The things my acquaintances send to each other on twitter made me realize how little I mean in their eyes...

les4les · 2020-12-28T20:34:02+00:00

wow this is a moronic take

les4les · 2020-12-28T20:32:46+00:00

absolutely never

les4les · 2020-12-28T20:29:11+00:00

it's the same thing

les4les · 2020-12-08T23:30:43+00:00

Oof!!!

les4les · 2020-12-07T17:20:08+00:00

I'm very slowly learning to crochet! I want to make a scarf for my girlfriend for Christmas but it's been slow-going, because I'm not very good yet

Also "frogging it" is the most hilarious f-bomb I've ever seen hahahaha

les4les · 2020-12-07T17:15:21+00:00

This is my own opinion, but I love playing humans in fantasy worlds (DnD or the like.) The everyman character is appealing to a lot of people

les4les · 2020-12-07T17:13:50+00:00

they have to rename it to afterelliot

(im joking)

les4les · 2020-12-07T17:11:05+00:00

I still can't believe we lost words as simple and descriptive as "female"

les4les · 2020-12-07T17:07:59+00:00

I've seen a lot of comparisons of trans activism and cult behavior so I definitely understand where they're coming from! Honestly my reluctance to use it mostly stems from a place of not wanting to push away people that might be on the fence. I have a few libfem friends that are close to peaking but not quite there yet, so I try to moderate my language to keep from coming off as transphobique

I know while we're in the middle of this, it certainly seems difficult to imagine the world not being this way.

This might be the rest of the reason I feel this way, hahaha. I'm only in my early 20s so waiting 5-10 years for this to blow over seems impossible

les4les · 2020-12-07T17:03:46+00:00

goddddddd

i'm in a branch of engineering that tends to have more women in it by which i mean... we're only outnumbered 2 to 1

les4les · 2020-12-07T05:33:33+00:00

Are you a STEM major? >_<

les4les · 2020-12-07T05:33:06+00:00

I honestly don't know what I think about whether it'll hit the fan or not. A lot of people have sunk a lot of time and energy into it. I try to steer clear of "trans cult" accusations because I think they're extreme, but it does have a lot of parallels and the most notable one to me is how difficult it's going to be for people to wake up, whether they're trans-identified or just allies. I think any backlash that comes is going to be extremely homophobic and conservative and unfortunately that's going to push a lot of the trans lobby even further into queer theory bullshit

les4les · 2020-12-07T05:25:46+00:00

I have both trans and TRA friends, it's a pretty tough line to walk. I only associate with women (so transmen or "afab enbies") so I'm sure my experience would be different from anybody who knows men that are TRAs, I get the sense that men are a lot more violent/pushy with it.

Generally speaking I play dumb, though. I'll say stuff like "I still don't know what gender means" and I'll just avoid bringing anything up. I'm pretty active in a few fandom groups so I have to steer pretty clear of discussing JK Rowling or Ellen Page lately.

I've had some success trying to say things like "as a cis lesbian i have a different perspective on this issue" too but generally that has the caveat of, because I'm not trans-identified, my perspective doesn't actually matter, and I'm too much of a pussy to suggest that it should lol

les4les · 2020-12-07T05:14:09+00:00

honestly i can't see it going any way other than piles of heterosexuals who had an edgy phase in their teenage years they no longer discuss. but i'm sure a few of them will just go straight into deviant kink subcultures or something

and nope! it's one of the many idiotic accusations the uberwoke like to lob at us normal gay people who want to "be treated equally" and "have rights" and "get married"

les4les · 2020-12-05T02:35:38+00:00

i dont care either way but the trans identified heterosexuals clowning on the boring straights will never not be hilarious

les4les · 2020-12-02T00:03:55+00:00

The "list of transgender serial killers" page was recently wiped from the site.

les4les · 2020-11-25T19:29:58+00:00

I can't help but think this is deliberate: making actually same-sex attracted people a minority in our own movement (if not in numbers, then in "subcommunities", not sure if that made sense.) Now we're crammed into about the first 25% of our own acronym. EDIT: and since we're the first letters, we can't distance ourselves from the idiocy

les4les · 2020-11-05T03:50:54+00:00

KINK. Immediate no. Also anybody who has their weed preference listed like it's a big deal

Anyway I used to be a bit (a lot) of a Harry Potter fan but I've gotten mostly over it by this age lol. Definitely wouldn't put it in a dating profile, I have no idea what any woman would try to accomplish by doing that

les4les · 2020-11-05T03:47:16+00:00

This is why I don't like drag lmao

les4les · 2020-11-05T03:46:20+00:00

Aaaaaahahaha

les4les · 2020-11-05T03:44:06+00:00

I'm concerned about sex ed for children, and how LGB & fetish is apparently being taught to younger and younger kids in Western countries.

