If (according to the trans movement, I'm not an idiot) lesbians are attracted to penises and gay men can be attracted to vaginas...

les4les · 2020-09-18T20:32:12+00:00

you're a lesbian? well i have a girl cock! it has erectile dysfunction. are you attracted to me now

les4les · 2020-12-07T17:13:50+00:00

they have to rename it to afterelliot

(im joking)

les4les · 2020-10-27T21:05:01+00:00

When's the last time you met a "trans man" who was biologically male with a functioning penis?

Let alone an ear of corn or a tentacle, lmfao

les4les · 2020-09-17T23:39:04+00:00

lmfao this is the woman going for mr. gay england 2020 or whatever the fuck

les4les · 2020-11-05T03:28:50+00:00

No, it's a pretty common AL experience. 😂

lmaooooo

les4les · 2020-09-06T18:47:44+00:00

lmaoooooo

les4les · 2020-09-04T19:34:39+00:00

"No you" is as always the pinnacle of internet discourse

les4les · 2020-09-04T07:34:35+00:00

Vaild...

les4les · 2020-08-08T17:47:27+00:00

Good news!! They did!

https://twitter.com/UnicornMarch/status/1290711970526580737

les4les · 2020-09-04T20:04:15+00:00

Love to see males telling other males what womanhood and lesbianism is like. peak comedy

les4les · 2020-08-22T21:04:03+00:00

They're really running out of colors to slap into horizontally striped flags. eventually these flags are gonna get really ugly

les4les · 2020-08-16T17:21:54+00:00

I guess they found the word "genderqueer" hanging in a tree or something.

Right next to demisexuality

les4les · 2020-10-17T21:38:52+00:00

"Why do you keep making valid arguments that I can't combat without pretending you're a rabid freak frothing at the mouth?"

les4les · 2020-10-09T22:19:02+00:00

see the most upsetting thing for me is how many of these flags are lowkey kinda pretty smh

les4les · 2020-09-13T21:21:21+00:00

les4les · 2020-09-06T18:17:05+00:00

Came here to quote just that line! lmao

les4les · 2020-09-04T20:05:21+00:00

cis gal with a deep voice and broad shoulders

as we all know it's the deep voice and broad shoulders that make the man, not the cock

les4les · 2020-08-31T05:16:30+00:00

Would they respect us if we said this? Maybe, but should we do it? honestly I'd rather just be seen as a transphobe lmao

les4les · 2020-07-16T08:56:56+00:00

Much like neovaginas are vaginas and vaginas are front holes

les4les · 2020-12-28T20:29:11+00:00

it's the same thing

les4les · 2020-10-17T21:35:19+00:00

Love it when they claim "internalized homophobia" Like... you mean homophobia?

les4les · 2020-09-25T00:23:28+00:00

Agreed lololol this is LGB Drop The T, not LGB Drop The T and also the L and also the G and also the B 😒 If he doesn't see value in LGB community and solidarity why bother to come here

les4les · 2020-09-22T05:14:06+00:00

see... good at cleaning but not good at cooking

les4les · 2020-09-18T20:30:33+00:00

Lmao truth

les4les · 2020-09-02T03:26:32+00:00

I thought it looked European

les4les · 2020-08-31T20:20:37+00:00

Also if anyone can elaborate on "gay people who act straight" I would appreciate it because what does this even mean

feel like this is about "homonormatives" who just want to be able to marry and fuck in the privacy of our homes and not be fired from our jobs and lead normal lives, as opposed to those much more oppressed kweers who want to dress like clowns and wear diapers in public or whatever

les4les · 2020-07-13T21:26:48+00:00

They miss us so much, they've got to harass people over stupid shit like this to feel alive again

les4les · 2020-12-07T17:20:08+00:00

I'm very slowly learning to crochet! I want to make a scarf for my girlfriend for Christmas but it's been slow-going, because I'm not very good yet

Also "frogging it" is the most hilarious f-bomb I've ever seen hahahaha

les4les · 2020-12-07T05:25:46+00:00

I have both trans and TRA friends, it's a pretty tough line to walk. I only associate with women (so transmen or "afab enbies") so I'm sure my experience would be different from anybody who knows men that are TRAs, I get the sense that men are a lot more violent/pushy with it.

Generally speaking I play dumb, though. I'll say stuff like "I still don't know what gender means" and I'll just avoid bringing anything up. I'm pretty active in a few fandom groups so I have to steer pretty clear of discussing JK Rowling or Ellen Page lately.

