidit, especially about the difference between attraction to both sexes (even if it’s uneven) vs lack of repulsion to one sex.

Plus now we have heterosexual and bisexual females identifying as lesbians and being the ones to date trans-identifying males. I think my time in r/LBL has ruined me because it’s so pervasive there that people are out of touch with their own sexual orientation and a lot of collective delusion as they rush to validate each other. Meanwhile they stay in their marriages and just buy flannel and jean jackets, post selfies, and gush over lesbian Tik Tok. Not to mention the whole “Tik tok made me gay” thing is not even actually satire because bored/boring people see lesbian/LGBT as a lifestyle and aesthetic.

How far away is "normal"? by HelloMomo in Lesbians

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I agree that I don’t trust GLAAD’s statistics and that even from my standpoint as an LBL, I don’t believe the elevated numbers are mostly explained by more people feeling safe to come out. But I really think you’re being overly harsh here and have the wrong impression of u/reluctant_commenter. She has provided a lot of insightful statistical analysis here and I hope she will continue to do so. She is absolutely not someone who is smug or who can’t take being wrong, but someone who is interested in accuracy and measured, reasoned analysis, not hot takes.

I think there also may be some generational divide at play since she’s Gen Z and around a lot of wokies. From my millennial standpoint where people are still more likely to base their sexual orientation and sense of self on their sex and a lot of tomboys still exist, it feels pretty clear to me that we are a tiny minority.

How far away is "normal"? by HelloMomo in Lesbians

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I’m going to have to look further into this but 3-4% sounds way more accurate from my vantage point and experience. Anything even close to 10% seems way too high and I am not inclined to trust GLAAD as a source. Words have been bastardized beyond comprehension for maximum political gain these days and there are also a lot of LARPers/trenders. For example, pansexual often means woke straight (only ever been attracted to the opposite sex both open to the idea of the same sex). GLAAD in particular defines sexual orientations based on gender attraction. So you get people into the opposite sex but covering “all genders” and pronouns claiming LGB membership.

20% of millennials identifying as LGBTQ sounds especially like horseshit and I’m a millennial who has spent a lot of time living in concentrated woke epicenters so I already don’t feel like I can trust that data.

Propaganda orgs like these have every incentive to manipulate their data and claim the maximum numbers possible.

Suddenly it’s like their lesbianism never existed :( by [deleted] in GenderCritical

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Two things: I have been calling out Ellen Page for a while on her anti-women and anti-lesbian actions so she hasn’t been a role model to me personally in recent times. For example when she contributed to getting a lesbian bad in Japan shut down. I’m giving you my perspective on who is available as a role model and Ellen was not a role model to me until Elliot happened. I knew about the stuff with Page before the stuff with Sarah. I can’t respect the celesbians who betray women and lesbians in that way.

Second, I’m a fan of Tracy Chapman and her music but I think she’s made it pretty clear she doesn’t want to address her sexual orientation even though she was outed by ex-girlfriends. We can obviously look up to her but you must admit that it’s odd to have to rely on a lesbian role model who hasn’t admitted to being a lesbian and doesn’t talk about it. She could be bisexual for all we know. Nothing wrong with that but someone being able to communicate and publicize issues that are unique to being a lesbian would be a nice thing to have in a role model.

Suddenly it’s like their lesbianism never existed :( by [deleted] in GenderCritical

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She has aged a million years since beginning to date her wife in 2018 and looks miserable and worn. The entire relationship looks unhealthy af for her.

Suddenly it’s like their lesbianism never existed :( by [deleted] in GenderCritical

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Looks more like internalized homophobia, mental illness and/or abuse by her wife than a publicity stunt when you look closely at the timeline, details, and her personal history.

Suddenly it’s like their lesbianism never existed :( by [deleted] in GenderCritical

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Sarah Paulson calls women/lesbians TERFs. Hardly a role model. I don’t think Tracy Chapman has officially come out of the closet so even she doesn’t want to be a lesbian role model. It’s also already been pointed out that some others you mentioned are not lesbians.

As of 60 minutes ago, r/BiologicalLesbians has been banned by [deleted] in Lesbians

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I have no problem whatsoever with gold star positivity but I am not myself one and neither are the majority of lesbians I personally know, even the ones that I find impossible to picture with a man. While you are entitled to your opinion, there are a number of possible scenarios that can result in a lesbian not being a gold star due to having “willingly fucked” a man. Trauma often has a lot to do with how we end up in this scenario making the choice that results in us not being gold stars. It doesn’t mean we were ever attracted to men.