This, so much. I don't have any opposition to children being taught that homo/bisexuality exists but they should absolutely NOT be pushed into "exploring sexuality" or thinking about who they're attracted to (like on those Mermaids genderbread handouts)

There was an article on Quillette about sex education starting to include S&M and fetish stuff too which is just sickening to think about particularly. Overall there needs to be a pushback against liberal politics pushing these ideas that anything subversive is good

I also can't see us ever dropping the T. Even if normies start pushing back against medical malpractice and manipulative activism, transactivists aren't going anywhere. They want to be oppressed so badly I think they'd honestly be emboldened by the backlash and of course homosexual and bisexual people are going to get caught in it too, so I doubt LGB will disperse either. We've all really made a mess of things (not just liberals and kweers but LGB too)

les4les · 2020-11-05T03:28:50+00:00

No, it's a pretty common AL experience. 😂

lmaooooo

les4les · 2020-10-27T21:23:40+00:00

Another day, another online dictionary befouled by the trans agenda

les4les · 2020-10-27T21:21:59+00:00

Somebody said that AskGayBros has - or is getting - a transgender mod.

Well, that's it. r/tumblrinaction holds the line

les4les · 2020-10-27T21:12:53+00:00

this guy again? oh my god

les4les · 2020-10-27T21:05:01+00:00

When's the last time you met a "trans man" who was biologically male with a functioning penis?

Let alone an ear of corn or a tentacle, lmfao

les4les · 2020-10-19T08:14:59+00:00

it doesn't fit in with their uwu view of how oppressed they are for having gender identities

les4les · 2020-10-19T08:13:30+00:00

i can't believe the gall of them saying it "didn't feel queer" have some respect

les4les · 2020-10-18T20:21:38+00:00

this exactly. not enough people bought into genderspecialfeels so they're pretending that regular men and women (especially LGB) are part of them

les4les · 2020-10-17T21:41:57+00:00

Yeah come on it's been a joke for decades now that lesbians can't take jokes... chill it's not that deep

les4les · 2020-10-17T21:38:52+00:00

"Why do you keep making valid arguments that I can't combat without pretending you're a rabid freak frothing at the mouth?"

les4les · 2020-10-17T21:37:04+00:00

I do have a fear of making women uncomfortable in the same way men have made me feel uncomfortable.

This is it exactly. I don't fear being predatory because I know I'm not a predator. But I do fear people seeing me as one because thats what they expect of lesbians.

les4les · 2020-10-17T21:35:19+00:00

Love it when they claim "internalized homophobia" Like... you mean homophobia?

les4les · 2020-10-16T01:23:12+00:00

i'm cracking up. this, literally every week. the bros hold the line

les4les · 2020-10-09T22:19:02+00:00

see the most upsetting thing for me is how many of these flags are lowkey kinda pretty smh

les4les · 2020-10-09T04:25:20+00:00

The fact that they're 100% serious... I don't know whether to find it funny or devastating

les4les · 2020-10-09T04:23:18+00:00

Now I know it seems a tad small but this has me genuinely fucking mad.

No, this is genuinely fucking infuriating. This is not only a landmark story about gay love but I think it's just intrinsically about being a gay man. Making a gay transman rewrite with heterosexual women is so fucking insulting

les4les · 2020-10-05T19:37:20+00:00

Hey, no worries! I think a lot of us are just defensive of this space and wary of bad-faith visitors lol. Thank you for being respectful in return

les4les · 2020-10-05T18:15:04+00:00

Trauma isn't even a "valid" reason anymore lol it's all about unpacking that cisnormative subliminal messaging 🤪

les4les · 2020-10-05T17:52:39+00:00

You definitely are new here lmao. I feel like there isn't anybody here that would say that "queer" is better than trans vs. cis. It's a slur against LGB people and even though the trans lobby has co-opted it to mean anybody with genderfeels, the first transsexuals to be called queer were almost called queer because they were perceived as homosexuals

I agree with what you're saying to a point. There's not really any such thing as a "male" or "female" brain, just experiences and socializations more common for people with male and female bodies, and sex and behavior/sex and personality aren't intrinsically linked. By their own definitions, trans people have basically made it impossible to be cisgender. But honestly I'd rather lose the cis/trans binary without replacing it with a nonbinary spectrum. We're all still either men or women, we can hit the message that it's alright not to be a sex stereotype without pretending that we're "queer" if we do, we don't need more labels and we especially don't need more labels that are just repurposing the labels we're already annoyed with lol

les4les · 2020-10-05T17:20:11+00:00

The paradox is that on a societal level, ignoring this problem that plagues many isn't a good approach, but on an individual level, ignoring it/not obsessing about it is probably the thing that helps most.

