Lil Nas X triggers them again lol by Hannibalboy93 in LGBDropTheT

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or someone Machiavellian enough to prey on her hopes of getting a Real Live Gay in order to get an easy lay.

There's also a third option: going full t4t and consuming lots and lots of concentrated cope, as MtFs already do.

Will even say some of them are good looking.

These are the ones who age the worst.

It's relatively easy for a FtM who gives a shit to look like a "soft boi" until their 30s, the magical age where they transition again to the full butch lesbian aesthetic.

Woman masturbates in front of gay men in a bathhouse by CaptainMoose in LGBDropTheT

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Always. Always ALWAYS ALWAYS.

Nice temper tantrum there!

Me, ME, MEEEEEEEEE

Well that explains that: Matt Lucas betrayed British lesbians for American money by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]Neo_Shadow_Lurker 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I believe that drag culture is poisoning the gay community.

Drag has always been a staple of gay culture, so no problem there.

You know what the problem is? The recent push to market it to kids. This isn't only an insult to drag itself, but also very fucked up to kids, who shouldn't be wearing heavy make up in their age, girls and boys alike.

What it brave about a grown man wearing make up, a dress and behaving in such an obnoxious manner?

Again, this is an inside thing.

Like men who like to roast each other to show camaraderie, drag queens like to be eccentric and catty to socialize.

Brain chemicals, ladies and gentlemen... by DickFreeBacon in LGBDropTheT

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These are the people whining about science 24/7.

Look and remember.

Grammarly has partnered with GLADD to suggest not using the word "homosexual" in users writing because it is offensive. by Criticallacitirc in LGBDropTheT

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birthing bodies'

You forgot the one and only, the classic "menstruator".

The wishful thinking of TRAs by DickFreeBacon in LGBDropTheT

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Oh, so you're offended by the truth eh?

So I'm going to reiterate it again: "transmasc" and gaydens are straight women who not only fetishize gay relationships, but also try to infiltrate gay spaces and events.

Same goes for their AGP friends and enablers.

Gender creative parenting - would you like to know more? by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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I don’t get why some parents have this underlying need to make their kids victims of bullying.

They probably want to star in some television series about bullying or something and are using their kid as an trampoline to fame.

Gender creative parenting - would you like to know more? by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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Before: "don't do this, because muh gender roles"

Now: "don't do this, because muh identity"

Yeah, history is repeating now as a farce.

Cis gay people have so much work to do by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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"Homonormativity" is not a thing. It's a made up word to pretend gays have the power to influence people with their rituals and gender as if we're some sort of religion.

They're just salty that gay and lesbian spaces prioritize homossexuality over heterosexuality.

Remember: they're narcissistic straight people after all.

That guy who's in lesbian subreddits by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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Can someone explain to me what transmasc is?

Short answer: FtMs 'soft edition', or women who don't want to commit to HRT and surgical fuckery (they know how damaging this shit can be, at least to some extent) but still wish to gain those sweet, sweet opression points to flaunt around.

That guy who's in lesbian subreddits by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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Translation: straight women trying wayyy too hard to be special.

That guy who's in lesbian subreddits by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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He's an attention whore, that's all.

How do you feel about the Netflix show "Sex Education"? (Spoilers!) by dilsency in LGBDropTheT

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If that was the intention you'd think they'd portray happy non-monogamous relationships, not characters still wanting monogamous relationships.

Maybe they just don't know how to write a show with an actually consistent theme.

Mod of various gay subreddits considers going against innate nature of his sexuality by spanishprofanity in LGBDropTheT

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If he were really into it, he would alredy have done it, let's be real.

The people who say 'I would do x' are generally the last ones who want to do x.

Also, this is reddit, the land of virtue signaling and clout chasing.

So do you want us out or keep us?! Make up your mind! by DickFreeBacon in LGBDropTheT

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“lesbians against T*RFs”?

A sign being held by an AGP...

Do I need to say more?

Mod of various gay subreddits considers going against innate nature of his sexuality by spanishprofanity in LGBDropTheT

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"I considered it."

I smell bullshit, very smelly bullshit.

Rape by deception: straight women edition. by Neo_Shadow_Lurker in LGBDropTheT

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I'd be seriously considering firing the FTM. The maturity and ethical problems going on here would be sufficient for me, at least in an at-will state, to consider termination.

If I was her boss, I would fire her for pestering me about this shit in the first place.

Like, idiot your personal relationship drama isn't my problem!

Rape by deception: straight women edition. by Neo_Shadow_Lurker in LGBDropTheT

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On a side note: wouldn't most straight women find fishy a man refraining from posting a dick pick when direcly solicited to do so? Wouldn't be this a huge red flag?

Rape by deception: straight women edition. by Neo_Shadow_Lurker in LGBDropTheT

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If an actual man did this he would be recognized as a sex pest and a pathetic laughing stock.

