LGBT Identification Rises to 5.6% of the US Population in Latest Estimate (Lesbians are decreasing % wise, while B & T are increasing)

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[–]motss-pb 41 insightful - 3 fun41 insightful - 2 fun42 insightful - 3 fun -  (4 children)

It's a fad. The reason the most dramatic increase happened in bisexual numbers is because bisexuality is the easiest sexuality for straight people to colonize. I personally witnessed this within my group of friends where 4/5 of the girls (all in heterosexual relationships) started identifying as bisexual, pansexual, asexual somewhere around 2012-2015 when the majority public opinion on gay rights in the US had shifted. One of the girls started identifying as a lesbian after her man dumped her. Now she's back to asexual. They like to get dressed up in the colors of their respective identity flags and treat pride like it's a cosplay convention. Of course, they love the word queer, they're "gay as f--k", and they hate conventional gays like Buttigieg because he's not queer enough. And if you like JK Rowling, "get f---ed because you're not part of the LGBTQ community". It's funny to watch them make the gay rights movement all about them and whine about their nonexistent oppression when just 10 years ago they were all jokingly calling each other "gay" and "f*g" as an insult.

[–]reluctant_commenter 33 insightful - 1 fun33 insightful - 0 fun34 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

bisexuality is the easiest sexuality for straight people to colonize.

Agreed. I think it's important to keep this in mind; many of the pro-TRA instances of homophobia that are supposedly done by bisexuals, are really just done by straight people LARPing as bisexuals because they think bisexuality (and same-sex attraction in general) is a choice and one that they fetishize....

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 25 insightful - 9 fun25 insightful - 8 fun26 insightful - 9 fun -  (0 children)

all about them

Today there much more straight people in LGBT movement than homosexual and bisexual combined.

While Stonewall is keeping on adding new "most oppressed groups": https://twitter.com/stonewalluk/status/1363843446616719363

Today "aromantics" are the most oppressed, aromantics are people who can have lots of sexual activity, but are not creating any romantic bonds. As someone noted in comments: "people who dump others after 1 night, serial rapists and maniacs - are all more oppressed than lesbians and gays in Stonewall eyes".

[–]BEB[S] 24 insightful - 4 fun24 insightful - 3 fun25 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

It is a fad. I saw it in a young lesbian friend's peer group when they all turned gender fluid and then transgender together.

[–]PenseePansyBio-Sex or Bust 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Do you see guys doing this as much as girls? My impression is that it's more the latter, probably due to the way biphobia works: "bi man" = gay; "bi woman" = straight (just "uninhibited" enough to provide dudes with an MFF threesome!). Cuz nobody is actually bisexual, of course!-- we don't exist, after all.

Therefore straight women playing this game... don't really change anything; they're still understood as straight. Whereas straight guys lose their coveted het-status, and for what? Nobody believes 'em, and now straight chicks won't fuck 'em anymore, either! (Since, for guys, it's the "one drop rule" where dick is concerned-- if you've ever liked dick even just a LITTLE TEENSY BIT... dick is all you like, forever and ever, world without end. Doesn't work the same way with pussy, somehow, for EITHER sex.) Truly a lose/lose situation.

[–]Virginia_Plain 24 insightful - 4 fun24 insightful - 3 fun25 insightful - 4 fun -  (26 children)

I think that bisexuality is one of the most misunderstood and underrepresented sexualities out there, so it does not surprise me to see such a big jump in people "identifying" as it.

I think it bi people have been lumped in with "gay" or "lesbian" too often, and does not really represent some people's true orientations. I also think that is where a lot of "I thought I was lesbian/straight/gay but actually sexuality is fluid" rhetoric comes from. I did notice some real animosity towards bisexual people from gay people in the late 1990s, when I was a teenager coming to terms with my sexuality. This may have put some bi people in the closet, feeling that they must decide to be only into men or women.

[–][deleted] 26 insightful - 5 fun26 insightful - 4 fun27 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

Whats worse is that some of those same straight girls calling themselves bisexual today, get mad at young lesbians online for pushing back against the "sexuality is fluid" stuff and call them biphobes.

[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah 24 insightful - 2 fun24 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 2 fun -  (19 children)

Noteworthy comment from Glenn Greenwald on Twitter:

Of Americans now claiming "bi" identity, the vast majority of them in long-term relationships are in opposite-sex relationships (33%) rather than same-sex ones (3.7%).

So 10 times more people who identify as "bi" live in hetero-appearing relationships than gay/lesbian ones.

[–]reluctant_commenter 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

To be fair though-- statistically speaking, if (generously) 5% of one's own sex is same-sex attracted and 95% of one's opposite sex is opposite-sex attracted-- that leaves, for a bisexual woman for example, 1 eligible woman for every 19 eligible men. If it's a random chance which person she falls in love with, it kinda makes sense that there's a high chance she'll end up with someone of the opposite sex.