But I do believe generally that there is a scale of believability. Some people’s stories don’t really add up to them being lesbians and there are now resources actively convincing straight and bisexual women that they’re lesbians when they’re not.

Derry Girls by [deleted] in Lesbians

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Did you end up reading it?

Derry Girls by [deleted] in Lesbians

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I was literally just watching a clip and having this same thought, so this is quite freaky timing. I’ve always assumed that a lot of nuns were lesbians generally.

And Sister Michael, why not? She clearly thinks nothing of the pretty boy priest that all the girls are into.

This is a test created by TIMs for other prospective TIMs to test if they have real ladybrain. Test yourself and find out! by gendercritfem in GenderCritical

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A few questions in and it's pretty clear I'm mangender in their eyes based on the sexist stereotypes they're pushing. No dudes, I'm a lesbian and quite a femme one like you want to be, which is why this is so funny.

But this is also a fascinating look into their thought process and what they think about women.

Saddened by the non-binary / theybie trend by [deleted] in GenderCritical

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I know some non-binary lesbians who still talk a lot about women’s issues and clearly identify with them but consider themselves “genderqueer.” They look like normal, quite feminine homosexual females honestly. And they maintain that sex and gender are different and seem surprised when you point out that people are saying that biological sex isn’t real. When you question them about what why they’re genderqueer/non-binary, you get mumbo jumbo about “breaking the binary” and stuff that sounds like they want to be in control of their own destiny and how “pronouns are powerful.” They just ignore everything you say that doesn’t fit into their ideology. It’s sad and frustrating.

QT: Why are people not allowed to feel disappointed when someone transitions? by questioningtw in GCdebatesQT

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What I will say is that I believe that gender dysphoria is real and is something very commonly felt by LGB people. That being said, it has been defined in the DSM V way too broadly, which is going to draw a lot of criticism naturally. Pretty much to the point that “if gay, then dysphoric.” I also think the current state of gender activism and encourage people to a actively think about their gender and whether they’re really men or really women creates its own type of dysphoria.

I also think with Ellen Page there is evidence that gender dysphoria was not the main or only cause of her new claiming a NB/trans identity. She is most certainly having some kid of mental breakdown and seems to be surrounded by vultures who are using her and creating or contributing to dysphoria.

How can we have a biological lesbians subreddit but not a biological women subreddit? by JustWhy in GenderCritical

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Everyone is too scared to post there because it’s like putting a target on your back. Also, they are still pro-TRA there. It’s absolutely not GC. You are not allowed to be openly GC there. They still bend over backwards to validate the transbians.

I think if it developed any serious momentum it would be banned instantly. It seems more to exist so that Reddit can say it does.

Elliot Page's wife says gender identity and sexuality are private by alttrawl in GenderCritical

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I married a man. I’m a lesbian and no longer in that relationship. There are a lot of reasons people can end up in relationships with people they’re not attracted to, including denial, fame, money, power and more sinister reasons. Look at “Gigi Gorgeous.” That is an actual homosexual male married to a supposed lesbian who happens to be an extremely wealthy and impressionable heiress. Gigi looks like he’s dying inside when he kisses her though.

Likewise, look up pics of Ellen and Emma. Ellen is smitten and Emma is cold, indifferent, and always has her body turned away. There is seriously no love or even warmth and friendship flowing from Emma to Ellen in any picture. Ellen has had more chemistry with every random celebrity friend she knows than with with Emma. And they got married after only 6 months.

This entire relationship, Ellen’s mental state, how Emma acted right before and after Ellen’s announcement to make herself look like a victim to get sympathy while she is clearly driving this, are flashing neon warning signs. There is some weird grooming and manipulative behavior going on here but it’s not by the older woman, Ellen.

What does the child trans judgement mean? | Sarah Phillimore | The Critic Magazine by BiologyIsReal in GenderCritical

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History is determined by who our sense of the victors are at any given time and some players are all about that long game. And perceptions of history change over time as we are always viewing historical events through the lens of our current times, our personal experiences, and current trends. Sometimes this results in blatant lies and historical revisionism (e.g., Marsha P. Johnson the trans woman founder of gay rights and Stonewall instigator) but other times it’s more through our values and intellectual trends. So to the extent that these days we harp on those who say “it was a different time” as being apologists, they’re kind of right.

