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Regarding the blue and pink flags for gay men and lesbians, I'm of the mind that we should unequivocally reject these flags and remove them altogether. Honestly, they belong in the same category as the progress pride flag. We really need to be more aware of how every aspect of gay culture has been modified within the past few years to align with gender ideology. It's not just the corruption of our history and the language we use to describe ourselves. It applies to our symbols as well.

When people start telling you that gay men and lesbians are now represented by blue and pink gender-coded flags that originated on tumblr, that didn’t exist ten years ago, and that have no historical significance, you should be skeptical. Is it coincidence that both these flags have a white stripe in the middle just like the trans flag? No it is not. Please ditch these flags.

Pride is coming up, what's the most innocuous LGB quote I could have that wouldn't get me immediately kicked out? by hufflepuff-poet in LGBDropTheT

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"Homosexuality is Sin ... sational!"

"Vagitarian"

A picture of Storme DeLarverie with the caption "how it started" and then a "how it's going" arrow pointed at the person wearing the shirt

European Lesbian Conference :p by MarkJefferson in LGBDropTheT

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Lesbian visibility, eh? Where's the lesbian in this picture? She's either hiding behind that man with the ponytail or she's the one holding the camera.

Had a thought about a comparison to a previous trend of how gay pop culture spawned the queer trend. by Q-Continuum-kin in LGBDropTheT

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I have a theory that it goes all the way back to Stonewall. No, Stonewall was not the start of the Gay Rights movement, but it may have been the point where we were assimilated into the larger Counterculture movement.

The same movement that spawned identities such as beatnik, hippie, freak, punk, goth, and emo reinvented itself in the 2010s as queer. If you think about it, even the rainbow flag is more of a counterculture symbol, having been used previously as both an antiwar peace symbol and in the Civil Rights movement's Rainbow Coalition.

Once gay marriage became legalized in western countries, gay people fell out of favor with the counterculture movement. Counterculture has since moved on to trans issues.

Censorship Thursday - share your sub bans here! by NutterButterFlutter in LGBDropTheT

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Got banned from r/politics for hate. I referred to Lia Thomas as a male.

If only we hadn’t closed all the maximum security insane asylums this might be avoidable by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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I wish I didn't look up that username on reddit. This person is a 27 year old MTF transperson and is not the biological parent of this kid. Here's one of his recent posts:

I've been working with a group of mostly teens/young adults, many finding themselves not accepted by their parents and struggling to find themselves. I'll spare the bummer details, but one person in the group has been coming to me a lot of the love, support, and advice that their family just... refuses to give.

They finally have the chance to strike out on their own, but feel stuck, and dependant on their family. But well... I offered my home as something as a midpoint, show that they have other options. Things have escalated from there and...

They called me mom.

And I'm... adopting them.

So, he convinced a kid to leave home and move in with him and now they're both referring to themselves as "it". Am I reading this right? This is grooming behavior.

"they are obsessed with dick", "d*ck lovers should just call themselves d*ck lovers instead of calling themselves gay" by motss-pb in LGBDropTheT

[–]motss-pb[S] 25 insightful - 12 fun25 insightful - 11 fun26 insightful - 12 fun -  (0 children)

I can't wait until the day when the TRAs get their way and I'm expected to refer to myself as a queer cocksucker. And if I refuse, then I'm the bigot.

"Transgender carpenter hoping to build safer workplaces for queer tradies" by lovelyspearmint in LGBDropTheT

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"After initially studying and pursuing a career in performing arts, Mr Rizk, a talented musician and singer, changed tack and gravitated towards a career as a carpenter several years after transitioning"

She didn't change tack. She's still pursuing a career in performing arts.

Would this be transohomophobia or homotransophobia? by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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She's racking her brain trying to make sense of her life, when every word she uses to describe her gender or sexuality is opposite to reality. It's as if she's trying to read a book that's been turned upside down. When you turn the book the right way around, the translation is simple. Straight woman feels like she doesn't fit in with a group of lesbians.

So it is meaningless in the end, huh? by DickFreeBacon in LGBDropTheT

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Wait until you find out that there are people who are gay and trans

We are aware. The people who are actually gay and trans don't want to be thought of as gay. They want to be thought of as "straight" and would rather castrate themselves than accept their own homosexuality. Christine Jorgensen was a gay trans person who denied his own homosexuality and called it a "horrible illness of the mind".

A Classic Text from the Pre-Colonization days of 1993 by JulienMayfair in LGBDropTheT

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http://australianhumanitiesreview.org/1996/07/01/on-global-queering/

According to Dennis Altman, the "queering" of gay and lesbian studies had already begun by 1993. Among the authors listed on the cover of that book are Gayle Rubin, Eve Sedgwick, and Judith Butler (major authors of queer theory).

much of what has become known as ‘queer theory’ appears remarkably unaware of the history and writings of gay liberation, which is sometimes depicted as essentialist, despite a body of gay liberation work which explicitly drew on Freudian notions of polymorphous perversity.16 By 1995, I could read an honours thesis which spoke as if such notions had never occurred to anyone in the gay movement and were the discovery of French intellectuals writing ten years after the early debates in the sexual liberation movements. Even as carefully produced a book as the massive Lesbian & Gay Studies Reader(Routledge 1993, edited by Henry Abelove, Michele Barale and David Halperin) managed to find no room in its 666 pages for a discussion of the gay/lesbian movement nor of politics understood in the mainstream sense of institutions, elections, organisations and lobbying.

In his own words, the founding president of what is now known as WPATH, explains the rationale behind TransTheGayAway by motss-pb in LGBDropTheT

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In the documentary "What Sex am I?" (1985), there is an interview with Clifford, a 35 year old gay man who came from a religious fundamentalist family.