This is a great way to put it. Because nobody talks about the discomfort so many young people have in their bodies, they feel abnormal, which I think is why a lot of them end up obsessing over it or taking it to extremes once they find others who suffer the same way

les4les · 2020-10-05T17:17:45+00:00

I do think a lot of LGB people have gender confusion, and it's even worse now that people are defining gender so nebulously. Girls especially grow up hating our bodies and unfortunately now that the narrative is that everybody has an innate gender identity, more and more confused kids are getting pushed toward identifying as "nonbinary" just for not feeling like they have lady brains or manly essences.

Got me as well, though! I was jealous of men's bodies (or maybe just athletic abilities) for most of my adolescence lol

les4les · 2020-10-02T00:32:52+00:00

A lot of my friends are through my (fairly liberal) university so... yeah, it's pretty overrun with gender theory. I would love to network a little and meet some more normal and/or sensible people but it's pretty hard to go around asking people if they believe in gender hahaha

Sadly a lot of the people who are moderately woke just to be nice end wind up having to become super woke because that's just how it works to be woke. Nobody will accepted half ass wokeness

terf'd and feathered

also lmao at this

les4les · 2020-09-30T15:20:10+00:00

By now the trans debates have come up so regularly that it's only a matter of time no matter what we do lmao

les4les · 2020-09-30T15:11:33+00:00

Lmao

les4les · 2020-09-30T08:40:00+00:00

I think that we've been taken advantage of. Because early LGBT included homosexual transsexuals, as in people who are actually LGB, we definitely greased the slope for these people to come in and slide down it. But queer theorists and heterosexuals were the ones who showed up, appropriated our language and experiences, and are now trying to force their beliefs on the rest of the world.

I think it could be argued that LGB people have enabled this in some sense, I know even in this sub a lot of us used to be trans allies. But honestly at a certain point we can't really point too many fingers. No one person did this, and neither did any one group of people, I think conservatives are just as culpable for the rise of trans as queer theorists when you think about how many trans people were raised with strict gender norms

les4les · 2020-09-30T01:17:19+00:00

This is such a sweet idea hahaha. I don't live anywhere that there are lots of trick or treaters or I'd try it

Probably going to get a pumpkin for the porch just for posterity

les4les · 2020-09-30T00:28:45+00:00

Usually I wonder if these people are actually cis lol I think there are definitely at least some "cis gay/lesbian allies" that are actually trans people talking out of their asses

les4les · 2020-09-30T00:24:06+00:00

If the label gay wasn't so important to me maybe I'd have let myself feel something for her. Makes sense?

This was so funny to me. LMFAO maybe you're not a gay man if you think that identifying with a label is more important than being actually gay

les4les · 2020-09-30T00:21:49+00:00

Yeah. While dropthet and gendercritical could conceivably be "hate subs" (even though both were pretty well moderated and often respectful) because they were both focussed on gender theory/transgender people, but rightwinglgbt was just... conservative gay people. I don't agree with the right wing but there was really nothing unique about them compared to other right wing communities other than that they were gay lmao... telling which communities got shut up fastest

les4les · 2020-09-29T20:00:17+00:00

Yeah I came here to point that comment out hahah. All excellently said

les4les · 2020-09-29T03:41:20+00:00

These two "sides" of homophobia help each other.

Exactly lol with all these freaks and narcissists being the face of the community now conservatives probably feel pretty vindicated in hating the rest of us

les4les · 2020-09-29T00:07:12+00:00

Wow I rewatched that movie yesterday haha. small world

Anyway yeah. It's a good movie. I think a lot of people don't have any idea what conversion therapy is like or how it works, it was definitely eye-opening to me (and made me feel pretty sick to my stomach lol.) The book is good as well since it's more in depth. It's the business of making young gay people hate themselves dressed up as a Bible camp and it's taken a completely different face than the horror shows I think most people would imagine

les4les · 2020-09-29T00:02:51+00:00

I loathe the Democrats, I FEAR the Republicans.

this lmao. well said

les4les · 2020-09-29T00:00:05+00:00

Yeah my school has gender neutral dorms lol Fortunately they're on a by-request-only basis

les4les · 2020-09-28T23:42:28+00:00

Yeah, getting nostalgic for "old school" homophobia isn't productive. They're just as bad, they're just less annoying because they aren't infiltrating us

les4les · 2020-09-28T23:41:04+00:00

...catgender?

