PenisNews is disgusted by pathetic "superstraight" trolls. Outraged in fact!

Virginia_Plain · 2021-03-14T03:53:53+00:00

The seething anger with which people have responded to #super___ is telling. They cannot stand the idea of people not being interested in them. Even the people who claim that genital preferences are fine seem to give their audience an ultimatum: no, you are not required to have sex with trans people, but you must admit that it is transphobic. You must denounce yourself to them, tell them that you have some sort character defect, and that is why you are not hooking up: because of your shortcomings. This is manipulative behavior, no ifs ands or buts.

In a lot of cases, I think it's the cluster B personality lashing out (or maybe CPTSD, which from other accounts and my own personal experience seems to have a lot of overlap with BPD symptoms). The sexual rejection is seen as such a psychic wound that must be addressed, and the rejector must either be attacked or made to apologize in some way in order to create a sense of balance; s/he must feel some sort of humiliation as well in order for the Cluster-B individual to feel at ease.

Edit: as for the number of "cis" gay men, lesbians, and bisexual people going along with attacking the supers, (such as the editors of Pink News)...that seems to be what happens with a lot of people who associate closely with those who have unchecked Cluster-B personalities. People use the term "flying monkeys" or "orbiters" to describe those who seem to be the sort of henchmen of people with narcissistic personalities. I think people become trained (often unconsciously) to make the Cluster-B sufferer's battles their own. They also realize that any perceived lack of effort on their part will put them in the cross-hairs!

Virginia_Plain · 2022-01-10T18:13:12+00:00

Oh my fucking God. More issues than a newsstand. You don't want to transition, you only want a gay man, and it has to be a gay man because if it was a bisexual or pansexual dude you'd be afraid he'd not be seeing you as a man. No fucking shit. Wish in one hand, shit in the other, see which one fills up first.

Yes, a gay dude is "off limit." I fell in love with a straight dude when I was a teenager. He is "off limit," especially now that we are both grown up and he has a wife and 2 kids. Should I have told him not to see me as a man, to "do the work on himself" (as some responders replied)?

Gender identity is about forcing you to play these head games with yourself, and then see if someone else will then play the same head game along with you for the same shitty prize.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-09-16T12:58:34+00:00

How would some of these be fixed? I'm serious, what would people seriously expect an app to do? Send overbearing pop up messages to remind users that trans people can have any genitals? Warn users that they have not responded in X minutes to a user, and repeated violations will result in a suspension?

I'm all for stopping abusive behavior, but for all the think pieces, PR campaigns, and pledges to "do better," these apps are all about whether or not that person on the other end says "yes." And that is really, really hard to influence.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-04-30T11:09:05+00:00

Have seen that mentioned on other threads, juxtaposed with how Ellen Page used to be. Even the coming out letter had this strange bitterness to it. I really wonder what happened, because this does not seem like a person finally comfortable to be in their own skin.

Virginia_Plain · 2022-10-25T05:08:01+00:00

Oh look, a trans person with contempt for the people she is trying to have sex with.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-12-24T22:15:33+00:00

A lot of these people really do think gay men are all effete urban professionals with rich daddies (biological or sugar). I was gay and homeless. I'm curious if that makes me less queer than a straight homeless person. You know, because homonormativity.

I also think there is a perception of "homonormativity" if you live in or around big cities like DC or New York. I'm not saying that it's a treacherous hinterland of homophobic savages everywhere else, but you can see that a lot of bigger, more liberal cities go out of their way to cater to LGBT people, so it can give you a very skewed perspective as to how accepted it really is in the wider society.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-12-20T16:40:09+00:00

I remember years ago being on the Joe My God website, like in the early 2010s, and there was a guy being dismissed as a troll for saying that there were queer theory people who didn't like the idea of gay men, and wanted everything to be about gender. "They don't think you are a man, you are a genderqueer two-spirit who needs hormones," something like that.

In retrospect, he was the dazed looking man who runs into town at the beginning of the horror movie warning us that they were coming, and we were the weary diner patrons who told him to go home, that he was drunk. Later, as the restaurant is closing, one of the waiters notices a strange noise out by the dumpsters as he is taking out the trash, and goes to investigate....

Virginia_Plain · 2021-12-12T03:52:14+00:00

They straight because they aren't babbling about how they are a polyamorous queer kinky couple: Chasten (He/They) is a genderfluid Cancerian dom/switch who likes making pies and other vegan treats, sewing, crafting, and abolishing the prison industrial complex, but also being a cat parent to their two fur babies, Pumpkin and Gertie, while Pete (They for now, but leaning heavily into Fae/She as they explore their identity...is unofficially going by Petra now, so if you call them that, you'll probably get a free reiki sesh out of it ;-) ) is a grey-ace Sagittarius/Capricorn cusp who likes biking, juggling, tarot cards, smashing fascists' heads, and herb gardening.

They are looking for a third roommate, please respond with a brief bio about yourself, your living goals, and what you are looking for in a housing situation. Must be LGBTQ+ positive, must be committed to issues of gender liberation, QTBIPOC liberation, anti-capitalism, and non-hierarchical, non-patriarchal societal structures. A link to your social media profiles would be helpful too. Priority given to QTBIPOC applicants. No cops, no fascists, and no one who uses fragrances (Chasten is fragrance sensitive!)

Virginia_Plain · 2021-03-09T00:05:23+00:00

OK, so there is practically a multi-volume rulebook on things I am supposed to do to avoid triggering someone's dysphoria, but any misgivings I have about getting naked and physically intimate with someone need to be just pushed deep down? And I am the one with a victim complex?

Virginia_Plain · 2021-04-01T04:03:31+00:00

It's a tough lesson, but people need to see why you don't play along with control freaks. It's unpleasant to deal with the fallout, especially if they've habituated you to going along with whatever they tell you to do. Gina Carano, anti-mask Trumpist though she was, held strong from the beginning, and I admire that.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-09-13T14:42:30+00:00

Always alternating between "why can't cis queers work through their transphobia?" and "the real question is who doesn't have trans partners LMAO???? Like, every cis dude I meet is inundated with trans/nb masc folx!"

Edit: And another thing. More anecdotal than scientific, but for all the talk about trans people on Grinder taking up space or whatever...I use another similar app. I've lived in a few areas with large LGBT populations, and the FTM people who do show up on my grid (including a few I know IRL!) don't tend to stick around long. They stop showing up, while all the other profiles, even the obnoxious/hideous ones, are in it for the long haul. Make of that what you will. My personal approach is "do not interact" for trans people on hookup apps, so I doubt I've been blocked or something.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-02-24T21:26:41+00:00

I think that bisexuality is one of the most misunderstood and underrepresented sexualities out there, so it does not surprise me to see such a big jump in people "identifying" as it.

