"Imagine if the public knew about TERFs, so many people would take their side."

yousaythosethings · 2020-07-20T14:24:56+00:00

My friend told me that she got called a TERF recently by some “friends” because of the situation with JK Rowling. They were saying they were over JK because she was transphobic. My friend asked what it is that she said that was transphobic and they had no real explanation. She asked if they had any thoughts about all the misogynistic abuse hurled at JK including newspapers interviewing her ex-husband who proudly confirmed that he hit her and asked if they had any thoughts on that, which they had no thoughts on of course. So she asked if the rest of JK’s contributions are meaningless and she deserves no empathy as a survivor of domestic violence speaking out about the threat of male violence resulting in threats of male violence just because they disagree with her about child transition and the importance of biological sex? Of course they just called my friend a TERF instead of having to think about that.

yousaythosethings · 2020-07-28T03:08:45+00:00

This is a step in the right direction and I hope it’s the first of many. I’m still wrapping my mind around Emma Watson donating to Mermaids and encouraging others to do the same after TRAs hurled violent threats at JK Rowling for acting as a whistleblower (which Emma utterly ignored). I used to really respect Emma but I hold her to a higher standard as a UN Women Goodwill Ambassador and self-proclaimed feminist. Anyone who spends 5 minutes looking into Mermaids should realize that something doesn’t smell right. Why Emma is incapable of seeing the women’s rights issues at play given her station and education is beyond me.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-06T19:15:00+00:00

This is Exhibit A in why trans women are not representative of women, and specifically why transbians are not representative of lesbians, and why they should never be considered to speak on our behalf. Our issues are not their issues and their issues are not our issues.

This is what you get when you replace every lesbian on a board for an LGBT org with a transbian. This is what you get when you give a committee position on women’s issues to a trans woman. And this is what happens when you hire trans women and check the female box on your EEO-1 forms.

Sorry we’re such uncooperative lesbian bitches, but we have no idea what you’re on about mate but it’s not our problem, and we can’t solve it for you.

But since it seems like no one ever taught you the rules of dating, the revised Lesbian edition:

Rule 1 of dating: Be attractive.
Rule 2 of dating: Don’t be unattractive.
Bonus Rule 3 for lesbian dating: males are never attractive.
Bonus Rule 4 for lesbian dating: males are always unattractive.

yousaythosethings · 2020-07-10T19:03:17+00:00

An echo chamber full of penises.

yousaythosethings · 2020-12-01T20:33:58+00:00

Do you have any objective evidence that Marsha P. Johnson was a trans woman who threw the first brick at Stonewall and is responsible for all of our gay rights?

yousaythosethings · 2020-08-18T05:57:44+00:00

I’ve been saying this! Why do they get to have genital preferences about their own bodies and then they also use that as an excuse for why they have genital preferences about others? Many transbians claim that being with another transbian would trigger their dysphoria because they would be dysphoric about their partners’ genitals too, conveniently freeing them to instead pursue “cis lesbians.”

And then they accuse us gay men and women of being “obsessed with genitals” and “obsessed with what’s in people’s pants.” The amount of projection is unreal.

Again, the people who can’t get over their own genitals demand that everyone else get over them so as to be “inclusive” of said people in their sex lives.

How the public is not cottoning on en masse is absolutely maddening and this is basically what peaked me. They control what we call them, what we call ourselves, how we feel about their genitals, how we express our feelings and boundaries. We need to get therapy to not be discriminatory bigots for having a sexual orientation and boundaries but a doctor asking even a child about the circumstances leading them to consider themselves trans is conversion therapy? Are you kidding me.

And to add insult to injury, watching lesbian celebrities dismiss the concerns of lesbians everywhere and call them TERFs is beyond damaging to the community. Wake the fuck up.

yousaythosethings · 2021-01-08T23:24:33+00:00

“But let’s not forget.” How can we? They never shut up about all of the so gay very queer penis-in-vagina sex they’re having. Because they’re totally not virgins, you guys.

yousaythosethings · 2020-07-10T19:16:10+00:00

Add GCDebatesQT to the list of subreddits that have been banned. Now we can't even have discussions for the purposes of understanding each other's position. Super healthy, reddit. And for the record, GCDebatesQT has done even been open since the initial banwave. They weren't accepting user activity while they tried to figure out their next steps after they saw other subreddits get banned.

I can't remember if itsafetish and gendercriticalcynical were already banned, but they're gone too.

yousaythosethings · 2020-09-02T11:25:07+00:00

Being gay in 2020: finding people with the same parts as you to have repulsive bodies.

yousaythosethings · 2020-08-03T15:38:22+00:00

I used to downvote all of the creepy girldick content on actuallesbians but not since they helped get TL, LGBDropTheT, Gender Critical, etc. banned. They should have to deal with the reality of the “women” they chose over actual lesbians. Straight to the top it goes. And IDK if it’s just me and because I hadn’t been on AL that much recently until this week but things really seem like they’re escalating both in terms of women taking somewhat of a stand and the trans posts getting even creepier and more insane. I feel like so many women have to be pretty close to peaking.

yousaythosethings · 2021-02-03T14:59:23+00:00

It’s literally more repulsive IMO. At least most men don’t try to wear my skin and force me to pretend they’re just like me.

They don’t care about being attractive to lesbians. They just want enough of an argument that makes it harder and more complicated for a lesbian to say “no” and have society respect it.

yousaythosethings · 2020-07-10T18:50:15+00:00

Adding to the list that uncensoredLGBT and detrans have been banned. Last I checked, though truelesbians has been banned, truebisexuals and truewlw have not been.

yousaythosethings · 2020-08-05T10:16:42+00:00

Notice the preoccupation with being seen as a lesbian couple and, somehow for some reason, being concerned that people won’t take them seriously as “lesbians.”

Self-Aware Wolves: Gaytrender and Transtrender edition. These people are holding themselves out to the general public as representatives of our demographic. Lord help us all.

yousaythosethings · 2020-07-30T11:41:09+00:00

"I don't want to hang out and talk about dysphoria and stuff like that, I just want to be one of the girls".

So they’re saying that trans women aren’t women? Go be one of the girls with your fellow trans girls bro.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-23T15:32:36+00:00

Considering how fast things have escalated, within 5 years we will see the movement ensconced in a deluge of litigation. Particularly as those in college right now will have been forced to try to adapt to the real world. And they will of course cause mess for the rest of us, but they will come up hard against the limits of what they cannot control. These SJWs are not going to be able to serve underprivileged neighborhoods, the homeless, or volunteer in developing countries if they are pronoun-dependent.