I do think, though, that many straight people pretending to be bisexual express being grossed out or disgusted at the idea of sexual activity with the same sex... which is literally the point of same-sex attraction.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

And lots actually are far more the opposite sex, and if they were men would never say to be bi, but bi as women is cool

[–]reluctant_commenter 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

and if they were men would never say to be bi, but bi as women is cool

Yeah, since everyone downplays attraction to women-- in bi women, in bi men.

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

A friend of mine says 'you're only as gay as the relationship you're in', which is fitting here.

[–]reluctant_commenter 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Why is that?

[–]usehername 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

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[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 22 insightful - 3 fun22 insightful - 2 fun23 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I think it's also the choice of words. I've often heard (often bisexual, but not always) people say 'everyone is a little bisexual' and 'sexuality is fluid', when what they should be saying is 'some people are bisexual' and 'some bisexuals prefer one sex over the other, which is why they feel that their sexuality is fluid'. It's the fact that the statements are so sweeping and don't allow space for people who are only interested in a single sex.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 19 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 3 fun -  (3 children)

No, bisexuals is just a trend for lots of girls who think they're bi because they found some celebrity hot, but actually they will never date women seriously.

[–]MezozoicGayoldschool gay 19 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 0 fun20 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

In that report it is stated that almost all bisexuals in poll are in heterosexual relationship and never had homosexual relationship, while in previous years it was not the case and bisexuals often had homosexual relationship or were in one.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 14 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 3 fun15 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

I've read more than one from bi women, they like to sleep with girls, but they usually get in love only with men or prefer stay with them. I would say not even half of that bi girls are actually seriously into women

[–]millicentfawcett 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wonder if some of it is because we don't have an equivalent word like 'bromance' for girls so they use bisexual instead? In my experience some young women and girls can have really intense female friendships during their formative years that can almost be like romantic relationships without the sex. It's not difficult to see why in these identity obsessed times they might try to label it when really it's quite a standard (although not universal) girlhood experience. I also have a theory that one of the unconscious reasons for these intense friendships is that they can serve as a 'safe space' for exploring relationship skills that are useful later on.

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 13 insightful - 8 fun13 insightful - 7 fun14 insightful - 8 fun -  (7 children)

Americans' Self-Identification as LGBT, by Generation

.....................................................................LGBT........... Straight/Hetero...... No opinion

Generation Z (born 1997-2002)..........................15.9......... 78.9....................... 5.2

Millennials (born 1981-1996)..............................9.1........... 82.7....................... 8.1

Generation X (born 1965-1980) ........................3.8........... 88.6....................... 7.6

Baby boomers (born 1946-1964).........................2.0........... 91.1....................... 6.9

Traditionalists (born before 1946)........................1.3........... 89.9....................... 8.9

GALLUP, 2020

So........ The next generation after Z is going to be 32% LGBTQOMGWTFBBQ I guess... The numbers are approximately doubling each time???

[–]our_team_is_winning 18 insightful - 4 fun18 insightful - 3 fun19 insightful - 4 fun -  (4 children)

They've turned honest sexual orientation into a fad. Weren't these kids all "otherkin" and "vampires" not long ago?

Every internet-addicted teen LARPing as genderspecial needs to be met with "really? How boring."

[–]homosomes 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Weren't these kids all "otherkin" and "vampires" not long ago?

Some of them still are. I've also seen a ton of these TQ+ disclose their (sometimes self-diagnosed) mental illnesses in their social media bios.

[–]BEB[S] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Abigail Shrier's non-fiction book IRREVERSIBLE DAMAGE, about the rise of girls suddenly believing that they are transgender, talks about how a lot of the non-gay kids being sucked into the transgender fad have mental illnesses (is that what it's called now?) or conditions like autism and ADHD.

Then IIRC there was a study done of LGBTQ + US university students that also found the same.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee~=[,,_,,]=^_^= 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

does this include the "queers" aka i think im lgbt because i dress like a clown people?

[–]millicentfawcett 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This needs a longitudinal study to see if those numbers remain fairly static as younger generations age into older generations. That should in theory sort out some of what is actual sexual orientation versus identity.