I think it bi people have been lumped in with "gay" or "lesbian" too often, and does not really represent some people's true orientations. I also think that is where a lot of "I thought I was lesbian/straight/gay but actually sexuality is fluid" rhetoric comes from. I did notice some real animosity towards bisexual people from gay people in the late 1990s, when I was a teenager coming to terms with my sexuality. This may have put some bi people in the closet, feeling that they must decide to be only into men or women.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-10-04T12:11:44+00:00

Yeah those lesbian separatist communes were total sausagefests.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-08-31T01:56:02+00:00

Yes, a lot of it smacks of "I thought you people were supposed to be open-minded."

Open-mindedness has sadly been perverted to mean "up for anything." I see it more as realizing that other people may have perspectives and needs that are different from your own and that you should not (within reason) bother others about it.

Gay and lesbian people are being bothered about it, and what I think is tragic is the self-criticism confessionals in which people prattle on about all the soul-searching they did to "overcome" whatever it was that made them uninterested in sleeping with a transwoman. If you are having to do that much work to make yourself interested, that should tell you something.

Someone else posted a video (either here or on one of the TERF blogs I follow, the inimitable Appropriately Inappropriate) of a lesbian woman saying something along the lines of "people are telling you to work on accepting everyone else, except yourself," and that connected with me. People are absolutely terrified of not being 100% accommodating to everyone, of not being an "ally," so terrified that they don't stop to ask themselves questions like "is this the kind of thing I would demand of someone else?"

Allyship should be a two-way street, but a lot of it is stated in terms of "you shut the hell up and do as I say." It's a synonym for "doormat." There is such a simpering codependency I see in many who do the ally thing. And the moment you say no, it does not matter what you've gone along with before, you are just as bad as the people who've done nothing at all.

Virginia_Plain · 2022-03-13T18:23:19+00:00

J.K. Rowling's ability to wind people up into a frenzy gives me suspicion that she actually does have magic powers. I was watching some video critique of her series (in addition to transphobia, she is also a pro-slavery fascist, apparently) and as usual the comment section was a fun fair. The fact that Hogwart's didn't have a program that provided free wands for students, forcing Ron to deal with a malfunctioning wand in one of the books, was indicative of the fact that J.K. Rowling believes schools should not provide aid to the poor and she wants the rich and powerful to be able to trod upon them.

Virginia_Plain · 2022-01-31T13:13:20+00:00

This is the "coming for the straights" strategy. There have been articles saying that the reason black men kill black trans women is because the black women who are their wives/girlfriends aren't accepting of their boyfriends' interest in trans women. The boyfriends kill the trans women because they are so terrified of these evil, mean black cis women finding out. Therefore, it is up to these women to allow their boyfriends to explore their sexuality in a judgment free environment. IT COULD SAVE A LIFE. I'm serious, this is the argument.

Virginia_Plain · 2022-01-29T02:03:10+00:00

Dear god, sometimes the titles of these posts exaggerate the awfulness of what's being said, but the "it's my dick, it's a part of me, it is not a dildo" sounds like something Winston would be forced to say in the climax to 1984. She needs to control his reality.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-09-17T16:23:12+00:00

The guys into FTMs are pretty dedicated about it. I have met them, but they are a pretty small subset of people, kind of like the guys who are into trans women. It's one of those sexual tastes that definitely exists, but can't really be extended to the general population.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-12-16T03:44:37+00:00

I keep thinking I'm peaked, but I remember I am on a mountain range. Should've brought more water :-(

Virginia_Plain · 2022-03-10T11:23:49+00:00

Great, then there is no problem with gay people having organizations for themselves, right?

Virginia_Plain · 2022-01-01T08:33:26+00:00

Well happy 2022 lady, eat dog shit!

Virginia_Plain · 2021-06-08T18:55:19+00:00

Love it. My lightbulb moment came when I was being lectured on something like this, and realized that this woman had no interest at all in whether what she was asking was appropriate or reasonable for gay men. It was not delivered in the form of a question ("have you ever thought of..."), but a demand: overcome your bigotry! Do as I say! There was no interest in who I was or what I was about, just that I needed to get with her FTM friend to suit her.

Why would I want to be in the good graces of someone like that?

People like Bob seem to like all sorts of people, being a pansexual and all. Good for him. But if someone needs to do soul-searching and "unpacking" ( which is wokenese for "changing," as I doubt people would gracefully accept any other result), in order to be attracted to someone, it is not in their interest.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-03-16T22:17:33+00:00

I'm saddened by the medicalization of so many aspects of childhood. First ADD meds now this. Some of it is well-intentioned parents, who are afraid that they will drive their child to suicide if they don't recognize the "signs" of a transgender child early (but you know what the road to Hell is paved with). On the other hand, it looks like this is the next step of the ADD/ADHD child craze, which I was a part of in the 90s: I was put on a variety of stimulants and depression/anxiety meds starting around third grade, and there seemed to be more and more kids in my school who were on some sort of medication. The process of weaning myself off of them in adulthood was difficult, but ultimately worth it.

This stuff is far worse, with much more possibility of causing permanent damage to kids, all in the name of "progress." Let your male kids love sparkly things and idolize Nancy Drew (like I did!). Let your girls love rolling around in the dirt and playing with trucks (which I also did with my tomboy friends). Don't diagnose away the diversity of kids' interests and personalities. THAT is real diversity, not medically corralling them into a lifetime of chemical dependency.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-11-14T16:34:24+00:00

I have given trans men "a look," but it was more realizing that something wasn't fitting. Even the trans men I've met who pass reasonably well are different. It has been explained to me later in some cases that this person was trans, and I thought "oh!"

This person's "expand your mind, my hole will thank you" statement at the end isn't really compelling for me. There is no motivation I am offered other than that I benefit someone who's "marginalized" in some way. I'm not interested in having sex to provide some sort of reparations.

Also, stop casually referring to the men you want to seduce as fags, it really gives away what you think of them!

Edit: And the "cis queer people have a problem with genitals" statement is probably the most fucked up thing about this. The BBC article was supposedly this fear mongering propaganda, and yet time and time again, these stories are published with the same message: you homos need to work on yourselves.