Edit: What terrifies me is that “trans kids” is likely to persist the longest because the kids are being indoctrinated by schools and narcissistic parents so young. It may be a long time until we see the full impact of that and it brings me to tears thinking about those poor kids. In 5 years, Jazz Jennings will still be only 25, the age when he will reach mental maturity. How much more botched surgery will he have in that time? Our only hope is that the discovery in other areas will bring in enough scrutiny to take a step back and look objectively at transing kids. Areas we’ll see backlash sooner are (1) botched surgeries, (2) mass influx of males overwhelming female prisons and ensuing assaults on women, (3) women’s sports being destroyed, (4) mass sexual assaults by trans-identified males on women in women’s spaces, and (5) women finally realizing en masse that “woman” and “female” are becoming taboo words unless they’re describing men.

Edit 2: It’s also only a matter of time before well-intentioned handmaidens peak. We all do unless we’re narcissists. Sooner or later they will be on the wrong side of an AGP creep who will be emboldened by all of the public support. Sooner or later they will run into a situation where they must come headfirst with the unmistakable conclusion that biological sex is relevant to their life experiences and that they need to maintain the language to discuss those issues. Sooner or later, they will be forced to use or observe someone they care about be forced to use pronouns in a way that feels de-humanizing and misogynistic. Sooner or later they will be canceled for something innocuous or completely fabricated.

As I said, we all peak. Hopefully it’s before they are old enough to be branded Karens and told to shut up forever.

yousaythosethings · 2020-07-11T12:15:53+00:00

This was an extreme move by Reddit that will ultimately be a good thing. It peaked a lot of people who were on the fence and didn't previously see TRA as the threat it was to LGB rights. It blasts to smithereens the argument that trans people are the most discriminated against. It's coming at a time where more people are peaking on Twitter and are vocally questioning trans orthodoxy.

tl;dr: Reddit martyred us and now Reddit and the TRAs have no control over our speech.

yousaythosethings · 2020-11-29T20:47:25+00:00

Because they know they’re not the real target of those slurs, so they never have to feel any of the visceral discomfort. Even if the words were wielded against them because they were mistaken for gay (because most people believe trans people are homosexual) the fact that they know they’re not gay prevents them from internalizing the words and feeling the visceral discomfort and danger. The same reason why transwomen are thrilled by the prospect and experience of sexual harassment. Their minds are focused on validation, power/control, and basking in narcissistic glow.

Also throwing around the slur words is a way for them to wield control and simultaneously perform their role play. It also aids their goal of pretending that we’re on the other side of homophobia and biphobia, and that those slur words are now vestiges without power.

yousaythosethings · 2020-08-03T03:26:49+00:00

Bonus gold in the comments from a "non-op" trans male self-identifying as a lesbian who "repressed" being a lesbian and "chased after men" after transitioning. Words have no meaning anymore. This is like a lion announcing his identity as a vegan elephant and then scarfing down 3 gazelles.

yousaythosethings · 2020-07-26T22:58:21+00:00

Still, who are these masochistic lesbians sticking around for the thrilling content of upvoting memes about female celebrities and cartoon characters being hot? Seems they could put that masochism to more productive use. Any actual lesbian who comes out and then finds that subreddit is going to be seriously questioning what the hell she’s getting herself into.

yousaythosethings · 2020-11-17T18:03:26+00:00

I can enjoy the attention from a man without feeling attracted to him. I consider myself a lesbian but there’s also the “fantasy” of men vs the “reality” of men, sometimes fictional men do it for me, real ones never do. (I’m super into furry guys somedays don’t @ me)

Um what. Checks profile A transbian. Of course it is.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-17T13:48:00+00:00

Really offensive. The fear some lesbians have of being seen as a predator by other women is not because we believe deep down we’re not lesbians, morons. It’s because unlike you, we are of the female sex and as a result of that, we regularly experience male creepiness and have sexual aggression and perversion foisted upon us without our consent by people like you from long before we became adults. That can result in us have a difficult time openly sexualizing other women because we don’t want women to feel that same discomfort that is forced on us since we were children.

yousaythosethings · 2020-09-27T03:03:20+00:00

This is the creepiest, rapiest shit I've read on here. u/wolverine9 is a predator who needs to be on every watch list. This comment from him has 100 fucking upvotes so far:

I disagree.

As someone who (briefly) dated a gold star who was penis averse, I really despise this narrative that she should preemptively lean into that preference because I think it's ostracizing to trans people. OP seems open to trying to make this work, and I know plenty of transbians who have never removed their underwear during sex with cis women because of this situation (for years in one case).

OP, you are open to being intimate with this person. That means you are open to being vulnerable, and it means you are open to having a vulnerable conversation about the realities of your interaction while it's happening. Your feelings within the bounds of sex are 100% valid, and how that comes up during sex is important for you to communicate.

As mentioned by a number of others here, how she wants to participate in sex is equally important - ask her if her genitalia are a part of how she would get off, and how she wants to be touched. You may feel uncomfortable at first, but because you seem open to it, it's possible that your chemical attraction will be willing to operate in more exploratory ways than one who categorically deny trans women the potential of interaction based off of genitalia.

I think the 'genital preference' narrative is ostracizing and not inclusive enough. If two people are attracted to one another on a chemical level, you can't create categorical denial [of interaction with penis] until those two people have communicated that between themselves. It is not a subject of public discussion.

Again from the same commenter. Love how he also threw in that lesbians cannot refuse to fuck people because they adhere to a homophobic and misogynistic religion:

Right, but I'm saying that I the difference is linguistic. 'Genital preference' shouldn't be a thing, because it's willful. Aversion, I get. Aversion doesn't mean you categorically deny the situation, it means you have a certain willingness to be proven wrong about your biases.

Like you said, "people will have preferences (in terms of private parts and otherwise) that they would be willing to negotiate on if the circumstances call for it." I don't think it's fair to be willful in your preference and categorically deny people your attraction, because it really means you're denying that attraction to yourself in the first place. It's equally ostracizing to say you won't sleep with someone because they're white/muslim/disabled/have a loose vagina/are fat/etc. People shouldn't have those preferences, because it's close-minded to have them.

If the language of our time is to examine our biases and rise above them, so too do we need to examine the formation of the biases used to create an arc of inclusivity for trans women into womanhood [This is why we're against your language manipulation, you dipshit, because you do so to prescribe rapey bullshit]. If trans women with penises are women, then their penises are also women's penises. Anyone who isn't including those with penises in their prescriptive sexuality of an attraction to women is denying trans women the space to call themselves equally feminine. That's why I feel like this. Genital preference continues a segregation of feminine 'types'.

