Men's IssuesRape by deception: now targeted towards straight people. This is going to end well...

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[–]julesburm1891 53 insightful - 4 fun53 insightful - 3 fun54 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

So, when they’re in their own spaces and not trying to bully everyone into sex, they freely admit that neovaginas look, feel, and taste nothing like vaginas? Aight.

[–]Nani 50 insightful - 2 fun50 insightful - 1 fun51 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

They talk about the murders of transwomen this is ACTUALLY how it happens not by lesbians saying they don't want to date them...

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care[S] 34 insightful - 2 fun34 insightful - 1 fun35 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Interestingly enough, the ones who kill MtFs the most in such cases are 'proto-chasers', not average straight men who have been duped.

What most straight men do when faced with a MtF is very similar to what most of us would do: turn tail and bolt. On the other hand, these proto-chasers will not only stay, but have multiple intimate enconters with them, gaslighting themselves that they're having straight sex until they go nuts and kill the MtF.

[–]Virginia_Plain 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I'd say the shame of discovery by others drives a significant portion of these killings. The murder, and the subsequent "I was tricked!" explanation are both methods of saving face. Not saying that there aren't people who do this stuff, it's pretty fucked up too.

This recent incident in Blacksburg, Virginia appears to involve deception elements, though in this case it was a gay (non-MTF transitioning) man posing as a woman and inviting guys over for oral sex in a dark room. as this case is underway, however, there may be more to the story.

https://brobible.com/sports/article/motives-virginia-tech-football-player-murder/

https://nypost.com/2021/06/10/virginia-tech-linebacker-isimemen-etute-accused-of-fatally-beating-man/

[–]pacmanla 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'd say the shame of discovery by others drives a significant portion of these killings. The murder, and the subsequent "I was tricked!" explanation are both methods of saving face.

I agree with the poster above, tbh. As a heterosexual male, a lot of men who physically harm transwomen (males) are not "straight" men. These are sexually confused, in denial/closet, or "chasers" who are during a very high numbers of these assaults or killings if/when they do happen at all. Majority of heterosexual men know a neovagnia from a real one & other idiosyncrasies that distinguish biological females from a cosmetically enhanced male. It's hard to explain, but those inate things are there. Unfortunately a lot of these individuals work in the sex trade & these sexually confused men, or "chasers" have an internalized self hatred for their attraction to transwomen (males), so they take out their anger/frustration out on these individuals unfortunately.

These men know that these are trans individuals, & that deep down they're not heterosexual. Once the reality sets in on them sleeping with other males, they "snap". This is very unfortunate, because No one should die, because you can't be honest with yourself & just be your sexuality. This is hard for these men to do which is why you have HSTS saying "I'm not a guy man, but a straight woman". Or the men sleeping with them saying "They're women too & I'm not attracted to the male aesthetic". You have a breakdown from both sides, once reality sets in. Sorry for long post.

[–]Q-Continuum-kin 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah by the numbers murder of MtFs is very low but the vast majority of those murders that do happen are related to prostitution. I doubt a straight guy is legitimately going to be tricked into sex in a normal situation but it becomes very understandable in a prostitution situation. So this advice is most likely going to be used in that type of situation and the guys there are going to give zero shits about the wellbeing of that prostitute.

[–]JulienMayfair 40 insightful - 4 fun40 insightful - 3 fun41 insightful - 4 fun -  (1 child)

Ethics? Character? Integrity? Trust? What are those things compared to the pleasures of tricking someone into sex?

[–]iamonlyoneman 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

To be fair, your starting point for trust and character here are people who want to have sex before getting to know literally the basics about their fuckbuddy. It's a pretty low bar already.

[–]GoValidateYourselfuseful lesbian 41 insightful - 1 fun41 insightful - 0 fun42 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Holy shit that advice is so dangerous...if they don't care about their partner's consent they should at least think about their own safety before pulling something so dangerous and risky. This bad advice could get a transwoman killed.

To anyone hate-reading this sub: regardless of what you've heard, we DO NOT want trans people to get killed or harmed. DO NOT EVER TAKE THAT PERSON'S ADVICE!