[–]BEB[S] 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Here's another article on it from THE WASHINGTON POST w some excerpts. Paywall but you should be able to read it:

““The rigid lines around gender and sexuality are just opening up for everybody,” Hammack said. “Young people are just doing it. … They’re leading this revolution, and they’re forcing scientists to take a closer look…More than half of LGBT adults identify as bisexual, the Gallup survey data found, while a quarter say they are gay, 12 percent identify as lesbian, 11 percent as transgender and 3 percent as another term, such as queer. (Respondents could select multiple responses.) That means 3.1 percent of Americans identify as bisexual…

…Research from the Williams Institute at the UCLA School of Law has similarly found that a key driver of the growth in the LGBT community has been a surge in bisexual women and girls. Bisexual women make up the largest group of LGBT adults — about 35 percent, according to a Williams Institute analysis of data from three population-based surveys. More than one in 10 U.S. high school youth identifies as lesbian, gay or bisexual. And among them, 75 percent are female and 77 percent identify as bisexual…

And in Generation Z, bisexual people make up an even greater share of the LGBT community — 72 percent said they identify as bisexual. This means that nearly 12 percent of all Gen Z adults identify as bisexual, and about 2 percent each identify as gay, lesbian or transgender…In a similar way, among those who Hammack surveyed for his research, young people who were assigned female at birth were more likely to identify as nonbinary, meaning they are neither male nor female — or they identify as a combination of both..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/02/24/gen-z-lgbt/

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

More than one in 10 U.S. high school youth identifies as lesbian, gay or bisexual. 75 percent are female and 77 percent identify as bisexual...

In other words, a lot of heterosexual teenage girls think they are bisexual. I have heard that a lot of women who identify as bisexual are not bisexual at all. Is it any wonder why so many people think that bisexuals don’t exist? Obviously, bisexuals exist, but I can see why some people would dismiss bisexuality as a myth when so many people claiming to be bisexual later come back and say that they are straight or gay. If you’re actually bisexual, you have my support if somebody gives out to you, demanding that you pick a side. And you also have my support if you’re dealing with someone who is not bisexual claiming to be bisexual so he or she can subvert and take over spaces that were intended for bisexuals.

I would also like to add that most non-bisexual woman who say they’re bi are actually straight, and most non-bisexual men who say they’re bi are actually gay.

[–]haveanicedaytoo💗💜💙 12 insightful - 6 fun12 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

Bisexual women make up the largest group of LGBT adults — about 35 percent, according to a Williams Institute analysis of data from three population-based surveys. More than one in 10 U.S. high school youth identifies as lesbian, gay or bisexual. And among them, 75 percent are female and 77 percent identify as bisexual…

I don't have kids, but I feel like this is what a parent must feel like when they learn that their kid just shit all over the classroom at school on purpose and then smeared the walls with it while the rest of the students and teacher watched on in horror.

(Though... Maybe I shouldn't? Most of these have to be straight gals. The straights should be feeling embarrassed, not me....)

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Wait, all of gen z are adults now? I thought gen z was kids 2004 and after, not with me being the youngest group of zoomers!

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I think zoomers are people who were born after 1995 or 1997.

[–]bopomofodojo 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

They keep changing the definitions around so it's never clear. First "Gen Y" was ~1980-1997 and "Millenials" was 1998+, then that got swapped back one and "Gen Z" was anyone after 1998 (who are indeed now becoming adults with the older cohort in their early 20's), but then that shifted again and now "Zoomers" are the post 2010 generation and... who knows anymore. We should just use date ranges.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We should just have nicknames for generations based on decades in which they were born in. It would be much easier.

[–]Three_oneFourWanted for thought crimes in countless ideologies 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

So who are all the kids playing fortnite and shit? The minors, according to the scale used by this website?

[–]ArthnoldManacatsaman🇬🇧🌳🟦 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

The Flossers.

GEDDIT because it's a Fortnight thing.

I used to be with it. Then they changed what 'it' was. Now what I'm with isn't 'it', and what's 'it' seems weird and scary to me. It'll happen to you.

[–]lumiosestone 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

So around 5.6% of these people are susceptible to social contagion, basically.

[–]reluctant_commenter 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

No, because some of us are actually same-sex-attracted lol. Maybe like 3-4% are actually LGB? I guess the T is over-inflating it too, though.

[–]lumiosestone 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, I know there must have been at least a small amount in that percentage who answered honestly and aren't delusional. Hence the 'around'.

[–]reluctant_commenter 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I mean, 3% out of the total compared to 5.6% of the total means over 2/3 of people being honest, lol. So it is not just a small amount. But I do agree that if you pick say Gen Z then yeah that is a massive inflation of the numbers going on.

[–]reluctant_commenter 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing. The picture's even worse than I thought but it's nice to discuss the results with you all and not just read it on my own and be disturbed. It's disturbing to see lesbian erasure in the actual numbers.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They need to stop asking people what then identify as and just ask for the underlying facts. Biological sex and the biological sex(es) they’re attracted to and can ask questions about dating/relationship/personal history. And sure can ask the gender identity questions too, but need to have “N/A” options for people it’s not relevant to for themselves and who they’re attracted to. You can also ask identity on top of that so we can measure how accurately people label themselves.

[–]whateverbeaver 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

How about just dropping the B too? Gays and bis have very different experiences regardless of whether the bisexuality is real or not...even gays and lesbians have very different experiences. Why do people want letters? Just dump the alphabet and be brave enough to fight for your own individual rights.

[–]panderichthys 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well put!