Let me be clear here, though. I don't think that this means OP (or any lesbian cis woman, for that matter) should forcibly include penetrative transwomen in their sexual pantheon. I mean that people like OP, asking this question, are taking a risk of experience that people who use the language of exclusion (s/a preference) are not willing to take because of a willful exclusion.

This post and responding comments would be disturbing even if OP were a straight girl. Also, what's with the male commenters reassuring her that PIV sex won't hurt the first time. How the fuck would they know? I can't read anymore of this, but this post needs to be blasted out to everyone. You have to see this to believe it.

yousaythosethings · 2021-01-25T13:07:46+00:00

This is consistent with my workplace eliminating identification as lesbian, bisexual, or gay. Now we get to identify as "a member of the LGBTQ+ community" or "not a member of the LGBTQ+ community." But of course there is a place to identify as "non-binary" specifically and another place to identify as "transgender" or "cisgender." They totally eliminated "sex" too. It's now "gender," "gender identity," and "LGBTQ+ status."

This helps the LARPers, trenders, and grifters and hurts actual lesbian, bisexual, and gay people.

yousaythosethings · 2020-12-02T13:08:51+00:00

I feel the same way. One of my family my members dismissively said, “She's always had dude vibes.” I was so annoyed. When I went back and watched her I agree that she is more feminine than people give her credit for. Not really even butch, just tomboy/chapstick. She’s no girly girl and pretty clockable as a lesbian, but manly? Not even. If this is manly, I might as well transition too.

yousaythosethings · 2020-12-01T20:56:37+00:00

She came out at an event hosted by the Human Rights Campaign and has continued to work with them, so she very likely has been groomed into this. Obviously she's a grown woman (or was lol), but I'm sure it has been difficult for her to be a tomboyish lesbian in Hollywood.

yousaythosethings · 2020-07-17T14:22:20+00:00

Leaving aside why people who are not lesbians are posting on a subreddit called "Femme Lesbians" or at least do not have flair indicating that they are not lesbians but something else, I honestly feel bad for this poster. Of the people responding, their profiles reveal them to be bisexual women and one trans porn account soliciting views.

I am not someone who has anything against bisexual women or any qualms about having a bisexual partner, but what I do have qualms about is bisexual women speaking on behalf of lesbians and giving so-called transbians a false sense of how exclusive homosexual attraction works. This poster is visibly male and a lesbian is not just not going to be attracted to that, and that's not a reflection of the self-worth or humanity of the poster or of the values of lesbians.

I will also note that the poster's wording is interesting as they are exclusively focused on being attracted to "femme lesbians" and not femme women generally, which would include bisexual women. The implication, if this language was purposeful, is that they are more interested in being validated as a woman than finding a partner with mutual attraction. If these bisexual women want to be supportive and look out for the best interests of the poster, they should encourage the poster to expand their dating pool to include femme bisexual women.

yousaythosethings · 2020-09-20T03:15:52+00:00

That's just our resident Salty Emo Lizard/Oppressed Reptilian and he has some strong takes. I don't think anyone else here would find anything wrong with your post. It's honestly uplifting to see straight people notice what's happening to us and care, and realize the implications for everyone else since we're the canary in the coal mine.

yousaythosethings · 2020-07-26T22:52:45+00:00

DYING at the comment from the poster who says she’d date a trans woman as long as they use protection. This person is the founder of the subreddit “comphet2” which was founded because the original subreddit addressing compulsory heterosexuality is moderated by a “TERF.” Bahahaha yet here she is basically saying “yes sign me up for some heterosexual PIV sex.” JFC what has this world come to? Words have no meaning anymore unless they’re offensive to you and then suddenly the meaning is clear, violent, and worthy of censorship.

yousaythosethings · 2020-07-23T13:00:00+00:00

I hope they keep coming for Joe Rogan. This is a fight they will lose. Like JK, they don’t know what they’re messing with. If anyone actually watches the Abigail Shrier interview after that, the disproportionate and inappropriate reaction with the startling content of the interview will cause instant peaking and people to do even more research leading them to realize they too are “TERFs” like any sane and informed person is.

yousaythosethings · 2021-01-19T19:39:56+00:00

Even worse, he’s a pediatrician.

yousaythosethings · 2020-09-09T11:36:25+00:00

Silent downvotes from disapproving lesbians in a space that is putatively for lesbians is the greatest hardship they face. That is why these are the same people advocating for there to be no police whatsoever, because the only “violence” they have to fear is words and downvotes (if even), and that can be summarily handled with mob mentality censorship.

yousaythosethings · 2020-09-11T23:43:17+00:00

This person has never had sex.

yousaythosethings · 2020-08-30T01:15:30+00:00

Everything about that screams straight male. And not the normal kind. The creepy, fetishizing, pornsick kind who gets off on invading women's privacy. There's nothing "feminine" about the experience he's describing. It's an entirely male experience cooked up in his male lizard brain.

Ironically, Emma Watson has spoken publicly about how violated she felt by photographers working hard to get upskirt photos of her on her 18 birthday (which sadly they succeeded in doing). It didn't become a story until many years later, but I was a big fan of hers at the time and I remember seeing the photos where her sheer underwear/vulva was exposed casually circulated amongst other photos of the night by fans as if this were all a normal thing. Honestly, the news stories about this 8 years later don't even do the situation justice. There were paparazzi laying on the ground trying to profit from violating a barely legal teen's privacy ffs.

Edit: I found the original post on r/AL and HOLY FUCK I need eye bleach. The first gif he linked is of Emma when she was UNDERAGE and promoting HP and the Order of the Phoenix (movie 5) on a talk show and she adjusts her legs in a way that accidentally exposes her crotch to the point that the camera has to actually blur out her private area because it's otherwise freaking child porn. I don't even want to know what the second link is to. What a sicko.

yousaythosethings · 2020-08-24T00:03:24+00:00

After we get forcibly penetrated by the T against our will, our dignity and public goodwill take a nose dive. No idea what’s happening in phase 3 though.

yousaythosethings · 2020-08-03T16:01:27+00:00

Yet even going to that space to confess his sins is almost certainly an act of exhibitionism he’s getting off to. That’s the last place he should go to confess if he actually felt concern. He wants to get off on invading and then having the “lesbians” there comfort him.

yousaythosethings · 2021-01-13T15:21:03+00:00

When I recently asked my otherwise lovely lesbian friend who is openly about third wave feminism why she would want to perpetrate gender stereotypes if she is so against being associated with ones for women and she got silent for a noticeable amount of time and then said “because they’re important to trans people and their identities.” Yikes.

yousaythosethings · 2021-02-23T01:32:13+00:00

This just in: people with attachment disorders still tend to have sex drives.

yousaythosethings · 2020-12-23T01:08:58+00:00

I’m in the middle of peaking a fellow lesbian I know IRL so thanks for this example. She is still stuck on how she doesn’t understand how there could be people LARPing as lesbians considering she still experiences homophobia and has been given a lot of shit for being gay and gender non-conforming.

https://www.removeddit.com/r/actuallesbians/comments/k03uze/next_time_someone_says_you_need_you_just_good/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

As usual, a lot of the story is told by which comments are deleted by the mods. In this case, it’s comments pointing out how homophobic it is to say “hey lesbians who are harassed about not liking dick, just turn around and take my dick.” It is absolutely sick and mental that reddit considers this protected speech and calling it out as homophobic to be hate speech.

yousaythosethings · 2020-11-19T05:40:20+00:00

u/Blueegg, where is your empathy and sense of nuance? Why are you cherry-picking and taking things out of context?