"A gay man desperately running from his homosexuality. He tried to resolve his conflict by becoming a woman"

He went to a gender clinic and was castrated (his penis was also removed). The documentary then notes

"Therapists find that 9 out 10 patients, who think they are transsexuals, decide not to go through with the surgery (...) Clifford tried to get legal classification as a mutilated male in order to obtain state aid for the $20,000 necessary for reconstructive surgery. His request was denied"

No homo tho by DickFreeBacon in LGBDropTheT

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"Queer" twitter lost their shit when Pete and Chasten didn't want to do a photo op in front of a stripper pole. For any other candidate that decision would have been totally understandable. Why not for Pete? Because he's gay and apparently you aren't gay enough unless you're sliding down a pole in a gay club.

To quote the Daily Show, “it sounds like the takeaway of this conversation should be, ‘if Buttigieg does not eat his husband’s ass on live TV, he’s not gay enough for me.'”

This post is a mess. by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

[–]motss-pb 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Maybe she fetishizes homosexual relationships. And now that she sees herself as a man, her attraction to women doesn't seem quite as gay to her anymore, so she lost interest.

r/gaytransguys - “Appropriating” gay culture by Hannibalboy93 in LGBDropTheT

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They just throw around words with no regard to their meaning. It's part of their gas-lighting DARVO strategy. If you call them out on their homophobia, they'll just deny it and call you transphobic and homophobic instead. But they have no say in what is or isn't homophobic, because they aren't gay and they don't experience homophobia. This is the same subreddit where they get euphoric over getting called the f-slur or giving each other "the f-slur pass" because it validates their identity.

"Homosexuality" is now an ironic statement by DickFreeBacon in LGBDropTheT

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Finish that thought. The people who call us queer unironically are homophobes and ...

Is this a "trans-identified" man claiming to be a "lesbian" or a "trans-identified" woman claiming to be a "gay man", because I'm confused- by UWUness in LGBDropTheT

[–]motss-pb 12 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 2 fun13 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Unlike actual men and women, transmen and transwomen like to refer to themselves as "boys" and "girls" respectively. My guess would be that this person is a trans-identified, possibly non-binary female. I picture her to be a straight woman who collects labels for herself. In this example, it seems like she's seeking permission to identify as both a lesbian and a gay man at the same time. In reality, she is neither.

I feel like these types of screenshots should be collected and sold as a puzzle book where you flip to the last page to see the answers.

You believe homosexuality is real? Well, here's a bonus of "You gotta believe transgenderism is, too!" Don't be picky now! by DickFreeBacon in LGBDropTheT

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Homosexuality is an observable reality. It doesn't require faith. We can observe homosexuality as a pattern of exclusively choosing same-sex sexual partners. It occurs in other animal species besides humans. Arousal to same-sex stimuli can also be observed.

The only observable thing about transgenderism would be gender dysphoria. We can say that there are people who experience psychological distress or discomfort about their sex and that they wish to become or be seen as the opposite sex.

Gender identity, however, is not an observable reality and neither is the belief that TWAW or TMAM. No scientific test exists that can identify a "female brain" trapped in a male body. Claiming that a male can identify as female is pure ideology and there is no analogous concept within the gay rights movement.

Mansplaining why gender ideology must now trump biological sex and sexuality by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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https://twitter.com/billybragg/status/1458827121414094855?t=_5b2RdwUBc4DfD9andZWkQ&s=19

Is this him on Twitter trying to educate Bev Jackson (a founding member of the UK Gay Liberation Front in 1970) about how "transwoman" Marsha P Johnson started pride? He cites wikipedia. The nerve of this man.

We MUST include the P in the alphabet soup apparently by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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it doesn't matter whether something is a choice or not

I think when you depict homosexuality as a choice, you invite the homosexuality = bigotry argument. Why can't lesbians simply choose to like dick? Choices can be influenced by bigotry. Even if all that matters is whether harm is caused or not, we now have a debate over whether homosexuality is inherently harmful (i.e. the TRA argument of how same-sex attraction is bigotry)

We MUST include the P in the alphabet soup apparently by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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I think the immutability argument is still important. I certainly don't want to be subjected to conversion therapy just because people think conversion is possible. I also don't want homosexuality to be misunderstood as a choice because people assign moral values to choices. It should be understood for what it is - an innate immutable quality that causes no harm.

I don't know to what extent pedophilia is innate or immutable, but the fact that it causes harm is what sets it apart from sexual orientation. It is a paraphilia, not a sexual orientation. Pedo activists and homophobes alike are both motivated to blur the lines between sexual orientation and paraphilia, even though the difference is obvious.

Diary of a salty, homophobic genderspecial. by artetolife in LGBDropTheT

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So the author is giving a misleading definition of bioessentialism and it actually means the same thing as gender essentialism. What is the correct term for the gender critical position? Sex essentialism?

Diary of a salty, homophobic genderspecial. by artetolife in LGBDropTheT

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Bioessentialism. Isn't this the belief that we are, in essence, our physical biological bodies and nothing more than that? If so, I agree with the bioessentialists. To believe that we have some kind of essence beyond our physical bodies is to believe in the idea of a soul. While people are free to believe in imaginary gendered souls (i.e. gender essentialism), forcing that moronic belief on others is religious zealotry.

r/askgaybros - I’d like an open dialogue in good faith (but you must agree that transmen are men and "cis" gays are bigots for not dating them) by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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I won’t be responding to anymore replies and will no longer attempt to moderate discussion.

Mods, feel free to lock this post. Consider this a request

This was the goal - to appear as if he was the one open to civil and sincere debate and to portray us as the unreasonable, hateful ones. In reality, he's the one that came into a gay subreddit asking gay men to justify their reaction to conversion therapy rhetoric. Textbook sealioning.

http://wondermark.com/c/2014-09-19-1062sea.png

I'm so confused by Hannibalboy93 in LGBDropTheT

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It's difficult to make sense of how trans people describe their sexuality, because they've redefined everything in terms of gender and also sometimes in terms of a split attraction model (romantic + sexual orientation nonsense). When they apply terms like gay or bisexual, it doesn't mean what we think it means. They refer to their actual sexual orientation as "genital preference".