Virginia_Plain · 2023-01-14T09:46:08+00:00

Alex! You can do it! You're almost there! Keep going, keep going keepgoingkeepgoingyoucandoitaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Virginia_Plain · 2022-05-08T12:18:28+00:00

Tell me again why people are tying themselves into knots trying to appease people like this? Even the giga chads who want that hawt transman action will eventually find themselves on the wrong end of something, I guarantee it. Because trans validation is insatiable; there will always be an additional hurdle one must jump over to prove "allyship."

Virginia_Plain · 2022-04-28T00:56:42+00:00

Honestly the ones who conjugate their really fucking common pronouns (she/her/hers) irritate me even more than the neopronouns. Like, I would probably actually need a guide on how to conjugate something like fae or em, but goddamn it there is something especially patronizing about a native English speaker telling another native English speaker about the morphology of "she."

Virginia_Plain · 2022-01-10T18:36:49+00:00

I agree it is strange. The FTM boards seem to be a lot closer to "getting it," than a lot of the MTF ones. Everything is laid out, they seem to know the answers to their questions. They are able to anticipate exactly why their plans will go awry. And yet they hope for these miraculous Hollywood endings.

Edit: the one silver lining in all of this is her refusal to do surgery and hormones. When (I am an optimist) she finally works all this shit out, and does the work on herself (not gay men doing work on themselves, as some respondents suggested), she will have a lot less to regret.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-11-29T20:15:36+00:00

Well it's apparently still a rebellious statement because God damn it is pissing people off!

The gaslighting is insane, it needs to end. Good for the BBC for publishing what it did.

Every time someone makes a statement about not being open to sex with trans people, this shit goes down. There is no sufficiently "respectful" method of saying no, save for if you flagellate yourself for being an unevolved bigot. And the response is invariably "no one is pressuring you to do anything!"

I went on the top4chubs guy's Twitter (VERY NSFW!!!) and couldn't help but notice how many of the dudes he was with has penises. There were a few posts lusting after chubby FTMs, but the sex videos were noticeably devoid of vagina.

I watched it so you don't have to.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-10-07T12:05:13+00:00

It's not outdated, it just stopped being politically useful for the queer theory people.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-06-19T21:10:12+00:00

Well, then if all of these things are so irrelevant, why should programs like Medicaid cover HRT and surgery? Edit: I say this as someone who knows (and cares about) an FTM person who has gotten the hormones, the mastectomy, is going to get facial implants to masculinize her features, all under California's MediCal program. Done, done, done, with hardly a hitch.

Meanwhile, this same person is trying to get a transcranial stimulation treatment in a desperate attempt to heal a lifelong anxiety/depression condition which has left her disabled, after all the SSRIs and mood stabilizers seem to have done nothing. Which is being balked at. I am baffled at why these cosmetic procedures are being greenlighted. After the proud top surgery photos are posted, the same lingering sadness comes to the surface again. The medical industry has thrown its hat in with Team Transition, while efforts to address actual mental health are bypassed as too risky or unreliable.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-09-20T19:57:21+00:00

A lot of this boils down to wanting to be "special," and how most other people are too ignorant or stupid to see the intricate, transcendent splendor that is themself. This person and the transman from Shameless need to be fed to a cannibal tribe. Maybe that's not fair, at least this was about her not wanting to go through with something, rather than giving a condescending lecture on how your reasons for not wanting sex are a "non issue".

Virginia_Plain · 2021-08-06T15:07:57+00:00

A lot of them refer to their sex toys as "dicks" too, so when gay men say they want a dick, they respond with "I have several dicks for you to choose from, so what's the holdup?" as part of their strategy for cornering the guy. If they are hungry, I wonder if they will settle for a plastic banana.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-02-24T20:55:54+00:00

I think what's disturbing about some of the answers is that "those guys aren't worth it....FUCK THEM!!!" is either implicitly or explicitly stated in the answers. I get that rejection sucks, but does it always mean that the rejector is actually a trash-tier person?

On a level, I can sympathize with the poster. I myself have fallen in love with someone completely incompatible. A straight guy who was one of my closest friends. Realizing that he could not reciprocate that affection and attraction was not fun. But guilting him into sex would've just created a hostage situation, not a solid relationship or even a fun little fling. And yet, I did not turn on him with hostility, telling myself that he was shallow or unevolved or bigoted or whatever. That is what preserved our friendship. He's married to a woman, he has two kids, he loves them all. I could not have given that to him. That does not mean I need to take a sour grapes attitude towards him.

Edit: I also don't think that the answer is to necessarily turn on transgender people. For better or for worse, this person has transitioned, and is into men. There are definitely men who are into transmen. Great! I'm not going to begrudge an M/FTM couple if they have a spark. I do believe it is different from being a homosexual, and people need to understand that.

Virginia_Plain · 2023-02-01T13:50:06+00:00

For the last time, lesbians aren't the ones killing trans women. TERFs aren't the ones killing trans women. JK Rowling isn't killing trans women.

I wonder how bad the woman who posted the vid is going to get dogpiled, and is she going to do some mea culpa video where she goes on about educating herself and to realize all the harm she caused? I don't know why, but I think that sort of thing has passed its prime, so fingers crossed she blows it off.

Edit: lawl, he is from Richmond. Richmond scene kids sucked back in the day, and apparently they still do.

Virginia_Plain · 2022-02-10T13:15:52+00:00

So you totally understand the need for spaces "without us," (which I do too!) and also don't want there to be spaces that are just "for us." What simpering cowardice. "Our broader queer agenda," is to make gay men and lesbians dependent upon the goodwill of the other alphabets.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-06-06T20:18:59+00:00

There was a 60 Minutes special in the USA which briefly discussed detransition, and the outrage was palpable. Them.us, a "queer" publication, stated that there are not two sides to giving life-saving healthcare to people, which is ridiculous. The special wasn't even implying that transgender healthcare should be scrapped, just that there were people being improperly guided down this path. In that way, it was no different than any other investigative news segment discussing, say the overprescription of a certain medication.

For now, I think the public still knee-jerks back whenever the LGBT organizations raise a stink, but I'm reminded of the Bene Gesserit in Dune. Among their many abilities was the use of "The Voice" which would cause targets to immediately, almost unthinkingly obey any sort of command. Over time however, the Bene Gesserit found that the effectiveness of The Voice faded, and overreliance on it would render the population immune to its effects. At some point, people are going to start actually thinking about the implications of what is being asked of them, and accusing them of queerphobia for not immediately obeying will be shrugged off. Unfortunately, I think society is in for a bit of pain in the meantime. I hope that the pendulum does not swing back hard against LGB people, nor against those trans people who aren't acting maliciously.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-06-06T20:11:14+00:00

From across the Atlantic, it is very interesting to see the sudden gear-changing going on in the United Kingdom over trans issues. I think Sodha brings up good points regarding Stonewall's treatment of women and its push to chill free speech.