It's hilarious that you, a heterosexual women, think you have a better sense of the homophobia and lesbophobia that we experience and see in the world than we do. Straight men and straight women both often fetishize us. In this day and age, both try to misappropriate our sexual orientation and wear it as a costume. As it turns out, there are a lot of spaces for us to share those experiences about straight men such as s/LGBDropTheT, s/GenderCritical, and fucking anywhere because it's fashionable to complain about straight men everywhere. Why haven't you noticed that? But lesbians also face a great deal of homophobia/lesbophobia from many (but not all) straight and bisexual women that appears frustratingly invisible to everyone else because they cannot understand the dynamics or effects of it. This is our place to talk about that. I am a late-bloomer lesbian who has analyzed the grooming of mostly straight and some bisexual women by other straight and bisexual women in places like r/latebloomerlesbians to believe they're lesbians who then go speak on our behalf to our detriment. Likewise, you've glossed over the context, but surely you're reading the posts where even younger women who are cognizant of their attraction to men still call themselves lesbians and consider themselves to be lesbians. This is a problem uniquely experienced by no other sexual orientation than lesbians.

If you've analyzed our posts so thoroughly, don't pretend that you haven't seen any of this. Don't pretend you don't know exactly why we're upset with a specific subcategory of straight woman. That you don't understand, are unwilling to understand, lack sympathy, and are instead hostile and reactionary is exactly why you're not welcome to post here. Especially if your entire point is that we should talk about men more here. Why the fuck do you want us to talk more about men in a lesbian forum?

Your comment calling us incels is also hilariously off-base and tone-deaf in this context because you fail to point out that the type of woman being called out is the kind of woman that fetishizes us and thinks that (1) she should be able to speak on our behalf despite evidently not being homosexual, and that (2) we should be sexually available to her to solve her issues with men and her own feelings of dissatisfaction with her life.

yousaythosethings · 2020-11-17T18:37:12+00:00

Every. Single. Time. Jfc, stop speaking for us. They mean you. It's amazing how you can tell, but every time I check a suspected transbian's profile, I'm right.

I mean, it's true though. I'm an exhibitionist, and I love the attention I get when I'm running a scene with another girl. Men can fantasize about whatever they want to as long as they stay respectful towards me.

Flair = "Plot twist: I'm gay." Checks profile again. Another transbian. This one claims to be "high femme." In his dreams. And of course he's into kink and polyamory and wanted to talk about polyamory with a customer while working as a cashier. But what are boundaries anyway?

I'm slowly getting over the fetishization, I guess I have some experience since I'm trans and people love to see us as a porn category too

Says a period-fetishizing transbian. Literally no one fetishizes and pornifies trans people as much as trans people themselves. Every transbian's profile I clicked on in this thread alone shows countless examples of the transbian fetishizing and sexualizing themselves for themselves and other men.

What i find super confusing, and pretty damn creepy as well, is how many men i see fantasising, not just about lesbians, but like, actually having sex with them, or like "breaking a gold star's streak" (yes i actually saw that one time).

That happened. And yes, it was another transbian who needs to step away from the porn.

They'll like big clits or biological strap-ons that feel VERY good when played with in the right way

Barf. And this poster's bio description: "Just a small town girl, living in a happy world or at least trying to!! I'm currently trying my best to love my body while flirting with as many cute girls as I can haha!!!!! Remember I'm fucking GAY." Duh, it's another transbian. They use the word "cute" more than I did when I was 9.

Also, there are many non-binaries complaining about the sexualization of women in that thread. So much irony. Might that be why you don't identify with womanhood?

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-22T17:53:55+00:00

They know biological sex is a dealbreaker and that people would not consent to sexual activity with them if they knew their biological sex and that is the reason they won’t disclose and they know it.

Fear of violence is also not an excuse. If you fear violence due to a sexual partner finding out your biological sex, then you know they would not have consensual sex with you if they knew your biological sex. There is simply no excuse. Also the idea that these lying men fear violence from women in particular is laughable but also you would think they would have empathy in the other direction if they weren’t such obvious narcissists. They have no empathy for bisexual and lesbian women who fear showing up to a date with a “woman” who used deceiving and edited photos, only to find themselves sitting across from a man with all the strength and socialization of one who you now know is a liar to boot. And now you can’t even go into the bathroom to figure out an escape plan because he can just follow you in. Ironically, in such a situation, I'd feel more comfortable fleeing to the men's room where this creepy LARPer is unlikely to look and where I'm more likely to find an average guy who would be willing to provide cover or an excuse to get me out of there.

And I’m not sure why they think it’s a persuasive argument to say “men lie about a lot of things to get sexual access to women so why can’t we lie about this?” If you know something is material to consent, you disclose it.

If your concern is that no one will consent to sex with you because of your personal choices, well then maybe you should have thought about that before you made those choices? No one is entitled to sex. And no one is entitled to non-consensual sex, AKA rape.

yousaythosethings · 2021-03-25T14:25:07+00:00

I’m glad you captured that message because they removed the part about their mods being doxxed and harassed because the news is spreading about their connection to Ashton/Aimee Challenor and that they are diaper-wearing baby furry fetishist pedos. You cannot make this up. This is who set the terms of civility on Reddit. And anyone who is going through comments and enforcing “she” pronouns and calling these dangerous men “women” are a huge part of the problem and also have no regard for the safety of kids. Their priorities are so fucked. Would they make children Aimee/Ashton groomed call him “she” in court? Are we going to pretend they are part of some cutting edge new all women pedo ring?

Like how is no one seeing the connection between the crimes committed by David Challenor (raping and torturing a 10-year-girl while dressed up as a little diaper-wearing girl named Lucy in the attic he converted into a sex/torture dungeon in the tiny home he shared with Ashton/Aimee), and not connect that to Ashton having the same fetishes and also LARPing as a diaper-wearing woman named Aimee. Almost as if it’s part of the sexual paraphilia and that Ashton has been groomed and is in turn grooming others including the general public.