Rape by deception: straight women edition. by Neo_Shadow_Lurker in LGBDropTheT

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Why in the fuck would you screenshot proof of raping a coworker and then send it to your boss?

Clout chasing and ~validation~.

There's also the possibility of this being a fanfic, this or the author is an utter moron.

Rape by deception: straight women edition. by Neo_Shadow_Lurker in LGBDropTheT

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It’s fucking hilarious she sent her boss screenshots from a personal account she’s not supposed to be logged into that give receipts of her catfishing and raping a woman.

It's not like this can backfire spectacularly...

"You see, I not only raped, but also stalked the shit out of her as well. I'm the victim, me and no one else!"

Rape by deception: straight women edition. by Neo_Shadow_Lurker in LGBDropTheT

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“I took screenshots and sent them to my boss".

"Boss, the woman I catfished told me to fuck off, can you fire her plisss?"

"How is that my problem?"

"Reeeeeeeeeeeeee"

Rape by deception: straight women edition. by Neo_Shadow_Lurker in LGBDropTheT

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Notice the 'I'm going to report it to the manager boss' routine displayed here.

She might ~identify~ as a man, but still acts like a Karen stereotype.

Also this smells like a fanfic.

How interesting!

Same-sex attraction is a homophobic dogwhistle 🤡 by DickFreeBacon in LGBDropTheT

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I hate fetishists in perma-drag

Drag actually requires effort

Yep, this sure sounds right... by DickFreeBacon in LGBDropTheT

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Wait until these people discover that chasers are a laughing stock amongst straight men and women alike, just wait.

Protip: straight men are going to laught at you for saying that you like to suck your "girlfriend's" penis.

Same-sex attraction is a homophobic dogwhistle 🤡 by DickFreeBacon in LGBDropTheT

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"The term same-sex attracted is homophobic" says the AGP male and the yaoi-sick female, neither of who are gay or lesbian.

What’s a bit of experimenting on kids between gay doctors? by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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I am baffled. What?? That's a thing that can happen???

We don't know.

The effects of puberty blockers are mostly a mystery, so 'trans kids' are literally being used as test subjects.

More drag, more cis crap, more "queer history" by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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Yes, we all need to worship and be grateful to AGP fetishists who only came (pun fully intended) to be in a widespread way in the last 5 years.

The gays and lesbian who have been out and active players since last century are nothing in comparison to the spinning skirt brigade!

/s

New season of 'Sex Education' - a.k.a. spicy straight girl won't date a straight guy, because he's not 'queer' (whatever that means anymore...) by DickFreeBacon in LGBDropTheT

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Netflix has so much LGBT pandering.

The subscription model they operate with means that individual shows don't have to display a consistent level of quality, that is, as long as a few high return one exist to pay for them.

This means they can pump out as much woke garbage they want without having to consider ratings... to a certain extent, at least.

More info about the Bell appeal by HelloMomo in LGBDropTheT

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Where the High Court took on the role of protecting children, the Court of Appeal left the question of any harm done to a child to clinical negligence actions after the fact of treatment.

This doesn't make any sense!

In this case, the harm done was a direct result of the treatment itself, not a matter of negligence or lack thereof. The changes resulting from testosterone use on females are permanent no matter which voodoo the gender therapist pulls of their ass (it's always good to remember that transgender treatment in general is more ideology than science).

Lou Sullivan: A Role Model For "Gay" Transmen by motss-pb in LGBDropTheT

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Shit like this only solidifies my disgust and contempt for these Aideens, who manage to be even worse than bug chasers: at least the former don't paint their fetish as a main component of being gay.

Aideens and Transbians: two sides of a disgusting, homophobic coin.

Sailing Straight by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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The entire zeitgeist of the LGBT movement currently is just people mad that people won't fuck them.

I didn't know the modern LGBT movement was part of the Incel one.

Good to know!

Conversation I had with my boyfriend that started after a NB tiktok he sent to me. Opinions? by ppja1995 in LGBDropTheT

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If he cares more about pleasing wokester idiots who he (probably) doesn't even know personally over a loved one, then I would argue it's time for you to break up with him.

It's for the better.

Rape by deception: now targeted towards straight people. This is going to end well... by Neo_Shadow_Lurker in LGBDropTheT

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Blanchard Bailey touches on this specific subject in The Boy Man who would be Queen.

Thanks, got a little confused there!

"Gay men having a fetish for men." Really?

No men, straight men specifically.

Yes, some gay men do fetishise straight men, this is a very unconfortable thing for some to admit.

Some see seducing a straight man as a challenge, with the main catch being the supposed inaccessibility which comes with a them being straight.

This can reach very fucked up levels in some cases, as these types tend to threat fellow gay men like shit while fetishing straight men.

