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[–]jkfinn 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Women have always been the original Other. Feminization, sexualization, demonization (original sin), inferiorization accomplish that. Racism and class-ism are modeled on sexism. Yes, TiMs, by calling women cis are not only confirming Other, but deepening it, while having the balls to appropriate "other" for themselves.

Yes, yes. Edward Said's "Orientalism" should have definitely been required reading for r/GC because every time I tried to fill out Islam's background, and the west's Islamic racism, I was downvoted into the nether regions and always was forced to self-censor.

[–]RoundFrog[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You put it better than I did. It’s really sad that people (especially women) can’t see othering done to them and how it has such strong yet sly impacts. It’s a huge part of misogyny and yet it’s rarely talked about. I agree about Islam, the west is incredibly islamophobic.

[–]sisterinsomnia 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I see this as a little different from the othering that applies to women all the time but which we tend not to see because it is built into the culture (i.e., a male politician's stupid comment only affects himself, a female politician's stupid comment is a reflection about all women, an asshole man not wearing a covid mask is just an asshole, an asshole woman doing the same is an example of a wider group of middle-aged white women, all already called "Karens"). In other words, seeing women as largely an undifferentiated mass or at most such a mass with some lumps, while seeing men as individuals except in those cases where men's rights are discussed.

If you read on trans rights sites you will learn that the so-called cis (sic!) women are privileged people because they don't have to transition, and then this idea is generalized so that suddenly cis women are actually privileged everywhere in their lives over all transgender and nonbinary people. Caitlyn Jenner, then, is instantly less privileged than some poor woman of color, say, because Jenner had to transition.

And cis men and women are equally privileged! Because the word "cis" just means what everyone thought of as women in general, the trans rights sites argue that what used to be called "women" is a privileged group. The most unprivileged women, then, are those who grew up with male privilege.

So I'd add that cis women are othered in a different way, by being turned into those with excess privilege.

[–][deleted] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You’re right, I think this is different. It’s an othering that’s specifically violent and calls for our erasure, eradication of our rights.

[–]Thatstealthygal 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Weren't we always?

[–]RoundFrog[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, I should have phrased it differently. Rather that “cis” is like a new form of othering that worsens the othering of women that has always been around