Scrappy Doo could solve this.

yousaythosethings · 2021-01-19T20:23:06+00:00

To be clear, while pedophilia crossed my mind, it wasn’t the main impetus behind my comment. Rather it’s that he will be treated as an expert on “trans kids” and give credence to that myth.

yousaythosethings · 2020-09-27T02:30:11+00:00

Yet every day it’s “this never happens.” I saw yesterday an AGP asking for statistics and studies showing this happens. But he also said it’s not possible for me to have a sexual orientation that does not include natal males because they can transition and be indistinguishable. What an AGP fantasy.

yousaythosethings · 2020-08-05T10:56:11+00:00

I mean I don’t wear snapbacks, so I guess I don’t really like pussy.

yousaythosethings · 2020-07-31T12:39:19+00:00

Funny because according to CNN:

Semen is still men’s only: https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/07/health/coronavirus-semen-china-health/index.html

Sperm and testicles are still men’s only: https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/21/health/poor-diet-kills-sperm-quality-wellness/index.html

Erectile dysfunction is still an issue only for men: https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/31/health/erectile-dysfunction-higher-death-risk-wellness/index.html

Prostate cancer is still a men’s issue: https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/30/health/prostate-cancer-olaparib-trial-study/index.html

Prostates are also male-only when we’re talking about dogs’ bodies: https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/health/male-dog-allergy-wellness/index.html

I guess we can discuss reproductive sex when we’re talking about men being more at risk for the coronavirus: https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/24/health/coronavirus-gender-mortality-intl/index.html

Oh wait, biological sex is suddenly a thing again when we’re talking about reproduction and suddenly there’s no ambiguity about what body parts and cells are male vs female: https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/09/health/sperm-choice-female-eggs-wellness/index.html

yousaythosethings · 2022-02-11T02:40:44+00:00

This reads like she expects the men to initiate the conversations and she's just waiting to respond. There's no indication she's taking any initiative other than setting up her profile. Classic (heterosexual) female socialization. She's expecting to be treated and courted like a woman while basing her identity on not being one.

yousaythosethings · 2021-07-13T03:51:27+00:00

Who needs same-sex marriage when we have . . . ourselves?

Again, they think homosexuality is a fetish and operates like a paraphilia because they are fetishists and project that onto us. I think some of them do think there’s a community of experience there and it’s annoying and infuriating, but also sad. They must think we’re lying about the nature of homosexuality and concealing it from the general public.

In reality, if it weren’t for the fact that I’ve lived through distinct phases of the gay rights movement, I would never find anything notable about my same sex attraction. I have crushes, romantic and sexual encounters, and relationships that are mostly in line with those of heterosexual couples. The only differences in experience are based in the biological realities associated with us both being of the female sex and dealing with concerns that only come up because of societal stigma. I do from time to time think, “I couldn’t be doing this mundane thing right now in a different point in history or different place in the world right now” and “I’m that thing those people warned people about” and it feels like such a weird thing for anyone else to get upset about.

yousaythosethings · 2021-06-15T12:24:08+00:00

This is such a weird comment for a lesbian to make. I think you're just projecting the way your body experiences pleasure onto others. That's no better than people saying that because they are attracted to both sexes and have a preference for one, that every straight or gay person chooses to be gay or straight.

Lesbians are attracted to women and women alone both when sex is occurring and when it isn't. Lesbians are attracted to female bodies, including and especially female genitalia. I don't know any lesbians who are attracted to sex toys whether or not they use them. Strap-ons are sex toys that are temporarily attached to women who have female bodies 100% of the time. The woman wearing it still has a vagina, vulva, breasts, a female skeleton with wider hips and butt, and other female sex characteristics. What penises and strap-ons have in common are that they are both shaped to fit inside a vagina and many women regardless of the sex or sexes they are attracted to experience pleasure from penetration. I don't know any lesbians who use dildos that are even shaped or made to resemble penises, but let me know if you do.

Many women orgasm from penetration and there are women who orgasm primarily from penetration. My girlfriend is in this latter category and is very obviously and indisputably a lesbian, definitely not attracted to men/male bodies, and would never be attracted to transbians who have obviously male bodies whether artificially altered or not. I also used to think women like her were a myth. In contrast, I'm incapable of orgasming from penetration alone so yea, strap-ons are not going to get the job done for me. Strap-ons/dildos and other sex toys are tools. No more. No less. Not evidence of attraction to biological males.

yousaythosethings · 2020-12-17T02:48:00+00:00

It's to stop people from excluding people from their dating pool, I think?

Has everyone just entirely forgotten what dating is?

yousaythosethings · 2020-11-03T16:14:09+00:00

In case anyone cannot see what she wrote:

I've read this and it seems to try and push women to end relationships with men. I'm a bi woman. I can see it for what it is. I have experience with both sexes, too.

Note that the poster accusing her of lying about being a bisexual woman (u/ Tamsin10 ) is a horrible, fake lesbian TRA moderator of r/latebloomerlesbians and r/femmelesbians.

For background, this is the "Am I Lesbian" Master Doc and yes it is brainwashing bisexual women into believing they're lesbian and straight women into believing they're lesbians or bisexual. I've written a lot about this topic including here where I talk about the connection between the Master Doc and gender ideology. This line of thinking, which has detached lesbianism from the female body and instead markets lesbianism as a cool lifestyle is a major reason why the lesbian and bisexual subreddits are such hellholes. Because not only are there men LARPing as lesbi women on there, but there are straight women LARPing as lesbi women, and also bisexual women convinced they are lesbian because of this brainwashing. They are the ones constantly talking up dick and saying you can like dick and be a lesbian.

This should be a major topic of discussion for bisexual women because the effect is not just dilution and erasure of lesbians, but dilution and erasure of bisexuality on both ends. You have straight women now calling themselves bisexual and bisexual women being preyed on and told they're actually lesbians. I would love to hear more about the perspective of bisexual women reading the Master Doc, and whether you are seeing any of the effects of this.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-30T17:09:50+00:00

Yeaaaaa. 😳 I don’t know any woman who talks like that. And they always comment that in response to innocuous photos of women with masculine or tomboy vibes. It’s because they’re fetishistic men who associate being female and/or feminine with being submissive and masochistic, so in their minds, this is the best way they can communicate they’re real women (or “cute girls” 🤮). They also believe in masculine vs feminine roles in a relationship so they’re trying to act out the feminine role whereas the sword lesbian is acting out the masculine role in their (and probably his) minds.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-28T17:40:21+00:00

I was never actively TRA. I never tried to shut down any conversation. I never called anyone transphobic or a TERF. But I did come from a mind set where I casually accepted and cheered on anything “pro trans” and booed anything “anti-trans.” It was always framed as liberal vs. conservative and like trans people were this super tiny group with no political power and that were getting murdered in the streets. I did know some trans people, but I also assumed that there had to be more to their story than what I could see.