les4les · 2020-09-28T23:36:18+00:00

They're eventually going to be their own ruination I just wish it weren't taking so damn long

les4les · 2020-09-28T23:16:52+00:00

Agreed, unfortunately. Don't write off the wokies too fast, a lot of gendercrits were once woke too. Sometimes it does work out to slowly discuss your way into understanding sex-based oppression and attraction

les4les · 2020-09-26T01:37:24+00:00

Have been slowly bringing this up more with people I know online who are less involved in the LGB/T communities. It's definitely been slow going (there are a lot of "live and let live" attitudes from people) but I'm glad to know that most of the people I consider my friends are at least a little bit gender critical

les4les · 2020-09-25T16:54:26+00:00

I know we're not that welcoming of radical feminist ideas in this sub but, effects of pornography on culture lmao. Kids think if they're not a deviant there's something wrong with them and they have to start making up new sexualities to explain it

les4les · 2020-09-25T00:31:02+00:00

Nobody seems to bat an eye about a single parent raising a kid and it's often seen as brave, but then those same people argue that same sex couples shouldn't be able to adopt because then the kid wouldn't have a mother and a father.

Yeah, came here to point this out. I'm sure everyone in the world can name someone whose straight parents did a horrible job raising them, but I've known several single mothers who've done a good job with their kids. Of course, single parents can face a lot of scrutiny as well, but I think that any parental situation that isn't "two married heterosexuals" is held to a very high standard.

And of course I'm not against holding parents to high standards when they're raising children, but I do wish straight couples were held to the same ones lol

les4les · 2020-09-25T00:23:28+00:00

Agreed lololol this is LGB Drop The T, not LGB Drop The T and also the L and also the G and also the B 😒 If he doesn't see value in LGB community and solidarity why bother to come here

les4les · 2020-09-25T00:00:58+00:00

Of those survey-takers, 58% favored keeping the Boystown moniker and 20% said they felt unwelcomed by the Boystown name

a majority of people wanted to keep the name but no, we can't have a smaller minority feel welcome in a community that doesn't exist for them

les4les · 2020-09-24T23:55:25+00:00

This reminds me of "demisexual" being basically a way to turn "prude" into a sexuality. Insecurity and shyness is not a sexuality!!!

les4les · 2020-09-24T03:05:27+00:00

"we wanna be bred" outright disgosting

les4les · 2020-09-22T05:15:41+00:00

scream... this is literally so funny

les4les · 2020-09-22T05:15:11+00:00

good at organizing and graphic design and (i think) writing, bad at dancing and following through on plans

les4les · 2020-09-22T05:14:06+00:00

see... good at cleaning but not good at cooking

les4les · 2020-09-20T09:10:40+00:00

I'm in it, is the gushy answer

I think it exists but is difficult to find and more difficult to maintain, is the longer answer

les4les · 2020-09-20T09:09:28+00:00

It did used to stand for Questioning once, like how A used to be for Ally. Both ways that closeted people could participate in the community without having to out themselves, now taken over by hetties who want to feel speshul

les4les · 2020-09-19T20:52:14+00:00

Ooh, Ballet Trockadero! I haven't seen them but I've seen the Mark Morris dance company, also pretty famous for putting men en pointe and in female roles/costumes in ballet

les4les · 2020-09-19T20:50:17+00:00

I hate drag, yeah. In my experience it's a very male or heterosexual female thing to like. I think that there's a place in the community for camp due to historical context but I don't like that drag is forced down everybody's throats and made such a huge deal of all the time. It is offensive to women and it baffles me to see anybody argue that it isn't

les4les · 2020-09-19T04:32:20+00:00

I agree with pretty much all of this, I have a lot of empathy for trans people and I can see most of the time that they're extremely distressed and I think they would largely benefit from psychiatric help for dysphoria. I have trans friends who I like very much. Unfortunately (as usual) an aggressive, harmful vocal minority is setting the tone for the entire community.

les4les · 2020-09-18T20:32:12+00:00

you're a lesbian? well i have a girl cock! it has erectile dysfunction. are you attracted to me now

les4les · 2020-09-18T20:30:33+00:00

Lmao truth

les4les · 2020-09-18T01:05:15+00:00

Also, I like how at the end they say something about "purposefully excluding transgender people from your idea of attraction." Yes, because my attraction is totally something I'm doing willfully, at random.