With that in mind, I think I understand the phenomenon of how heterosexual men start identifying as bisexual after transitioning into transwomen. Their sexuality never actually changes. Make no mistake, they are still straight men. But they are straight men who try to live a life defined by female stereotypes. One of those stereotypes is that women should show sexual interest in men. Their female identities are validated when they are seen as sexual objects by other straight men. Adopting a bisexual identity and showing a reciprocal interest in men allows them to achieve that validation. They aren't actually bisexuals, but rather pseudobisexuals whose homosexuality is just another performative addition to their female costume.

homogenderal is finally happening. posted on lgbt. by lespyro in LGBDropTheT

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Poly must be avoided as an abbreviation, but homo is ok.

This is yet another homophobic straight woman with pink hair collecting ambiguous gender labels and making charts and graphics in order to legitimize her colonization of gay spaces.

Lou Sullivan: A Role Model For "Gay" Transmen by motss-pb in LGBDropTheT

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You'll often see Lou Sullivan idolized as a hero and pioneer of the "gay" FTM trans movement. Her own words paint a much more sinister picture. She committed rape by deception and took a "perverse pleasure" in contracting AIDS because it validated her identity as a gay man. Bug chasers are not heroes and dying of AIDS is not "dying as a gay man". Heterosexuals can also die from AIDS. Lou Sullivan is one such example.

Marsha Marsha Marsha - the rewriting of history in concrete by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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Writer and activist Eli Erlick, sculptor Jessi Pallotta and fellow organizers created a bronze bust of Marsha "Pay it No Mind" Johnson and installed it themselves in the small park, a part of the Stonewall National Monument.

Does the author even know who Eli Erlick is? Straight AGP male. Founder of TSER. Creator of the Gender Unicorn. Wrote the "Queer Justice Not Gay Rights" slogan.

Admitted abuser and rapist.

https://grahamlinehan.substack.com/p/eli-erlick-another-central-outlier

The new elephant in the room by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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At least the gender unicorn had hooves. This elephant has human hands and feet for some reason.

The Queer Bible has been found! (And it's awful!) by DickFreeBacon in LGBDropTheT

[–]motss-pb 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's interesting that the author chose to title it "The Queens' English". The original dictionary of gay slang was compiled by Bruce Rogers in his book, "The Queen's Vernacular" (1972), also released under the title "Gay Talk". I own a copy. This knockoff, on the other hand, is homophobic trash.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CNp5_AYDaWg/

Faggot: A gay man. While it originated as a slur, some members of the LGBTQIA+ community have reclaimed the insult, using it as a term of endearment or powerful personal identifier. Often shortened to "fag."

Excuse me? No.

Curious what you guys think of this LGB Alliance tweet, removed by Twitter. by reluctant_commenter in LGBDropTheT

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The accepted narrative is that the "slippery slope" is a phantom created by the homophobic religious right who allege that the acceptance of homosexuality will inevitably lead to the normalization of other behaviors such as bestiality, necrophilia, and pedophilia. Since this is a homophobic argument, anyone who even acknowledges or suggests that the slippery slope could be real is immediately perceived to align with the religious right. This is the source of the backlash against LGBA. They are addressing the slippery slope.

The problem is that gender studies academics, with every nonsense jargon-laden paper they publish, continually push the boundaries of their "queer" umbrella and effectively turn the slippery slope argument into a reality. The paper in question "LGBTQ ... Z" was written by a gender studies professor at Duke University. In the paper, author Kathy Rudy confesses her love of animals and invokes her queer theorist mentor, Eve Sedwick, to try to justify her inclusion of bestiality and zoophilia as queer.

The slippery slope does exist. It's represented by the meaningless label "queer" which now includes straight people with kinks. The slippery slope is also represented by the (+) symbol along with the dozens of new identity labels and flags. The slippery slope is enabled by people who validate everything, preach about inclusion, "acceptance without exception", and denounce any form of gatekeeping or exclusion.

We should have the ability to distinguish healthy sexualities like homosexuality and bisexuality from paraphilias and kinks. But to do that we have to acknowledge that the slippery slope is not just a phantom cooked up by conservative homophobes. Why is LGBA being criticized rather than the person who wrote the homophobic paper? This wasn't some random anonymous Twitter user; this was a Duke professor. And the paper was published in 2012 by Hypatia and then republished in 2020 by Cambridge University Press. No criticism for the quality standards of the editors of those publications? If the threat of bestiality/zoophilia/pedophilia is so outlandish, how do these topics get so far in academia with so little backlash?

Is anyone else frustrated by Lil Nas X? by jim_steak in LGBDropTheT

[–]motss-pb 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think it's an example of how there are two main coping mechanisms of dealing with shame.

One way of dealing with shame is to stay quiet about it, keep your head down and hope that no one notices, and if anyone asks - deny, deny, deny. This is the closeted way of dealing with shame.

The second way is to own your shame. In situations where you cannot plausibly deny your shame, you have no choice but to embrace it. Rather than allow yourself to be judged and ridiculed by others, you will beat the bullies to the punch by making the joke yourself. If you control the joke, then they can only laugh with you, not at you.

When the shame we're talking about is internalized homophobia, we usually associate it with the first type of coping mechanism (i.e., the closet cases). But, I would argue that the obnoxious in-your-face gays that base their entire personality off of their sexuality are just as ashamed of their homosexuality as the closet cases. They just cope in a different way. It's as if they are in a constant struggle to try to justify their existence to the world, and so they overcompensate and turn themselves into homophobic stereotypes.

Serious or satirical? Should peak a few people either way. by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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My guess would be satire because an actual TRA wouldn't want to reference same-sex attraction at all. Sex is the bad word that they want us to memory-hole and replace with gender. Their PSAs condemning same-sex attraction as bigotry come in two varieties.

  1. "genital preferences are transphobic"

  2. "genital preferences are valid, BUT ... "

In both, sexual orientation has been replaced by "genital preference". The second version is essentially a "rules for thee but not for me" clause. It allows them to reject people for having the wrong genitals, but rejecting a trans person because they're trans is transphobic.