I've had some success trying to say things like "as a cis lesbian i have a different perspective on this issue" too but generally that has the caveat of, because I'm not trans-identified, my perspective doesn't actually matter, and I'm too much of a pussy to suggest that it should lol

les4les · 2020-12-05T02:35:38+00:00

i dont care either way but the trans identified heterosexuals clowning on the boring straights will never not be hilarious

les4les · 2020-12-02T00:03:55+00:00

The "list of transgender serial killers" page was recently wiped from the site.

les4les · 2020-10-05T18:15:04+00:00

Trauma isn't even a "valid" reason anymore lol it's all about unpacking that cisnormative subliminal messaging 🤪

les4les · 2020-09-30T00:28:45+00:00

Usually I wonder if these people are actually cis lol I think there are definitely at least some "cis gay/lesbian allies" that are actually trans people talking out of their asses

les4les · 2020-09-14T16:01:43+00:00

This is garbage! the font for "Glossary" is nice though

edit: "limited... sexual attraction" literally everybody is asexual now, unless they have a raging boner for everything they see

les4les · 2020-09-08T03:47:02+00:00

Yep, at this point my preferred flags and terms are the ones that say most clearly "I am not woke"

les4les · 2020-09-06T18:46:31+00:00

Mocha! I especially like the flavored types Starbucks comes out with during the holidays

les4les · 2020-09-04T19:39:16+00:00

Yeah I think that children are super susceptible to thinking things are crushes when they're not. When I was 6-8 if I had strong feelings in some way about a boy I just figured it was the mythical "crush" but looking back on that, I was mostly jealous of them

Like how attuned to desire and personal relationships are little children supposed to be, when I was six I thought the definition of marriage was owning a house together

les4les · 2020-09-04T19:20:42+00:00

I'm gonna lose my mind lmao. They wanna take the sex out of homosexuality so bad

edit: pg-13 version

les4les · 2020-09-04T08:14:25+00:00

Yea I mean I was one of those women on that thread and I guess everything is really up to interpretation but I do think that being like a pre-pubescent girl with a crush is different from being an adult woman who claims to be a lesbian and then marries a man

I don't know if I believe in comphet though, I think it's more probable that any feelings children have for the opposite sex are immediately treated like a crush, including things from actual crushes to friendship to outright dislike, like when boys bully or antagonize girls and adults pretend it's because they "like" them. I guess it's possible for little kids to get a grasp on their sexuality really early but I also think it's reasonable for them not to, lmao. When you're like eight and sheltered and nobody's hit puberty yet, the biggest differences between boys and girls are gonna be things like fashion and behavior and maybe how fast they run. I only started being repulsed by boys when I thought about them growing up into men

Adult women though are old enough to have a grasp of attraction, sex, and romance that's more nuanced than, like, a disney movie, and if they're still interested in men, they're not lesbians lmao

les4les · 2020-09-03T20:55:42+00:00

People are turning it into the Gender Sexuality Alliance these days, for the wokepoints. my school has a Queer Student Union which is even more annoying

les4les · 2020-09-02T19:01:00+00:00

Het-partnered women whose partners came out as trans are going to skew how actual lesbians (lol) are perceived in the same way that their husbands have. It drives me insane

les4les · 2020-09-02T03:24:15+00:00

Ah, seems I'm just misunderstanding the rules of Saidit. my bad

I think I would mind having opposite views on LGB (or being on s/all) more than I would on LGBDDT just because LGB strikes me more as a safe space to get away from all the rest of this crap, lol, that's my $0.02

I agree I wouldn't want to limit the ability of the community to grow though. I don't know if it'd be easier to open the group more in the future if things work out, as opposed to having to close it more if things go south quickly so I can't offer any input on that, but I personally tend to err on the cautious side, so that's my vote if this is a vote haha

les4les · 2020-08-31T20:25:04+00:00

LGB people fought so we wouldn't be seen as deviants and perverts, not so a bunch of people taking over our language and our community could show up decades later like "actually, being a deviant and pervert is subversive and progressive and a good thing" 🙄

les4les · 2020-08-30T21:15:50+00:00

Made my girlfriend watch one of my favorite movies with me last night. She thought it was pretty weird but at least we had fun.

les4les · 2020-08-30T20:04:34+00:00

I know many women see this whole thing as an orchestrated plot to destroy feminism and put females back in their boxes. You might be right. (That Everyday Feminism site disturbs me.) But my gut feeling at the moment is that it's something more selfish and unconscious. Something typically male, in other words. I don't think a lot of us even notice the damage we're doing as we rampage around in the china shop.

