Pantene (shampoo) features transgender "girl" in ad - Twitter says NO (is the tide turning?)

Thatstealthygal · 2021-03-18T08:33:25+00:00

Well whoever they are, the way they just sit there adoringly gazing at Ashley is creepy.

Thatstealthygal · 2021-03-05T19:16:58+00:00

So where are these studies they claim about blockers being safe and not off label?

Thatstealthygal · 2021-02-15T06:52:09+00:00

Oh yeah, I don't disagree that people were thinner in general. But Cosmo models were extremely skinny and the goal was to be as thin as possible. Living on a lettuce leaf, black coffee and cigarettes was lauded.

It always makes me laugh when magazines and newspapers shriek about heroin chic or the waif look because frankly the models are no thinner than they were in 1975.

Thatstealthygal · 2021-02-13T21:51:03+00:00

Yeah, I think the earlier 70s were quite unique because women were for the first time taking charge of their sexuality and for a while "acting like men" with hookups and office jobs, plus all the coke. It's interesting to me that the look for woman at that time was at once hyperfeminine - a ton of hair, nails, glossy lips and lashes - and also kind of anti-sexual with the very thin body type that was exhalted.

Thatstealthygal · 2021-02-13T20:58:12+00:00

How I wish a magazine would say "no there's no safe way to have X fetish - just don't do it."

Thatstealthygal · 2021-02-13T20:57:11+00:00

I was both scared by and drawn by Cosmo because the issues I saw were all 70s ones and it was all about having loads of casual sex and getting men to think you were good in bed, OR being alert to men who might be into sex when you weren't (apparently hair along the little finger is a SUREFIRE SIGN for "watch him - he's keen on sex", and wearing very long fingernails and low-cut wrap dresses that showed your very bony clavicle which looked nothing like my body. There wasn't any romance in Cosmo! But it was about SEX which was of course fascinating.

Thatstealthygal · 2021-02-08T05:43:48+00:00

That also really throws a spanner in the works when it comes to the idea that blockers are needed so a person will pass better. If a male bodied person grows to extremely tall, that's not going to help random people on the street look at them and think "everyday woman". So they will NOT blend in. And if their penis doesn't grow properly then they're going to need the most dangerous and complication-ridden kind of SRS if they have it. Which begs the question - why do this dangerous thing when it won't have any positive effect other than slightly less of an adam's apple and beard?

And for girls, of course, being very short isn't going to help either.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-12-28T04:29:41+00:00

She looks quite female to me in the more "androgynous" shots.

The one with the sixpack, I'd say there is a sculpting makeup going on there. Broad shoulders? That would be the cut of her shirts and jackets and in some cases padding.

Angles as well. Plus I expect photoshop.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-12-06T04:49:39+00:00

If that's what Kids These Days are being raised to think, I feel very sorry for them.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-10-13T07:35:31+00:00

I find the recommendation that people "unlearn" their preferences by watching porn extremely disturbing though. It's like conversion therapy.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-10-13T07:34:23+00:00

Yeah, this is like "so, according to you I must not be cis then since me and my heterosexual lovers have done all of these things for ever".

Thatstealthygal · 2020-10-11T03:53:03+00:00

What was the original post?

Thatstealthygal · 2020-10-08T06:53:59+00:00

Nobody wants to read your kiddie porn.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-10-08T06:53:37+00:00

Indeed. BUT I suspect people are trying to say that denying a kid hormone blockers is like trying to force a gay kid to be straight. It's not. A young person can explore their sexuality with kids their own age without lasting physical damage, regardless of which sex they end up preferring. Many gay people started with straight relationships and plenty of straight people explored same-sex relationships. Your preference can change, or not, and that's OK. No harm done. Hormone blockers and surgeries? Not so much.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-10-02T08:20:58+00:00

If a trans woman looks femme enough there shouldn't even be an issue. Nobody's going to check your chromosomes at the door.

