ColonizationJacob Tobia says that nonbinary representation in children's shows is "vital". Ever wonder why I don't watch " She-ra"?

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[–]Gearbeta 40 insightful - 9 fun40 insightful - 8 fun41 insightful - 9 fun -  (23 children)

I can't take a single thing he says seriously because he literally wrote an article confused as to why straight men on dating websites don't want him.

EDIT: here's the dumbass article in question: https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/wjq99z/why-cant-my-famous-gender-nonconforming-friends-get-laid

[–]8bitgay 18 insightful - 4 fun18 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Jacob Tobia and Alok Vaid-Menon are femme nonbinary icons. But that won't get them dates, and the reasons why speak volumes about our discomfort with those who exist between genders.

I'm getting repetitive, but gosh they contradict themselves so much.

Their definition of being gay, lesbian, bisexual or straight all exclude non-binary people, at least in theory. According to them, gay men feel attraction to everyone who identify as men (including trans men in their view). Their definitions of lesbian/bisexual/straight follow the same pattern.

By their own definition, non-binary people aren't men/women. Even if they claim to sometimes identify as men/women, it still means they aren't men/women. If someone identifies as male 90% at the time, how could I date that person? Should I ignore them during that 10% of time they identify as non-male? By their own definition, as a gay man, if I dated someone who don't identify as man 100% of the time I'm invalidating their gender identity.

The supposedly femme-friendly gay guy they'd been hanging out with for weeks told them he didn't end up reciprocating their crush.

Here, for example. For all we know the gay guy in question might be dating lots of feminine men. But somehow he needs to date someone who doesn't identify as man? This isn't being unfriendly to feminine people, this is following your own sexuality, and by their own rules on top of that!

"OMG, I'm going to switch my gender to 'woman' too so I can look at straight guys!" / I personally felt that dating straight-identified men was the right choice. / "Straight boys are soooo cuuuute," Alok said as they and Jacob started swiping

Funny how they never thought about trying to go for other non-binary and pansexual people. Totally fine for them to have their preferences, it seems.

Instead, what I learned during the social experiment that followed is that Jacob and Alok, like many gender nonconforming femmes, live in a world where admirers applaud them for their radical politics on social media, and people they're attracted to associate with them because of their slayworthiness and social capital, but refuse to make love to them, or at least fuck them well.

This here is just amazing. So what they're saying is that these people are already admired and respected. So what they're looking for is not to be respected - they're demanding sex, and in a very clear, incel-like way.

Thanks for sharing this article. I think this is a valuable answer for when people say things like "no one is demanding sex, we just want to be respected".

[–]artetolife 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He definitely has a fetish for straight men, based on other articles I've read. It's really creepy.

[–]Ladis_Wascheharuum 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

A bit of sanity in response: https://medium.com/@cammy.exe/jacob-tobia-promotes-niceguyness-as-trans-oppression-13843d38b50a

[–]upcomingDaddygay af 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

lol of course it's a Vice article

[–]julesburm1891 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What did I just read?

[–]LiterallyawomanTERF IRL 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Holy fuck- this guy again?! He’s a treasure trove of entertainment. So blatantly mentally ill, shallow, entitled, like a human red flag.

[–]8bitgay 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Wiki page of the show for LGBTQAI+ (their word)

Protagonists are lesbians! And actual cis lesbians in a lesbian relationship, cool.

Now, let's see gay representation: eh, a background couple who don't even have individual pages. There are also a male and a female main characters who are bi... And they are together in a straight couple. There are also another bi male and female characters, also in a straight relationship with each other. Oh, and there is a 3-way relationship involving a woman, a man, and a lizard-man, they're all bi. There's also a transgender man and a non-binary person.

Obviously I'm not lesbian, but I'm genuinely glad for all the lesbian representation we're getting in cartoons and other shows nowadays. Gays and lesbians might be different communities facing different issues, but I believe we keep standing in support of each other, like brothers and sisters.

Yet the difference is visible when it comes to gay men. The gay characters are just a background couple. The bi male characters are all in straight relationships. On the other hand, they have transgender and non-binary characters just fine. Funny because we keep being told that gay men are over-represented, or that we're the "straight people" of the LGBT community.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

When a children's show of all things shits on intersex people.

Oh never fucking mind it already happened. I don't know if I'll ever have kids, but if I do, there's no way in hell I'm letting them watch this propaganda.

[–]8bitgay 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ah, Steven Universe. It's quite sad to see how much it derailed from being a show that focused on lesbian characters (and bi female characters in lesbian relationships) to being a show about queer.

[–]fuckupaddamsBisexual Terve 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Why do you think that video shits on intersex people? Idk if you watch Steven universe but Stevonnie is a fusion of Steven and his (girl) friend Connie, making them pretty much one of the only real intersex/non-binary characters out there lol.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

real intersex/non-binary characters out there lol.