Also a good snippet. Appreciate this introspection/self-awareness a lot, it's (obviously) very rare on Reddit

les4les · 2020-08-18T18:37:07+00:00

It's gone the other way as well. There are women married to men who come out as lesbians, and their husbands then come out as "trans lesbians" to keep their wives

les4les · 2020-08-18T18:33:43+00:00

Members of these subreddits are getting more aggressive because they're being brigaded with these kinds of baiting, bad-faith posts. This is their own damn fault

les4les · 2020-07-13T21:55:49+00:00

"TERF’s have a history of being brazen in their confrontations and hide very little about their identities, so gathering most of this info [edit to clarify: identifying info] is not hard. When the fascist database comes online, submit everything you have. That will give the global coalition against hate as complete a picture as possible of who needs re-education."

This is horrifying.

les4les · 2020-07-13T01:06:44+00:00

Also an offensive way to describe gay men in Britain lmao

🤔

les4les · 2020-07-10T20:57:59+00:00

and then there were none

les4les · 2020-12-28T20:34:02+00:00

wow this is a moronic take

les4les · 2020-12-28T20:32:46+00:00

absolutely never

les4les · 2020-12-08T23:30:43+00:00

Oof!!!

les4les · 2020-12-07T17:15:21+00:00

This is my own opinion, but I love playing humans in fantasy worlds (DnD or the like.) The everyman character is appealing to a lot of people

les4les · 2020-12-07T17:11:05+00:00

I still can't believe we lost words as simple and descriptive as "female"

les4les · 2020-12-07T17:07:59+00:00

I've seen a lot of comparisons of trans activism and cult behavior so I definitely understand where they're coming from! Honestly my reluctance to use it mostly stems from a place of not wanting to push away people that might be on the fence. I have a few libfem friends that are close to peaking but not quite there yet, so I try to moderate my language to keep from coming off as transphobique

I know while we're in the middle of this, it certainly seems difficult to imagine the world not being this way.

This might be the rest of the reason I feel this way, hahaha. I'm only in my early 20s so waiting 5-10 years for this to blow over seems impossible

les4les · 2020-12-07T17:03:46+00:00

goddddddd

i'm in a branch of engineering that tends to have more women in it by which i mean... we're only outnumbered 2 to 1

les4les · 2020-12-07T05:33:33+00:00

Are you a STEM major? >_<

les4les · 2020-12-07T05:33:06+00:00

I honestly don't know what I think about whether it'll hit the fan or not. A lot of people have sunk a lot of time and energy into it. I try to steer clear of "trans cult" accusations because I think they're extreme, but it does have a lot of parallels and the most notable one to me is how difficult it's going to be for people to wake up, whether they're trans-identified or just allies. I think any backlash that comes is going to be extremely homophobic and conservative and unfortunately that's going to push a lot of the trans lobby even further into queer theory bullshit

les4les · 2020-12-07T05:14:09+00:00

honestly i can't see it going any way other than piles of heterosexuals who had an edgy phase in their teenage years they no longer discuss. but i'm sure a few of them will just go straight into deviant kink subcultures or something

and nope! it's one of the many idiotic accusations the uberwoke like to lob at us normal gay people who want to "be treated equally" and "have rights" and "get married"

les4les · 2020-11-25T19:29:58+00:00

I can't help but think this is deliberate: making actually same-sex attracted people a minority in our own movement (if not in numbers, then in "subcommunities", not sure if that made sense.) Now we're crammed into about the first 25% of our own acronym. EDIT: and since we're the first letters, we can't distance ourselves from the idiocy

les4les · 2020-11-05T03:50:54+00:00

KINK. Immediate no. Also anybody who has their weed preference listed like it's a big deal

Anyway I used to be a bit (a lot) of a Harry Potter fan but I've gotten mostly over it by this age lol. Definitely wouldn't put it in a dating profile, I have no idea what any woman would try to accomplish by doing that

les4les · 2020-11-05T03:47:16+00:00

This is why I don't like drag lmao

les4les · 2020-11-05T03:46:20+00:00

Aaaaaahahaha

les4les · 2020-11-05T03:44:06+00:00

I'm concerned about sex ed for children, and how LGB & fetish is apparently being taught to younger and younger kids in Western countries.

This, so much. I don't have any opposition to children being taught that homo/bisexuality exists but they should absolutely NOT be pushed into "exploring sexuality" or thinking about who they're attracted to (like on those Mermaids genderbread handouts)

There was an article on Quillette about sex education starting to include S&M and fetish stuff too which is just sickening to think about particularly. Overall there needs to be a pushback against liberal politics pushing these ideas that anything subversive is good

I also can't see us ever dropping the T. Even if normies start pushing back against medical malpractice and manipulative activism, transactivists aren't going anywhere. They want to be oppressed so badly I think they'd honestly be emboldened by the backlash and of course homosexual and bisexual people are going to get caught in it too, so I doubt LGB will disperse either. We've all really made a mess of things (not just liberals and kweers but LGB too)

les4les · 2020-10-27T21:23:40+00:00

Another day, another online dictionary befouled by the trans agenda

les4les · 2020-10-27T21:21:59+00:00

Somebody said that AskGayBros has - or is getting - a transgender mod.