I didn’t get into the politics and ideology until I started noticing a lot of disturbing discourse that was not getting immediately questioned as homophobic, misogynistic, and rape-y. I started noticing a lot of “this never happens” and “no one is saying” language, constantly denying the happenings of things I had witnessed. When I looked for answers and explanations, they were hard to come by. I started noticing the role of mainstream and liberal media in all of this, and also why only conservative media was allowed to broadcast any opposition. I peaked pretty quickly once I actively looked into it but there was a period where I was trying to be as gentle as possible until I realized that you couldn’t be. That this requires directness and not coddling or enabling.

For like a year before this I was trying to understand “non-binary” and I could never grasp it. I started to think “why can’t you be a man/woman and do those things or feel that way?” It never made any sense, but I just assumed that I didn’t get it.

I did find it all completely unwieldy because I’m a lawyer and I do some work with LGBT stuff and it is fucking impossible to have a coherent conversation when people are infusing gender stuff and pronouns into it. Witness interviews were difficult because everything was “they they they they they” and I would constantly have to interrupt to figure out who the hell was doing what in a story. I had obvious gay men and women in front of me insist that they weren’t men or women, but were non-binary. The legal claims that people were asserting made no sense because they were all genderfucked.

At a certain point I had to realize that my mind was so open that my brain had fallen out. I try to learn from all of the times there was a red flag waving in my face that I ignored and use that to help me communicate the issue to others.

yousaythosethings · 2020-08-05T12:01:30+00:00

Her self-perception is all over the place. She dated this guy before he came out to her as trans but she is re-writing her story to involve aversion to penises. Like OK.

“Does this sound lesbian?!”

yousaythosethings · 2020-07-12T21:35:02+00:00

I quickly perused the thread because I'm curious what these conversations look among gay men and male-attracted trans men when I'm used to these convos among lesbians and trans women.

Oh boy. There was one thread in there between a trans man talking down to gay man who asked if anyone could explain what is wrong with "cis gay men" wanting to have their own spaces. He tried to get the trans man to concede that "cis gay men" and "trans gay men" have different life experiences and therefore that it isn't inherently hateful and should be understandable that at least sometimes they may want their own spaces. The trans man literally wouldn't concede there was anything different about the life experiences of a girl/woman who identifies as a gay man and a biological gay man. Then tells the gay man he's revealing his privilege. As it turns out this gay man is black so the privilege accusation is ironic, so trans man tells the gay man how he should feel as a black man and kept doubling down. I couldn't finish the thread because it is so, so cringy. Do they not hear themselves? They are so happy to claim the status of "most oppressed/marginalized" person and use that as both a sword to wave around and bully others into compliance and tell them how they should feel and a shield to protect themselves from criticism or feeling any sense of shame or responsibility for their actions.

Actually, I forgot the comment that made me post here in the first place. That trans man tried to guilt the gay black man by analogizing to establishments not allowing black people in historically. The trans man then says something to the effect that gay people created their own spaces because heterosexuals wouldn't let them in their spaces. That's all I needed to know that this idiot has no clue what it's like to be gay. Same-sex attracted people didn't create their own bars and organizations because they weren't allowed in heterosexual bars and organizations. We want our own bars because we want to be around people like ourselves. They're the only place where we can assume the other men/women around us are also same sex-attracted. Organizations formed around getting the same-sex attracted basic rights, rights that "gay" trans people did not lack. How can you be so ignorant and proud of it?

yousaythosethings · 2020-09-28T00:05:58+00:00

I am waiting for this conversation to happen because then we have to get into whatever it could be, what mysterious trait of trans men makes them vulnerable to biological males such that they cannot be locked up together?

yousaythosethings · 2020-12-02T13:00:56+00:00

This is probably going to be a jumble of thoughts but I’m still reeling over Ellen Page’s jarring coming out, the impossibility of calling her Elliot/he/they, the betrayal and cop-out that it feels like, and also the lack of responsibility and attention to detail in how she has expressed herself. She decries the lack of LGBTQ representation but in effect has contributed to that.

Relationship with HRC

I sought to figure out how this developed since I have not followed Page too closely over the years. And while I am partially to blame, the initial thread on her coming out got derailed. I always noted that she seemed quite close with the Human Rights Campaign. She did her public coming out as a lesbian at an event hosted by them and has continued to be involved with them over the years. She seems to have a lot of emotional capital tied up with HRC basically. Does anyone know the details of her relationship with them? Is there an individual there she’s particularly close with? Are there any other lesbians, gay men, or bisexuals that you are aware of that are particularly wrapped up with them?

The Intense Vagueness of her Language Compared to When She Came Out as a Lesbian

In terms of what Ellen has communicated, what jumps out in both this linked video from almost 2 years ago and also her coming out as transletter is the intense vagueness. Her tone and demeanor are completely different than her lesbian coming out speech where she seemed nervous but comfortable with and sure of herself. She talked about being comfortable with her gender non-conformity there. Her speech was full of raw emotion but more personal, full of love, and heartfelt.

In contrast, stuff may have been edited out of her 2019 interview, but even where there is no cutting, she acts as if every thought is limited by Twitter-level character limits. It just comes cross as frantic, but confused raw pain and anger, likes she’s upset but she doesn’t even know at what exactly and what she wants as a solution. The same characteristics in the 2019 video are present in her coming out as trans letter.

Now when analyzing the language she uses in the 2019 video, she does explain the why behind her demeanor as rampant homophobia and misogyny, which makes her now chosen solution of identifying out of womanhood even more sad. She still uses the word “gay” to describe herself. It’s the rest of the vague-oral-Tweeting that set off alarm bells in me:”

”what’s been happening in the world for a long time forever”
“It’s life or death. These issues that we are talking about are life and death. And a lot of the issues we’re talking about seem to be debates in the media, and they’re not, you know.”
“I’m fed up with the pain and we need to be talking about it more and the realities of what the impacts are on people’s life, on LGBTQ people’s life when we have so little representation whether it’s in film or television or like in news media. We’re not hearing about the things we should be hearing about; the stories, what’s going on in Chechnya, it’s upsetting.”

