Tumblr OP: "Teenagers with no experience with sex or the 'LGBT' community should not be leading discussions on what sexual orientation is and what labels are." The replies: "OP is panphobic! Defending cis gays is T--F rhetoric"

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[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 35 insightful - 10 fun35 insightful - 9 fun36 insightful - 10 fun -  (7 children)

This reminds me of internet drama from 20+ years ago, when girls/women were writing X-rated fanfic of their favorite male characters but had no idea how gay men have sex or how buttholes work, and of course they'd get very upset when anyone tried to point out that that's not how any of this works. I guess one (underage!) fanfic writer felt particularly attacked, so she shoved a sharpie highlighter (the fat ones) up her own butt to try and see how buttsex feels like, and she made a whole blog post about how good it felt on her prostrate.

... yes. Her "prostrate."

I really can't help but feel like those teens/women and those fanfics were the small waves that helped create this tsunami years down the line. Being sexually attracted to anime people cannot be the compass you use to try to figure out your (or other people's!) sexuality.

[–]8bitgay 23 insightful - 4 fun23 insightful - 3 fun24 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Lol the whole prostrate thing is hilarious because I can definitely imagine transmen nowadays claiming they have prostrates too.

[–]diapason 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

I've seen them claim that Skein's glands or whatever they're called are basically the same thing

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

This reminds me of internet drama from 20+ years ago, when girls/women were writing X-rated fanfic of their favorite male characters but had no idea how gay men have sex or how buttholes work, and of course they'd get very upset when anyone tried to point out that that's not how any of this works.

These people are still around!! I found out someone I knew IRL wrote fanfics about gay men and I laughed my ass off and tried to explain to her parts that were wrong with what she wrote (and I'm not exactly an expert on gay male sex either, lol). She did seem kind of upset that I suggested some parts might be incorrect, lol. I had no idea what to make of it at the time but looking back on it the whole thing seems weird.

[–]Seahorse 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

I'm certain South Park did an episode just like what you described 🤣

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm certain South Park did an episode just like what you described 🤣

These days, I feel like we're all LIVING in a South Park episode!

(Can we go back to just being the audience? PLEASE???)

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

OMG now I want to see it! Which episode was it? Was it Cartman who became intimate with the highlighter??

[–]Seahorse 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

It's that one where the Japanese female students at the school start drawing fujoshi like pics of Tweak and another kid (can't remember his name) who are unaware of it 🤣

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 32 insightful - 2 fun32 insightful - 1 fun33 insightful - 2 fun -  (8 children)

I remember when I used to think that it was a brilliant idea to let 16 and 17 year olds vote. No, seriously thought this was a good thing. Suddenly, I grew up and I had to deal with life. Stress, failure, rejection, deadlines, teamwork, living away from home, having to let go of some of my dreams, having to go back to college... these were all learning experiences for me. Now I think the voting age should be raised to 25. There. I said it. But I can compromise: we can raise it to 30.

Look, even the smartest and most practical teenagers still don’t understand how the world works. You have to experience it to learn. That includes being away from your parents for a while, having to earn money, experiencing failure now and then and learning from failure and getting rejected, be it for a job or for a relationship. Some teenagers who what’s going on, and I commend them for it, but those teenagers are the minority. Tiny minority. In fact, so many adults don’t know what’s going on. It’s good that teenagers are interested in politics, but they should use all the time they need to learn about politics before getting a vote. Which will take many years.

Looking at some of the posts on the link, I agree that gay and bisexual teenagers should get out there and get some experience in the real world instead of using the internet for information. When I was 15, I was curious about homosexuality so I looked it up on Wikipedia. Naturally, it fed me a lot of bullshit about how there are more than two genders, how transgenderism is real and how evil western civilisation is. Well, the last one is partly true, because it makes its inhabitants hate themselves and become slaves to consumerism. I wished I never went on Wikipedia. I still didn’t realise I was gay until I was weeks away from turning 18, and it wasn’t because I was on Wikipedia. All it did was make me more confused and it probably delayed my ability to come out.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Stress, failure, rejection, deadlines, teamwork, living away from home, having to let go of some of my dreams, having to go back to college... these were all learning experiences for me. Now I think the voting age should be raised to 25. There. I said it. But I can compromise: we can raise it to 30.