I'd love to ask John Maclean that question but he'd probably say he only goes in his own personal palace.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-09-24T08:00:22+00:00

There is a TIM and a TIF at my workplace and they cause no trouble at all. To be fair, not every trans person is going to be like this person's boss. And yes, coworkers should shut up about sex!

Thatstealthygal · 2020-09-18T08:09:05+00:00

I really don't see a problem with this.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-09-18T08:08:06+00:00

"Some of them could have been masculine boipussies"!

I remember this story.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-09-15T08:17:36+00:00

Jessica SIMPSON??? Baahahahah.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-09-15T08:15:49+00:00

Yeah, this is the crux of the issue really, not that her kid is trans or whatever.

It does strike me that Cynthia's children have been either partially or completely raised by her butch lesbian wife, and that with such a role model, surely the one who is trans-identified must really have some serious reason to feel that way.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-09-14T07:03:40+00:00

I'm misremembering - the "auction scene" is online and she's wearing a dress that's basically like a fancy chemise. It's a horrible scene because it's like she does kind of understand but also has no real idea.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-09-14T06:57:45+00:00

I wouldn't be surprised. I'd forgotten that the storyline develops so that Brooke's character forms a sexual relationship with the photographer who simultaneously treats her like a father, and she's all of 12. It's extremely gross.

I think she's naked on a silver platter in the "auction" scene but in such a way that nothing is really seen.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-09-14T06:56:08+00:00

The Blue Lagoon is basically just terribly, terribly cheesy with dreadful dialogue delivered by two very pretty young people. Their "childlike" discussions about puberty are cringemaking. But it's not that "adult" really. Brooke Shields' hair is artfully draped over her boobs the whole time and she had body doubles for any actually nude scenes (eg when swimming).

Thatstealthygal · 2020-09-13T09:39:15+00:00

Blue Lagoon is a movie in which Brooke Shields and Christopher Atkins, who were both young (but he wasn't AS young), play shipwrecked kids who grow up on an idyllic island, discover sex, have a baby and eventually take a boat out to sea and eat poisoned berries to suicide. It's based on an Edwardian (I think) novel and it's both uncomfortable and hilariously bad.

I think OP means Endless Love, in which Brooke Shields plays a teenager who has sex for the first time while her super liberal mother watches joyfully (but unseen); later the boyfriend gets obsessed with her and it all goes horribly wrong.

There was a DEEP fascination with underage sexuality in the 70s, for certain.

Oh and Pretty Baby is DEEPLY disturbing. It's not an "awareness" film as I remember it - it's about a photographer who becomes fascinated by the women who work in a brothel at the turn of the last century, including the child daughter of one of the working girls whose virginity is sold to the highest bidder.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-08-29T23:01:13+00:00

Does he still have his Adam's Apple? That would surely be a clue.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-08-10T09:53:27+00:00

If they never had the education or opportunity to look in a book, as many working class people in disadvantaged societies do, they could hardly be blamed for lacking curiosity about something that had no impact on their lives.

This is the same kind of thinking that 50s white researchers used to claim black people didn't value education - because they only got points for wanting their kids to go to grad school, when people from disadvantaged communities who've never been to college don't even know that there is such a thing as grad school. Did they want their kids to go to college? Hell yes they did. But the research was weighted towards people of privilege from the start.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-08-10T06:09:25+00:00

IQ is totally biased towards certain levels and kinds of education. Everyone knows this. A lot of tests are. How are you going to fare in a MoCa test if you have no reason to know what a rhino is?

Thatstealthygal · 2020-08-10T06:06:44+00:00

What is this race-baiting 4chan-sounding nonsense?