Anyway, you are largely right, but this is still a huge motivating force for a lot of people, particularly the people who are along for the rise here and falling back on “just being nice” because they have no idea what’s going on, and to a certain extent, who can blame them. . . . Until now. There are a lot of people who can still wake up and get off this ride.

Sex Reassignment Surgery Market size to exceed $1.5 Bn by 2026 by VioletRemi in GenderCritical

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Excellent analysis. I tried researching that recently about whether TW remove their prostates or if it’s talked about and I couldn’t find anything. I thought about it because I was reading about certain supposedly fully transitioned MtF getting prostate cancer.

Sex Reassignment Surgery Market size to exceed $1.5 Bn by 2026 by VioletRemi in GenderCritical

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It is telling that girls are trying to remove the parts of their bodies for which they are objectified and men are trying to gain those same parts. Girls dissociating from sexualization/objectification and men trying to become sexualized/objectified. This is horrifying all around. And for lesbians there’s a few things going on but for butch lesbians it’s not hard to see the appeal and pressure of appearing like and being treated like a straight man rather a masculine/GNC. Change your body so that people will exalt you for having the same personal qualities as they ridiculed you for before.

I’m going to be sick. But thankfully I’m finding more opportunities to engage others in discussion and spread awareness. And Ellen Page’s mental breakdown is going to function similarly to JK embracing her tervenness, but in America. The more we actually see and hear from Ellen the more people are going to be interested in finding out what’s going on.

Elliot Page's wife says gender identity and sexuality are private by alttrawl in GenderCritical

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Do you know if Emma has a history with women or of being out as lesbian or bisexual before getting together with Ellen? This whole situation is so weird and is giving me the creeps.

Elliot Page's wife says gender identity and sexuality are private by alttrawl in GenderCritical

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No, Emma is playing the victim while pulling the strings. She is deep in the gender cult stuff, and Ellen has had a clear mental breakdown since marrying this narcissist-seeming woman after knowing her for only 6 months.

I know you jest about Emma going from lesbian to straight with Ellen’s transition, but she could legitimately be straight for all I know because she’s clearly not actually into Ellen.

About the lack of logic in gender movement on Page's example by MezozoicGay in GenderCritical

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It’s not that it must be immutable but rather that people tend to only want to provide anti-discrimination/human rights protections for things that people see as immutable (e.g., sex, race), on the one hand, and either innate and not chosen (e.g., sexual orientation) or deeply personal and central to one’s being (e.g., religion, political opinion), on the other hand.

That’s why “Born This Way” was such a powerful slogan. But we don’t need to have been born this way. It’s at least set very early in life, appears immutable, and is very central to our being. And being homosexual and bisexual operates and manifests very differently from sexual paraphilia.

We LGB people who migrated over from reddit after the banning of our sex-defined spaces have a wide range of views, political beliefs, and life experiences, and are pretty candid about how we have experienced the world as homosexual and bisexual people, and, as you would know, none of us ever “chose” to be this way. I’m honestly still often confused how I’m a lesbian. I was waiting for it to “make sense” and thought “why me?” and “how?” but regardless of how I have ever felt about my sexuality at different points in my life, I always just am. Even if I never told anyone and never dated anyone. And what makes me a lesbian is that this feels good and natural for me. When I tried to be in a relationship with a man, I even didn’t realize how exhausting it was on my mind, body, and spirit until I let myself leave. And how much I had to mute about myself to live that life. That wasn’t natural.

Anyway, I’m digressing, but I also want to point out that on the subject of innateness, the example of Laverne Cox. Laverne Cox has an identical twin brother. Both are sexually attracted to men, but only one of them was “born in the wrong body.” Makes you think. So same-sex attraction appears innate, but transsexuality clearly has social components, even the homosexual transsexual variety.

Lesbian representation on a MAJOR Mainstream fashion magazine ! by [deleted] in Lesbians

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Well, we can still look at least. They are models after all. Here's Freja Beha Erichsen and Catherine McNeil, lesbian and bisexual power couple that sadly is no more. Freha has dated many models. Catherine has dated a few and was previously engaged to Ruby Rose.