"'I’m not attracted to trans people' is based on the idea that you actually CAN exclude trans folks from your dating pool, and you absolutely positively can’t" by ThrowMeAway2879 in LGBDropTheT

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"Scripture! Brilliant content!"

Thou shalt not reject a trans person's sexual advances.

The gender zealots can consider me a heretic then.

How to undo half a century of hard slog to improve the lives of LGB people by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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I think maybe 10 years ago we could poke fun at the idea that we had a secret agenda to indoctrinate children. It was a ludicrous accusation with no basis in reality. Things have changed significantly since then. Now we have major gay organizations supporting puberty blockers, drag queen story hour, Blue's Clues pride parade, drag kids, and teenage girls showing off their mastectomy scars on reddit.

We can't joke around about a sinister plot to convert straight kids anymore because now there's some truth to it. Straight kids actually are being indoctrinated into a weird gender religion that treats gay as a socially constructed lifestyle that anyone can self-id into.

You SIR are no lesbian by DiveBarDiva in LGBDropTheT

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Same person

https://twitter.com/WomenReadWomen/status/1402543660554616835?s=19

Just vile, even if it's satire, which I don't think it is.

Drop the T from Within the T (more info in comments) by gretagarbo in LGBDropTheT

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By posting this here, your plan is already likely doomed to fail because obsessive TRAs stalk us and read our posts. Your graphics will quickly be called out as a t3rf psyop, which it is.

We don't need tactics like this. The truth is on our side and that's what we need people to see. If they see us resorting to manipulation to make our point, they might have second thoughts. I know I would.

The Six Million Dollar Nebularomantic DemiMan by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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I keep seeing this word "neurodivergent". I feel like in our rush to validate every single label that comes along we just end up validating psychological disorders. So, gender identity disorder is validated as trans, and treatable conditions like depression or an underactive thyroid are being mislabeled and validated as asexual orientation. We also validate nonsense romantic orientations like "hetero-romantic homosexual" which is, in my opinion, a euphemism for internalized homophobia. Now, personality disorders like schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and narcissistic personality disorder are validated as "neurodivergent". And, of course, neurodivergent (special-brained) people are discriminated against because the problem is externalized - their distress derives from a prejudiced and bigoted society, never from within. Yes, society should be able to accommodate people with psychological disorders, but not to the extent that we de-pathologize their conditions entirely.

Reddit archives! by trainingbluejay in LGBDropTheT

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Well done and thanks for doing this. The website looks very clean and search function works like a charm. Do you have any plans on adding a forum? We don't really have a reliable backup should saidit get taken offline again. I think compiling documentation and evidence is very important and, if needed, I'd be willing to help out with the limited programming experience I have.

These fellas would turn heads in any gay bar by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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Looking like something doesn't mean you are that thing. If plastic fruit looks delicious, does that make it edible? If people mistook Rita Ora for being black/mixed, does that mean she is? Are drag queens actually women because some of them pass? And what happens to the argument when a group of non-passing transmen are photographed? Do we reach the opposite conclusion?

The insufferable... er, suffering... is real by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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Pink News doesn't have a moral compass. They are a business and will pander to whichever demographic brings in web traffic and generates ad revenue for them. If that means playing into the delusions of narcissistic straight people, then so be it. Pride Inc has finally realized there is a whole untapped demographic of angsty straight people that they can sell rainbow-colored merch to by simply giving them a made-up label. They'll spin it as motivated by inclusivity, but really it's a capitalistic move to increase the consumer base.

Trixx doesn’t particularly like it when his clients — who are mostly cis gay men, though they include people of all genders — fetishize HER by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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Before he began escorting and acting in porn, he completed a master’s degree in gender studies at New York University, then started working as a journalist.

Everything I need to know about her is contained in this one sentence.

"My favorite part of being Trans is I can be misogynistic" This lesbian's reaction to a trans identified male is spot on. She could use more views and suscribers. by linda_senora in LGBDropTheT

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This guy is flaunting his misogyny to all his 107k subscribers on tiktok, openly stating that he hates women, and yet the subject of misogynistic transwomen is forbidden in mainstream media.

Where are all the activists who were writing article after article on the epidemic of gay misogyny and not wanting to give gay men a free pass? Where are the articles on trans misogyny? Why give trans people a free pass?

Oh, that's right. Someone already coined the phrase "transmisogyny". Transmisogyny is when transwomen are the victims (not perpetrators) of misogyny. I got confused because I thought I read a story about trans activists shutting down a women's rape shelter and nailing a dead rat to their door. And I also recall reading about trans activists with bats threatening to punch and rape t_rf women. But, I guess I'm mistaken.

GC: Is there such a thing as "transgender"? by Tea_Or_Coffee in GCdebatesQT

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The medical condition, gender identity disorder, exists. People who have this condition, and treat it by living as the opposite sex, are transgender. I believe transgender people exist, but this doesn't require me to believe that gender identity exists. There's no contradiction here. For example, you can believe Christians exist while simultaneously believing that there is no such thing as a soul.

Biden HHS Redefines Sex as Non-Biological by BEB in LGBDropTheT

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The article isn't entirely accurate. Biden didn't just do a rollback to Obama's interpretation of the Affordable Care Act. In Obama's Final Rule, gender identity was protected "on the basis of sex". But I think what most people don't realize is that LGB weren't protected against discrimination by this rule. "On the basis of sex" did not include sexual orientation. See graphic.

https://ibb.co/M187QZg

So, in 2016, nonbinary was explicitly protected by this rule; being gay or lesbian was not. The reason we were included this time around was due to the recent Supreme Court ruling of Bostock v. Clayton County (2020).

Teacher Scrawls 'Heteros Rule' Over Students' Chalk-Drawn Pride Flags by GayBoner in LGBDropTheT

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The irony is that almost all those pride flags are "heteros rule" flags. Straight pride is already a thing. You just have rebrand it as demisexual or hetero-romantic asexual or afab androsexual or queer/kink.