PIV sex with cis gay guys? They Love it! by Criticallacitirc in LGBDropTheT

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They're lying lol

MtFs also pull this shit, be HSTS who lost all of their dating prospects after transitioning or AGPs who women don't want to even look at.

I don't doubt these FtMs are t4t/r4chaser and don't want to admit it.

PIV sex with cis gay guys? They Love it! by Criticallacitirc in LGBDropTheT

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I also have seen, at least online, transwomen saying they only liked guys before transition and then started to like women

Actual women or fellow MtFs? There's a huge difference there.

The ones who pull this shit are usually t4t who upon transitioning lost all of their dating prospects. This "I'm a lesbian now" is just cope for the fact no men wants them.

Rape by deception: now targeted towards straight people. This is going to end well... by Neo_Shadow_Lurker in LGBDropTheT

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Do you have a source or some reading material about this?

Blanchard touches on this specific subject in The Boy who would be Queen, it's just that people tend to focus on the 'AGP' part of book and not the HSTS one.

The Court of Appeal has overturned Kiera Bell's ruling by HelloMomo in LGBDropTheT

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Interesting to know, so the precedent being set is kids are barred from circumventing parental consent from any surgical procedure they can't fully understand, with medical transitioning being one of those.

No problem here then!

The Court of Appeal has overturned Kiera Bell's ruling by HelloMomo in LGBDropTheT

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I heard there's a precedent factor here, which in the way the ruling was done, would end up affecting not only hormone blockers and transition procedures, but also other health care interventions to kids.

Could someone clarify if this is the case?

Rape by deception: now targeted towards straight people. This is going to end well... by Neo_Shadow_Lurker in LGBDropTheT

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Why would they advocate for raping straight men when it's very likely going to end in violence or even murder as a result?

Coombrain.

They're so fixated on getting ~validation~ that they end up ignoring their own better judgement.

It's important to adress that many HSTS have a fetish on straight men, so that's another little fact applicable to them.

PIV sex with cis gay guys? They Love it! by Criticallacitirc in LGBDropTheT

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Why does it have to be "cis gay men",

Muh validation!!!!!

There, that's why.

See also: fetish.

Rape by deception: now targeted towards straight people. This is going to end well... by Neo_Shadow_Lurker in LGBDropTheT

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Interestingly enough, the ones who kill MtFs the most in such cases are 'proto-chasers', not average straight men who have been duped.

What most straight men do when faced with a MtF is very similar to what most of us would do: turn tail and bolt. On the other hand, these proto-chasers will not only stay, but have multiple intimate enconters with them, gaslighting themselves that they're having straight sex until they go nuts and kill the MtF.

PIV sex with cis gay guys? They Love it! by Criticallacitirc in LGBDropTheT

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It might be related to AAP, as AGP men love to pull this shit too.

PIV sex with cis gay guys? They Love it! by Criticallacitirc in LGBDropTheT

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The guys into FTMs are pretty dedicated about it.

Fetishists in general are pretty obsessed about the thing they fetishise, it's quite bizarre to witness.

PIV sex with cis gay guys? They Love it! by Criticallacitirc in LGBDropTheT

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Why does she speak like an homophobic straight woman... oh wait!

Sooooo, when's the comet coming? I'm ready to leave.

I'm waiting for someone to press the reset button, we need to start over!

The ~queer~ community should stop trying to "educate the youth". Just lead by example and be a good role model. by dilsency in LGBDropTheT

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Especially after it turned out that some of the men in that choir were paedos.

Is this serious?

If this is the case, then oh my...

Warning: rape by deception on broad daylight. by Neo_Shadow_Lurker in LGBDropTheT

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The Aideen is wearing a binder in all the ads featuring her, which indicates she didn't even got the chop.

From what I could gather she doesn't even fully identify as a man either, being one of those 'transmascs' we all know and love. /s

Warning: rape by deception on broad daylight. by Neo_Shadow_Lurker in LGBDropTheT

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Interesting suggestion, but when they made their NSFW shoot she was nowhere to be found.

Take that as you will.

Sunday - I'm 73 years but my new breasts are only 19 days old. by censorshipment in LGBDropTheT

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This guy doesn't sound like a creepy old men at all, nope!

How many lives has Judith Butler ruined? by JulienMayfair in LGBDropTheT

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And, "LGBTQ+" circles include the entirety of social media that is dominated by "Queer Theory". You know, Tumblr? Reddit?

People on these platforms don't care about Butler, but about attention and clout chasing.

Most of them don't believe in gender shite because of any theory, but simply because it's trendy and it might afford them some likes/upvotes. That's it.

Her "obscure" academic theories have infected my generation of LGB people and honestly I'm sick of it lol.

Nope.

See my comment above.

Yet Stonewall, up until this past year, and HRC still, has been raking in cash from the corporations that sign up for all their "gender identity" trainings.

