This never happens!

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[–]hellonumpty 35 insightful - 1 fun35 insightful - 0 fun36 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Everybody is free to have any preferences they want to have, just because somebody asks a gay man/lesbian woman to see a trans man/trans woman as a man/woman that doesn't mean they're asking them to sleep with them.

Well actually, what usually comes after is: 'If you see trans men as real men/trans women as real women....why don't you consider them in your dating pool?'

Why would I want to be in a relationship with someone who doesn't want to be with me in the first place? Like that doesn't make sense.

Yet it seems incredibly common within the trans community.

As I said again all those rumours about trans people forcing cis gay people to sleep with them are just propaganda spread by hateful people who don't want to accept trans people and so they aim to divide the LGBT community by planting this seed of confusion.

"Rumours" and "propaganda" sure.

This is just more of the same shite. Not willing to hold the movement responsible for its coercive tactics and its homophobia. It's someone else's fault. Someone else made it up. And yeah, 'that never happens'

One thing that might help the relationship between the LGB and the T is for the T to actually take responsibility and accountability but they are the perpetual victim so that'll never happen.

[–]julesburm1891[S] 29 insightful - 3 fun29 insightful - 2 fun30 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

just because somebody asks a gay man/lesbian woman to see a trans man/trans woman as a man/woman

I’ve never once seen this not followed with, “then you should examine your preferences and date trans people.”

This also begs the question of, “what do we call males who are only attracted to males and females who are only attracted to females?”

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 22 insightful - 10 fun22 insightful - 9 fun23 insightful - 10 fun -  (4 children)

This also begs the question of, “what do we call males who are only attracted to males and females who are only attracted to females?”

Uh, the answer is obviously TERF! /s

But seriously, we used to have words for that, but language has been muddied beyond all reason. Bi means more than two, gay means you like men and women with a poorly sculpted arm skin inedible sausage in their pants, and lesbian can mean a woman who is otherwise straight, but like the idea of kissing a chick maybe someday (never).

[–]DifferentAirGC 15 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 2 fun16 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

Sometimes they will go as far as saying the word homosexual means attracted to same gender

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm honestly wondering how long this shit will go on. Maybe when it becomes clear that the TQ crowd aren't going to stop even when their goals are reached, and they'll keep seeing what else they can get away with.

[–]julesburm1891[S] 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

This is what chaps my ass most about people claiming allowing transwomen to call themselves lesbians and transmen call themselves gay men is “inclusive.” No, it just makes the words gay and lesbian lose meaning and deprives gays and lesbians of language to describe ourselves. It isn’t inclusive. It excludes gays and lesbians from our own sexual orientation.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The whole point of sexuality is the exclusivity, even in bisexuality. If you're not attracted to someone, you can't force yourself to 'check your sexual preferences'. There's no changing orientation.

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 22 insightful - 3 fun22 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

And that's the problem. It's like algebra, to prove that one thing is equal to another thing that looks nothing like it, you make smaller, incremental changes using things you already know until you can finally set what you want equal to what you're looking for. By making the jump to have real=trans, it is just a few more small, incremental changes until you have gay man = attracted to women and lesbian = attracted to men. The only way to prevent that kind of homophobia is to reject the statement that doesn't make sense: that men can be women and women can be men

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 18 insightful - 4 fun18 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

For the fake gay and lesbian tenders [read lonely unattractive heterosexuals] put it back on them. Oh you like trans women and girldick, what do you have against cis women and pussy? You’re being cisphobic.

But yes what disturbs me is that by coddling and throwing bones to TQ and saying “yes ofc you’re real women/lesbians, and I would totally date you,” even when they wouldn’t, it puts gay people in the position of having to defend not dating opposite sex “cis” people.

Like a lesbian who bows and says she would date a trans woman, quickly becomes “if you would date this person who is male in every way and just identifies as a woman, why not date a male when the only difference is they feel differently about themselves. Like imagine the “cis” identical twin of the first guy.” How does a lesbian not look ridiculous in that scenario for drawing the line there when we don’t know people’s internal gender feelings and they can change and people can lie. Like what if dude #1 said “actually I was lying and I didn’t ID as a woman.” This is so stupid it’s not even funny and takes away the entire premise of needing gay rights and protections in the first place if the foundation is so flimsy and ever-changing.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

One thing that might help the relationship between the LGB and the T is for the T to actually take responsibility and accountability but they are the perpetual victim so that'll never happen.