Thatstealthygal · 2020-08-09T09:08:38+00:00

Just... be friends with them.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-08-09T03:06:45+00:00

I think some clearly don't. Also this would include all those binding 13 year olds who aren't yet allowed testosterone.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-30T03:45:43+00:00

Nah. In Transparent, you're encouraged to view the central trans character positively BUT like all of the rest of the family, Maura is extremely selfish and the effects of that selfishness on others are shown.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-30T03:06:07+00:00

That's basically what the posters, mostly, are saying.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-30T02:59:57+00:00

ONTD has a fair few terf members though, and it's a largely black women's community.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-21T06:38:49+00:00

Intersectionalism is a black feminist thing and it is very important. Hijab being a choice is not an intersectionalist position. Intersectionalism merely identifies multiple nodes of oppression alongside the one we all share, ie being women, and asks us to take those things into consideration.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-20T22:42:22+00:00

I notice it's not showing at all in Google searches right now

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-20T08:37:36+00:00

And.... we've just grown into ourselves. We know we're not men, we just sometimes like masculine things, imagine ourselves being men at times, but know we're women.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-20T08:33:50+00:00

Yeah, when you kick people out of the village and send them to wander in the forests evermore, there's a high chance that they'll meet up with other shunned people and form new communities. Worse, they may find themselves having to take shelter with seriously bad people - because survival is a human instinct - who may make them FAR worse than they were when you shunned them and b) will undoubtedly help them lead an attack against you in the future.

Cancelling sans compassion is never a good idea.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-20T05:54:04+00:00

Weren't we always?

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-19T08:28:57+00:00

I suspect that a LOT of the women handmaidening about this stuff are, like me, completely uninterested in sports and have spent little to no time in changing rooms. I come from a place without communal changing rooms in stores, and only some communal changing areas, AND general cultural squeamishness about nudity, and yet I have definitely seen naked women in changing rooms for swimming pools or yoga for instance.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-19T00:09:54+00:00

What is really needed is long-term followup of a very large group of trans-identified people, throughout their lives, and including detransitioners. Right now we can't know how many trans-identified people do detransition, and we also can't know whether those detransitioners remain happy with their birth sex-aligned gender (and we won't be able to know that for a long time). Only a full life cycle a bit like the "seven-up" research is going to produce really useful data.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-19T00:05:43+00:00

Genuine apologies for slip ups are NOT ENOUGH.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-19T00:02:51+00:00

That just makes me feel sad for him.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-19T00:02:14+00:00

It sounds awfully PATERNALISTIC. "Oh black people, you don't understand your own oppression or your own needs. Let me whitesplain them to you."

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-19T00:00:51+00:00

Are they doing this because they are trans or because they're trying to muddy the waters and make it harder to identify them?

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-18T23:59:43+00:00

Well she DOES pose as a man. However, she's not saying she IS a man. She's a girl who dresses as a man in order to take her father's role as a soldier, both because Girls Aren't Allowed and also for her own protection. I don't understand why people find that so hard to understand. Posing as a man is not the same as adopting a male identity by preference because you think you are really a man inside.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-18T23:56:36+00:00

I keep seeing statements that JKR etc are basing their arguments on "outdated science". Where is this new science and the rebuttal, if any?

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-16T08:14:01+00:00

Of all the things I can think about wanting in a relationship, guiding my lover through childhood is very much not one of them.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-16T08:03:59+00:00

You might like I Am Not Okay With This, if you don't mind a spot of horror. The main character is a lesbian teenager, somewhat GNC. I liked it.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-16T00:32:15+00:00

I think that's them poking fun at the terves to be fair.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-15T20:11:34+00:00

I've always tended to use "person" or "they" as a general way of talking about people, even sexed ones. But the perky little memes on my Facebook timeline telling me how to be inclusive on NB day have made me so pissed off. It's patronising bullshit and we can use neutral terms without it having to be all about some new special identity we must cater to.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-15T08:42:11+00:00

The Bronte sisters must all have been dudes as well, right?

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-15T06:45:49+00:00

How many of said trans and NB people are white exactly? Is it A MASSIVE MAJORITY??

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-15T06:44:27+00:00

Are they saying non white people have never prioritised procreation before Evol Wyt Coliniza came along? That pressure to.have kids is entirely a renaissance western thing????

