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[–]zyxzevn 6 insightful - 4 fun6 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Those were not all corona deaths. Only 22% were caused by Covid-19 like symptoms.

[–]LarrySwinger2 5 insightful - 4 fun5 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Lel.

[–]Akali 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (7 children)

They were not burned they were gaz, but the meme still made me chuckle even though I shouldn't. That muppet face is just too good.

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    [–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    in schindler's list they showed first they buried them but then they knew they were gonna lose the war so they had the bodies dug up and then burned, to hide the evidence

    seems convenient reason for why there is no evidence.

    [–]wristaction 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    The burning was the retcon for why no gassed corpses were/ever will be found. Ironically, it's what moves the Holocaust story from being wildly implausible to being mathematically impossible.

    [–]bjam27 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (2 children)

    There's certain evidence you're just an idiot.

    [–]Canbot 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    Do some research, all the evidence is either discredited by contradictory physical evidence or uncorroborated testimony. It's all based on the claims of former prisoners and tortured prison guards.

    The fact that questioning it is illegal in Europe proves the story is fake.

    [–]Jesus 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    It's illegal because Zionist Jews control these countires.

    [–]asterias 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

    So it all comes down to superior German engineering?

    [–]just_lesbian_things 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (20 children)

    Cremating corpses individually, which is the norm as families want to keep the ashes, is going to take a lot more time than if you were to burn in bulk with no regard for the remains. Also, I daresay modern standards for burning anything is stricter due to climate concerns.

    [–]Canbot 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (19 children)

    If it were true that they were cremating people in bulk they would need to have cremation furnaces that were much larger than the ones they had. The furnaces they had were sized to burn lice contaminated laundry and were not big enough to do what you claim. Nor would 5 bodies burn at the same rate as 1 if you shoved them into the same furnace, that is not how any of that works. It takes a lot more time to burn a body than it does to put a body in, and to pull out the ashes.

    And that is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of holocaust story holes. Furnaces do not burn bone. The bones need to be ground up if they are to be put into an urn. If you wanted to save time you would just dispose of the bones, but there have been no bones found and the official story claims that all the bones of the burned bodies were pulverized. Absolute insanity.

    [–]just_lesbian_things 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (18 children)

    If it were true that they were cremating people in bulk they would need to have cremation furnaces that were much larger than the ones they had.

    No, it just needs to be big enough for a body, which it looks to be, according to the photographs. Remains have been found in mass graves, with pieces of bones found within the ashes, as you say, they do not burn. Much less care is given to these bodies than modern day crematoriums, where the process involves handling the bodies respectfully, collecting the ashes carefully, and grinding the bones. That's going to take longer. Also, present day crematoriums are designed to handle the usual death rate of a population, so it's not hard to overwhelm them in the case of a pandemic where a lot more people have died in a short amount of time.

    Is there anything that could convince you of it? Clearly not books, photographs, or first person accounts. What sort of evidence of the existence of the Holocaust would you accept, just out of curiosity?

    [–]Canbot 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    If it were true that they were cremating people in bulk

    No, it just needs to be big enough for a body

    Do you even understand what is being said? A furnace that burns more than one body needs to be big enough to burn more than one body. What part of that don't you get?

    You claimed that they could have burned more people by burning them en mass, but they don't have that ability. Your claim is thus disproved.

    Remains have been found in mass graves, pieces of bones

    A Polish research team conducted an investigation and found that the actual amount of holocaust victims was around 200k. not anywhere near 6 million. No one is claiming that no one died. What is being challenged is the claim that people were systematically gassed and the claim that the number of dead was so ridiculously high. That a grave exists is not proof that the impossible number of 6 million is now somehow possible.

    Much less care is given to these bodies than modern day crematoriums, where the process involves handling the bodies respectfully, collecting the ashes carefully, and grinding the bones.

    This is nothing more than hand waving and it is completely illogical. You are claiming that handling the bodies is what is slowing down the cremation time, that is absolute nonsense. The reason the Italians can't cremate fast enough is because of the time it takes to burn the bodies, not because of the time it takes to handle them or to crush the bones after. You are literally pulling bullshit rebuttals out of your ass that make no sense at all. The bottleneck is literally in the process of burning the bodies. None of your excuses make any difference in that at all, yet somehow you claim that explains it. It does not.