Ha, I had to become an independent adult in my late teens and figure out all the "adult stuff" with no help... I disagree with 30 but honestly, I could see another good argument for 25-- the human brain is still growing and developing up until around the 24-25 year old mark. I'm a little younger than that and happy to accept that my decision-making right now is objectively worse than it will be in a couple years. That's objective fact, whether I or my peers like it or not.

I don't know about other countries, but here in America, at least, it seems that in politics we have the exact opposite of "plant trees whose shade you will not live long enough to lie in" mentality. I think young people get interested in politics because older generations of adults often seem completely uninterested in pursuing policies that will protect future generations, they just focus on their own. Climate change is a popular example of this. For me, I would add, internet safety-- I had next to no guidance on internet safety and am lucky I didn't stray further than I did. I am pissed off that many adults do not seem interested in putting in the effort to understand the internet's potential dangers and protect kids from them. Maybe teens would not feel it so urgent to get involved in politics if their futures were better protected.

To be fair-- when you're a minor, you're powerless in many ways, and sometimes adults abuse that. That's a major source of frustration and it's legit-- just ought to be balanced with the recognition that kids are still kids and lack a fully-developed brain as well as some life experiences.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Climate change and internet safety are definitely good points to worry about. Climate change is a natural thing - the continents sit on tectonic plates that move about, mountains form, sea levels go up and down and some places are hotter or colder than they used to be. But it is still important to prepare for climate change, because the consequences can be devastating for certain populations. But it’s not just climate change that we have to be worry about. There is a lot of rubbish and industrial waste in the oceans that need to be cleared up. There’s no harm in switching to cleaner forms of energy, such as solar, geothermal and nuclear energies. And finally, overpopulation. Some countries are overpopulated and need to reduce their birth rates. On internet safety, there should be efforts to warn people about the dangers of the internet.

You make a point that some adults abuse the fact that minors are powerless. That’s why most countries have laws on child labour, child abuse, kidnapping, age of consent and so on. Unfortunately, these laws are of no use to children and teenagers who are unaware that they exist, or who live in societies where no such laws exist. And even if the minor knows he has protections in a society that has them, he is trapped if he doesn’t know who to go to. What if the police or social workers in his area don’t care? Or what if his abusers have gaslit him into thinking nobody cares about him? It’s not an easy issue to solve, but having laws, mechanisms and tightly-knit high trust communities help to minimise incidents of child abuse.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You make a point that some adults abuse the fact that minors are powerless. That’s why most countries have laws on child labour, child abuse, kidnapping, age of consent and so on. Unfortunately, these laws are of no use to children and teenagers who are unaware that they exist, or who live in societies where no such laws exist...

Totally agree. I think that societies ought to acknowledge both this point, and the fact that children do not have the developed brains and experience enough to make well-informed political decisions.

[–]GaiusHelenMohiam 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

The 26th amendment should have raised the draft age to 21 instead of lowering the voting age.

[–]diapason 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But then where would we get all those young men to die in wars?? /s

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Exactly. But the federal government and the banks wanted that war in Vietnam so badly, and they needed as many young men involved as possible. So they lowered the voting age to 18. Personally, while I support compulsory national service where all citizens get military training, I’m against sending people to wars against their will. You should only be forced to fight in a war if your country is being invaded or attacked by another country, or if there is a civil war.

I especially find it stupid that in America, you can sign up to die or become permanently disabled at such a young age in a foreign country, but you’re not allowed to buy alcohol until you’re 21. In Ireland, both the drinking age and military age are 18 - well, you can enlist at 16 or 17, but you can’t be deployed until you turn 18.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Totally agree. It's nonsensical.

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Hey, another Dune fan!

[–]reluctant_commenter[S] 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

archive link: https://archive.is/CSOmP

I need to find a better way to pull replies out of Tumblr posts, it's a pain in the ass.