[–]pacmanla 36 insightful - 1 fun36 insightful - 0 fun37 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is rape, I don't care what anyone say otherwise. This is also why "hookup" culture is pretty much dead, imo. You need to make sure that the person is the sex they actually are & not some "presentation" of said sex.

The picture of the O.P. or the person giving the answer is definitely a male & isn't fooling anyone. This is essentially trans "rights" in a nutshell.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 32 insightful - 1 fun32 insightful - 0 fun33 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Then they complain of men gettng mad and killing them out of rage. Sex with a man is probably the biggest violation for an hetero dude.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 31 insightful - 1 fun31 insightful - 0 fun32 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This won’t end well for them. But these people have built up enough arrogance and self-importance from all these years of getting away with harassing homosexuals and bisexuals that they think they can seduce heterosexual men. Obviously, the type of men who will fall for it at first will also be the same type of men who lash out due to low impulse control. And TRAs will play the victims as they always do.

[–][deleted] 26 insightful - 1 fun26 insightful - 0 fun27 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Why would they advocate for raping straight men when it's very likely going to end in violence or even murder as a result? I thought they wanted to protect the poor innocent trans women, but then they advocate for being rapists and putting themselves in unnecessary danger. WTF.

I have no sympathy for people who get themselves hurt while committing rape.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care[S] 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Why would they advocate for raping straight men when it's very likely going to end in violence or even murder as a result?

Coombrain.

They're so fixated on getting ~validation~ that they end up ignoring their own better judgement.

It's important to adress that many HSTS have a fetish on straight men, so that's another little fact applicable to them.

[–]reluctant_commenter 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

It's important to adress that many HSTS have a fetish on straight men

Do you have a source or some reading material about this? I'd be curious to learn more. It does kinda seem like a difficult side effect to deal with after transitioning (presumably because of gender dysphoria)-- they'd have to either be content with chasers, with gay men who may not validate their trans identity, or try to persuade/pressure straight men, I guess.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Do you have a source or some reading material about this?

Blanchard touches on this specific subject in The Boy who would be Queen, it's just that people tend to focus on the 'AGP' part of book and not the HSTS one.

[–][deleted] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Blanchard Bailey touches on this specific subject in The Boy Man who would be Queen.

many HSTS have a fetish on straight men

Not quite. They don't want to long-term partner with gay men on account of: if their partner is a gay man, then they're male, because gay men like men. They have a gender identity of female, so there's the conflict. Thus why they want straight men, because straight men want women, and they believe themselves to be or wish to be women.

Bailey never said that HSTS transition for the purpose of bedding straight men--that's something that the trifecta cabal accused him of. Dreger documented this; you can read her book Galileo's Middle Finger or her article in Archives of Sexual Behavior on it. You're brushing up on the trans Bailey-ad-hominem talking point.

"Gay men having a fetish for men." Really?

Same sort of reason why AGP pursue sex with men. They don't really care for the men, but having sex with men is something stereotypically female, so it's up for AGP grabs. Blanchard called that "pseudobisexuality." I don't think Blanchard was trying to work on a new typology in that regard (I'm sure he has one that he's not sharing,) just pointing out that he does not consider it to be bisexuality. In the case of HSTS, the men are the erotic locus, irrespective of the transsexualism, not an abstract concept of female that's validated by an activity of sex.

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Blanchard Bailey touches on this specific subject in The Boy Man who would be Queen.

Thanks, got a little confused there!

"Gay men having a fetish for men." Really?

No men, straight men specifically.

Yes, some gay men do fetishise straight men, this is a very unconfortable thing for some to admit.

Some see seducing a straight man as a challenge, with the main catch being the supposed inaccessibility which comes with a them being straight.

This can reach very fucked up levels in some cases, as these types tend to threat fellow gay men like shit while fetishing straight men.

[–]totallyathrowaway87 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This reads like a hetero prostitute who REALLY doesn't like her job. Would this even be enjoyable for either party?

Like what the heck is this? They take hormones and get surgery only to not actually make use of what changes they're actually able to achieve?

Why are they so focused on pure penetration? Would a man even believe the diaphragm excuse?