Well, that's it. r/tumblrinaction holds the line

les4les · 2020-10-27T21:12:53+00:00

this guy again? oh my god

les4les · 2020-10-19T08:14:59+00:00

it doesn't fit in with their uwu view of how oppressed they are for having gender identities

les4les · 2020-10-19T08:13:30+00:00

i can't believe the gall of them saying it "didn't feel queer" have some respect

les4les · 2020-10-18T20:21:38+00:00

this exactly. not enough people bought into genderspecialfeels so they're pretending that regular men and women (especially LGB) are part of them

les4les · 2020-10-17T21:41:57+00:00

Yeah come on it's been a joke for decades now that lesbians can't take jokes... chill it's not that deep

les4les · 2020-10-17T21:37:04+00:00

I do have a fear of making women uncomfortable in the same way men have made me feel uncomfortable.

This is it exactly. I don't fear being predatory because I know I'm not a predator. But I do fear people seeing me as one because thats what they expect of lesbians.

les4les · 2020-10-16T01:23:12+00:00

i'm cracking up. this, literally every week. the bros hold the line

les4les · 2020-10-09T04:25:20+00:00

The fact that they're 100% serious... I don't know whether to find it funny or devastating

les4les · 2020-10-09T04:23:18+00:00

Now I know it seems a tad small but this has me genuinely fucking mad.

No, this is genuinely fucking infuriating. This is not only a landmark story about gay love but I think it's just intrinsically about being a gay man. Making a gay transman rewrite with heterosexual women is so fucking insulting

les4les · 2020-10-05T19:37:20+00:00

Hey, no worries! I think a lot of us are just defensive of this space and wary of bad-faith visitors lol. Thank you for being respectful in return

les4les · 2020-10-05T17:52:39+00:00

You definitely are new here lmao. I feel like there isn't anybody here that would say that "queer" is better than trans vs. cis. It's a slur against LGB people and even though the trans lobby has co-opted it to mean anybody with genderfeels, the first transsexuals to be called queer were almost called queer because they were perceived as homosexuals

I agree with what you're saying to a point. There's not really any such thing as a "male" or "female" brain, just experiences and socializations more common for people with male and female bodies, and sex and behavior/sex and personality aren't intrinsically linked. By their own definitions, trans people have basically made it impossible to be cisgender. But honestly I'd rather lose the cis/trans binary without replacing it with a nonbinary spectrum. We're all still either men or women, we can hit the message that it's alright not to be a sex stereotype without pretending that we're "queer" if we do, we don't need more labels and we especially don't need more labels that are just repurposing the labels we're already annoyed with lol

les4les · 2020-10-05T17:20:11+00:00

The paradox is that on a societal level, ignoring this problem that plagues many isn't a good approach, but on an individual level, ignoring it/not obsessing about it is probably the thing that helps most.

This is a great way to put it. Because nobody talks about the discomfort so many young people have in their bodies, they feel abnormal, which I think is why a lot of them end up obsessing over it or taking it to extremes once they find others who suffer the same way

les4les · 2020-10-05T17:17:45+00:00

I do think a lot of LGB people have gender confusion, and it's even worse now that people are defining gender so nebulously. Girls especially grow up hating our bodies and unfortunately now that the narrative is that everybody has an innate gender identity, more and more confused kids are getting pushed toward identifying as "nonbinary" just for not feeling like they have lady brains or manly essences.

Got me as well, though! I was jealous of men's bodies (or maybe just athletic abilities) for most of my adolescence lol

les4les · 2020-10-02T00:32:52+00:00

A lot of my friends are through my (fairly liberal) university so... yeah, it's pretty overrun with gender theory. I would love to network a little and meet some more normal and/or sensible people but it's pretty hard to go around asking people if they believe in gender hahaha

Sadly a lot of the people who are moderately woke just to be nice end wind up having to become super woke because that's just how it works to be woke. Nobody will accepted half ass wokeness

terf'd and feathered

also lmao at this

les4les · 2020-09-30T15:20:10+00:00

By now the trans debates have come up so regularly that it's only a matter of time no matter what we do lmao

les4les · 2020-09-30T15:11:33+00:00

Lmao

les4les · 2020-09-30T08:40:00+00:00

I think that we've been taken advantage of. Because early LGBT included homosexual transsexuals, as in people who are actually LGB, we definitely greased the slope for these people to come in and slide down it. But queer theorists and heterosexuals were the ones who showed up, appropriated our language and experiences, and are now trying to force their beliefs on the rest of the world.