Barely contained rage at never ever ever being one of the boys by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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Your sexual orientation also exclude pre-pubescent males (boys) from your dating pool as well. It's not just sex, it's gender. A man and a boy are literally different genders, and sex is not the deciding factor there.

This argument actually proves that sexual attraction is based on sex and not gender. Puberty is a hormonal growth phase that leads to the development of secondary sexual characteristics. These are biological changes that create dimorphic phenotypic sex, not gender identity.

r/ftm: "I got called the f slur", "that makes me so happy", "congrats on getting the f slur pass lol" by motss-pb in LGBDropTheT

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This just shows me that "gay" transmen aren't affected by homophobia. It doesn't hurt them at all. They actually love it because it validates their identity. Being called a f_ggot is not a validating experience for gay men, it sucks.

There's a similar thing going on with transwomen who feel euphoric over getting cat-called. Meanwhile, they claim they experience misogyny in the same way that natal women do. It's so messed up and it pisses me off.

CDC HIV Surveillance Report of 7 Cities Finds 42% of TW Have HIV: 62% of Blacks, 35% of Hispanics 17% of Whites by MarkTwainiac in GenderCritical

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This was not a random sampling of all transwomen. The infographic is misleading because data was collected through recruitment sampling after having met certain risk criteria. Homelessness and sex worker status are overrepresented here. Another thing to take note of is that about 95% of respondents did not engage in insertive vaginal sex, meaning these are not AGP transbians. These are mostly homosexual transwomen (i.e. gay males).

Humans and trees have literally the same biology. by ukrdude10 in LGBDropTheT

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 "I don’t want to go by ‘he’ anymore, I just want to go by ‘tree.’ I want people to call me ‘tree,’ because we all come from trees, so it doesn’t matter if you’re a he or a she or a they or a them. At the end of the day, everyone’s a tree. I want to call my friends 'tree' and me 'tree' and everyone 'tree.' So, I think, like now, when people ask me what my preferred pronoun is, I’m going to say ‘tree.’"

Keiynan Lonsdale (actor from 'Love, Simon')

https://www.billboard.com/amp/articles/news/pride/8477100/keiynan-lonsdale-preferred-pronouns-tree

Reddit bans anyone for mentioning their new admin Ashton "Aimee" Challenor's name • /s/WatchRedditDie by Happy_Blueberry3910 in LGBDropTheT

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https://twitter.com/Bawbelle1/status/1300336001139855361?s=20

And Aimee Challenor is apparently partners with another transwoman, nekosune, who is a moderator for r/lgbt, r/ainbow, and r/actuallesbians. That explains a lot.

Trans activists don't like "female anatomy" by Happy_Blueberry3910 in LGBDropTheT

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And retweeted by Richard Dawkins too. When did he come out as gender critical?

Redefining reality: "Homosexuality isn't males into males" by ThrowMeAway2879 in LGBDropTheT

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This has been my experience. A few years ago one of my friends showed me the Riley J Dennis video on genital preferences being transphobic and I said something to the effect of "that video was stupid". I thought that Riley was just some fringe crazy and nobody actually agreed with him. Then I sort of forgot about it until I downloaded the reddit app. I joined r/lgbt and corrected someone who referred to homosexuality as a genital preference. I believe I simply crossed out the words "genital preference" and wrote "sexual orientation". I was promptly banned.

So here I am a year later, having done my research, I completely reject gender ideology because it is incompatible with respecting myself as a gay person. It is also incompatible with feminism and the women's rights movement which is why T*RF is their slur of choice. But I wouldn't have found out if I hadn't gone on reddit and seen it for myself. You really have to go online to see it.

Am I the only one who thinks that the involvement of 4chan will kill the supers? by LeoneOkada in LGBDropTheT

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The original superstraight video came from a kid on TikTok, not neonazis on 4chan. Is 4chan even relevant anymore? What happened is that some TRA, probably David Paisley, went to 4chan and searched for "superstraight, nazi, ss" keywords and then ran back to twitter/reddit and said "look, the superstraight hashtag was started by neonazis!". It's not the truth, but that's not the point. They did the same thing with LGBAlliance and saying they take money from the Heritage Foundation.

SuperStraight reddit sub at almost 3.5k members. by Criticallacitirc in LGBDropTheT

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Lol. I like how all the salty brigading TRAs are being referred to as SERFs (super-exclusionary radical feminists).

50 years after Stonewall we are now fighting bisexual people as well as heterosexuals for our right to same-sex attraction by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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This article reminds me of that TEDx talk by Lisa Diamond where she argues that we should drop the "born this way" narrative and adopt a "sexuality is fluid" view. See video here:

https://youtu.be/RjX-KBPmgg4

Guess what came out of her campaign? The National Association for the Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) took her research and used it to argue that homosexuality is a choice and can be changed. Now poor Dr Diamond is stuck doing damage control because, whoops, she found out homophobic conversion therapy groups love her woke sexual fluidity views.

https://www.wthrockmorton.com/2008/11/12/lisa-diamond-narth-distorts-my-research/

Here's the thing. "Born this way" is not a nuanced or comprehensive argument for why homosexuality should be accepted. It is simply a short and succinct way for us to say that our sexuality is natural, it was not a choice and we cannot change it. It's a reasonable response to homophobic parents or religious fundamentalists who view homosexuality as a sin or a lifestyle choice. That's it.

LGBT Identification Rises to 5.6% of the US Population in Latest Estimate (Lesbians are decreasing % wise, while B & T are increasing) by BEB in LGBDropTheT

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It's a fad. The reason the most dramatic increase happened in bisexual numbers is because bisexuality is the easiest sexuality for straight people to colonize. I personally witnessed this within my group of friends where 4/5 of the girls (all in heterosexual relationships) started identifying as bisexual, pansexual, asexual somewhere around 2012-2015 when the majority public opinion on gay rights in the US had shifted. One of the girls started identifying as a lesbian after her man dumped her. Now she's back to asexual. They like to get dressed up in the colors of their respective identity flags and treat pride like it's a cosplay convention. Of course, they love the word queer, they're "gay as f--k", and they hate conventional gays like Buttigieg because he's not queer enough. And if you like JK Rowling, "get f---ed because you're not part of the LGBTQ community". It's funny to watch them make the gay rights movement all about them and whine about their nonexistent oppression when just 10 years ago they were all jokingly calling each other "gay" and "f*g" as an insult.