    Also, present day crematoriums are designed to handle the usual death rate of a population

    We literally know exactly how many furnaces they had. They did not have enough furnaces to burn 6 million bodies. Once again you wave your hand and say some "but it could be this" and think that is a valid argument against the fact that all the evidence shows they could not have burned that many bodies. I bet you think you are the intelligent one here dismissing facts with nonsensical bullshit. How many times does your hand waving have to be proven wrong before you realize that is not a valid way to counter arguments backed by facts?

    Is there anything that could convince you of it?

    Yes, 6 million sets of bones. A mass grave of bodies which can be tested by non jews and found to have been killed by zyclon b. A massive stash of protective equipment the Nazis would have needed in order to kill people in wooden door gas chambers without killing themselves. All the missing paperwork giving orders and instructions to execute millions of prisoners with gas.

    What would it take to convince you that you have been lied to?

    [–]just_lesbian_things 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    Do you even understand what is being said? A furnace that burns more than one body needs to be big enough to burn more than one body. What part of that don't you get?

    A bunch of 1 body furnaces that runs for hours straight without stopping, with the door periodically being opened to unceremoniously insert another body, with the ashes being scraped out while the furnaces run is going to require less time per body than a furnace that is powered on and off, with the bodies in caskets and ashes and bones carefully collected and cooled afterwards for the mourning families. (Also, average person today is probably heavier than someone who has been starving in a concentration camp).

    We literally know exactly how many furnaces they had

    And how many is that?

    They did not have enough furnaces to burn 6 million bodies

    But do they have enough to burn 95,000 bodies over the course of 12 months (not accounting for the ones who were not cremated but buried, and the fact that the death toll was not consistent but came in waves)? Because that's the amount it took to overwhelm the Italian crematoriums. The Occam's razor explanation is that Italian crematoriums simply aren't designed with the intention of cremating this many bodies in such a short period of time, not that it is impossible to cremate this many bodies within this timeframe. I don't need to collect 6 million set of bones to point out that this argument is bullshit.

    [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

    They had enough for about 200k as the evidence shows. So yes, more than the italians have currently. That is more than an order of magnitude different than the official story. Occam's razor explains that the Jews lied.

    [–]just_lesbian_things 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    They had enough

    How many? You "literally know exactly how many". Share it with us.

    200k over the course of the 6 years of WW2 is 33k per year, way smaller number than the current Italian crematorium capacity.

    [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

    That is not what I said. But you go ahead and make up fake quotes.

    [–]just_lesbian_things 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    That is not what I said.

    It literally is. Lmao. Go check your own comment:

    We literally know exactly how many furnaces they had.

    [–]Canbot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    We and I are not the same word. I know you know what the royal we is and what it means. You are bullshitting like a typical Jew, absolutely no shame.

    [–]Jesus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Ah yes, 3.5 million died this way. Nope.

    [–]angryturtle 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

    Regardless of the details of the logistics of disposing of such a huge number of bodies, as was allegedly done, I'm curious where the 6 million number comes from? Originally it was Soviet propaganda, but most contemporary historians(who themselves had reason to exagerate) placed the number substantially lower, around 3 to 4 million.

    At some point the 6 million number popped back up and became cannon, but I've not been able to find much evidence to back up this number other than vague references to census figures that seem to justify why the 6 million number is expected to be believed on punishment of imprisonment in some countries. I mean even if a population group was reduced by 6 million during a long period of war and mass refugees, that certainly doesnt mean 6 million were killed. A dramatic drop in the birth rate coupled with higher than normal mortality rates due to malnutrition, starvation, disease, lack of medical care, and mass migration could account for most of that number, all things which undoubtedly occurred during ww2.

    Do you have some source that accounts for all of this and explains why the 6 million number is still unquestionable?

    [–]just_lesbian_things 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

    Do you have some source that accounts for all of this and explains why the 6 million number is still unquestionable?

    No? I also don't remember how many people were killed on the D-Day attack, nor how many civilians died as a result of Nagasaki and Hiroshima bombings, nor the complete death toll of the Armenian genocide. I think it's ridiculous to go around claiming that historians are lying to you about this number in particular to support some sort of conspiracy against white people. I think it's idiotic to claim that Italian crematoriums not being able to keep up with this pandemic is a sign in favour of this particular conspiracy as opposed to the simpler explanation that the crematoriums were simply not designed for such a heavy death toll in such a short amount of time.

