ColonizationJacob Tobia says that nonbinary representation in children's shows is "vital". Ever wonder why I don't watch " She-ra"?

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[–]8bitgay 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

Wiki page of the show for LGBTQAI+ (their word)

Protagonists are lesbians! And actual cis lesbians in a lesbian relationship, cool.

Now, let's see gay representation: eh, a background couple who don't even have individual pages. There are also a male and a female main characters who are bi... And they are together in a straight couple. There are also another bi male and female characters, also in a straight relationship with each other. Oh, and there is a 3-way relationship involving a woman, a man, and a lizard-man, they're all bi. There's also a transgender man and a non-binary person.

Obviously I'm not lesbian, but I'm genuinely glad for all the lesbian representation we're getting in cartoons and other shows nowadays. Gays and lesbians might be different communities facing different issues, but I believe we keep standing in support of each other, like brothers and sisters.

Yet the difference is visible when it comes to gay men. The gay characters are just a background couple. The bi male characters are all in straight relationships. On the other hand, they have transgender and non-binary characters just fine. Funny because we keep being told that gay men are over-represented, or that we're the "straight people" of the LGBT community.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (6 children)

When a children's show of all things shits on intersex people.

Oh never fucking mind it already happened. I don't know if I'll ever have kids, but if I do, there's no way in hell I'm letting them watch this propaganda.

[–]8bitgay 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ah, Steven Universe. It's quite sad to see how much it derailed from being a show that focused on lesbian characters (and bi female characters in lesbian relationships) to being a show about queer.

[–]fuckupaddamsBisexual Terve 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Why do you think that video shits on intersex people? Idk if you watch Steven universe but Stevonnie is a fusion of Steven and his (girl) friend Connie, making them pretty much one of the only real intersex/non-binary characters out there lol.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

real intersex/non-binary characters out there lol.

This. This is the problem. Intersex is not a goddamn synonym for "nonbinary" nor is it related. An intersex person isn't "half male and half female." There are a LOT of intersex conditions, and while a few do make someone ambigiously sexed (and it's usually a very hard life with lots of health problems) it's EXTREMELY rare and most of us are clearly male or female, but may have characteristics of the opposite sex.

I am not a magical fusion of a boy and a girl. I am not nature's miracle. I am not a third sex, or "both." I am a guy with a genetic disorder that caused me to not "masculinize" properly, and instead develop female secondary sex characteristics. I still have a dick. I am not less male. I am not a "they/them" or an "it."

It's a problem because Rebecca Sugar doesn't know fuck all about what being intersex is. She nor any of the writers didn't fact check. A simple goddamn google search would show it doesn't mean "A magical mix of male and female" or both sexes. Unless she's going to write a character with an actual disorder of development, she should not be calling a fantasy character who clearly isn't written to have a DSD "intersex." It's literally just for the sake of being "diverse" and virtue signalling. And believe it or not, shitty "represenation" like this is the reason people like me get assumed to be hermaphrodites and asked invasive questions.

[–]8bitgay 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the issue is also that they try to tie magical representation into real issues. Like the character in She-Ra: it's a non-human alien with green skin and for all we know the character might actually be neither male nor female. How do you pick a character like that and say "ah, yes, that's just like me"? Jacob is the character's voice actor, but they are nothing like each other.

[–]OPPRESSED_REPTILIANIntersex male | GNC | Don't call me "a gay", "twink" or "queen" 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, that too. Like, in the Stevonnie thing, they're comparing "magically fused children" to a disorder of sexual development, which is a completely unrelated and unrealistic idea.

I don't have an issue with sexless, or even hermaphrodite characters, especially if they are aliens. It becomes a problem though when they use unrelated real world terminology that gets misrepresented (intersex), try to push gender propaganda (nonbinary) or do shit like hire a pretentious "nonbinary" voice actor and claim it's stunning and brave representation. I miss the days when aliens were just aliens.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What's worse was that at first Stevonnie and fusion in general was treated as if it was a physical manifestation of two people's love for each other (or talked about as if it were sexual intercourse), but then it was forced to become an intersex representation when Sugar started to push her non-binary/genderfluid agenda.