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-15T02:57:17+00:00

I don't.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-14T08:21:21+00:00

Yeah that's why a lot of r/GC posters called her him. And it's been claimed that Caster has known this for a long time and was even raised male. I don't know if that is true.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-14T08:18:38+00:00

Same. I feel like as a technical terf I need to make it clear that i don't hate trans people and am willing to take them at face value. The TW I've met have been odd but ok. The TMs unremarkable. But I've not had close relationships with anyone trans.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-14T05:58:50+00:00

What about the one who says it's full of terf dogwhistles and ergo fake?

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-14T00:33:46+00:00

100 percent never seen it here except when decrying it.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-14T00:26:50+00:00

I think the real issue is the illusion of too many choices. In Olden Times you had very few. Which was hugely restrictive to anyone outside of the norm in any way. Now, you get offered choices right down to genetic level, layer upon layer of labels and paths. No wonder they struggle to pay their bills - not from lack of money but from being exhausted.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-14T00:23:44+00:00

Pfft, could have said exactly the same of my generation born in the 60s, in terms of not wanting to grow up in a hurry.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-14T00:16:08+00:00

I fear so. They need to embrace the fact that not everyone with gender or bodily discomfort is trans. It's far healthier for all! If a person genuinely feels better via transitioning then let them be - but stop encouraging everyone to do it.

I saw an article the other day challenging the idea of "regretters" which rather hilariously gave, as one reason for detransitioning, a change in gender identity. Maybe 'regret' is the wrong term.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-13T10:22:58+00:00

But you find everyone here reprehensible, so why would you want to participate?

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-12T08:21:36+00:00

The only reason anyone has ever said this is because Angelina reported that when she was about four Shiloh told everyone they had to call her John after a character she liked, and also that Shiloh loved emulating her brothers. SOME people have shrieked ever since that Shiloh is trans and that media are evil for referring to her as "she".

Maybe Shiloh IS trans, maybe not. That should be up to her and hopefully settled upon well after puberty ends.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-12T06:00:32+00:00

"Phantom vagina area"?

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-12T00:59:58+00:00

The number one rule of r/GC was no brigading!!! FFS.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-11T21:54:12+00:00

This is the thing. Some teens will go on to solidify into a trans identity and that is more than OK with me. But others are just exploring. They all need time before radical bodily changes are on the agenda.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-11T21:51:50+00:00

Note also that the TIF politely leaves the sub instead of demanding it change to cater to their needs.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-11T21:49:37+00:00

Even though the lack of protocol is infuriating, I'm glad they have their space back.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-11T11:12:40+00:00

I'm assuming they base this on poster history, so if anyone had a GC post history anything they make is toast.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-11T07:04:54+00:00

They've been having glamorous passing trans women as models forever, possibly even in Playboy. Nothing to see here.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-10T20:00:06+00:00

Tbh I would have adored the first book as a teen, I know it. The sequels probably not so much. It has the same mopey gothic vibe of a lot of romantic fiction that was around in the 70s.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-10T19:51:31+00:00

What did they ban r/detrans? But that was such a good place for questioning young people to work out what they wanted! It wasn't GC really and did not oppose transition!!

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-09T22:37:14+00:00

It's pretty transphobic to say a self-described trans person isn't really trans just because they don't fit the victim mould.

If we must believe transwomen, then yes we must accept Jessica Yaniv and Karen White.

Or if these people don't count then resume gatekeeping, because women and girls are victims of these people abusing.self-ID.

You can't have both unless you're willing to throw females under the bus.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-09T22:29:56+00:00

Surely anyone aware of Jazz Jennings can see that kid is being exploited regardless of their stance on child transition? If there's something any teen does NOT need it's a reality show in which people focus on their genitals and sexual function for all the world to see. That show has surely backfired and Jazz is the collateral damage.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-09T22:23:48+00:00

Don't know but that's what people said about it.

