LGB ErasureGay male detrans youtuber Shapeshifter interviewed by Blaire White - 17min version (details in comments)

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[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Flairing this as "LGB Erasure" because that's one of the main themes discussed in the video.

There is a 1hr15min version of this interview available as well.

TLDR: Shapeshifter, who is a youtuber I have never watched before but some of you might know, detransitioned and goes by "he/him" again after undergoing "bottom surgery" and ending up with a host of health problems.

Obligatory "I know a bunch of people here are not Blaire fans, but this is seriously worth a watch." Like for real, this is one of the best detransitioner interviews I've ever seen. I've copied a few of his quotes below if you want a sense of the interview, the whole thing's worth watching.

Fucking heartbreaking. I hope this guy finds peace.

Themes

Some elements of Shape's story that are common detrans experiences:

  • trauma history before trans identification - has extensive childhood trauma (did not describe further)

  • GNC-phobia and sexism - transitioned in order to escape male violence and ("psychologically") to be accepted, because "other men would never accept me as a man" since he is feminine

  • is GNC - enjoys presenting feminine

  • ignored by medical professionals after detransitioning - reached back out to surgeons and doctors, was ignored by all, "they didn't even give me an email"

  • new health problems caused by medical transition - Shape said he now has osteoporosis and scoliosis, which both began after transitioning

  • failed surgery - the neovagina does not even work, and has mostly closed (though he said he has sensation still, unlike the UK detransitioner whose story recently went viral on Twitter and in DailyMail)

  • still has dysphoric fantasies after surgery, just different ones - before surgery, had dreams about not having a dick; after his dick was removed, had dreams about having a dick again

  • alientation - is more alienated from his family now that he is detrans

  • lack of GNC role models - expressed regret that he had no male GNC role models as a child

Quotes

"I'm not a woman, I was always just a man who got suckered into this" (11:00)

"We're just making these greedy surgeons rich. After being through [the] system, the surgeons don't care about us, they really don't. For them, we're just a meal ticket." (11:50)

"Sometimes a bitter truth is better than a sweet lie... I wish someone had just hugged me and said, You're not a woman. You're never gonna be one." (14:10)

Describing someone who had warned him about surgery being dangerous:

"They were telling me the truth, and it's like I wasn't able to hear it, because I was so brainwashed. I was literally convinced I was an actual woman." (14:40)

He discusses how much easier it is to identify as trans than to be a "cis" feminine gay man:

"...I don't know why we're [feminine gay boys] like, the bottom of the barrel, and that sucks."

"Trans is a hot label... feminine boys don't get the same opportunities."

He ends the video by comparing transition surgeries to the lobotomy movement:

"This is lobotomy, of 21st century, you guys heard it first here." (16:40)

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Thank you for the excellent breakdown! Shape Shifter has been making the rounds doing interviews with various YouTubers over the last couple of months. Notably across these interviews he shows an evolution of his thinking. When he was interviewed by Upperhand Mars (a non-reality-denying trans man) earlier, Shape Shifter then expressed interest in exploring a possible non-binary identification before now being of the mindset that the only way for him to identify now is as a feminine gay man using he/him pronouns.

I don't know if it was in this interview he did or another one (possibly with Arty Morty?), but I believe he mentioned the internal part of his penis is still within him and he still feels movement and sensations there, which basically serve as a constant reminder of his bottom surgery regret. I don't have a penis or know anything about the mechanics of that, but that sounds horrifying.

I feel very strongly for Shape Shifter. Despite being in obvious emotional distress about the fallout of his transition and English not being his first language, he is very articulate and blunt in how he describes his experience without veering into being sensationalistic. This is the kind of story that I don't know how anyone can just ignore and say it's not a big deal. From the outside many people would think this was a successful transition or "transition goals."

It's an important reminder that these are real people with entire lives before and after transition who are being failed by the system and censorship of complete and accurate information about medical and surgical transition. I also note that Shape Shifter is from a Muslim country, so it's not surprising that he would want to be viewed as something other than a gay man.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks! Lol, it always makes my day a little brighter when you approve of one of my posts :)

Notably across these interviews he shows an evolution of his thinking. When he was interviewed by Upperhand Mars (a non-reality-denying trans man) earlier, Shape Shifter then expressed interest in exploring a possible non-binary identification before now being of the mindset that the only way for him to identify now is as a feminine gay man using he/him pronouns.

Oh wow, that's awesome that he's still growing and changing in his views! I thought I had heard about him identifying as nonbinary so I was surprised in this video when Blaire described him as "he him." I wonder if he has faced backlash from his fanbase or from TRAs for fully ending trans identification.

Despite being in obvious emotional distress about the fallout of his transition and English not being his first language, he is very articulate and blunt in how he describes his experience without veering into being sensationalistic.

Yes. I noticed that about him, too; that's a good way of putting it. He is very straightforward and says what needs to be said in a way that captures the full extent of damage but that does not, as you said, veer into the sensational.

I also note that Shape Shifter is from a Muslim country, so it's not surprising that he would want to be viewed as something other than a gay man.

Yup. Definitely worth observing. I do worry sometimes that extremists on the left downplay just how hated same-sex attraction is in certain Muslim countries...

[–]Kai_Decadence 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't have a penis or know anything about the mechanics of that, but that sounds horrifying.

Honestly I feel like it would be the equivalent of "phantom nipple pain syndrome" that trans-identified women can get when they have their breasts amputated. Painful and weird because the brain is in distress realizing that something is missing.

Anyhow it's great that Shapeshifter is being forthcoming about the reality of these surgeries and how fucked they really are. You can't ignore him neither, he was a loud peddler of the trans cult and did everything they told him to do. Silence those who speak out against the ideology and getting the surgeries. He did all this and look where it got him.