Stonewall CEO tries to debunk "myth" of lesbian extinction using poll data and gets called out. "There were 3 lesbians [...] in that poll, Nancy. 3! Out of 1127" by motss-pb in LGBDropTheT

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Here's some of the aggregated data:

https://i.imgur.com/atr5wqj.jpg

The data is strange. 54% of Gen Z respondents say they are only attracted to the opposite sex while 76% of Gen Z say they are heterosexual. These numbers should be the same. For the Baby Boomers these same numbers are 81% and 89% respectively. Incidentally, there were only 3 lesbians and 25 gay men included in the poll.

Shut these bigots down! by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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Why is their solution never to create their own campground/bathhouse that is trans-inclusive? Why must they always hound and harass gay-owned businesses and try to destroy them for not catering to trans people? And then they have the nerve trying to compare it to racist businesses with a no-blacks policy. Excuse me, there's no comparison here. Race is not relevant because sexual orientation is not based on race. It's based on sex. If same-sex only spaces are deemed transphobic, then gay men and lesbians cannot have their own spaces.

Gay men really need to stop being attracted to other men because NOTHING is hotter than heterosexuality by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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I think this is one of those heavily modded gay subs where you get banned if you say you aren't attracted to the opposite sex.

LGB Alliance UK, and the transgender-identified people who want to support LGB - What are your opinions? by reluctant_commenter in LGBDropTheT

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I agree. I already had the "referring to priests as father" example in mind. I think a non-religious person can choose whether or not they want to refer to a priest as father. If not, there's always the secular "Mister" option. As a gender "atheist" I don't think I should be forced to change my language to enable an ideology I don't hold. So no, I would not call a transwoman "she" out of courtesy. If I were to use pronouns for a transwoman, I think would default to the gender neutral "they/them" out of courtesy. That's my compromise at the moment, but I'm still debating it. Certainly, "he/him" is not incorrect.

Seems contradictory to me... by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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"Destroy Gender Roles"

Oh my head hurts. Your flag is pink and baby blue for chrissakes!

The stripes at the top and bottom are light blue, the traditional color for baby boys. The stripes next to them are pink, the traditional color for baby girls. -Monica Helms (trans flag creator)

Thoughts on Drag Queens & Drag Kings? by PeakingPeachEater in LGBDropTheT

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  1. Do you view Drag in a positive, negative, or neutral light?

Neutral. I know many GC people hate it and view it as woman-face, but I disagree. I think drag treats gender as the farce that it is. Men can wear dresses and makeup if their heart desires it, but the word "drag" acknowledges that they are still men. There's no rule against men performing in burlesque shows, unless we're to believe that burlesque and ballroom pageants are women-only activities. But then we're back to prescribing acceptable gendered behavior for each sex.

  1. Who is Drag for?

I don't know if there are any official definitions, but I consider "drag" to be any person dressing up as the opposite sex for entertainment. To me, a "drag queen" is specifically a gay man in drag as a woman.

2a. Should children be able to do perform for Drag?

Children should not be performing drag. Yeah, children do perform in dance recitals, plays, etc, but I think drag performance is more for adults.

  1. Are you interested in Drag or do you perform Drag?

Never performed. Not interested.

LGB Alliance UK, and the transgender-identified people who want to support LGB - What are your opinions? by reluctant_commenter in LGBDropTheT

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I approach gender ideology in the same way I approach religion. Religious beliefs can also be sexist and homophobic. And I don't agree with that, but I still believe in freedom of religion and that we should practice tolerance. So, even though I don't respect their beliefs, I can tolerate transwomen who say they want to "live as women" whatever that means. As long as they don't expect me or the law to pretend that TWAW, I'm glad to let them live their lives. Once their ideology starts affecting policy in a way that infringes on the rights of others, the gloves come off.

Ken Zucker muses about the parallels between ethnic identity "disorder" and GID. by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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Zucker found himself on the "wrong side" of the trans debate and now the TRAs view him as an enemy. Karma. Zucker is partially responsible for this mess. Here's a little history lesson:

1973: Homosexuality was removed as a mental disorder from DSM-II

"In 1973, the American Psychological [sic] Association voted to eliminate homosexuality from the [DSM]. Not coincidentally, the catch-all diagno- sis of “Gender Dysphoria Syndrome” (GDS)1 was introduced that year; GDS encompassed cross-dressers, transsexuals, homosexuals, and oth- ers, and it was not by chance that these disparate identities were seen as one and the same. The construction of GDS allowed clinicians to con- tinue to pathologize gay people. ... Since homosexuality is no longer considered pathological, GID is now used as a diagnosis for gay and les- bian adolescents who are viewed as in need of treatment, which includes hospitalization and medication." (McCarthy 2003)

1974,1976 - Richard Green's research links feminine behavior in boys with homosexuality in adulthood.