Chechnya is the most specific thing she mentions and it’s also an uncontroversial thing to mention in liberal circles circles because the perpetrator is Russia and Chechnyans are Muslims. <— Let me rephrase this as “Russia is seen as responsible and actively letting it happen” though the direct perpetrators are in reality the Chechnyan Muslims themselves, but the American left refuses to criticize or even discuss Islamic homophobia.

Ironically, the HRC is among the reasons homophobia around the world is not being discussed in America. As I’ve said before, LGBTTTQQQ orgs like HRC seem to want to cut off LGB people from our sense of homophobia and instead direct us to look inward and question our “genital preferences” aka homosexuality/bisexuality instead of embracing it. We are to focus on our identity and remember that we “cis gays” are the privileged ones. So of course Ellen doesn’t mention Iran as the HRC has avoided acknowledging the forced transition of gay men there as criminal punishment for homosexuality. HRC sang that Pakistan supported trans rights when they specifically required the transition of a gay man into a woman as a requirement to be in a relationship with another man.

She Quickly Went From Calling Herself a Gay Woman to Using Neither “Gay” nor “Woman” but “Trans” and “Queer”

The effect is that Ellen ends up sounding more like someone repeating what she remembers of HRC’s talking points than someone who has learned from her travels a lot about how the world mistreats gay people. I honestly don’t understand the thought process behind apparently witnessing and experiencing sex-based oppression at home and abroad and then choosing as your solution that sex is meaningless and words should be changed so that we cannot effectively discuss the problems you witnessed.

Ellen came out as “trans” and “queer” not non-binary or as a trans man specifically. So trans is the destination not the means to an end. She plays it fast and loose by saying she uses he/they pronouns (anything but “she”/womanhood).

She literally traded her sexual orientation in to adopt the last two letters of LGBTQ, you know, the only ones that have nothing to do with sexual orientation.

I feel beat down.

yousaythosethings · 2020-08-17T17:40:55+00:00

This is what I don’t get. I keep hearing about all these privileged “cis gay males” when the vast majority of gay men in the world live in fear of bodily harm and redditors are from all over the world. Even in the U.S., gay men can’t be out and proud without some fear or concern in most places. Read the room, idiots.

yousaythosethings · 2020-07-12T13:18:35+00:00

That’s what I came here to quote. All of the “surprisingly” and “presumably” language should smack everyone in the face as evidence that these idiots revised definitions of sexual orientation are the problem, not people’s dating habits. And how “trans-excluosionary” is a misnomer in many cases because a number of people are willing to date trans people whose biological sex is consistent with their sex-based orientation. Any sane person reading this gets it.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-26T21:03:32+00:00

It’s all tied together with the gender issue. Most of the posters there have not or never will be in any kind of sexual or romantic pairing with a female as a female. So they only have stereotypes to talk about of what they imagine that’s like and what they imagine it’s like to be gay, or even bisexual; or even female. Most of it is low effort role play. It never even sounds like women interacting with one another. Because it generally isn’t. The vast majority of the actual women who post there are mostly bisexual at best and they can’t even talk about a single reality of being attracted to women or having had a relationship with women because it’s deemed inherently transphobic.

Lesbianism is absolutely being marketed as a lifestyle. I picked up on that in the late-bloomer lesbian subreddit. I’ve written a lot of analysis on that in here, particularly analyzing the “lesbian master doc” and discussions of “comphet” that have become popularized on Reddit. In short, they have completely detached lesbianism from the female body. It is ONLY a lifestyle to them.

But actual exclusive female same sex attraction is not trendy. Only pairings where one or both “lesbians” has a penis or is open to penis. It’s rough for actual teenage lesbians right now. Abigail Shrier covered this in her book. Almost no women are openly lesbians anymore because it’s “exclusionary.” The only open “lesbians” are men.

yousaythosethings · 2020-07-31T23:49:01+00:00

Another hot take: All the transbians in the thread talking about how they feel lesbian erasure because they feel pressure to be attracted to men since they came out as trans. Woo boy. How can they think that’s even remotely similar. One said he came out as trans a few weeks ago so he’s had a few weeks at best of people asking him if he’s interested in men wtf. At minimum everyone is confused about him calling himself a lesbian because even every dudebro knows that men cannot be lesbians. How is this not peaking the actual lesbians in there and proving their point?

yousaythosethings · 2020-12-01T21:08:49+00:00

Because u/VioletRemi strongly feels and identifies with the fact that Ellen Page is adopting a trans identity to run away from homophobia and who are you to question u/VioletRemi's feelings and identity?

So do you have any objective evidence that Marsha P. Johnson was a trans woman who threw the first brick at Stonewall and is responsible for all of our gay rights? We get told this all the time, so surely you have an answer ready that you can just drop in here.

yousaythosethings · 2020-09-06T01:15:09+00:00

And even better, transbians can participate too but they only get matched with other transbians. All problems are solved.

yousaythosethings · 2020-08-03T12:44:29+00:00

Damn I just saw what I think is the full extent of it. She made a video saying that it's not transphobic to not be attracted to male genitalia because as a lesbian she's wired to be that way and even said if other lesbians are into it, that's fine for them (always that concession that will never get treated like the ridiculously large concession it is).

She clearly thought she was being misunderstood and mislabeled a TERF so she kept trying to explain herself and faced more and more vicious hate until she finally broke down crying and apologized. Just absolutely ludicrously disgusting. But no one is saying you have to like girldick my ass. Where the hell are the LGBT organizations on this shit? This is so, so, so mind-blowingly disgusting. They should all be asked why they're not defending her. Pieces of shit.

yousaythosethings · 2020-07-27T18:06:14+00:00

Wow, total self-aware wolves material, or maybe "self-aware self-aware wolves" since the original subreddit sips the gender koolaid. What an interesting microcosm this post is. I scrolled down pretty far looking at the comments and then quickly checking profiles to see whether the poster was male or female (and this is generally easily discernible). Some findings because I like to analyze:

I had to scroll way far down to find a transbian responding to OP with a show of support against objectifying posts in the community and even he said that this reeks of male behavior which he thought he was supposed to be turning away from in identifying as a transbian. The transbian majority was otherwise totally silent other than (1) two transbians that I saw responding to anti-objectification comments by actual women asking for guidelines on objectification vs. polite appreciation (it's good for them to ask but it's telling that they don't already know because it means they haven't meaningfully experienced it themselves), and (2) a few other transbians responding to random off-topic side shit. So great that they wanted to ignore the important topic at hand but still felt the need to make their presence known. Paging Julie Rei Goldstein and Laverne Cox: No. Trans people, you included, do not receive the socialization of your target sex. Do you need further proof?
The many people explaining what objectification is were always women. I didn't see any exceptions. Transbians seemed devoid of insight and interest there.
I saw only one woman ask for guidelines on what is considered objectification, but she is autistic, so that's not surprising.
All of the explanations from women that the posters just must be really young are killing me. Open their profiles people and tell me if you can discern immediately what each of them has in common (hint: a penis).