Lesbian representation on a MAJOR Mainstream fashion magazine ! by [deleted] in Lesbians

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Wow, I love everything about this. They look amazing and that cover is just aesthetically fire. I kinda wanna get a print of this framed in my home, and now I kinda think I will.

As an aside, there are actually a lot of female supermodels who date each other, some openly, many more surreptitiously, since appearing available to men is treated as a job requirement. I'm talking both lesbian and bisexual women.

Rose of Dawn is reading the court documents for the Kiera Bell case, noting that the Tavistock's defense witnesses were overwhelmingly children they had put on puberty blockers and hormones. by alttrawl in GenderCritical

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I still have to see this from Rose but I previously saw live reporting on the witnesses for Tavistock that were supposed to constitute the success stories and they were all SO young still. Some of them still minors I think and the oldest maybe 20-21. All younger than Keira was when she detransitioned and younger than she was when she was cutting off her perfectly healthy body parts. Keira says if you had asked her at that age whether it was the right decision for her, she would have given you an enthusiastic yes. Remember, T can give girls relief from heavy emotions, take away their ability to cry, take away anxiety, and give them confidence. What girl doesn’t want those things ?

We have still not heard the last of these witnesses and teenagers should not be used as success stories. God I hate being associated with this child grooming fuckery, but all of this is helping me peak people IRL. I’ve finally gotten a number of men to take notice and really listen, and hopefully they will continue to spread the message.

Newsnight - Keira Bell and Susie Green by jet199 in GenderCritical

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Lol no one at the Tavistock Clinic was available to appear on the BBC? Sure Jan.

Ellen Page is claiming to be transgender. What is going on?! by socialistrobot in GenderCritical

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She came out at an event hosted by the Human Rights Campaign and has continued to work with them, so she very likely has been groomed into this. Obviously she's a grown woman (or was lol), but I'm sure it has been difficult for her to be a tomboyish lesbian in Hollywood.

Bisexual woman on why bisexual women shouldn't identify as lesbians by LesbianInExile in Lesbians

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You are entitled to your opinion and I note your "pre-apology," but yes, you do sound pretty damn trifling if that's your one takeaway from this article most of which you found "eye-roll inducing." It does suck the life out of here to see attitudes like this become the dominant force in this space. I think I'm just gonna take a break and see myself out after this one. It's gotten so cold in s/Lesbians.

Twitter bans Senator Doug Mastriano after he led hearing over Pennsylvania election discrepancies by Drewski in censorship

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I bet this is fully consistent with all of your other political beliefs. Sure Jan.

Why I don't like reddit lesbian subs by [deleted] in Lesbians

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I appreciate your take and username. Your English is perfect.

I would add to your post, and you may disagree, that from my perspective sex with a strap-on nowadays isn’t inherently lesbophobic, but rather the expectation or belief that this is or should be the main/cornerstone lesbian sex act is. I’m not particularly fond of it myself, but also not categorically against it either. It is rather impersonal to me and just lacks a lot of the appeal of other other sex acts that involve pure body to body contact. Also, heteronormative sex and relationship dynamics do not appeal to me.

Why do some women want to be lesbian so bad? by peaked2020 in Lesbians

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This is a mentally ill woman.

Why do some women want to be lesbian so bad? by peaked2020 in Lesbians

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You weren’t kidding. This woman makes long winded obsessive comments about how attracted to and aroused by men she is even saying she loves dick pics (and I’ve never heard any straight woman say that before). And at the end of each post she says she’s identifying as a lesbian despite admitting she never feels attraction to women and her only basis for believing she is a lesbian being repressed memories of watching lesbian porn when she was younger.

Her recent posts indicate she has a therapist who suggests she might have conditions including BPD but no mention of OCD. I sincerely hope she gets a diagnosis by someone qualified. This is also why I hate affirmation only counseling because ANYONE should be able to spot that this is a straight woman dealing with serious obsessive and disordered thinking and making major life in decisions based on it, and a professional should feel empowered to raise it.