It's the same old bullshit calling homosexuality a choice!

les4les · 2020-09-18T01:04:03+00:00

I think most trans people are clockable in person even if they can "pass" well enough online

And most trans people don't have the benefit of surgeries, hormones, et cetera that help them "pass" anyway

les4les · 2020-09-18T00:42:59+00:00

there are people who will outright crowdfund "gender affirming clothes" too though lmaooo

les4les · 2020-09-18T00:23:14+00:00

Yeah it's pretty tough to be the "in between" (I'm mixed-race so I would have a slightly different experience than bisexuals would but I think there might be some commonality there)

I think bisexuals also don't network with each other, there aren't bisexual bars or clubs or groups in the same way that there are gay bars and clubs so they do end up having to choose between straight and gay spaces a lot of the time, I imagine that must feel alienating as hell

les4les · 2020-09-18T00:16:22+00:00

i feel like this is conflating our feelings about the (generally more sane) bisexuals on lgbdropthet for our feelings about ~queer community~ bisexuals (or "bisexuals")

i see more complaining in lesbian spaces than i do here fwiw

les4les · 2020-09-18T00:05:47+00:00

Thanks for this hahaha I think a lot of people on this community are getting pretty jaded but I'm glad we're all still kicking

les4les · 2020-09-17T23:49:05+00:00

LMAO so many terves are getting shadowbanned and deleted this week shit's wild

les4les · 2020-09-17T23:39:04+00:00

lmfao this is the woman going for mr. gay england 2020 or whatever the fuck

les4les · 2020-09-17T20:00:16+00:00

Yep this is me as well

The fallback of growing up gay with this new-age "gay is an aesthetic" bullshit

les4les · 2020-09-17T19:57:46+00:00

lol who woulda thought

les4les · 2020-09-15T18:53:07+00:00

yes plz!

les4les · 2020-09-14T16:01:43+00:00

This is garbage! the font for "Glossary" is nice though

edit: "limited... sexual attraction" literally everybody is asexual now, unless they have a raging boner for everything they see

les4les · 2020-09-14T15:59:24+00:00

I cannot stand this ridiculous idea that it's an extremely good thing to encourage young people to disavow or lie to their biological parents, it happens with trans organizations too and that's why you see gender clinics meeting children without telling their families first. I understand the impulse to tell children that they aren't defined by what their potentially abusive parents think of them but trans people will call anything less than full acceptance "abuse" and a lot of parents of gender-confused children really do have their children's best interests at heart when they want to put off things like surgery and hormone treatment.

As opposed to the homophobic parents of "trans" toddlers that are subjecting their gnc children to a lifetime of medical abuse and oppression lmao. Some of the fundamentalist Christians will admit outright to spanking their kids for not filling sex stereotypes

les4les · 2020-09-14T15:32:54+00:00

lmao I knew it. I'm amazed more women aren't offended by this shit, though I bet most "allies" are just suppressing that twanzmisogynist thought

les4les · 2020-09-13T21:30:10+00:00

And OP describing them as "sissy clothes" is giving me a good idea of what the dresses are like, too... I assume we've all seen the ridiculous anime schoolgirl getups some transwomen dress up in

les4les · 2020-09-13T21:21:21+00:00

les4les · 2020-09-13T01:31:21+00:00

Honestly I feel worse for gay men in this! At least there's a very slight inclination here to keep "lesbian" exclusive to women rather than letting it serve as an umbrella term for anybody who thinks they're too special and interesting to be a straightie lmao

les4les · 2020-09-12T19:38:40+00:00

If you're told that gender is something people feel, and you're a normal-ass person who doesn't feel gender, then you're nonbinary under that conceptualization.

This precisely, I think this is the definition that most young people are falling under these days. I can't honestly believe that all of them are narcissists, though certainly some of them are

les4les · 2020-09-12T02:02:09+00:00

holy fucking hell

les4les · 2020-09-12T01:57:16+00:00

I actually struggle to wrap my head around non binary as a concept.

Yeah, this was eventually what peaked me. I had female friends who identified as nonbinary as a teenager but whenever I asked them to explain or describe gender to me, it always struck me as the universal experience of being uncomfortable with femininity and misogyny

les4les · 2020-09-12T01:31:39+00:00

Agreed! I'm so glad that normies of reddit are coming through for this poor woman

les4les · 2020-09-11T05:38:15+00:00

Yeah they could really show an ounce of respect toward Edith Windsor lmfao

les4les · 2020-09-09T20:56:31+00:00

This is so detailed and well thought out, thank you

les4les · 2020-09-08T03:47:02+00:00

Yep, at this point my preferred flags and terms are the ones that say most clearly "I am not woke"

les4les