I looked and looked but was clearly viewing a different GC than they were.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-09T08:44:35+00:00

Transvestites never said they were women though. Larping as, part time, yes, but not Actual Women like they do now.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-09T08:43:42+00:00

SIGH.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-09T08:43:26+00:00

Yeah, the only way to do it respectfully is to make the movie NOT about the transitioning process, which to my mind seems fine. You can have a trans actor playing a trans character who is wandering about the place living a life, not a trans character whose sole character trait is "Is Trans" and whose entire storyline is "Is Trans, Transitions". I've seen indie type shows where trans actors are cast as trans characters - usually not the main character - and it's just incidental that they are trans.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-09T08:41:09+00:00

Same. It was considered horribly viciously transphobic because ... some women said transwomen were men, I think. That's about as bad as it got. No use of horrible slurs (I guess some of them don't like TIM and TIF though), no wishing harm on anyone....

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-09T08:38:01+00:00

What is that revolting flair????

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-08T04:49:32+00:00

The things that struck and saddened me about the Pique Project's videos were that the girls were all kinda-dorky lesbian teens who a) saw that transboys got lots of girl attention at school, which of course they wanted too, and b) that tranbsboys on YouTube seemed to have life all figured out with their transition plans, and they felt drawn to such a clear roadmap of how to navigate their tumultuous teenage lives.

The saddest part was the way two of them now laughingly talk about how they bonded as young "gay transmen" over the fact that they had both crushes on girls but that was just because of "compulsory heterosexuality".

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-08T04:43:05+00:00

She was WOEFULLY miscast though.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-08T04:40:13+00:00

On the terven side, I would be inclined to reshape some of the arguments so they highlight the focus on science.

For instance, rather than saying "intersex is an anomaly, they are stlll either male or female" I would try something like "intersex people are always either male or female, with developmental differences that can affect the way their body expresses its sex. They are not the same as trans people."

"Biological sex is is complicated but all humans, even those with variations, can be grouped into two groups, those whose bodies normally produce small gametes (sperm) and those whose bodies normally produce large gametes (eggs)".

Or whatever the proper science is.

Then you don't get the issues with "binary" being also tied to gender.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-08T01:19:12+00:00

This CAN'T be legit. It reads like something from KiwiFarms.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-07T23:03:06+00:00

9f course it had been invented. I knew transsexuals in the 80s, people were writing about them in the 70s and gay people a shade older than Crisp called themselves inverts. There have always been some people who felt this way.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-07T21:54:53+00:00

Great stuff.

I gather thiugh that shortly before he died Quentin Crisp did say he was trans. Because people had explained it to him and it made sense.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-07T21:10:25+00:00

Yeah there is no way she would be publicly GC and privately she'd have to be very moderately so at best.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-07T21:07:45+00:00

Maybe her partner has come out as trans and that's why she's gay now...

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-07T19:59:03+00:00

A lot has changed in the past couple of years though. I doubt those men would escape chastisement if they announced they were considering those roles today either.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-07T00:54:39+00:00

Is it not being made neutral for FTM/NB women?

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-06T23:09:20+00:00

Isn't she a pal of Contrapoints?

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-06T23:08:10+00:00

Well I guess there are blue collar trans people too. But the heaviest emphasis is on trans which is interesting.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-06T19:50:04+00:00

Question. Why does this poster separate trans rights from LGBTQIA+?

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-06T19:47:31+00:00

Yeah they should have for sure.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-06T05:54:07+00:00

Good point. Why are women's self reports invalid here but not in cases of sexual abuse for instance?

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-06T05:38:29+00:00

This gave me the laugh I sorely needed today.

I wonder how old the person who posted it is.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-06T05:36:23+00:00

The fundamental block is that accepting this requires you to view transwomen as men, and nobody "kind" wants to do that. It's the place where radfems and TRAs cannot find common ground.

But common ground is the only way forward. What to do??

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-06T00:10:35+00:00

Seeing skirted garments as innately feminine is western centric also. They should consider that.

Thatstealthygal · 2020-07-06T00:09:29+00:00

High heels do do these things to a degree but they were originally worn by noblemen.... do you think they served the same purpose then?

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