Something she touches on briefly, which needs to be discussed further, is the implications of an ostensible gay rights organization having redefined its mission to the point of betraying those it once served.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-02-22T18:35:16+00:00

I've been hit on by transmen. While not offended by their attraction, the answer was no and always will be. One thing that sort of clicked for me during one of these episodes was that this person was probably imitating the behavior that men had used to pressure them into sex they didn't actually want.

"I want to be a man, men do this to get what they want, so if I am a man, then this is what I must do to get what I want."

The come-ons and sexually aggressive posturing that this person were just so oddly STILTED, like when they straddled the bench next to me and leaned in really close to me asking "You ever been this close to a guy before?" This person then interjected a bunch of weird sentences about doing stuff with my dick against their clit. It didn't come across as creepy or threatening as it does in twitter posts like these ("They just are too cowardly to admit that they are INTO US!"), just more...odd. Our size difference also affected this, as I had a good 7 inches and 100 lbs on this person. My impression of this person, and the other transmen who've wanted to sexually interact with me IRL, was of a deeply disturbed person.

Not excusing rhetoric or attitudes like this, but I do think it's relevant to the conversation. Many of the FTM people I've encountered have had some seriously awful things happen to them.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-06-08T20:47:42+00:00

Until someone wants bottom surgery, then everyone must stampede to their GoFundMe before they kill themselves.

Virginia_Plain · 2023-03-19T10:04:08+00:00

I started off thinking it was a clever parody of Price is Right contestant behavior. That dance at the end was manic, creepy, and desperate. An overgrown child "doing momma's favorite dance," not understanding no one else will ever find it as delightful as she does. I wanted him to get out of the way so I could see the handsome man behind the pool table.

The entire Dylan saga is a trip to watch. I know it's been said many times before about him and other, equally ridiculous people but: damn would this ever be some top shelf performance art! But no, the gleam of madness in his eyes is too genuine.

What's interesting is that pic of Dyland and Drew Barrymore on her show, where they kneel of the floor together, clasping hands. Do grown women ever do this with each other on talk shows? It was Hollywood slumber party bullshit, I expected them to tell each others fortunes and talk about which senior boys they liked. The infantile and infantilizing behavior between Dylan and his female enablers is a thing to watch. Whether they know it or not, a lot of them act like they are dealing with someone who they see as either a child or not mentally all there. I see it in IRL situations too when women comfort trans women....there is this cooing, simpering quality that I don't see them afford others, like they are trying to dissuade a particularly fragile preschooler from crying. They subconsciously broadcast their own disbelief.

Virginia_Plain · 2022-04-01T03:26:14+00:00

I'll see your sheep Far Side and raise you a Popeye Far Side: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bf/83/71/bf8371afe398e1f662c4e8db00403819.jpg

Virginia_Plain · 2021-04-13T04:08:20+00:00

No. On some level, I think Prinx is aware of how bothersome this behavior is to a lot of people, but, as per the author who had the police called on him, I also recognize that there are people goading an unstable person to do things that aren't in her interest. The infuriating thing is the smug sanctimony of the "allies." Both gay men and women with some very serious issues to work through are being used as chess pieces in some self-righteous wokester head game.

I'm reminded of a friend with very serious alcoholism. We lived in a touristy town with lots of bars and breweries, so socialization almost always had some element of drinking involved. I came up to meet him with some friends, and he was passed out, urinating on himself. The response of everyone I met there was basically "Har har, that's [name], always partying hard." They were too obsessed with this image of themselves as open-minded people who don't dig rules to recognize a man poisoning himself to the point of unconsciousness and loss of control of his bodily functions.

Virginia_Plain · 2022-09-12T18:16:42+00:00

But there is something "forced" about it, if the only reason you're doing it is to show what an ally you are. Dating a trans man to show that you are VALID and SEEN is about on the same level as dating a woman because Momma wants GRANDBABIES.

Virginia_Plain · 2022-03-23T06:37:05+00:00

I don't hate them, I just think it's odd to think your criteria for wanting sex with someone (making sure you really like them first) is worthy of its own sexuality label.

Some people are up for it with no emotional attachment whatsoever. Others are, well, I guess "demisexual" if that's what you wanna call it. I think it observes a very real facet of some people's sex/dating lives, but I would compare it more to a personality type. I like to go to a party and sort of chill on the outer edges and have a beer before diving in to the socializing, but that's just an aspect of my personality.

Homosexuality, heterosexuality, bisexuality and asexuality (I do think it's a thing, just misrepresented, misunderstood, and inappropriately claimed) are all about which type of partner one is interested in. Demisexuality does not specify these things, but rather the manner in which you seek these partners.

Virginia_Plain · 2022-02-21T00:39:17+00:00

It's been locked last I checked, so its time is limited.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-09-18T06:00:16+00:00

I'd say the shame of discovery by others drives a significant portion of these killings. The murder, and the subsequent "I was tricked!" explanation are both methods of saving face. Not saying that there aren't people who do this stuff, it's pretty fucked up too.

This recent incident in Blacksburg, Virginia appears to involve deception elements, though in this case it was a gay (non-MTF transitioning) man posing as a woman and inviting guys over for oral sex in a dark room. as this case is underway, however, there may be more to the story.

https://brobible.com/sports/article/motives-virginia-tech-football-player-murder/

https://nypost.com/2021/06/10/virginia-tech-linebacker-isimemen-etute-accused-of-fatally-beating-man/

Virginia_Plain · 2021-08-14T14:35:41+00:00

The desire to "get back" at gay people shines through again and again. These are not people struggling with crippling anxiety over their bodies and feel "trapped" (as to whether transition is a good cure for that is another discussion). This and the "cis gays fuck 48 year olds in minivans but not trans men" person resent homosexuality and are desperate to control and humiliate gays and lesbians. These are not people looking for love. They are furiously unwilling to accept that their targets are not willing, under any circumstance, to give them sexual access.

I think of the wailing, crying spirits of ghost stories that want to drag unwitting people into the lake or whatever as parables for dealing with toxic, damaged people. Yes, there is something fundamentally sad about people who end up like that, but for the love of God, do not answer their call.

I'd like to think that there is a silent mass of people who struggle with these toxic thought patterns and free themselves, through some combination of therapy and personal growth. Others sit and fume on their blogs about not being able to capture the elusive cisgay. And others are becoming, far, far more aggressive.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-06-19T21:26:16+00:00

And the contradiction is put right out in the open too. The newsletter for the queer group I was part of had this rant about how being trans was not a medical condition at all, followed by demands that all of their HRT and other transition costs be fully funded, as they would die without them.