Stonewall UK has nothing to do with GS as an academic field or even the main players on said field. They're professional activists who are interested only in their own bottom lines.

My guess is that the degrees of students who work at corporations that do these sorts of "training" probably come from a variety of social science degrees.

Again, and...?

These are literally the bottom feeders of gender shite, not the ones making big money or enforcing legislative chance based on it.

Ain't that just the way by DickFreeBacon in LGBDropTheT

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Fujoshi to Manlet

yes, I'm a terrible person

Warning: rape by deception on broad daylight. by Neo_Shadow_Lurker in LGBDropTheT

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Now, for some context: this is part of a publicity stunt by a gay sauna, which recently made a photoshoot including a low effort Aideen in it (she was even using a binder for god's sake!)

This little material in the OP is part of said campaign, which included this little comment here highlighted in red.

Bold move, let's see if it pays off.

Oh the nonsense you'll hear - they're a lot less based and totally overrun at AskGayMen by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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I'd think older gay men would be more immune to the gender woo considering the shit most gay men had to deal with coming out pre-2010s (and still do).

They're not actual older gay men, but larpers.

Also, the TRA cabal at reddit has been replacing the mods of some subs for quite a while, r/AskGayBrosOver30 included.

How many lives has Judith Butler ruined? by JulienMayfair in LGBDropTheT

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I think I would separate science from medicine here as they are not always the same thing.

But medicine is a part of science.

The difference between biology and medicine is that the former is an applied science and the latter isn't.

Medicine is supposed to be based in science, but since medicine has to straddle science and social policy, it's never been immune to social pressures.

Did you know that funding is a fundamental part of science, specially in the US?

If a certain company nudges your reaseach team to manufacture certain results by threatening to cut your funding, what would you do? That's the dillema several scientists are faced with everyday.

Take, for example, the disaster of the "fat makes you fat" approach to nutrition, which we now know was hardly based in science at all and ended up just making people fatter by replacing fat with sugar.

Which was based entirety on manufactured studies by labs and research teams with ties to certain corporations.

The vision that the only things between science and it's conclusions are scientists and the evidence is very naive.

How many lives has Judith Butler ruined? by JulienMayfair in LGBDropTheT

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They're not obscure in "LGBTQ+" circles, though.

And...?

How many wokesters you know have actualy read any of her work? You think they care about a rather obscure academic theory?

It's the same reason why people these days will name and talk billionaires they've never heard of, who own giant corporations that influence our daily decisions. Just because we didn't know their names doesn't mean they aren't extremely relevant to talk about.

The difference is that millionaires have actually the money and influence to disrupt the flow of politics.

Let's be real here: Gender Studies is a barely funded academic field. Hell, people joke about GS graduates working on dead-end jobs all the time, so you really think they have actual power to influence politics? That's quite a paradox.

All actors who should be kept in mind, I agree. But I still think it's entirely reasonable to angry at Butler as well.

The problem is that people here focus way too much on Butler and way too little on the medical and legal industries and their role in the mess we are today.

It's easy to dunk on a single person, but way harder to do the same to institutions who do not have a tangible face.

And the fact is, almost nobody (outside of this sub) seems to realize or acknowledge how homophobic and otherwise messed up "Queer Theory" is.

It's because almost anyone really cares about Queer Theory.

How many lives has Judith Butler ruined? by JulienMayfair in LGBDropTheT

[–]Neo_Shadow_Lurker 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

She had major academic celebrity status, and it's clear now as it was then that she wanted to replace biological sex with gender.

In Butler's theory gender and sex are different things, which makes sense considering her framing.

The thing is: does she and her groupies were the ones directly responsible in changing the DSM V and baking transgenderism into law? I don't think so: she and her fellow gender theorists arrived late to this party.

There were a lot of postmodern theorists questioning science as a discipline back then, with a lot of it actually coming from branches of feminism.

One thing you're not getting is that 'science' is also responsible for our current situation.

Many psychologists and surgeons were in the forefront to this mess, as transgender surgeries mean a very lucrative market, full of healthy people who will be hooked on medical treatment for life, all with very little accountability and risk on their part.

The only countries pushing back on this have public funded health systems, which translates to government accountability, as happened in the Keira Bell case.

How many lives has Judith Butler ruined? by JulienMayfair in LGBDropTheT

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Could not agree more. It enrages me to see the damage that this one individual has brought upon generations of LGB people.

I going to bite here: focusing all ire on Butler and her followers is counterproductive and goes more from a need to pinpoint a individual boogeyman than anything. These are mostly obscure academics who nobody outside specifics academic fields read or give a shite about.

The ones who people here should be pointing fingers at are the medical and legal industries, also partly STEM and tech corporations.

Who were the ones going on TV in the 50s shilling proto-TRA talking points again?

Who are the ones gaining big money from surgical interventions on healthy people and case lawsuits?

