Heh, here's a wall of text back:

The woman (blue) is both self-centered and self/other-unaware. She has actually no awareness of how contradictory her own words and beliefs are. She leaves the conversation feeling confident that she's done her noble duty as an ally to uplift the transwoman, while also satisfying her "straight sex" needs. Transwoman is very confused because he knows she is not following the dogma properly even though she is praising him. (I know this may seem unrealistic... but I swear, I know some "ally" types who are like this IRL, lol. Clueless people are often more common than the truly predatory ones.)

Yes, I’ve seen this type as well. Possibly. It has a similar effect for the recipient to your / my other scenario below (hence my mentioning of her demeanor seeming offhand and not thoughtful). It’s a mind fuck whether anyone’s driving the mind-fuck bus or not.

The woman (blue) is both self-centered and self/other-aware. This would arguably put her in a position of psychological power over him-- she knows that he's mentally-unwell and just wants to fuck with him, etc. It sounds like your comment I'm responding to is describing this possibility. I hear you there; if that's what happened then that is predatory of her.

This is sometimes called "cold empathy." Here's a description, which coincidentally mirrors the metaphor I use for these people when they are operating from that unfeeling, sometimes calculating state: "Robot mode." Read on (warning, long read, but the first few paragraphs might suffice to inform our discussion of this scenario): https://mhmatters.com/psychopathic-narcissists-the-uncanny-valley-of-cold-empathy/

There is a plausible-deniability aspect to this way of operating because it can sound reasonable while not being motivated by genuine concern for the other. It is a form of gaslighting. "See how reasonable I am? Poor you, buck up.” It's classic, and chilling. Even if not consciously intended—because the bad thing still happened to the recipient, and the person doing the bad thing is, crucially, not reachable.

At the same time, I actually think #1 is possible too. I know that #1 may sound insane to those of us who like to hold beliefs that are internally consistent, hahahaha. But I have met too many people with incredibly internally-inconsistent beliefs to rule out the possibility that the woman (blue) may just be one of these.

She might. We need more data.

Either way, I still feel like I've wound up at the same conclusion. Reading this (all 5 pages now) makes me imagine two monkeys flinging shit at each other. Which monkey is better-equipped... IDK.

She is. She came, she saw, she came (presumably), she shrugged, she patted him on the head after stoking his desire one more time, and then she left. He was a snack. She didn’t go back for seconds.

Hot take... I'm sure a lot of people here will disagree with me but I'll say it anyway. This guy's decision to call himself a "woman" is, by nature, deceitful. It's a lie, albeit an obvious one. (Posting on his bio that he is a "lesbian" is also deceitful.) Even though it's an incredibly easy-to-catch form of deception-- is that really any better than what this woman did? If two people try to swindle each other at the same time and one succeeds, is the one who succeeded really any morally worse than the other one?

I’m pretty sure most would actually agree with you. It’s patently ridiculous. I’m just not spending time talking about it because it’s so blatant and we all know it. But it starts with self-deceit which is the point in his journey where he wanders off into the wilderness and might be subject to winning a social Darwin award if the right person catches up to him with less-than-pure motivations. We can all see how silly his predicament fundamentally is. He evidently cannot.

So in its consequences what he did is not better, but it is more pathetic and more plainly visible. He’s offered up his malfunction as a feature rather than a bug, and most of the rest of the world sees it as a bug, rather than a feature. This creates an automatic power imbalance between him and anyone more accepting of material reality. Why? Because she can accept material reality and still opt to mess with this guy who can’t accept it.

The other thing here is that we don’t actually necessarily know her candid thoughts, i.e. the extent to which she’s shining him on to control the conditions around letting him down, vs. if this is just how limited her insight and awareness truly are.

We here on this sub know this, of course! But back when I believed in trans ideology and didn't know much about transwomen, I genuinely believed that they were women. I feel like an idiot saying that, lol, but I did. And I know other people IRL who do, too. Maybe she (blue) did too. Even if his deception is an obvious form of deception, I don't think the possibility of him having deceived her, too, can be ruled out.

You are right, and on this point I am not letting her off the hook. She can Google like the rest of us—and even amid all of the lies and bullshit included in TRA-controlled content, she should still be able to find information about likely physical configurations—which are either going to be 1. has a dick, or 2. has had an unfortunate surgery—and in fact says she’s doing some Googling for some other reason at the end of that conversation. If you don’t know what something means, but you want to sleep with a person who has that trait anyway—a big step for anyone to take for any reason—you should probably look that up first. No excuses. :-)

This differs from your own former belief because you weren't trying to sleep with any of them. It didn't really matter exactly how much you knew about them or didn't know.

I know people can be royal idiots about who they sleep with, I just have no sympathy for encountering something new and not wanting to know more about it before sex is involved. The context implies they hooked up from a dating site / app.

It's like ordering something from a menu without knowing what it is. Are you really still going to eat it? I mean, really?

And this is why we can't have nice things, like assuming the other person has taken responsibility for informing themselves about the situations they're getting themselves into. Because for some people, the answer is yes.