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This comment is dismissive to black Americans especially those of recent immigrants, as well as the experiences.

Lmao. OK. I was able to pinpoint the ethnic origin of both your parents within 100 miles (Puerto Rico is east of D.R. by less than 100 miles, Denmark is attached to Germany). You were off my friend's country of origin by over 2000 miles (Sri Lanka to the nearest Chinese border). I not only correctly deduced you were half Afro-Latin, I correctly guessed that half came from the Caribbeans. Tamil people are completely different culturally to Chinese or Korean people. Not. Even. Close. We're not going to go into the part where you got to know which city she lived in and I don't know which city you live in, because I think our interactions gave me more insight on your ethnic background than I could glean from your home city. Am I just better than you? Or could you have had a harder task as the Asian American community is more diverse than the Black American community? I suspect it's a bit of both.

Let's look at some facts straight off the most reliable source on the internet (remember, I am just as surprised as you are):

Of the 12.6% of United States residents who identified as black, around 10.3% were "native black American" or ethnic African Americans, who are direct descendants of West/Central Africans brought to the U.S. as slaves.

That's over 80% of Black Americans who are direct descendants of West/Central Africans who are brought to the U.S. as slaves. A strong majority.

According to the 2017 American Community Survey, 65% of Hispanic and Latinos identified as White... Over a quarter of Hispanic/Latino Americans identify as "some other race."

There's, at best, a weak majority in "Latin" communities.

The largest ethnic groups were Chinese (23.8 percent), Filipino (20.4 percent), Japanese (12.3 percent), Indian (11.8 percent), Korean (11.6 percent), Vietnamese (8.9 percent), and Laotian (2.2 percent).[35] Smaller populations, of less than two percent, were documented of the following ethnicities: Cambodian, Thai, Hmong, Pakistani, Indonesian, Malay, Bangladeshi, Sri Lankan, and Burmese.

There is no majority in "Asian" communities.

Moreover, I did mention recent immigrants in the Black community. Twice:

There's a chance that your black parent is an immigrant, and a chance that you're an immigrant yourself, but it's slim.

There are variations, like the African slaves who were "moved" to Central or South America, and later waves of immigrants to the Americas either from Africa or of African descent (though some of them may not "identify" as black, preferring to identify with their nationality or ethnic group as they don't have much in common with the dominant black north american narrative)

This lines up with information on wikipedia:

According to the 2010 U.S. Census, nearly 3% of people who self-identified as black had recent ancestors who immigrated from another country.

This is compared to around 69% of Asian Americans being foreign born in 2000 (see note 34). Also, regarding the italicized section in parenthesis:

According to U.S. Census Bureau data, African immigrants generally do not self-identify as African American. The overwhelming majority of African immigrants identify instead with their own respective ethnicities (≈95%).

God I'm good. Maybe you should be the one sucking my cunt. For someone who claims to love diversity, you sure don't have a good grasp of it.

So to wrap it up, the Black community in America is objectively less diverse than Latin and Asian communities. I'm right on that. Additionally, I did not dismiss the experiences of non-"mainstream" members of the Black community in America, including recent immigrants, as I've mentioned it twice. Most of all, I don't see how this amounts to me "bashing black community", "putting down black community", saying that the issues the black community faces is "less severe" or any of those things. These are separate things.

You give examples of Asians being more diverse. You say most black people are here due to slavery yet you make no mention of Chinese and Japanese being in the U.S. prior and during slavery due to the gold rush.

I didn't mention Japanese internment camps or Yellow Peril either; I have a finite amount of time, I'm not going to mention everything. And this is an argument for Asian communities being more diverse, not less.

You speak about the Asians having to escape hardships and war torn countries like Sri Lanka, or the example of the Vietnamese woman, the boy...yet you don't acknowledge any of the black people who came here in similar if not the same situation.

The first two was mentioned in passing, by happenstance. The third was brought up as a response to you interpreting behavior from the non-Black PoC community as "gaining whiteness" and "stepping on Black people". I was offering an alternative interpretation to that behavior. None of it was said in the spirit of woe is non-Black people. We are not arguing over our differing interpretations of behavior in the Black community (I don't think we would disagree on that, for the most part); if we were, I might have delved into specific scenarios too.

Also, even if I mentioned them in the spirit of woe is non-Black PoCs, how in the world is that putting anyone down? You're behaving just like Eva Longoria. Is non-Black lesbians talking about their struggles with coming out putting Black people down? Is non-Black women talking about their struggles with sexism putting black people down? Why is non-Black immigrants talking about their struggles with the immigration process putting black people down? Does every mention of some sort of struggle have to pay tribute to Black struggles lest it puts Black people down? I didn't buy this center-me-always shit from the trans community, and I'm not going to buy it from you either.

You, a non black person, telling black people what is and what is not black is by far the most entitled, racist thing any non-black person can do. Because history has shown time and time again, your way of thinking has led to nothing but segregation and discrimination.

Wow, and here I thought maybe race-based genocide, lynching, enslavement or forced assimilation would be the most racist thing someone can do. Or, like, in the modern American context maybe racist hiring practices, calling the police on random Black people, or voting for racist politicians something. But I guess these days, not agreeing with you fits the bill.

Me, a black woman, is telling you a white man with white parents is not black. You dismiss my statement and say he is in fact black because he claims it. This is extremely harmful to the black community since it brings forth even higher negative experiences of colorism.

He says he's black. His black wife says he's black (unless you also don't think she is black). Ebony.com says he's black. I'm not going to go against him, his wife, and ebony.com, just to side with you and breitbart.com on this one. But hey, I was fine dropping the issue if you don't think he is. For your sake, I am fine with remaining neutral. If you want another example, take Meghan Markle, Zendaya, Logic or Redfoo. The point is, sometimes I, a non-black person, cannot tell the difference between white and black people. I don't see how my occasional inability to identify African ancestry would lead to "nothing but segregation and discrimination", so you'll have to fill me in on that.

And no, it's still compiling, believe it or not.

Edit: example changed to be more Ameri-centric