Virginia_Plain · 2023-04-05T13:48:34+00:00

Like sweet Jesus, you have a cochlear implant, not a spinal injury. Everyone knows deaf people can fuck.

Virginia_Plain · 2023-02-08T00:18:01+00:00

If only I were a cis lesbian, what a catch. The swing from cringey grandpa sexism to naked emotional blackmail at the end.

I like to imagine the video being acted out by Tommy Wiseau, and suddenly it becomes actually funny.

"Hi LES-byans!"

And later, post-breakup "YOURE TEARING ME APART LESBIANS"

Virginia_Plain · 2023-01-30T01:35:03+00:00

My work is trying to do everything gender neutral too. I watched this one video where a non binary woman instructed viewers to not use gendered language at all. My one takeaway was instead of "nieces and nephews" to use "niblings." I'm serious. Her entire demeanor was of a Kindergarten teacher trying to make sure everyone HAD A GREAT FIRST DAY AT CLASS, it was the most patronizing bullshit.

Niblings, my ass. You think if I go up to someone and ask if they have "niblings" they will even know what the fuck I am talking about?

I have used "they" when I legitimately don't know if I am referring to a man or woman ("Whoever was last in the breakroom, they really made a mess.") That's about it.

Overall, there is a big disconnect between the HR people and the workers.

Virginia_Plain · 2022-09-22T03:22:09+00:00

A situation like this was one of my first exposures to "gay FTM" stuff, and the early phase of my peaking. Two of my roommates got married. She transitioned after I moved out, but I was exposed to the concept of "my husband is being difficult and won't accept the fact that he has always been gay, what with my being a man and all." The hidden identity that she carried inside herself was supposed to trump all reality, meaning that even when she gave no hint of it, SHE WAS ALWAYS A MAN, and the man she was in a relationship was gay since he had willingly entered a relationship with a "man." He divorced her ass.

The final straw was her posting links to thinkpieces on trans dating being a necessary component of allyship, and watching her tear into a black FB friend, saying she "of all people" ought to know better than to say that it was wrong to tell people they were bigots for not dating a transman.

A very eye opening experience.

Virginia_Plain · 2022-04-11T00:35:09+00:00

There's probably a big, sad story about why she is this way, but I really don't care anymore. I don't know what's happened, I've just recently lost any shred of sympathy for people like this. I have mild autism. I became in love with a straight friend. I was able to figure out, despite my cognitively deficient abilities to process social situations and understand others' theories of mind, that despite my deep unhappiness he was not obligated to want me back. I also never developed the level of resentment that these people exhibit. I instead became very depressed, feeling that I would never find anyone.

Why the hell is it that a literal special ed student with a developmental disability is able to figure this shit out better than this self-described nurturer.

Virginia_Plain · 2022-03-15T16:26:38+00:00

This really is like one of those vampire myths, where the vampire can only wreak havoc if you invite him in to your house. His pleading, his arguments, his threats, his bribes; all pale in comparison to the consequences of saying yes and letting him in.

Say the lesbians don't ever unpack their "prejudiced" sexual inclinations. They keep running to that sweet, sweet organic fair trade vag, despite Count Sapphula's protestations. What do they lose? They keep getting what they've always gone for.

If they relent and let him in, well...they have already begun to condition themselves to putting his needs first, so it's not like things are going to be all peace and harmony the moment any one of them puts her foot down on something else.

Virginia_Plain · 2022-02-16T12:11:51+00:00

This whole thing makes me think of the Castle Anthrax scene from Monty Python, which was the ultimate send-up of ridiculously contrived erotica.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-12-31T03:40:45+00:00

I wonder what it must feel like to be the child confronted by this woman beaming intensely, saying that she knows what they are, that she has been watching.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-10-25T20:09:37+00:00

There are shows I don't like on Netflix. Shameless, with its infamous transman seduction scene is on there. I despise that crap, think it's homophobic as fuck. But I don't want it banned, I don't want the performers to be jobless, I don't tell my friends that I never want anything to do with them again if they watch it. I just don't watch it, and hate the fact that it's being touted as a "learning opportunity for gay men to work through their prejudice." It's a show, and not all of the characters can behave in a way that I want them to. Hell, you could even watch that scene and be uncomfortable with it, and use that discomfort to have discussions about whether it was appropriate or abusive behavior if it happened in real life. Sometimes characters' behavior needs to be problematic in fiction, and sometimes it needs to be presented in a way that generates discussion without pounding you over the head with THIS IS HOW THE WORLD MUST WORK EVOLVE OR BE TERMINATED.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-10-06T01:24:01+00:00

There is something really sad about the human condition that creates people like this. Real happiness is not in the cards. The hormones, the mastectomy, the name change, all for what? The guy that will "complete" her is someone else as broken: either a gay man who hates himself enough to push himself through it, or someone Machiavellian enough to prey on her hopes of getting a Real Live Gay in order to get an easy lay.

I'm gay. Not interested in FTM people. Don't care what level of surgery they get. Will even say some of them are good looking. But the sexual chemistry is not there. It can't be forced, and the inability to understand this is frightening. Thinkpieces in media outlets telling people to "critically examine" why they aren't interested are an absolutely fucked up mind game that benefit NO ONE in the long term. I really do wonder if there is some sort of psy-ops type thing going on, or if this is a symptom of a disintegrating society?

Virginia_Plain · 2021-06-08T22:24:59+00:00

Actually, the FTM person seemed embarrassed in this case. I consider....her....a friend actually. I was not shamed into doing anything, though I wish I wasn't so apologetic at the time. It did get me thinking though. I was very unthinkingly progressive at the time, but I realized there was something about this that did not sit right with me.

I thought back to my own experiences of being after a straight man: how unrealistic my expectations were, my disappointment in realizing that this emotionally intimate friend was not wanting to take things closer, etc. But the anger, the rage at him, was not there. I realized that it would be horrible to treat him that way, so why should I roll over for anyone who asks something like that of me?

I came to the conclusion that I was not rationalizing my prejudice, and I had every right to say no and not feel bad about it.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-03-09T00:47:34+00:00

That video was a trip! It really highlights the "imitation game" aspect that you hear about in some of those trans widow accounts. The woman must be made to feel that there is nothing, nothing at all that separates her from her trans partner (even as she must make all sorts of concessions to recognize the unqiue position her partner is in!)