    [–]angryturtle 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

    But people arent ostracized, attacked, imprisoned and censored for expressing different views on the number of people killed in Hiroshima, or the Armenian genocide for that matter. Nor are those used as justification for the existence of and support for a nuclear armed ethnostate, one which wields considerable control over western nations due to guilt tripping over ww2.

    I have no idea exactly how many people died in those events, and to be honest I dont have any idea how many truly died in "the holocaust". It could be 2.5 million it could be 5 million, and this view alone would be considered heretical and result in sanction and punishment in modern American society. It would for example be instantly censored in the mainstream media and even on social media. Go to reddit and post this question and see what happens.

    [–]angryturtle 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You also may be aware of Barbara Spectre. She is the former head of a European Jewish cultural organization that also advocates for mass immigration, that receives state and tax payer backing. She also openly questions the number of people killed in both the Armenian genocide and the Ukrainian Holodomor. She even wrote a book angrily refuting the classification of them as genocides. She has prospered regardless.

    People who have done the same for the holocaust have been censored, blacklisted, financially ruined and imprisoned. A 97 year old woman just received a multi year prison sentence in Germany for doing exactly that. You can ignore the double standard yourself, but it exists and is noticed regardless.

    [–]just_lesbian_things 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

    But people arent ostracized, attacked, imprisoned and censored for expressing different views on the number of people killed in Hiroshima, or the Armenian genocide for that matter

    Some of them are.

    support for a nuclear armed ethnostate

    Do you actually have a thing against an ethnostate? Lots of places are ethnostates, are you against them too? Are you super pro-immigration or something? If you're against nuclear weapons, you can be against nuclear weapons without claiming that historians lied about stuff. Just be against nuclear weapons like the rest of us. But reminder that if you're currently living in a country with nuclear weapons, it might look very hypocritical if you want to ban them for other people. You can recognize that you're here to support your and only your interests and that other people are here to do the same without suspecting there to be foul play or conspiracies against you.

    [–]angryturtle 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    Do you actually have a thing against an ethnostate?

    No not at all really. I have a thing against only one group of people in the world being allowed to have one, and anyone else advocating it for themselves being labled as being "supremacists" and even domestic terrorists. The issue I have is in the hypocrisy, especially when one considers that Jews who are overwhelmingly zionist have been leading the charge in demonizing any kind of western nationalism, ethnicity based or not. Obviously not all Jews do this, but the ones who do wield a lot of power and influence.

    Are you super pro-immigration or something?

    Far from it.

    If you're against nuclear weapons, you can be against nuclear weapons without claiming that historians lied about stuff. Just be against nuclear weapons like the rest of us.

    I'm generally against nuclear weapons, but currently no western nations that possess them are ethnostates, and in fact no western nations at all are ethnostates, so again were back to the hypocrisy. Israel stands out in that unlike the US and other western nations that stockpiled nukes during an arms race with an ideological enemy that did the same in the name of nuclear deterrence, Israel stockpiles nukes despite its enemies not having any themselves, which means their stockpiling is done solely in an attempt to blackmail and intimidate its enemies. Its done for military supremacy, but that isnt the worst of it.

    There is something known as the Samson doctrine, which states that should the Israeli regime ever be on the verge of being overun, they would unleash nuclear weapons on both middle Eastern capitals and in some versions of it European capitals(they are believed to possess over 400 nukes, way more than would be needed to level middle eastern capitals). It has been suggested by prominent Israelis themselves that the goal of this would be to unleash a nuclear winter that threatens all of humanity. I mean were talking about something straight out of Dr Strangelove, and yet its REAL, and nobody even talks about it.

    Go ahead and google the Samson doctrine, and keep in mind the wikipedia version of it is highly santized and puts the Israelis in the best possible light given such an insanely destructive doctrine.

    [–]Jesus-Christ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Go ahead and google the Samson doctrine

    This is insane. Thanks for the info.