The other aspect of this that enrages me is the lack of pushback on r/LBL. There are a few comments pointing out that she’s attracted to men and/or that she likely has HOCD but most people are ignoring the red flags (like not even red flags - this is a woman ranting about how straight she is who just says she’s a “lesbian” at the end). But these are the minority. No one is calling out that it’s inappropriate to call yourself a lesbian if you’re attracted to men. It’s really gross to see and exactly why actual lesbians aren't going to hang around there.

What's the most lesbian thing you did as a kid? by onetwothree123 in Lesbians

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A bond I never knew I would share! I just looked up a picture for old times’ sake and they’re still magnificent so our younger selves had good taste and it was clearly our manifest destiny to be lesbians.

Bimbo TikTok: People Who Engage in a Performance of Hyperfemininity by anxietyaccount8 in GenderCritical

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Good catch. Even the panderers can never get the pronouns right.

What's the most lesbian thing you did as a kid? by onetwothree123 in Lesbians

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The first time I saw the “Draw me like one of your French girls” scene in Titanic, I was sitting next to my mom on her bed and I gasped out loud at Kate Winslet’s boobs, and said something like “they’re huge!” My mom actually thought it was funny.

I was so transfixed by Kate Winslet and her boobs. As soon as I could be left home alone I would put in the VHS of Titanic and fast forward to that scene and then I would have to make sure to carefully rewind to the beginning so no one would know. I watched this all the time. I was pretty young so I didn’t know exactly what was going on but I also knew this was something I should do in secret.

Bimbo TikTok: People Who Engage in a Performance of Hyperfemininity by anxietyaccount8 in GenderCritical

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“Even though the aesthetic is rooted in consumerism and being all about money and things, we’re trying to push it the opposite way,” says Griffin Maxwell Brooks, a 19-year-old mechanical and engineering aerospace student at Princeton University. “The modern bimbo aesthetic is more about a state of mind and embracing, ‘I want to dress however I want and look hot and not cater to your expectations.'”

Then why are you catering to their expectations to a T? Nothing groundbreaking here.

On TikTok, Brooks favors glittery mesh tops, jangly earrings, jewel-toned hair dye and bedazzled combat boots; with Chlapecka, they are one of the unofficial leaders of the bimbo movement on TikTok, going viral in October with a video of him summarizing the bimbo aesthetic. “The bimbo is not only blissfully and ignorant and spacey but exists at the aesthetic intersection of tackiness and luxury,” they say in the video. “To be a bimbo, one must let go of their former earthly possessions and relationships to adopt a gaudy yet lonely lifestyle.”

If you google him, this is just a garden variety man likely in the early stages of autogynephilia.

If "woman" was a gender identify innate in trans-womxyn, then this woman wouldn't have a job. These men's gender identities are clearly: men who wish they were women by SnowAssMan in GenderCriticalGuys

[–]yousaythosethings 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Here's the first guy Kristen Browde's LinkedIn. So he went to an Ivy League undergrad (Cornell), law school, was a reporter/CBS News Anchor for over two decades, ran for the New York state assembly, had many appointments as a lawyer, clearly has a lot of money, lives in one of the highest income places in the entire United States, etc. And then at age 65, the standard retirement age, we're supposed to accept him as a woman? How is this not some sort of retirement vacation fantasy for this guy?

Also, for the people who say that transwomen have no male privilege because they receive female socialization. If they received female socialization from childhood, they wouldn't need it now.

Dysphoric male pervert: “In conclusion, don't call me a man, but I can call you a TERF, uwu” – fuck that double standard. Can we kill this shitty video already? It's biology-critical tyranny by SnowAssMan in GenderCriticalGuys

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I am reminded of the time TRAs were posting HSTS transwomen at lesbians saying, "really, you aren't attracted to these [penis people]?" I pointed out that those transwomen were not into women anyway, and did they have any examples of attractive, passing female attracted transwomen? I got a ton of replies, but only one answer. That answer: Natalie Wynn/Contrapoints.

They were serious.