1980 - Green and Stoller introduce the diagnosis of Gender Identity Disorder in Children (GIDC) to DSM-III

1987 - DSM-III-R published. Zucker was one of people who worked on it. Also Green published his book "The Sissy boy Syndrome and the Development of Homosexuality"

1987-2000s - Green's book causes many to criticize GIDC as a "backdoor maneuver" to re-pathologize homosexuality in the DSM

If GID in children was not strongly associated with homosexuality in adult- hood’, it is unlikely that cross-gender behaviours in children ‘would have been designated psychiatric disorders or become the focus of an entire clinical field devoted to … “correcting” cross-gender behaviors’ (Minter, 1999 : 27)

2005 - Zucker responds to this criticism

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/7895222_Was_the_Gender_Identity_Disorder_of_Childhood_Diagnosis_Introduced_into_DSM-III_as_a_Backdoor_Maneuver_to_Replace_Homosexuality_A_Historical_Note

2020 - Keira Bell sues Tavistock. Childhood cross-gender behavior is highly correlated with homosexuality in adulthood. TransTheGayAway

LGBT in a nutshell. by Destruction in LGBDropTheT

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Didn't know all the rainbow people were persecuted in the holocaust and not just the homosexuals. by cutenoobies in LGBDropTheT

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They actually did distinguish between transvestism and homosexuality. In the era before Nazi Germany, homosexuality was outlawed while transvestism was not. In fact, transvestite passports were issued since 1914, allowing people to live as the opposite sex. This continued until at least 1940. For example, in 1941, the Interior Ministry decided that a trans man could keep their name change

"the ministry felt it would be 'an unjustifiable hardship' and 'probably quite impossible' for him to start living as a woman again." (The Administration of Gender Identity in Nazi Germany, Caplan)

Transvestism wasn't specifically targeted in the way that male homosexuality was. Martin Damman found so many photos of cross-dressing Nazis that he published a book of them in 2018. And according to one historian's answer on reddit, hundreds of people attended transvestite balls in Berlin as late as 1940.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/8mpebv/were_there_any_transgender_people_in_the_holocaust/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Oh those hot gay-as-fuck female himbos by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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Oh those hot gay-as-fuck female himbos by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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They get off (euphoria) on being called f@gs and getting hiv tests. That's how they think of gay men, so it serves to validate their identity. It's similar to how AGP transwomen get off on being cat-called and getting a gynecologist to examine them.

Thoughts on the gay male flag? (the blue one) by reluctant_commenter in LGBDropTheT

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Thanks for bringing this up again. Associating lesbians with pink and gay men with baby blue is gender coding. The motivation behind doing this is to align with the theme of the trans flag which also uses the pink/blue/white stripes.

I see this as just a part of a broader effort to dissociate gays and lesbians from their symbols. They have already colonized and misappropriated our words (gay, lesbian, queer). And now, the rainbow flag, a symbol of the gay rights movement since 1979, has been appropriated and grafitti'd over with a giant trans triangle. As a replacement, since the rainbow no longer stands for our movement, we are given these sad pink and blue gender-coded flags.

"I Am Gay And I Am Done With The LGBT Community" So is she straight? Bisexual? Gay? Pro- or Anti-Trans? What on earth is going on in the LGBT community? by BonesReds in LGBDropTheT

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People who refer to themselves as "very gay", "hella gay", or "gay as fuck" are almost always guaranteed to not be gay at all and only date the opposite sex.

Homophobic (Conversion Therapy) Origin of the Sex-Change Operation by motss-pb in LGBDropTheT

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Evidence:

"Persistence was strongly correlated with the commencement of physical interventions such as the hypothalamic blocker (t=.395, p=.007) and no patient within the sample desisted after having started on the hypothalamic blocker. 90.3% of young people who did not commence the blocker desisted." Source, WPATH 24th Scientific Symposium (June 19, 2016)

While I understand the point you are trying to make (gay kids should have their penises cut off), I disagree with your use of hyperboyle and the leap of logic required to get from "evidence based best practices for dealing with gender dysphoria" to "forced sterilization and elimination of homosexuals".

It's hyperbole, but it's happening in Iran. It's a leap of logic, yet I've cited papers where sexologists have admitted that eugenics and a desire to treat homosexuality motivated their pioneering of the sex-change operation. "Evidence-based best practice" really doesn't mean much when it's coming from a profession that has a long history of abusing LGB people.

Something tells me you're not here in good faith. You didn't migrate here from r/LGBDroptheT did you?

Homophobic (Conversion Therapy) Origin of the Sex-Change Operation by motss-pb in LGBDropTheT

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I'd argue that our current understanding of transgender/transsexual identities has not really progressed much since Harry Benjamin wrote about it in the 60s. At least back then sexologists realized that homosexual trans and heterosexual trans represented two distinct groups - with homosexual trans people usually experiencing gender dysphoria in early adolescence and heterosexual trans people usually later in adulthood. There were even further subclassifications of trans identities in the literature (primary transsexualism, secondary transsexualism, transvestism, etc). All of this has been greatly simplified by the current narrative which is that gender dysphoria arises as a result of a mismatch between gender identity and birth sex; self-id is to be taken as truth; and the treatment is social transition and puberty blockers followed by hormone therapy.

Recalling the homophobic and eugenics-motivated origins of SRS does not simplify this narrative. It does the opposite. The current discussion surrounding gender transition (especially in children) makes no connection to the historic abuse of LGB at the hands of psychiatrists during the homophobic WW2 and Cold-War eras, in which gays and lesbians were subjected to surgical castration, chemical castration, lobotomies, sterilization, electroshock therapy, and other conversion therapies. But there is a connection.

Why should we be concerned?

"Gender dysphoria in children is more heavily linked to adult homosexuality than to an adult transgender identity, especially with regard to boys" ( from wikipedia article on Gender Dysphoria in Children)

By treating gender dysphoric children with puberty blockers, we start them on a path to hormone therapy and surgeries resulting in the state-sanctioned, sexologist-approved sterilization and castration of gay people. Sound familiar?

Homophobic (Conversion Therapy) Origin of the Sex-Change Operation by motss-pb in LGBDropTheT

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In 1978, Hertoft and Sorensen, regarding the 1951-1953 case of Chris Jorgensen, wrote:

the original intention of the medical team was not to change a man into a woman, but to help a man who suffered from his homosexual impulses."