    [–]just_lesbian_things 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I have a thing against only one group of people in the world being allowed to have one

    They're not the only group of people in the world allowed to have an ethnostate. Jewish people are not a monolith, I guess some of them are pro-ethnostate and some of them aren't.

    but currently no western nations that possess them are ethnostates, and in fact no western nations at all are ethnostates, so again were back to the hypocrisy

    What hypocrisy? Is there a particular rule against ethnostates having nuclear weapons?

    Israel stands out in that unlike the US and other western nations that stockpiled nukes during an arms race with an ideological enemy that did the same in the name of nuclear deterrence. Israel stockpiles nukes despite its enemies not having any themselves, which means their stockpiling is done solely in an attempt to blackmail and intimidate its enemies. Its done for military supremacy, but that isnt the worst of it.

    US and western nations developed nuclear weapons to attack enemies who did not have any. And they were developed with and on the scientific efforts of many Jewish scientists. You can argue that it's disproportionate force, but US and European history of the last few centuries has been one of flexing disproportionate military might against "ideological enemies" who were significantly weaker. If you're confused, I'm talking about colonialism and bringing "freedom" and "civilization" to "savages".

    There is something known as the Samson doctrine, which states that should the Israeli regime ever be on the verge of being overun, they would unleash nuclear weapons on both middle Eastern capitals and in some versions of it European capitals(they are believed to possess over 400 nukes, way more than would be needed to level middle eastern capitals)

    You can criticize that without claiming historians are fabricating lies about the Holocaust. I don't understand why the discussion is centred on historical details when it seems like your main complaints are about other things.

    [–]angryturtle 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Jewish people are not a monolith, I guess some of them are pro-ethnostate and some of them aren't.

    Polls show approximately 95% of American Jews are, at least regarding a Jewish ethnostate. If we were talking about a European ethnostate the percentages would probably be reversed.That's pretty close to a monolith on this particular issue. Now that would be perfectly fine were it not for the outrageously disproportionate amount of influence and wealth those 95% of Jews have and the degree to which many of them aggressively wield it.

    What hypocrisy? Is there a particular rule against ethnostates having nuclear weapons?

    For all intents and purposes there is, IF the ethnostate in question isnt Jewish. In fact as far as our media and academia are concerned, the very notion of a non Jewish white ethnostate anywhere in the world is considered absolutely off the table, and to suggest otherwise is to face blacklisting, censorship and punishment. Again, the fact this hypocrisy is completely unconcerning to you doesnt mean its not of concern.

    If you're confused, I'm talking about colonialism and bringing "freedom" and "civilization" to "savages"

    While colonization might be bad, its a bit different than completely annihilating the inhabitants of a country and making it uninhabitable for decades, if not centuries, which is what we are talking about with nuclear weapons. Also, spare me your Jewish supremacism and the notion that nuclear weapons would not exist if not for the incredible genius of Jews. With the discovery of nuclear fission in 1938(by two non Jews), such a weapon was pretty much inevitable. The only question was the time it would take and the amount of resources required to build it. The US had the resources and because many Jews understood German physicists knew such a weapon was possible, and they regarded the Germans as their enemy(with understandable reason), they disproportionately made such a weapon a priority and went to great lengths to organize US efforts in building it. The Germans themselves certainly had sufficient talent to build such a weapon as well, but as they were embroiled in a war from 1939 onward they chose not to divert the resources necessary. Some German scientists most capable of building it also understood the dreadful nature of it and probably chose not to pursue the matter out of conscience. A belief the Jewish scientists in the US you are so proud of apparently did not share. Werner Heisenberg and other German scientists likely intentionally dragged their feet on the matter, but who knows.

    You can criticize that without claiming historians are fabricating lies about the Holocaust.

    I claimed nothing. I simply asked for evidence on the matter of the death toll.

    I don't understand why the discussion is centred on historical details when it seems like your main complaints are about other things.

    I thought I made it fairly clear why those other things are directly related to this question. Without "the holocaust" there is no Israel, and hence no 400 plus Israeli nuclear weapons pointed at middle eastern and European capitals, and hence no Samson doctrine. You can play stupid about the numerous ways in which the holocaust is used to advance Israeli and Jewish interests and silence criticism, but that doesnt mean we have to do the same. The hypocrisy of one set of rules of Jews and another for the rest of us isnt just some minor annoyance, it directly impacts what is happening to the west.