Dr. Will Powers Endorses the Existence of Autogynephilia on Reddit and then Walks it Back After AGPs Tell Him Tales of "Gender Euphoria" by yousaythosethings in GenderCritical

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This is the correct response. I think sometimes their euphoria might seem "non-sexual" because for some of them, their sexuality is driven entirely inward. As in they stop have sexual feelings and desire outside of themselves and may start identifying as "asexual." But the feelings are sexual nonetheless. Copying for context, the four categories of sexual fantasy associated with autogynephilia:

  • Transvestic autogynephilia: arousal to the act or fantasy of wearing typically feminine clothing

  • Behavioral autogynephilia: arousal to the act or fantasy of doing something regarded as feminine

  • Physiologic autogynephilia: arousal to fantasies of body functions specific to people regarded as female

  • Anatomic autogynephilia: arousal to the fantasy of having a normative woman's body, or parts of one

Hence, behavioral autogynephilia allows them to sexualize an entirely non-sexual experience like shopping for tampons or using a woman's bathroom. Euphoria = Boners. Always.

Anti-Master Doc document circulating on social media, comphet-supporting "lesbians" are losing their minds by [deleted] in Lesbians

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I have no problem with people spreading out my ideas, adapting them, or taking ownership over them or whatever. I’d like to personally avoid an army of bored straight girls and transbians attacking me.

Instead we should just make our own brief Master Doc. I just wrote this as kind of a joke in a few mins but I think it’s already better than this other Mumbo Jumbo: (1) What led you to look up whether you’re a lesbian? What else is going on in your life? (2) Are you drawn to this doc because you’ve felt attraction to a woman in real life? What did that feel like? How did your body respond? (3) Do you feel actual attraction to women in the real world outside of your head, so more than just porn, hypothetical women, and celebrities? (4) Go outside and walk around. Who are your eyes drawn to and why? (5) What are you attracted to in women/women’s bodies/appearances? (6) Hook up with a woman. Thoughts? (7) Do you have an aversion to or lack of interest in men IRL? In what scenarios or ways? How does it feel when a man demonstrates romantic or sexual interest in you? (8) Mostly the same questions, but change the sexes + do you have desire or interest in hooking up with a man?

But then you run into the problem of how this really just needs to be grounded in real world experiences and feelings. Like it doesn’t mean you have to be physically engaging with other women but that you’re thinking about feelings in your body as you see and interact with women IRL. I think all the comments are right that if someone spends too much time in their own head they’re just going to start shoe horning things in to fit their desired narrative. I think some of the most telling things are why the woman is looking up whether she’s a lesbian and how connected or not that is to the real world. And of course woman will always be defined as biological female.

Anti-Master Doc document circulating on social media, comphet-supporting "lesbians" are losing their minds by [deleted] in Lesbians

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The funny (sad?) thing is that it purports to be the opposite because it convinces straight and bisexual women they’re lesbians, and lesbians don’t do think, right? Well in their world lesbians have and like penises because it turns out if you just brainwash a straight woman into thinking she’s a lesbian, she’s just going to go for the “lesbians” with dicks. So inclusive!

Anti-Master Doc document circulating on social media, comphet-supporting "lesbians" are losing their minds by [deleted] in Lesbians

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Bi+ for narcissists and trenders who think attraction to both sexes isn’t “inclusive” enough.

Anti-Master Doc document circulating on social media, comphet-supporting "lesbians" are losing their minds by [deleted] in Lesbians

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She doesn’t care at all if bisexual women want to call themselves lesbians. She totally supports that as long as those women also recognize that they are bisexual. That’s the entire gist of this.

This is from memory, but she mentions that “lesbian” has many definitions and mentions two, and neither of which is female homosexuality. She sprinkles a few other definitions throughout the text. The only time she comes close to defining “lesbian” as female homosexuality is in response to one of the points, she says “that’s not homosexuality.” She does accurately point out that the Master Doc is premised on the idea that lesbian = lack of attraction to man gender and not even lack of attraction to man gender coupled with attraction to woman gender. She can’t say “female homosexuality” because she’s trying to validate the idea of a trans lesbian and ground everything in Queer Theory. So we end up with a big mess of her using “lesbian” to mean many different things as is convenient without her specifying, so she does exactly what she criticizes the Master Doc for doing.

The main problem is that she’s not actually concerned at all with what a lesbian is, which is why she doesn’t care whether it has a clear definition or not. She’s only concerned about what a bisexual is. She makes it clear that she can be both lesbian and bisexual. Only lesbians don’t get our own word with a stable meaning. So in waxing poetic about bi erasure, she commits lesbian erasure, just in the opposite way that she’s thinking about, since even she implies that women are reading the doc thinking they’re lesbians when they’re not. But again, she’s personally only concerned about a self-accepting or questioning bisexual reading this and becoming convinced she’s not bisexual, but rather lesbian. Discussions of erasure can get so tired though. We are all focused on our own shit and agendas. We can’t be focused on and mindfully “inclusive” of everyone at all times. Both she and the Master Doc try to shoe horn in trans people in ways that blow up their entire point, water down meaning, and make them hypocritical.