Again, who are the main actors behind the erosion of women's rights? Is it Butler?

It's important ti think about these questions critically to not fall for culture war bs.

How many lives has Judith Butler ruined? by JulienMayfair in LGBDropTheT

[–]Neo_Shadow_Lurker 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But I think that's the trickle-down effect of her ideas.

How so?

The ones chilling transgenderism to the large public weren't sociologists, but the legal and medical industries. Hell, even STEM is more into this than most people might think.

These two are rarely adressed, even thought they have a way larger share of blame in this than the humanities ever had.

Sexuality means nothing anymore by DickFreeBacon in LGBDropTheT

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Bisexuals are attracted to both sexes, as are GAMPs - it just happens that GAMPs have a strong preference for women and only like a specific type of man.

I doesn't sound strange to you to consider a male who is attracted only to males who have heavily modified their bodies in order to emulate female secondary characteristics bissexual? Because it is for me.

All studies done with chasers have shown they express no attraction to males without said body modifications, zero, nada. Also, their attraction to dicks in their original context is also null.

Have you ever seen a man who is only attracted to bears and shows no sexual response to any other type of men? As we all know, preferences do exist, but they're never this extreme.

So in a 'natural' context where said surgical modifications aren't considered, they'll show zero interest in males, unlike actual bissexual men.

That's why I'm against grouping GAMPs with bissexual men: they're different in almost every way.

I just don't think a straight man is attracted to men in any context.

It's because they aren't.

You're trying to interpret the mindset of a fetishist like they're a person without a fetish.

Disassociation is a key element in a number of fetishes, which in futa fetishists manifests as the separation between primary and secondary sex characteristics.

How many lives has Judith Butler ruined? by JulienMayfair in LGBDropTheT

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There are alot more graduates of gender studies classes that help push her ideas, doing the enforcing for the tra's.

Most of the people who shield AGPs don't have any kind of academic background. They're mainly internet slacktivists who enforce their will by ganging on people on huge numbers.

Hell, most people on academic settings don't even know 'AGP' exists or how TRAs communities articulate online. For them, it's just about defending an poor 'opressed' group they have little to no real-world (or online) experience with.

How many lives has Judith Butler ruined? by JulienMayfair in LGBDropTheT

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I wonder how many people have been sent down the gender path because of Butler's seminal work in the field

Not too many.

Again, some people here tend to overestimate the influence academia has on the world.

Do you think your average AGP twitter handle knows who Judith Butler is? Are they phds on the theory of performativity, eh?

I would argue Twitter, Tumblr and Discord have wayyyy more of a role in TRA shit than Judith ever had.

Sexuality means nothing anymore by DickFreeBacon in LGBDropTheT

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The notion that a 'straight' man who is attracted to a 'trans woman who hasn't had bottom surgery' but is not bi- or homosexual is confusing to me too, and I am a man.

Unpopular opinion: they're not bissexual, they're GAMPs.

What these chasers want are futas, but because futas don't exist they go for the closest thing to it: pre-op MtFs.

It's a fetish like inflation: a fixation on a thing that's not possible on real life.

Hot lesbian take: "I actually hang out with faggots and have observed them absolutely crushing trans dude pussy" by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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PornHub is still a thing, even though is slowly dying, so that's something I guess.

Hot lesbian take: "I actually hang out with faggots and have observed them absolutely crushing trans dude pussy" by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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Oh, so that's another thing entirety.

I'm just going to say one thing: there's men who'll fuck anything, and I mean anything, ao it's no wonder content like this is a thing.

Also, Grindr is a clustefuck full of creepers, chasers, MtFs and now, FtMs. Nowdays I wouldn't even consider it a 'gay app' anymore.

Hot lesbian take: "I actually hang out with faggots and have observed them absolutely crushing trans dude pussy" by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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Point is, based on the homemade porn I've watched in 15 years... men have been more sexually inclusive of women identifying as men than women have been of men identifying as women.

They're being paid to fuck FtMs, so there's no 'inclusion' happening there.

A recent evaluation showed that trans content doesn't even account for 10% of overall porn searches made, which just goes to show how his shite is niche.

Hot lesbian take: "I actually hang out with faggots and have observed them absolutely crushing trans dude pussy" by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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What? Xtube got cancelled?

Remember the whole PornHub shit with unverified accounts uploading cp? That's the reason why xTube got nuked.

The owners of the site didn't want to pay to implement an actual moderation system, so down it goes!

Teacher asked to remove Pride Flag from his classroom and resigns instead. Story posted by a GC account. Comments praise it. Keep noticing subtle homophobia from some of these accounts. by Criticallacitirc in LGBDropTheT

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As a native Missourian, I can assure you that the teacher insisting on hanging a pride flag in Neosho is an attention stunt. (It is probably the most conservative town in a very conservative state. They tried to auction off an AR-15 at a back-to-school event a couple of years ago, if that tells you anything.) Hanging the flag there is on par with being in Portland and hanging an “All Lives Matter” sign in a classroom. You know what you’re doing and what the reaction will be. Don’t play dumb

This is like that cake case which happened a few years ago: their intention was not to simply point out discrimination but to stir up shit, so much so that professional activists and the media were involved with it since day one.

