RantSad watching so many lesbians and bi women rejecting womanhood

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[–]reluctant_commenter 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

I don't have any wise commentary, just-- same. :(

I don't know about you but I've kind of resigned myself to probably being single for the next like 5-10 years while gender ideology hits the fan. I just don't know that many women who are lesbian/bisexual, period, let alone ones who don't buy into the gender cult. And personally, I don't know if I have the energy to try to comb through people to find someone and face verbal attacks or social ostracizing if I run into a particularly committed TRA. The thought depresses me. But, what else can I do, lol? Sorry, this probably won't help your mood, haha.

edit: misspelled

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 8 insightful - 3 fun8 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Are you so sure gender ideology will hit the fan?

[–]reluctant_commenter 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Yes, I am. I think it will take time; if you think that timeframe is too soon, that's understandable. But I think the vast majority of people, certainly of straight people, do not realize what queer theory is let alone why it is homophobic (at least in its popular form today), and queer theory is the foundation for gender ideology. I think Keira Bell's victory in the UK is a promising sign that the tide is starting to turn.

Are you more in doubt, yourself? Just curious. Happy to hear another perspective.

[–]les4leshomonormative 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I honestly don't know what I think about whether it'll hit the fan or not. A lot of people have sunk a lot of time and energy into it. I try to steer clear of "trans cult" accusations because I think they're extreme, but it does have a lot of parallels and the most notable one to me is how difficult it's going to be for people to wake up, whether they're trans-identified or just allies. I think any backlash that comes is going to be extremely homophobic and conservative and unfortunately that's going to push a lot of the trans lobby even further into queer theory bullshit

[–]reluctant_commenter 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I try to steer clear of "trans cult" accusations because I think they're extreme

Extreme accusations for extreme behaviors. Trans rights activists' behaviors, beliefs, and actions are extreme, and they follow a specific set of beliefs, so I think it is plenty justified to describe gender ideology as cult-like. Relevant definitions from Oxford English Dictionary (as just one example, not that I think of this as a particular authority):

  1. a way of life, an attitude, an idea, etc. that has become very popular

  2. a small group of people who have extreme religious beliefs and who are not part of any established religion

  3. a system of religious beliefs and practices

https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/cult_1#:~:text=a%20small%20group%20of%20people,home%20and%20joined%20a%20cult.

You could argue that only definition #1 applies to gender ideology-- but that's still a fair use of the word. Gender ideology does not strictly speaking involve a belief in some sort of god(s) or supernatural force, so you can't exactly call it a religion, but it is an ideology that employs cult tactics. Examples of cult-like behavior I've seen from hardcore trans rights activists:

  • love bombing and a surrogate family - you can see this on the trans subreddits, AL (actualtransbians, that is), "transball" subreddits, etc. Anybody who comes out as trans or as a trans defender is 1. lavished with praise 2. if they haven't come out as trans, are bombarded with messages that they may be in denial about being trans.
  • shunning -- cancel culture is one example of this, but I've also witnessed this on a much smaller level among people my age (I'm in my 20s) who put down, dismiss, and encourage others to avoid anyone who is deemed even slightly "problematic"
  • elitism -- if you don't agree with gender ideology you are deemed ignorant, stupid, unenlightened, a bigot, whatever. Active discouragement of engagement with people who disagree.
  • people who leave the group are villainized -- esp. detrans people whose stories and experiences don't fit the idealized narratives of gender ideology.

Not really a source but just a place I found some of those examples: https://blog.usejournal.com/how-cults-entrap-people-d2f012c10149

Sorry, I know it might seem like I'm splitting hairs here, but your comment made me curious enough to read about it more, so thank you very much, lol.

I honestly don't know what I think about whether it'll hit the fan or not.

Totally fair. I know while we're in the middle of this, it certainly seems difficult to imagine the world not being this way.

[–]les4leshomonormative 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I've seen a lot of comparisons of trans activism and cult behavior so I definitely understand where they're coming from! Honestly my reluctance to use it mostly stems from a place of not wanting to push away people that might be on the fence. I have a few libfem friends that are close to peaking but not quite there yet, so I try to moderate my language to keep from coming off as transphobique

I know while we're in the middle of this, it certainly seems difficult to imagine the world not being this way.

This might be the rest of the reason I feel this way, hahaha. I'm only in my early 20s so waiting 5-10 years for this to blow over seems impossible

[–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh, that totally makes sense. I never start out with "it's a literal cult" when talking to people about it IRL, I agree.

Also in my early 20s, I feel ya. :) At least we'll be in our late 20s/early 30s by that point in time. It really frustrates me though, not gonna lie.