She is also wrong that this was written by a TERF. It was written by a queer theory loving misandrist political lesbian who is dollars to donuts either bisexual or straight. But she doesn’t care whether political lesbians misappropriate lesbianism as long as such individuals recognize their bisexuality.

Anti-Master Doc document circulating on social media, comphet-supporting "lesbians" are losing their minds by [deleted] in Lesbians

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To me, she's saying this was created by a political lesbian. She seems to correctly identify the concept of political lesbians. But she fails to point out that political lesbians aren't actual lesbians (or at least mostly aren't) and that they're mostly straight and bisexual women.

However, she fails in also conflating political lesbian with RadFem with TERF. Those aren't synonyms even though they can overlap. She makes it clear that she has no idea what a "TERF" is and seems to conflate it with obsession with gender conformity. She is able to identify the misogyny espoused by political lesbians, but funny enough not the misandry. Her piece is littered with generalizations about men sucking, not merely that having bad experiences/relationships with men is a common experience for women and does not indicate lesbianism.

Anti-Master Doc document circulating on social media, comphet-supporting "lesbians" are losing their minds by [deleted] in Lesbians

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Well, I don't need to tell anyone here that I didn't write this. There is a lot of tunnel vision and misattribution going on in this analysis, but overall this is more good than bad IMO. It is important that someone got the conversation started, and specifically someone non-TERFY and into Queer Theory. I also saw that a trans bi person apparently made a video against the Master Doc. I don’t know that I have any interest in watching it though. But the siren needs to blare from the inside to have effect.

There is a lot of hypocrisy and inconsistency within this analysis, but that’s what you get when you try to ground an analysis in queer theory, and when you try to make every act of erasure, big or small, about “hate.” You’re going to step on just as many other people’s toes. We all commit “erasure” to some degree because we are also so focused on ourselves and what we know and care about. We can’t care about all things. We can’t know all things. We can’t understand the complex struggles of all people, and we certainly shouldn’t be expected to be born knowing them. So while this lady's perspective is selfish and ignorant at times, we all are to some degree, I can appreciate the good in it without harping on the bad as malevolent. Overall, I think she made it pretty clear that she believes that the author of the doc is a political lesbian or is espousing ideas consistent with political lesbian. It would be helpful for her to define that more and to indicate that political lesbians aren’t “lesbians,” but she’s too stuck on the idea that “lesbian” can have a million self-serving definitions and we don’t know what someone means by “lesbian” until they indicate their definition. So while she is concerned about bisexual erasure, lesbian erasure and lesbophobia is not a concern for her. I think it’s also evident that she thinks that political lesbian = TERF. Like it can, but that’s not inherently the same thing. And let’s be real, no “TERF” is writing about “gender feelings” and women being attracted to trans women as a sign of lesbianism. Like come on, dude.

It’s also clear that she doesn’t think actual lesbians are behind this trying to convert bisexuals because if she has been researching this topic for months and says it’s being passed around “shady” parts of the Internet, there's no way wasn't snooping around r/latebloomerlesbians for a while, and realized, as an actual bisexual, that the prosletyzers there are most definitely not lesbians themselves. For one, if she read enough posts, she likely realized she has far more concrete, real-life sexual attraction to women than them, hence her emphasis on the problem of the lack of focus of the Master Doc on attraction to the female body. And hence that she emphasizes learning from attraction you feel to actual women in your life in the real world and engaging in experiences with women over weird Internet thought exercises (Hallelujah). I've said it before, and I'll say it again, the actual bisexuals in r/LBL are the most reasonable there, even the queery ones. Lesbians won't stick around in the Upside Down for long so you're not going to get much engagement from them there. So often the only pushing back happening on these LARPers there comes from bisexuals pointing out bi erasure, and they absolutely should. It is a problem, and this is part and parcel to that.

Also, does anyone have any idea what she's referring to here?