This. This is the problem. Intersex is not a goddamn synonym for "nonbinary" nor is it related. An intersex person isn't "half male and half female." There are a LOT of intersex conditions, and while a few do make someone ambigiously sexed (and it's usually a very hard life with lots of health problems) it's EXTREMELY rare and most of us are clearly male or female, but may have characteristics of the opposite sex.

I am not a magical fusion of a boy and a girl. I am not nature's miracle. I am not a third sex, or "both." I am a guy with a genetic disorder that caused me to not "masculinize" properly, and instead develop female secondary sex characteristics. I still have a dick. I am not less male. I am not a "they/them" or an "it."

It's a problem because Rebecca Sugar doesn't know fuck all about what being intersex is. She nor any of the writers didn't fact check. A simple goddamn google search would show it doesn't mean "A magical mix of male and female" or both sexes. Unless she's going to write a character with an actual disorder of development, she should not be calling a fantasy character who clearly isn't written to have a DSD "intersex." It's literally just for the sake of being "diverse" and virtue signalling. And believe it or not, shitty "represenation" like this is the reason people like me get assumed to be hermaphrodites and asked invasive questions.

[–]8bitgay 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the issue is also that they try to tie magical representation into real issues. Like the character in She-Ra: it's a non-human alien with green skin and for all we know the character might actually be neither male nor female. How do you pick a character like that and say "ah, yes, that's just like me"? Jacob is the character's voice actor, but they are nothing like each other.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, that too. Like, in the Stevonnie thing, they're comparing "magically fused children" to a disorder of sexual development, which is a completely unrelated and unrealistic idea.

I don't have an issue with sexless, or even hermaphrodite characters, especially if they are aliens. It becomes a problem though when they use unrelated real world terminology that gets misrepresented (intersex), try to push gender propaganda (nonbinary) or do shit like hire a pretentious "nonbinary" voice actor and claim it's stunning and brave representation. I miss the days when aliens were just aliens.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What's worse was that at first Stevonnie and fusion in general was treated as if it was a physical manifestation of two people's love for each other (or talked about as if it were sexual intercourse), but then it was forced to become an intersex representation when Sugar started to push her non-binary/genderfluid agenda.

[–]drew0594 14 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Nonbinary= pink hair and lipstick. Got it.

[–]Tikiri 12 insightful - 7 fun12 insightful - 6 fun13 insightful - 7 fun -  (1 child)

Well of course it’s “vital” - without Nonbinary Representation (TM), preferably everywhere on this damn planet and addressed every single time someone opens their mouth on TV, Jacob Tobia would never have a job.🙄

[–]JulienMayfair 13 insightful - 3 fun13 insightful - 2 fun14 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Seriously. Without non-binary, Jacob wouldn't have a book deal or a show business career. He'd just be another guy in drag.

[–]julesburm1891 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

For one second, imagine the outrage about Tobia being cast on a kid’s show if he was straight and acted like this. Hell, imagine how ticked people would still get if he called himself a gay man and acted like this. (I can hear TQ bitching about “entitled cis white gays” just thinking about it.)

Trans is a get out of jail free card.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Trans is a get out of jail free card.

Or, indeed, a never-go-to-jail-in-the-first-place card.

[–]yishengqingwa666Adult Human Female 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Teflon Trans.

[–]AnokiFrench 13 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

When you look like a hairy dude with a beard and pink lipstick , with female clothing and high heels don’t except others to understand this total mess

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I don't look at him and think 'person whom I should take seriously'.

[–]LiterallyawomanTERF IRL 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Double Trouble definitely sounds like a non-binary person!! It’s literally a lizard with the following descriptors:

Double Trouble is extremely confident and smug. They are also known to compliment themself on their work.

They do not enjoy any situation in which they cannot display their talents or garner praise and applause from those around them.

They specifically seek out a job as a club performer for this reason, so that they can be the center of attention while making money at the same time.

They greatly enjoy creating chaos between others, particularly friends, and love watching the situation play out.

However, when alone, Double Trouble speaks with contempt and frequently insults others, seemingly thinking themself as superior.

[–]just_lesbian_things 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Double Trouble sounds like a stereotypical sassy gay dude. As in, his voice. He talks like one of those gay guys in the gay guy make over shows. I wouldn't have known he was supposed to be non-binary if my friend hadn't pointed it out (I think she found out from twitter). Funny how I can tell the sex of the VA without ever seeing him and none of this identity shit even matters.

[–]LiterallyawomanTERF IRL 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You’re spot on I just watched a clip for the first time. Also terrible voice acting imho

[–]JulienMayfair 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

"Fantasy" "Imagining the world . . . not as it is"

Yep.

Plays a cartoon character -- all bases covered.

[–]BiHorror 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No, Jacob. "Nonbinary" representation isn't vital in children's shows. Know what is though? Sex role nonconforming characters.

[–]LiterallyawomanTERF IRL 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Strong women? Nah-NO women!

[–]BiHorror 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lolol! Which is sad (and subtly sexist) as fuck. Especially with the claiming that past women who pretended to be men due to the society are now "trans men" (ex: James Barry which is still in the air).