"You get periods? Pfft, me too get over yourself. You felt at odds with the expectation that you'd fall in love with a guy? Girlfriend puh-leeze, take a number and get in line! If anything MY experience as a trans woman gives me even more insight into these experiences. You should be coming to ME for advice! We have some similarities, sure, but your struggles pale in comparison to mine."

Virginia_Plain · 2021-02-23T08:45:38+00:00

Not gay as in happy, but queer as in fuck you and then stop responding to your texts.

Virginia_Plain · 2022-02-15T18:09:12+00:00

If it's just like racism, then transracialism is acceptable.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-12-21T03:53:33+00:00

It's been noted that there are very common tropes in trans man names (One tweet from an FTM person that legitimately made me laugh went along the lines of "We would like to thank Elliott Page for honoring our heritage by choosing one of The Names").

Names like Finn, Noah, Eli, Oliver, are "soft" sounding names and are also trending among newborn baby boys. Aiden (and a lot of its brother names, like Jayden, Cayden, etc.) were pretty popular names in the US for a while.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-12-05T02:41:24+00:00

She tells her readers that their lack of interest can only come from a place of bigotry, ignorance, or cowardice, and then pleas that we recognize her needs, desires, and agency.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFpSar7AifU

Virginia_Plain · 2021-11-02T21:42:56+00:00

People did reflect on them. They just didn't like the answer. What I'm heartened by is the apparent uptick in people who aren't playing along with the niceness games. People have been "affirming" to a fault. It reminds me of working in the hospitality sector, with its emphasis on profuse apologies, "customer is right" attitude, and promises to make things right, go above and beyond, etc. etc. etc. So many of us are now service-sector workers, I think the attitude has begun to bleed into everyday life.

The result: Sex Karens!

Virginia_Plain · 2021-11-03T10:35:41+00:00

The lynching threats are gonna bite her in the ass. However there's been plenty of punch/shoot/burn/rape/kick/choke/stab a TERF messages over the years, so, you know...sorry to hear it, but not sorry enough to lose sleep. Weird that now, only now, do we need to have a conversation about violence.

Rowling's essay was a lot gentler with none of the bile, and people talked about wanting to bomb her and shove their dicks down her throat.

My impression of the essay was someone pushed to the edge. The timing of her being interviewed by the BBC and her writing this a few days later is probably no accident. I don't doubt for a minute that she got some heinous shit sent her way after that, maybe a lot more up close and personal than some tweet or blog post. And this was the woman who apparently inspired the Cotton Ceiling after backing out of that porn shoot. This is nearly ten years of bile, sent back in a white hot laser. She did not hold back.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-10-04T12:15:49+00:00

I'm only attracted to people who present themselves with poise and grace, so that automatically excludes Scaryfont McAnimepic.

Virginia_Plain · 2022-04-01T00:18:21+00:00

Note the T4T badge.

Virginia_Plain · 2022-02-07T18:18:50+00:00

That's rich coming from a community that has meltdowns over being called "sir" by the poor fucking guy answering the phone at Pizza Hut.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-11-29T18:00:26+00:00

Like I said on an askgaybros thread about a similar subject: Anyone could be nonbinary. There is even less criteria for being nonbinary than there is for being a trans man or trans woman, you literally just have to "identify." I have met lesbian couples where both women call themselves "they" or something else (most ridiculous was a 30-something woman who used neopronouns---something mermaid related). I really dout that calling myself "they/them/theirs" would suddenly open up this new vista where they suddenly find me a paragon of nonbinary, bearded, fat, hairy hotness.

Most of the nonbinary people I've met are recognizably male or female, and have romantic interest in other recognizably male or female people. And someone identifying as nonbinary doesn't change my sexuality, as the nonbinary people I find attractive all happen to be recognizably male.

Nico Tortorella and his wife are both performers who identify as nonbinary and pansexual. They made the rounds for their genderqueer marriage: https://people.com/style/nico-tortorella-matching-wedding-outfits-bethany-meyers/

I think he's hot, she doesn't do anything for me at all. Not bad looking, just no spark. I wonder why Bethany's genderqueer presentation and neutral pronouns don't suddenly create this huge gray area where I realize I'm attracted to "non-women."

Lesbian and gay have become pigeonholed as "scenes" someone is into.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-11-15T14:01:36+00:00

I am "born this way" as someone on the autism spectrum, but that isn't what links me to the gay community. Being gay links me to the gay community. There are some people who want "neurodivergence" to be inherently "queer," but that's crap. There are plenty of heterosexual people with autism and other conditions. Why should they suddenly be called "queer" against their will.

People are "born this way" for a lot of things.

I agree with you that the gay rights movement has built a lot of its foundation on pat sayings ("Love is Love!!!!"). Initially it was effective at getting a lot of people to come around, but it left so much open space, so much vagueness (things that queer theory people are super fond of) that it was ripe for exploitation.

Virginia_Plain · 2023-05-14T17:29:32+00:00

Sad about the depression and so forth, but I'm really curious what these "ace trans gay guys" expect. So a gay guy has to be "emotionally mature enough" to have a sexless relationship with a chronically depressed woman who calls herself a man? What would this "actual relationship" look like? Celibate gay bestie?

Virginia_Plain · 2023-01-09T00:37:48+00:00

Yes, you were sold a lie. There is a very specific subset of guys who are interested in trans men. From my own personal experience, I've found that these guys have often been in relationships with women before. Two I'm thinking of in particular have children from their previous marriages, so perhaps there was some level of genuine enjoyment that they got from sex with their wives.

I will not begrudge two people who find happiness with each other, but it is unrealistic to expect most people to want you if you are trans, that's the cold hard truth. Efforts to tell people to "educate themselves" into wanting to doesn't help either, because genuine attraction isn't something you can "educate." People either think of trans men and think "wow, hot" or they do not.

On that second note about "educating," I remember an eye-rolly conversation with an otherwise decent guy about what a profoundly feminist, intersectional thing he was doing by dating a trans man....a non-white one! Yes dude, the entire foundation of white supremacist capitalist patriarchy will come tumbling down now that your penis has entered the brown trans man. A real V for Vendetta moment! The entire tone of the conversation became stilted and preachy at that point, and was so starkly different from what had been a really engaging and fun talk over drinks at New Year's eve. He seemed to sense that me and my roommate were now just politely listening, and we then went back into talking about the merits of various goth bands.

Virginia_Plain · 2022-10-02T19:04:07+00:00

The tweets in which people whimper at what a vile bully JK's become are hilarious. She was converted to TERFery after reading stories of women being threatened with rape, assault, and murder, and then experienced those threats herself and said "fuck it, I'm in. No caving to these crazy people."