Sudden onset vagina mania - the hottest fad in gaybrodom by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]Neo_Shadow_Lurker 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Or maybe OP is a troll.

Every once in a while these types show up even in gay imageboards and, let's say, "mean" gay spaces.

They tend to be mocked for it, as they should be.

Sudden onset vagina mania - the hottest fad in gaybrodom by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]Neo_Shadow_Lurker 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Likes the vulva but feels inconvenienced by the rest of the woman it's attached to?

There's a nsme for that, and it's called f-e-t-i-s-h.

Awww look at the gay boys and the straight boys supporting each other. So cute. by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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/pol/ is for trolls, that's why it exists.

Trolls don't take themselves seriously, their pourpose is to cause chaos. The new denizens of /pol/ legitimately believe on the shit they spew and think they're the forefront of some kind of political movement, even though they're just a bunch of fat boomers posting on an internet imageboard.

The Qanon case exemplifies this better then I ever could: they took what a shitposter said as true. They fell for the equivalent of the "my father works at Nintendo" meme and invaded the capitol because of it.

I do think the principle that U.S. conservatives understand U.S. liberals better than the other way around holds true. Liberals control education and civic institutions (unions, mainline protestant churches, charity organizations, civil service positions, etc.) Most importantly, liberals have become the exclusive viewpoint represented in media. Conservatives have very little public voice or self-representation.

Yes, they do so... Inside their own bubbles.

The red states are still controled predominantly by the conservatives, reflecting conservative culture and beliefs.

What people miss in this discussion is that there's a world outside of the internet. Yes, Google and their associated companies are left wing and act upon these beliefs when they censor people, but outside of the internet there's still many places where conservatives have institutional power.

Conservatives have very little public voice or self-representation. They are the counterculture now, and have been since the second Obama administration.

How is conservatism countercultural if the people behind it today are the same career politicians which have been in power for decades now? How's this subversive in any way?

Conservatism as a whole is allergic to subversion, valuing caution, order and hierarchy. It simply can't be subversive without betraying itself.

I'm not even going to touch on the 'cultural' part of countercultural, because the catch here is obvious.

Awww look at the gay boys and the straight boys supporting each other. So cute. by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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A lot of people there now are trumpster boomers though, a key demographic shift which happened after the 2016 election.

This is why Qanon shit became so popular in the first place. The usual chan dweebs aren't the only ones to browse /pol/ anymore.

Just stop. Get help by Mermer in LGBDropTheT

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"But what about meeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!"

Is this our cue to leave yet? Seriously... by DickFreeBacon in LGBDropTheT

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Shame is not a part of pride.

It is part of woke pride though.

Like the conservatives of the past, they love to use shame to enforce social control, which really clashes with all of the pride messaging TRAs imploy into their discourse.

Is this our cue to leave yet? Seriously... by DickFreeBacon in LGBDropTheT

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The way they put same-sex attraction in scare quotes, when 1 or 2 years ago this was a perfectly standard, uncontroversial way to describe sexual orientation, even in woke circles. For the vast majority of people same and opposite sex attraction are non-controversial and easily understood.

They aren't the same activists from 30 years ago, but people who were born and grew up in ultra-liberal, upper-middle class context.

These social media warriors didn't experience the heat activists from the last century did, so they consider the most casual, non-consequence things as the pinnacle of opression.

They're bored, overpriviledged kids/infantilized adults who want to feel special without putting any effort into it.

Is this our cue to leave yet? Seriously... by DickFreeBacon in LGBDropTheT

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For them 'gay' and 'lesbian' are just aesthetics, not things rooted on material reality.

Also, the same goes for opression as well.

Awww look at the gay boys and the straight boys supporting each other. So cute. by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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I’m convinced that the further left you go the more you don’t understand the people who disagree with you.

This goes both ways: have you even been on /pol/?

These people think their political opposition are all comic book-tier super villains.

Again, this is not exclusive to one political leaning: go take a look at the right-wing propaganda from the 60s, how it paints their opposition as cartoon-tier caricatures.

Hell, the anti-drug shit was guilty of this shit as well, or you don't remember the whole "MARIJUANA, THE PLANT WITH IT'S ROOTS ON HELL" shit from around the same time?

Repackaging serious mental illness as a sexual orientation and/or gender identity by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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She's t4t and using 'cis' as a slur.

This smells like a cope, as she's a low effort FtM who's face screams "I'm going to detransition in 5 years or so".

Take that as you will.