I think it could be argued that LGB people have enabled this in some sense, I know even in this sub a lot of us used to be trans allies. But honestly at a certain point we can't really point too many fingers. No one person did this, and neither did any one group of people, I think conservatives are just as culpable for the rise of trans as queer theorists when you think about how many trans people were raised with strict gender norms

les4les · 2020-09-30T01:17:19+00:00

This is such a sweet idea hahaha. I don't live anywhere that there are lots of trick or treaters or I'd try it

Probably going to get a pumpkin for the porch just for posterity

les4les · 2020-09-30T00:24:06+00:00

If the label gay wasn't so important to me maybe I'd have let myself feel something for her. Makes sense?

This was so funny to me. LMFAO maybe you're not a gay man if you think that identifying with a label is more important than being actually gay

les4les · 2020-09-30T00:21:49+00:00

Yeah. While dropthet and gendercritical could conceivably be "hate subs" (even though both were pretty well moderated and often respectful) because they were both focussed on gender theory/transgender people, but rightwinglgbt was just... conservative gay people. I don't agree with the right wing but there was really nothing unique about them compared to other right wing communities other than that they were gay lmao... telling which communities got shut up fastest

les4les · 2020-09-29T20:00:17+00:00

Yeah I came here to point that comment out hahah. All excellently said

les4les · 2020-09-29T03:41:20+00:00

These two "sides" of homophobia help each other.

Exactly lol with all these freaks and narcissists being the face of the community now conservatives probably feel pretty vindicated in hating the rest of us

les4les · 2020-09-29T00:07:12+00:00

Wow I rewatched that movie yesterday haha. small world

Anyway yeah. It's a good movie. I think a lot of people don't have any idea what conversion therapy is like or how it works, it was definitely eye-opening to me (and made me feel pretty sick to my stomach lol.) The book is good as well since it's more in depth. It's the business of making young gay people hate themselves dressed up as a Bible camp and it's taken a completely different face than the horror shows I think most people would imagine

les4les · 2020-09-29T00:02:51+00:00

I loathe the Democrats, I FEAR the Republicans.

this lmao. well said

les4les · 2020-09-29T00:00:05+00:00

Yeah my school has gender neutral dorms lol Fortunately they're on a by-request-only basis

les4les · 2020-09-28T23:42:28+00:00

Yeah, getting nostalgic for "old school" homophobia isn't productive. They're just as bad, they're just less annoying because they aren't infiltrating us

les4les · 2020-09-28T23:41:04+00:00

...catgender?

les4les · 2020-09-28T23:36:18+00:00

They're eventually going to be their own ruination I just wish it weren't taking so damn long

les4les · 2020-09-28T23:16:52+00:00

Agreed, unfortunately. Don't write off the wokies too fast, a lot of gendercrits were once woke too. Sometimes it does work out to slowly discuss your way into understanding sex-based oppression and attraction

les4les · 2020-09-26T01:37:24+00:00

Have been slowly bringing this up more with people I know online who are less involved in the LGB/T communities. It's definitely been slow going (there are a lot of "live and let live" attitudes from people) but I'm glad to know that most of the people I consider my friends are at least a little bit gender critical

les4les · 2020-09-25T16:54:26+00:00

I know we're not that welcoming of radical feminist ideas in this sub but, effects of pornography on culture lmao. Kids think if they're not a deviant there's something wrong with them and they have to start making up new sexualities to explain it

les4les · 2020-09-25T00:31:02+00:00

Nobody seems to bat an eye about a single parent raising a kid and it's often seen as brave, but then those same people argue that same sex couples shouldn't be able to adopt because then the kid wouldn't have a mother and a father.

Yeah, came here to point this out. I'm sure everyone in the world can name someone whose straight parents did a horrible job raising them, but I've known several single mothers who've done a good job with their kids. Of course, single parents can face a lot of scrutiny as well, but I think that any parental situation that isn't "two married heterosexuals" is held to a very high standard.

And of course I'm not against holding parents to high standards when they're raising children, but I do wish straight couples were held to the same ones lol

les4les · 2020-09-25T00:00:58+00:00

Of those survey-takers, 58% favored keeping the Boystown moniker and 20% said they felt unwelcomed by the Boystown name

a majority of people wanted to keep the name but no, we can't have a smaller minority feel welcome in a community that doesn't exist for them

les4les