Wake me up when she threatens to chop off Ben Cohen's balls or make him eat glass.

Virginia_Plain · 2022-02-19T02:53:21+00:00

Maybe an elaborate prank she plays on them. Now that the other users are going to the gay sauna, she waits, sipping her wine like Cersei from Game of Thrones as she watches the despondent DISASTER AT GAY BATH HOUSE posts roll in.

"Yes, that's right. Cry" she husks, leaning back in her seat, hand between her thighs.

Virginia_Plain · 2022-02-16T04:54:50+00:00

Search this person's comment history. There is a post about crying in the bathroom at work after thinking the Switch Your Gender faceapp thingie gave unsatisfactory results. He is one to talk about people needing to get over shit!

Edit: Here you go, enjoy

https://www.reddit.com/r/honesttransgender/comments/rb9ccf/vent_about_face_app/

Virginia_Plain · 2021-12-25T12:33:14+00:00

I was told there would be no math.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-11-29T23:16:38+00:00

Yeah, there's a virtue signal element to it. The other guys I've met who are genuinely into FTM people (which is fine in itself) have had an "evangelical" approach (not cool). Have had conversations about sex steered towards the subject, and it's usually done pretty awkwardly and patronizingly.

Not sure what the motivation is...are they trying to make themselves feel better about sleeping with trans men, and that "real gays" should be into anyone who "identifies" as male? I've noticed that a lot of them had been in relationships with women before, so that might explain some of it.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-09-28T12:07:12+00:00

The Psychology Today site actually allows you to search for therapists in your area based on race. I hear about plenty of black people only wanting to discuss issues with other black people. I had a friend that wanted a black therapist. I know woman friends who want woman therapists. I would feel better seeing a gay male therapist, depending on what the situation was about. Some people aren't picky. More power to them.

As with dating, I honestly don't care if its racist or transphobic or misogynist or whatever to not share your intimate physical, social, or psychological side with someone. Life is too goddamn short. This whole coronavirus thing and the social isolation really drove that home for me, giving me a chance to reflect on how little I've really lived for myself. I want to make priorities about who I want in my life, and that is mainly other gay men. On the flip side, I've had to come to terms with the fact that people don't wanna deal with me because I'm white/male/cis/whatever. As long as they let me live my life in peace, I am happy to extend that same respect to them. We cannot all be friends, and the outraged shrieks from grown adults who want to micromanage every social interaction between other grown ass adults to make sure everyone is "playing nice" should be ignored.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-08-14T15:31:41+00:00

I am insulted. It was not a minivan, it was a Ford F250. For that zesty, problematic masc4masc aesthetic.

All you've got is a bad beard, a messy room, and some Witchy Vibes bullshit you ordered off Amazon.

BottomDad1976 for the win.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-06-06T17:42:58+00:00

As I learned when I pined for a heterosexual friend, no amount of wishing this or that were so is ever going to make things magically fall into place for me. I had a harsh realization that my interest in him was becoming obsessive and unhealthy, all over something that could not ever truly work.

The suspension of disbelief you'd need to not only overcome your orientation, but to act as if nothing unusual is going on! Unfortunately, this person, and probably many others like her, have disorders such as BPD which make for all sorts of magical thinking scenarios.

Virginia_Plain · 2022-05-20T12:37:29+00:00

So if people identify as animals on the inside should their partners be arrested for bestiality? And people who identify as toddlers in those "daddy/little" relationships, are their partners guilty of child molestation? And for that matter, should those people have voting rights? After all they don't identify as people who have reached the age of majority. No more driving or alcohol either.

Also, let's do away with "first woman to____" from now on, since the number of closeted transwomen throughout history have no doubt already filled that niche. From law to politics to art to even the vote itself, women have always been represented, which is something those TERFy suffragettes don't want you to know.

A big chunk of those "heterosexual" relationships throughout history were actually queer as fuck, with plenty of gay and lesbian PIV sex too, which really makes you wonder just what it was those gays were fighting for. There were plenty of men out there for them, they just refused to see them as such. This is why, at its heart, the gay rights movement was about a bunch of short sighted bigots who denied the manhood of millions of people with uteruses, callously ignoring them in favor of beings who have arbitrarily been defined by our patriarchal, racist society as "men" based on irrational, culturally biased focuses on physical characteristics.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-07-03T20:44:36+00:00

Phallo: it's got what gays crave.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-05-09T23:01:11+00:00

I think the other issue with the "branding" mentality is the idea that homophobia can only come from a right-wing, Christian viewpoint. I got into the worst kind of argument--a facebook argument--with a woman about gay mean needing to stop using their "misogyny" as an excuse for not dating trans men. Her ace in the hole to rebut me was that she was QuEeR, not some Republican Christian, and proceeded to dismiss my talk about conversion therapy as dealing with "a mean camp counselor."

People are not interested in understanding what it means to be a homosexual, just that it is dragglitterkinkyfabulousness, and they are dragglitterkinkyfabulous queers who like makeup and sex.

Virginia_Plain · 2023-02-13T03:32:45+00:00

This stuff is backfiring hardcore. The panicked landslide of videos and articles, "reviews" like this (which Wired has apparently gotten backlash for...the guy mainly reviews sex toys), stalking and harassment of people who stream the game, and on and on. It is opening a lot of eyes. And people are still just going ahead and buying the game in droves.

I'm not saying that the game's success (it is breaking records, though the year is young) is entirely a result of people giving the middle finger to naysayers, but there is a sort of Streisand effect going on with this game. The meltdowns are a mixture of hilarious and disturbing. I actually have met one such person documented on Kiwi Farms IRL. This individual has made hot takes such as "you gay men need to learn to like vagina, you are brainwashed," and has been an unpleasant ass in what few conversations I've had. I complimented an admittedly beautiful chalk drawing, and got a pretty frosty response. So I take great pleasure in seeing this person's displeasure. Crucio!

Virginia_Plain · 2022-09-21T05:11:45+00:00

I honestly wonder if they had any idea who he was.

Virginia_Plain · 2022-09-21T05:07:43+00:00

Beating up old people seems to be a recurring theme. The woman who Tara Wolf punched was a grandmother in her 60s. The "Get the L Out" contingents of lesbians that pop up at Dyke Marches and whatnot seem to be be middle aged and elderly women; they report things like having their canes snatched away. And now this.

Virginia_Plain · 2022-05-24T21:15:30+00:00

He absolutely needs to see a therapist, and I am hoping that this therapist does not coddle him. This is Silence of the Lambs shit.