Unfortunately there is no date on posts like these, but this seems like a relatively recent post. I wanted to share because the post reflects a concern I've heard many people here voice-- that a lot of the people pushing TQ+ rhetoric are just inexperienced teenagers, e.g. they are sexually inexperienced so they think "type of genitals doesn't matter, I'm open-minded so I like both!"

The post has 30,000 "notes" i.e. reblogs/replies, so clearly a contentious issue over there. Quick summary of the replies that I could see:

  • A sizeable minority of replies agreed.

  • Some replies disagreed and called OP a T--F.

  • Some replies called OP a "panphobe" lol

  • A few replies pushing hatred at "cis gays"

edit: Same OP, this almost could've been posted to s/lgbdropthet lol: https://cowardly-bisexual.tumblr.com/post/186563260774/just-saw-another-celebrity-coming-out-following-a

[–]8bitgay 21 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 0 fun22 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I wanted to share because the post reflects a concern I've heard many people here voice-- that a lot of the people pushing TQ+ rhetoric are just inexperienced teenagers

For sure. I've noticed that lots of the homophobia shared on twitter is originally posted by teens.

I mean, we all were inexperienced as teens and said dumb stuff. The issue is that nowadays you can say your dumb teen wisdom to a large audience on social media.

I blame these teens. But most of all I blame the adults. Why the hell are adults retweeting and sharing the views of these teens? Adults should already know better.

Social media should have tools to at least try to stop adults and teens from interacting with each other. It'd be healthy for both sides.

Bisexuality means attraction to all genders

This blog is anti-terf and pro-nonbinary

Kinda sad to see this blog is being called out for their pro-LGB posts and yet they go and say these things.

everyone is attracted to trans and nb people and saying that you have to be a Special Separate Sexual Orientation to like trans and nb people is really fucking transphobic and dangerous

And they also have posts like this one. Well, it's better to see some progress rather than none, I guess...

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I blame these teens. But most of all, I blame the adults.

I 100% agree with this. Teenagers have been told taught as children not to be rude and yet here they are, being rude and entitled. But my anger is directed at the adults who pander to these spoilt teenagers, give these teens a platform and lash out at anyone who puts the teenagers in their place for "being mean to children". If a teenager wants to be treated like an adult, give him all of the responsibilities an adult has to contend with. Let him get a job, pay for his own food and clothes and prepare his own meals. Have him babysit a small child and deal with the child's constant needs. After all this, this teenager will be happy to wait for several more years until adulthood. But no, activists want to give teenagers all of the rights adults have with none of the responsibilities adults have. And not only will this do damage to the gay community, this will harm society as a whole. Adults who use children as shields for their ideologies should be imprisoned for child abuse. And children under 16 should not be allowed on social media nor should they be allowed to own smartphones.

Teenagers should be asking questions, certainly not preaching their ideas as if they are gospel.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is why I'm usually against extending the vote to 16 year olds.

Edit: your comment further down says as much. Whoops, must learn to read before commenting.

[–]diapason 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah. Of course in America that raises the whole "no taxation without representation" issue… but that's pretty easily solved by just not taxing anyone under 18 on their income at all. Problem solved.

[–]8bitgay 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Teenagers should be asking questions

This is a good take too. I remember when we were told that teenage years are for questioning the social norms.

But these teens aren't questioning anything. They're giving answers to questions nobody asked. They're not questioning social norms, they're building new and more restrictive social norms.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I encourage teenagers to ask questions because the point of adolescence is to prepare for adulthood. Teens who instead what to push social norms should be questioned. And any adult who tries to shut down any attempt to question or criticise these arrogant teenagers should be shamed or arrested. It’s okay to criticise teenagers. In fact, it’s necessary. Life is not some walk in the park. Destructive criticism is abusive, yes, but there is constructive criticism. We all receive it throughout life, it’s how we cope with failure and improve. And for teenagers, praise and constructive criticism are essential.

[–]JulienMayfair 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is why it infuriated me when I asked a teacher I know about how her students were thinking about gender identity. Her comment, "I feel like I should let the kids take the lead in this."

No, you don't let kids take the lead in discussing something they know nothing about except what they've read on Tumblr.