I think that's one of the major issues I have with the trans community in general. They act as if every transperson is stunning and brave, and don't want to admit that there are some bad apples among the bunch. It's not going to ruin your movement if you admit there are some among you that behave poorly, but then they would have to admit that a big chunk of their population coerce and use their identity as a way to attack and devalue others' opinions.

Like, transpeople aren't genetically engineered to be perfect human beings, they can still be assholes and treat others poorly, just like LGB and being a straight person isn't. No one is infallible, and yet the LGBTQ+ insist that T are perfect in every way and don't commit crimes or coerce anyone.

[–]endless_assfluff 22 insightful - 16 fun22 insightful - 15 fun23 insightful - 16 fun -  (2 children)

So it seems that I've gotten permanently banned from r/lgbt for "transphobia" I literally posted this same post verbatim there.

AAHAHAHAHA MY SIDES

[–]8bitgay 20 insightful - 11 fun20 insightful - 10 fun21 insightful - 11 fun -  (0 children)

Oh yeah they never force themselves on us, they never peer pressure us for sex, just ignore all the many instances where they do exactly that

Can we talk about the gay and lesbians who force themselves on trans men and sexualize us please lol.

But that happens, sure. /s

[–]Femaleisnthateful 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

What's the difference between 'seeing' a trans person as a person of the opposite sex and 'seeing' them as sexually appealing? You can't force either, for the same reasons.

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The real problem is that if you get someone to accept one of them, the other is not much more of a leap in logic

[–]Lessom 17 insightful - 12 fun17 insightful - 11 fun18 insightful - 12 fun -  (2 children)

Someone posted this as well ‘ Can we talk about the gay and lesbians who force themselves on trans men and sexualize us please lol‘

Ha in your dreams. Their lack of self awareness and delusions is madness.

[–]shveya 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Some transman in one of the FTM subs was saying she charges more than the actual male prostitutes on the prostitution app she uses because she’s “custom-made”. A lot of these girls are cocky af.

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They can't decide whether they're indistinguishable from normal people or if they're better for whatever reason or another. I've seen one thing that was linked here or back on r/ that said transwomen were better because they don't get periods?

But then there's another camp saying that twaw because they DO get periods... They can't decide whether they want to be realistic or better than what they're masquerading as

[–]Rosefield 16 insightful - 12 fun16 insightful - 11 fun17 insightful - 12 fun -  (0 children)

Denial ain't just a river in egypt

[–]ThiccDropkickGay 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It may not be something the majority of the trans movement outright says, but the goal of modern trans activism is to undermine and dismiss the differences between trans and natal men/women; and say that it’s offensive to point those differences out.

In doing that, they’re laying a rock solid foundation for someone to take the leap and go “Well if there are no major differences between trans and natal men, then why wouldn’t a gay guy want to date a trans man for being trans?” And of course the convenient answer is ’discrimination’.

When you combine this with the articles published about how trans people are discriminated against in the dating world; and the people saying they shouldn’t be under any obligation to tell a date that they’re trans, it’s not hard to see how we got here.

I think it’s more accurate to say that trans activists tolerate the concept that there’s nothing wrong with blanket refusing sex with trans people, because they know the backlash they’d face if they didn’t. But it’s not an idea they whole-heartedly support; and it conflicts with their other messages. Either

A) There are only superficial differences between trans and natal men/women and they’re easy to look past

OR

B) There’s nothing wrong with saying you’d never date a trans man/woman because they’re different

These ideas can’t coexist and it’s only a matter of time before one gets abandoned for the sake of the other. Personally I think it’s only a matter of time before it’s put into the same degree of taboo as racial preferences in dating.

[–]fuck_reddit 14 insightful - 8 fun14 insightful - 7 fun15 insightful - 8 fun -  (0 children)

LMAO it looks like that sub has a white downvote button so it's impossible to see. You can still downvote if you click where the button usually is though. Wild.

[–]crodish 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

orientation =/= preferences! What is this backwards slip n slide hellhole urgh

[–]Cicerosolo 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Op is hsts. It's the agps who drive the weirdness. Op may just be ignorant