To borrow from the trans cult, there are a bunch of TERF eggs primed to hatch.

yousaythosethings · 2021-04-14T16:57:04+00:00

But then also the irony as to who controls the narrative of this fake hypothetical vulnerability pyramid: heterosexual white men who just don’t identify as such. Truly Orwellian.

yousaythosethings · 2020-12-03T16:53:43+00:00

I've been wanting to do a shitpost on here for a long time along the lines of "Gay and bisexual men of LGBDroptheT, who got more dick this week, you or the "lesbians" of r/actuallesbians?

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-30T22:45:00+00:00

And these are the people whose feelings we were banned from reddit to protect.

Can these fine subjects make sure to post this in the “lesbian” subreddits in case some actual lesbians accidentally wander in and need a quick reality check on what they’re wandering into.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-27T10:53:41+00:00

Unfortunately this will be used to maintain the facade that genderism vs. anti-genderism is a liberal vs. conservative debate.

Being anti-woke and anti-genderism does not make me not liberal. It makes me actually liberal and not regressive. I have liberal values, not authoritarian ones.

yousaythosethings · 2020-07-28T06:55:10+00:00

Ahem, Margaret Atwood. . . .

yousaythosethings · 2021-04-01T00:37:16+00:00

Good thing that on my long list of concerns as a lesbian, being considered “valid” is not even on that list.

How is “X are valid” even a full sentence? Valid what? Or as what? What the fuck does that mean? Who even has these thoughts or has use for these thoughts?

I’m pretty sure “Gay people are valid” would not have been a very persuasive mantra when the gay rights movement was actually a thing in America. Or to my closeted young gay self.

yousaythosethings · 2020-11-07T07:18:35+00:00

“I hate gay people . . . I mean ACTUAL gay people.”

yousaythosethings · 2020-07-28T16:52:22+00:00

Gay bros bringing the sanity. Don’t stop dudes. How do these gender authoritarians not realize they sound like the homophobic religious zealots from yesteryear but even worse and even less internally consistent. Nothing but evangelizing, proselytizing, and navel-gazing. They are not content with tolerance. They demand capitulation, centering, and sexual access.

What gender is a lamp lol?

yousaythosethings · 2020-07-21T00:53:29+00:00

Whenever they try to cancel someone, it just tips me off that this is probably someone I’m interested in hearing more from.

yousaythosethings · 2021-11-03T20:33:06+00:00

This has the same energy as “She fucked that guy I hate but not me. How dare she not fuck me too?” and “she performed [insert sex act] with that Chad; therefore she owes me that sex act too.” Yes, every human being is entitled to draw their sexual boundaries wherever they damn well please at any point in time. And these rapists better get used to it.

In their mind, porn actors and actresses should be shamed into fucking whoever wants to fuck them. Or is it just the lesbian ones who should be shamed since where else is the precedent for this?

yousaythosethings · 2021-02-03T14:55:51+00:00

Like comparing blueberries to potatoes? More like making meatloaf out of a dick sausage and serving it on an unsuspecting vegan.

yousaythosethings · 2020-07-11T16:03:34+00:00

Yea there’s nothing your husband could say that would convince that person of any reason but at the same time, asking them reasonable questions or just responding to them like a reasonable person tends to plant the seeds of doubt in trans ideology in the bystanders who see one side acting unhinged and trying to force a completely inconsistent ideology on the one side and a reasonable human being who is actually contributing to society on the other side.

yousaythosethings · 2020-07-10T22:28:05+00:00

Yep and they will no longer be able to control the opposition. The rest of us tried to play nice for so long and the more they pushed and the more we learned, the more we peaked. They tried to clamp down on us with ridiculous new rules and so we twisted ourselves in pretzels and bent over backwards. No more. We're free and don't have to do that anymore.

yousaythosethings · 2021-12-22T21:26:53+00:00

If that’s what you want to do with your body and you are an adult and it makes you happy and more able to participate in society and form community than you were previously, fine.

But you know you’re not a gay man. And you know you don’t belong in this competition any more than I do as a lesbian. You know you’re a colonizer when you call yourself a gay man and act as if there is no difference between you and actual gay men, regardless of whether you’re able to feel shame over it. And you know that your win only proves the extent of the colonization.

We’re not fooled and we’re not impressed. You’re not winning hearts and minds, only understandable animosity. Go start a competition for trans men who are attracted to men (I guess choose your own adventure as to how “men” is defined). Go forth and conquer that. I can honestly see a menstrual care company sponsoring one of these at this point.

ETA:

Max Appenroth, a trans activist and diversity consultant

More evidence that being/becoming trans is a lifestyle and career in itself in a way that being LGB never has been.

yousaythosethings · 2021-01-25T15:54:29+00:00

Um so-called trans women are also “breeders.” And this has nothing to do with “cis privilege.” Caitlyn Jenner has had 6 kids with 3 different wives. There is plenty of talk on Reddit about these males freezing their sperm before beginning transition. One such individual is the transbian plaintiff in the Idaho track case who posts under the name u/LindsayLovesLingerie. Does this make Lindsay more privileged than “cis lesbians” who cannot have biological children with their partners? Does that make Lindsay a “breeder?”

Reminds me of the propaganda of transgender people being banned from sports. There is no ban. The law just required that they must compete with their sex and not cheat. They want to be privileged and prioritized while claiming vulnerable victim status.

yousaythosethings · 2020-12-15T23:50:51+00:00

Does someone want to tell him it’s only HRT (i.e. hormone replacement therapy) for “cis women” and for him it’s merely cosmetic indulgence because his healthy body would never be producing those hormones.

yousaythosethings · 2020-10-27T16:39:59+00:00

I like your analysis. I think this is spot on for genderqueer/non-binary types. When I tell them gender isn’t important to me and that I don’t “identify with a gender” and they try to convince me I’m gender queer or agender, I’m just like no because I don’t think about my “gender” ever. I would hate to constantly have a benchmark to compare myself to and think about how well I am or am not complying with a label. I need that mental energy for other things.

yousaythosethings · 2020-08-06T14:00:09+00:00

We could deconstruct this for days, but here's my hot take: I am a man attracted to women, but I want to be a woman and interacting with a penis makes me feel like a woman.

My solution: Go date your fellow trans males. The world will be a better place.

But the irony is it's the least lesbian thought anyone could ever have that thinking about/fixating on/interacting with penises makes you feel like a woman.

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