Virginia_Plain · 2022-03-27T22:52:52+00:00

Yeah, one of my IRL friends is on a major, almost daily tirade against anything JKR related, including that game. Fandoms in general have wanted their franchises to represent "progress," and they deeply identify with them. The number of 30-somethings identifying as Gryffindors before TERFgate was unbelievable. I've been getting lots of news feeds in my Facebook related to her. John Waters says she is the only person in the world he thinks should be cancelled. So many people to think of John, and you go for the one whose essay could basically be summed up as "I think people need to realize there are differences between bio women and trans women, and we need to come up with a system that protects both while recognizing these differences."

She is also being pilloried as "just like Putin" after he compared himself to her. Out magazine characterized her tweet decrying him as her "scrambling to distance herself from a murderous dictator," which is yellow journalism at its lowest.

Virginia_Plain · 2022-03-03T04:15:10+00:00

A lot of that had to be said, and it was a long time coming. For it to be in Gawker as opposed to something people have easily smeared "alt right" (e.g. Quillette) is significant.

The demands of the Alphabet People are beginning to wear on others, it's showing in more and more places.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-11-30T18:57:39+00:00

Bailey is awesome. I'm from the US, but a lot of the most organized action seems to be coming from England. Good for her, and I love the spine that she and others have shown. To be tarred as a far-right white supremacist is one of the most fucked up accusations you could make toward a black lesbian.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-09-25T01:08:52+00:00

I hope this is fake. If this woman is any way disciplined, she would be able to successfully sue for sexual harassment: professional retaliation for turning down someone's advances is illegal. I am curious how many people have/will try this in the future, trying to get co-workers fired under the guise of "discrimination." Will there be employers who take the bait? And will there be judges who rule that there is, in fact, a hostile work environment created by someone not wanting to date due to gender identity, race, or some other factor, something which trumps another person's ability to say no?

Edit: This might sound hyberbolic, but I remember reading an article about racial preferences on dating apps which stated that the "intimate sphere" was a "frontier" in civil rights. The trans movement is playing footsie with the idea of putting it out in public that it is wrong to discriminate based on trans status, only to walk it back with "no one is asking that, you are insane!" when called on it. There is going to be a mainstream, widely observed incident where it is put forward boldly and unapologetically. I am sure of it.

Virginia_Plain · 2023-01-02T21:34:50+00:00

Of all the things that would create this culture of fear, it's saying the guy in the wig is a guy.

Virginia_Plain · 2022-11-03T02:19:46+00:00

I really wish the "Radical Trans Feminism" website's essay on taking everyone's relative oppression into account when dating was still up. It really did provide very good insight not only into the "Cotton Ceiling" discussion, but a lot of the modern discourse that aims to make dating an intersectional hellscape. It was something entitled "Dating Along the Oppression Scale" or something like that, and it was brought to my attention on reddit, in the pre-purge days. Long story short, those with certain "privileges" had a moral responsibility to give sexual access to those who had less privilege. This was stated as a REQUEST or a DEMAND (in caps lock, really), depending on whether the author was talking to men or women, cis people or trans people, etc.

Why t4t but not cis4cis? In a nutshell, because cis people have privilege, and that must be destroyed. This thing really is some Cultural Revolution shit, where they are going after "class enemies." Sexual boundaries are seen as a means of power maintenance, and therefore something that "class enemies" should not have. Yes, there are differences between this and what happened in China (or the Soviet Union, for that matter), but I do think there is a similar mindset.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-08-16T17:34:58+00:00

The workbooks look like something you'd give to an elementary school student, don't they? In general, I've noticed the infantilization of how people under 40 are addressed. There was a notorious "c-nts for f-gs" event held at the queer spirit festival, and someone on another board noted how the woman running the conference used bizzarely age-inappropriate language to discuss vaginas with adult gay men: "i'm here to teach you about INNIE parts tee-hee-hee," that kind of crap.

This attitude to come up in other "FTM wants gay man" discussions too, as if gay men are special needs children in adult bodies that need to be retrained. It really isn't that much different from some of the straight women I've met who talk to gay men in a weird baby voice.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-06-08T22:55:53+00:00

Yes. While I consider myself "leftish" my dealings with frankly childish people has soured my outlook on the radical fringe people. What really drove the nail in was the constant demands that I find money to donate to them. I did physically demanding warehouse work 50 hours a week. They clearly saw the work as beneath them when I talked about it....and yet after I came home from this degrading job I was supposed to parcel out my spare cash for someone's "reparations car." Meanwhile, my own vehicle was a 14 year old Corolla with a check engine light and in need of a new clock spring.

I would constantly hear about some of these people going to New Orleans, the Bay area, even Puerto Vallarta, Mexico. Their facebook feeds showed them in exotic outfits in warehouse parties and raves held in the woods. I mean, I got to dress weird and do drugs too sometimes, but when I could get a weekend off and save up a few bucks for that bag of mushrooms.

But there was a strange disconnect between this anarcho-communist, gender smashing presentation and the sheer cost of what they did, and it didn't add up. I felt suckered. "Twas a grift, my dear warrior.

Virginia_Plain · 2021-06-08T22:10:46+00:00

That's the most frustrating thing about all this. I think there is definitely room for trans people in society, but everything is cast in terms of people ceding ground on very personal boundaries. There are trans people I've met who are "t4t" and feel that they'd be best off with someone who understands their dysphoria. That is perfectly rational.

I'd like for a society where people can be open about things like transitioning and LGB identity, and for everyone involved to state their desires without fearing for their livelihood (or lives). But these sorts of demands are cruel, and do not give anyone (not even the trans person) an opportunity for a happy, fulfilling relationship.

Virginia_Plain · 2023-09-12T12:35:47+00:00

That and the guy in the beginning who said gay people shouldn't consider themselves as part of the same community as queer/trans folx.....because we haven't worked hard enough to deserve such an honor!

Was nice to see that one guy bat down the Marsha P's Brick of Freedom myth. I once again am fascinated by how certain events become canonized as history, such as Columbus needing to convince the Spanish that the world was round, or George Washington owning up to chopping his father's cherry tree.

Virginia_Plain · 2023-02-07T11:05:26+00:00

Eat meat? MUST BE A CANNIBAL THEN HUH.

They had something called "Poe's Law," where it became difficult to tell between trolls and genuine belief on forums, and a lot of queer ideology really does follow that. Considering that Katie Montgomery's presentation referred to "same sex attraction" as a dogwhistle for fascist beliefs, I would not be surprised to see accusations like this more often.

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