It seems people’s biggest issue with me is that I tweeted, and stand by, the idea that this document is full of awful conversion rhetoric and misinformation and sending it to bisexual people (especially when unprompted) is just bigotted and mean. This kind of bigotry in the lgbt community leads to literal violence against bisexual people, the majority of who are trans and/or poc as well.

Like obviously it's a dick move to send this to bisexual women, but the rest of it - the Master Doc leading to literal violence and bisexuals and that most bisexuals are trans or POC, what? Like does she mean in the world because most people in the world aren't white? And most bisexuals are trans? How do you figure?

The references to "TERF rhetoric" are interesting because it shows she knows nothing about the diverse group of people who get called "TERF." Like obviously, a lot of things can get you called TERF, but I've never heard any terven woman espouse any of the things she associates with "TERFs." She seems to think TERF = obsessed with gender conformity. It's absolutely delicious that she calls the idea of a woman being attracted to a feminine/gender non-conforming man as evidence of lesbianism transphobic + TERF logic. That's one way to strike a major nerve in these female trans chasers. No one calls out the straight women who date transwomen and call themselves "lesbians" and stan the "girldick" "chasers" but that is exactly what a female trans chaser looks like IMO.

“You wish you weren’t attracted to men / You wish you were a lesbian” I know straight women aren’t reading this but if they were they would be laughing with me.

She gets so hyperfocused on her own group, bisexuals, that she seems to forget that straight women are reading this, as evident by her point that the Master Doc implies lesbianism is women who don't like the idea of dating men and that it's completely disconnected from lack of attraction to the female body.

She's ignorant about lesbianism being what erases bisexuality. Well many lesbians do, but in the opposite way. Not by trying to convince bisexual women they're lesbians but by considering bisexual women straight. I'm just confused about how this woman, who I will believe is actually bisexual, and has an interest in "queer history" has somehow missed this. In reality, she is doing a lot of her own bisexual erasure throughout this post when she talks about different definitions of "lesbian," as anything other than exclusive same-sex attraction. If she endorses that a woman can have a history of attraction to men but be a "lesbian" and that bisexuals can be lesbians, how is that not bisexual erasure too? And why should anyone other than homosexual females decide the definition of "lesbian"? If "lesbian" means something else, then shouldn't homosexual females still get their own word?

I've come to find that the way the word "ableist" is used to be tone-deaf, idiotic, and offensive, but then again someone called "ableist" on r/LBL recently because I found it relatively easy to leave my marriage and not fuck men as a lesbian. But you know, apparently the idea that if you're a lesbian, you generally have no interest in continuing to be married to a man or fucking men so ableist.

Since this woman clearly has Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD), I get that she takes offense to the idea that a mental disorder can make a woman think she’s straight. But I find it can be the other way around. It is supremely unhelpful for her to compare disorders that inherently involve a weak sense of self and personal identity with anxiety and depression. My very straight long-time close friend who developed Bipolar disorder in the second half of her twenties experiences hypersexuality when she is hypomanic and manic. One of the early signs she's entered that stage is that she starts to appropriate aspects of myself and incorporate them into herself including my sexual orientation, getting my piercings, adopting my habits, interests, and goals and presenting them as her own to others. And I do suspect that a lot of women with a weak sense of self including those with BPD are among the biggest victims of this Master Doc propaganda, but for some of them I also get the sense that their "bisexuality" is inherently tied into the hypersexuality of their disorder. So it's not that they can't co-exist, but it's on a case by case basis.

The "gender feelings" section makes this author sound like a TERF in disguise. I like that she thinks it is harmful and offensive to "trans women." I mean it is in a way harmful to the generally homosexual transsexuals with sex dysphoria. But this logic is very much the logic repeated by transbians. She's either going to give them an identity crisis, or more likely feel their wrath, especially since she shot an arrow right through the hearts of straight women + trans women in "lesbian" relationships.

If you experience any of the things above, it does not mean you a real lesbian unless you fucking say so.

No, dingus. You undermine your entire point and just wasted your time writing this if you are going to promulgate that all it takes to be a lesbian is to say you're one. Your target audience already made that declaration and you are basically saying that you can't question it as a result and are automatically the bad guy for doing exactly that in long form.

Finally, the idea that Vice published an article about the MasterDoc this past summer has me howling. I’ll have to read that and also tune into the reactions to this verbal takedown in places like r/LBL.