Repackaging serious mental illness as a sexual orientation and/or gender identity by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

[–]Neo_Shadow_Lurker 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What is a twunk? How is that different from a twink?

Twunks are a little more muscled than twinks, who mostly go for a lean and thin aesthetic. Twinks are also more feminine than twunks.

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If homosexuality was normalized and accepted, men could date and have sex with other men openly and not rape young boys and force them to dress as girls because "it's not gay if he's underage"(?!??)

It's interesting how societies known to be extremely homophobic seem to have no problem with pederasty.

Two adult men fucking each other? Haram.

An adult men fucking a male kid? Sacred.

Does not compute...

I beg to differ. This is actually Malcolm Michaels Jr, a gay man. by Chunkeeguy in LGBDropTheT

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There's never anything about the details of the things MPJ did, just that he "threw the first brick", from sources from the fucking alien satellites, apparently. Cuz he himself saying that it wasn't so isn't even much proof anymore.

This discussion as a whole is pointless.

It reeks of American Exceptionalism, as it tries to paint the start of 'LGBT rights' as a US thing, even though several pro-gay movements already existed around the world.

It's pretty clear that the discourse around this whole trying to find the person 'who threw the first rock' thing just exists to validate the current change in focus of LGB associations to the T.

It's not about history or anything of the sort, but politics.

The Truth about Autogynephilia. Women’s attire was not the true object of such a man’s affections, he concluded: rather, the clothes were the means whereby a man gave life to that object, namely himself in female form. “Autogynephilia” means love of oneself as a woman. by Chipit in LGBDropTheT

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That's gyneandromorphophilia, attraction to "chicks-with-dicks," generally speaking, not autogynephilia.

Yup, I got confused with the terms there.

But then again, most GAMPs nowdays transition, so to associate the two is not as far-fetched as it once was.

Interesting thing I saw on /r/MTF: Somebody, who wasn't yet versed in the things you cannot say gave a textbook anecdote of their own autogynephilia and of course were questioning their own "transness." Some people from elsewhere swooped in and informed the poster that it was AGP and also, "just a fetish."

This literally happens everyday on r/traaaannsss

In the linked article, Philip was six years old when he tossed a coin into a fountain, wishing to be a girl. That's well before puberty. (Interesting things can happen when a child is integrating and trying to solve deep-seated desires, and take those thought processes through to adulthood--oft unexamined--when they have more cognitive capacity.)

Also consequent to that: Assuming I'm wrong, if it's just a fetish, then I think it is safe to say that at six years old, Philip was a fetishist.

A lot of kids express such desires only to grow out of it.

This could be just a coincidence or be rooted on other issues, like feeling out of place with their peers, for example.

Also, he's an unreliable narrator: this is not to say that he's completely lying, but that he could be embellishing some aspects of his infancy to sound more legit. Who knows?

I also see complex identity formation processes insofar as how people decide whether or not or even how to integrate atypical sexual interests into their sexual identity. (Or even what constitutes atypical sexual interests, homosexuality included in that division.)

The process of fetish acquisition is already well documented: the more a person engages with a certain fetish, the more likely they are of acquiring other fetishes in the process.

It's not uncommon for fetishists to try to paint their fetish in a romanticized way, which is nothing more than a way for them to gain sympathy from others.

Zoos and Pedos also love to do this shit: "You see, it's not about getting my rocks off, but love and passion". Aham...

If this was the case, then why is pedophilia linked with child abuse and zoophilia with zoosadism? How interesting...

Women "out there" vs the woman "inside." Same desire.

A "women' which is, for some reason, in some way or another, always linked with sex.

Again, how interesting...

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I may be confused by your point : You think most gay men are in fact bisexual and the the reason they don’t sleep with women is they are uncertain what to do?

No, my point is that saying gay men only want to date and have sex with other men because of inexperience with women is bullshit.

As for the gold star thing, this study suggests that 61% of gay men have never had sex with a woman: https://contexts.org/blog/sexual-orientation-versus-behavior-different-for-men-and-women/

Most of these studies base their data on samples from 1st world countries, sometimes even ultraliberal areas within these countries, where gay men and lesbians are less pressured to be in relationships with people of the opposite sex.

I wonder how would these figures look like if they were based on a more homophobic country.

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I noticed this too, he draws every FtM in the same way as a prepubescent boy.

Even the TRAs gave him shit for it, but for the wrong reasons of course...

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false: Gay men are all inexperienced bisexuals - because he is.

Only a tiny, and I mean tiny portion of gay men are 'gold star', so this point is... strange, to say the least.

The Truth about Autogynephilia. Women’s attire was not the true object of such a man’s affections, he concluded: rather, the clothes were the means whereby a man gave life to that object, namely himself in female form. “Autogynephilia” means love of oneself as a woman. by Chipit in LGBDropTheT

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Once the oppression Olympics started these other people jumped in looking for attention.