The original medical team for this watershed sex-change operation consisted of Drs. Christian Hamburger, Georg Stürup and Dahl-Iversen, who, in the 1953 Journal of the American Medical Association, wrote the following:

"At any rate, from a eugenic point of view it would do no harm if a number of sexually abnormal men were castrated and thus deprived of their sexual libido"

People on twitter claim that LGB Alliance is "supported by neo-nazis" by reluctant_commenter in LGBDropTheT

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So the guy who started this is a youtube/twitch gamer personality named Jim Sterling who got into an online flamewar with a lesbian gamer back in 2011. After calling her a "c**t" and "feminazi slut", some bloggers looked through his online posting history and found that he is most definitely an unabashed anti-feminist misogynist.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/gomakemeasandwich.wordpress.com/2011/02/07/in-his-words-why-jim-sterling-is-in-fact-very-sexist/amp/

In recent years he has reinvented himself as a queer pansexual nonbinary they/them. Perhaps to shield himself from gamergate? No doubt he'd be cancelled by now if he didn't self-identify out of being a man.

''Aromantic'' makes no sense. by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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I don't believe in the split attraction model either. Romantic orientation isn't a thing. I would put it in the same category as astrological signs and Myers-Briggs personality types. Pseudoscience.

It's emotional labor to say you’re not a blatant homophobe by Lesbianese in LGBDropTheT

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This is such gaslighting. Just yesterday, we got this gem on AskGayBrosOver30:

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskGaybrosOver30/comments/jx2uaa/why_are_so_many_of_you_attracted_to_trans_men/

"Why are so many of you attracted to trans men UNTIL they say they’re trans, and then suddenly you aren’t interested any more?"

They are the ones seeking constant validation of their identities, not us.

So... men? by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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Yeah, I was going to make a post about this, but never got around to it. The blue flag sucks.
I've edited the current banner to replace the blue "G" with a rainbow one. You can download the image here:

https://i.imgur.com/sUDobiC.png

Can someone please tell this furry fuckwad to get off the internet for once? by Smolders1 in LGBDropTheT

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"Same-sex attraction (i.e. homosexuality) is homophobic."

My god. Their whole ideology is just a heaping trash pile of contradictions. Well, throw it in with all the others I guess.

"Some women have penises"

"Some lesbians enjoy penis"

"Sex is a spectrum"

"Transgender is not a disorder, but we want hormones and surgery to treat it"

"Bi means two or more"

"Male vagina" by SausageFanatic in LGBDropTheT

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Meanwhile, in r/AskGayMen

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskGayMen/comments/ju3org/do_you_feel_like_trans_men_belong_in_gay_male/

How can you expect an honest answer? The sub's mod, Brian_Kinney, will delete any comment that says no.

Are the T colonising the Holocaust? by skylands in LGBDropTheT

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https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/8mpebv/were_there_any_transgender_people_in_the_holocaust/

I found this answer on reddit. Seems like only male homosexuality was specifically outlawed. People were officially allowed to get sex changes and transvestites were not specifically targeted.

"What is curious is also that it appears that in 1940 so-called Transvestiteballs were still held in Berlin and enjoyed over 300 visitors, all of them cross-dressing apparently."

Those are all bisexual with extra steps by LasagnaRossa in LGBDropTheT

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Yup. They tend to overcompensate by collecting labels as if they're girl scout badges.

Queer, nonbinary, genderflux, heteroromantic, pansexual demiboy/girl.

Translation: straight person

exhibit #28484852 why actuallesbians is no longer for lesbians by MadLass in LGBDropTheT

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I hate how it’s getting prevalent that the only acceptable “excuse” not to do dick is trauma.

And even then,

"Take your time to heal and work through your trauma at your own pace" -Riley J Dennis

Visualizing Sex as a Spectrum by Shadow_Lurker in LGBDropTheT

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The infographic is deliberately meant to obfuscate and confuse. Looking at this image:

https://static.scientificamerican.com/sciam/cache/file/164FE5CE-FBA6-493F-B9EA84B04830354E_source.jpg

you can see that the third info box in the Birth row, "Female external structures, male internal structures", has two long white arrows coming into and out of it that crisscross several other arrows and make the graphic look jumbled. Shifting this box a few places to the right would have made the diagram much less complicated. As it stands, the diagram looks like a tangled knot of flow chart arrows, but it could have been greatly simplified by just moving the boxes around.

And if you remove the intersex complexities (since transgender =/= intersex), the flowchart collapses to two arrows, the XX and XY paths.

Askgaybros Uwu acceptance post #267488 by [deleted] in LGBDropTheT

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Yup, we all love Paris Hilton, Lady Gaga, having sex in public restrooms and drinking coffee at Starbucks. That's what being gay means to them - just a bunch of stereotypes. It's a performance.

This reads like a bait post. Supposedly the poster is 19 years old, but Paris Hilton has not been relevant for over 10 years. And then there's this line:

"I’m young and in the prime TikTok demographic,"

Yeah, you really sound so young and hip with the times ...

Is "sexual preference" offensive (to you) by filbs111 in LGBDropTheT

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I was kind of surprised by the number of people saying that the word "preference" is not offensive to them when it's the very word TRAs have been using to dismantle our sexual boundaries and redefine homosexuality for us. But then I remembered that this whole thing is about the ACB hearing right now. Liberals are just using gay people to politically dunk on her. I get it. My sexual orientation is still not a preference. I wish we could agree on that in spite of our party affiliations.

Boston University survey on sexual/gender identities (bonus "oh noes the terfs have found it!) by blahblahgcer in LGBDropTheT

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This "researcher" posted their survey to

r/actuallesbians

r/asexuality

r/AskAsexuals

r/bisexual

r/pansexual

r/aromantic

I guess they don't want responses from gay people.

"I understand the argument against biphobia, but..." by BiHorror in LGBDropTheT

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Dating preferences are not x-phobia. You don't get to call people bigots just because they don't want to date you. That's TRA level nonsense. Online I've seen LG called biphobic for not dating bisexuals almost as often as we're called transphobic. That's why we constantly have to defend ourselves online with "I'm not transphobic, but", "I'm not biphobic, but". Rarely if ever do bisexuals get called out on their homophobia toward gay men and lesbians. Even though nearly 90% of bi relationships are not same-sex relationships, this bias is not called out as homophobia, but instead validated as heteromantic orientation. It's a double standard. Can we just stop with this "date me, you bigot" villification of LG? It's not cute when trans people do it. Why should it be ok when bi people do it?