A lot of white incels like to do this: they transition in order to gain opression points to flaunt around.

Some white girls also do this for the same reason: today being a white girl on most contexts is nearly the same as being a white men, ao they cling to non-binary identities to gain some social capital in the woke circles they frequent.

The Truth about Autogynephilia. Women’s attire was not the true object of such a man’s affections, he concluded: rather, the clothes were the means whereby a man gave life to that object, namely himself in female form. “Autogynephilia” means love of oneself as a woman. by Chipit in LGBDropTheT

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It's more like a fetish than anything.

What they crave doesn't exist: they want full blown females, but with dicks. As MtFs are as close as they're going to get, they end up going for them.

This is the appeal of futanari, by the way: they aren't MtFs, but actual females, but with dicks.

In a way, it's no different to people who have a fetish for anthropomorphic animals, inflation, crushing and so on.

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This man is bisexual or heterosexual. That is not a bad thing and he should consider working on becoming comfortable with who he is.

Or even worse: he's bullshiting.

One thing I learned with being on woke circles for quite a while is that they lie, all the time. It's all about playing pretend, gaining and protecting status .

Everything feels so fake.

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Cue the FTMs who will say some cis men can't get erections or some cis men had their dicks blown off.

But the thing is, and these people seem not to get it: FtMs aren't males with ED or who had their dicks blown off (pun intended?), but females who took exogenous testosterone in order to mimick masculine secondary sex characteristics.

No surgery or hormones in the world will change that.

These girls treat gay men like they're learning a foreign language. by Criticallacitirc in LGBDropTheT

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This smells like a future suicide after she realises all of the hormones in the world won't make her happy or change who she really is.

These girls treat gay men like they're learning a foreign language. by Criticallacitirc in LGBDropTheT

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This guy said he literally cried after the encounter & is now in therapy.

Holy shit!

I feel sorry for him...

This just goes to show how TRA ideology is shit even to straight people.

These girls treat gay men like they're learning a foreign language. by Criticallacitirc in LGBDropTheT

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I think there are a good size of het men who would date a post-op trans.

Nope, just nope.

Neovaginas pale in comparison to the real thing and most straight men can clock one instantly.

I've read men praising trans for being more feminine (aka more submissive and wanting to please) than real women.

These are GAMPs, not your average straight men.

These girls treat gay men like they're learning a foreign language. by Criticallacitirc in LGBDropTheT

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This emanates that same "I just discovered that I'm a lesbian" energy from the AGPs: they're fetishists, that's just it.

These girls treat gay men like they're learning a foreign language. by Criticallacitirc in LGBDropTheT

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But I thought trans guys were literally no different to regular guys, why do you have to be taught how to emulate their behaviour? /s

There was an support group on the college I study where their whole stick was to teach masculinity to FtMs.

Yes, really.

GC Twitters criticism of Pete & Chasten Buttigiegs Adoption is getting homophobic by Criticallacitirc in LGBDropTheT

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I agree that surrogacy is not a gay rights issue, and it is wrong to cast it on that light. My rights end where another’s begin.

A poster already made this point, but it's good to reiterate: most of the people who seek surrogacy are infertile women, not gay men:

Contrary to popular belief, surrogacy is not a thing for gay people only. The Center for Surrogate Parenting shared that only 31% of the intended parents that have used its services are gay.

Sauce: https://www.mysurrogatemom.com/surrogacy-statistics/

Also note that the stats here use 'gay' as meaning 'gay men and lesbians', so there's lesbian couples into the mix.

GC Twitters criticism of Pete & Chasten Buttigiegs Adoption is getting homophobic by Criticallacitirc in LGBDropTheT

[–]Neo_Shadow_Lurker 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I said isn't as natural and seeing a newborn with two males and no female around, kind give off unnatural initial perception.

C'mon, you know why this is the case: society dumps most of the child rearing on women, so a male taking such responsability ends up feeling very off for most people.

As society's become more and more equal, these kinds of taboos will have to be addressed.

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[–]Neo_Shadow_Lurker 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's funny how most of the people who glorify single-parenthood aren't single parents themselves.

It's almost like being a single parent is a very hard thing and most of the people who end up in this situation don't do so by choice, but by necessity.

Most of the single parents I have contact with have to deal with a crushing dilema in their daily lives: either to dedicate most of their energy to work, securing some economic stability for their children, or dedicate most of their time to the kid and being led to a potentially economical tight spot.

There's no way around it: a single person cannot raplace two.

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[–]Neo_Shadow_Lurker 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I do think newborns are much better off with female parents and men raising very young children feels a bit unnatural.

This is kind of counterintuitive to the message that fathers should be involved with the lives of their children, isn't it?

Basic child rearing abilities should be a basic skill for any father worth their salt.

It's hypocritical to campaign for gender equality without upholding this principle.