Amazon commercial saying "people who identify as female" are oppressed in stem

WrongToy · 2020-12-16T20:52:19+00:00

Sixty five questions. I got through 17 before I gave up.

No i can't do spatial relations, but if i did it wouldn't make me a man any more than my sister is. No I don't read faces or remember them all that well, which is what I guess men do. I have never been turned on by my own body so what kind of question is this.

I am an adult female human with a female reproductive system, and that is what makes me a woman.

If someone has a male reproductive system, they're at best a male living as a woman.

WrongToy · 2020-12-16T17:59:42+00:00

OVarit's response

https://ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/12170/the-secret-internet-of-terfs-a-rebuttal-from-ovarit

WrongToy · 2020-11-22T06:09:40+00:00

Yes. Like our now vice-president elect.

The fact is that the only thing that stands between the Biden/Harris prior commitment to the "Equality Act" is the same magas many of us don't like, or Republicans, or whatever. The Senate stays in their hands, they back off on this insanity, or at least let the conversation go forward into SCOTUS as will probably happen with Hecox.

I'm not going to sit here for one minute and think that there's one type of penis that doesn't matter from another type when it's there and present with me in a vulnerable state. I don't care if it's Blaire White or Jonathan Yaniv if I have to encounter it in a female setting, and I only respect Blaire more because they've established they would never do that. But the Jonathans will.

WrongToy · 2020-11-14T20:36:43+00:00

They have $3M in cash from the ffil's mom, who passed away at 103, to say nothing of the half of the house plus assets they received from her parents when they died prior. They just insist that they wanna be at home, by far their most expensive option, if they did it right.

SO tried spending the nights at his mom, with his brother's wife coming over during the day. Within 48 hours, there were heated calls with f-bombs flying between the two of them because she demanded of him a "day off" but did not wish to reciprocate by sending the brother, her husband, over there to spend the night.

Anyway that night was the first, and probably the only, night I spent at ILs, because 1) they'd removed the cat that i'm deathly allergic to (seriously, it's a 4 to 8 benadryl night after their holidays) and 2) crucially, there was supposed to be a Big Fambily Meeting including the fmil about maybe introducing a respite person.

I show up, and DIL is just like, "His mom has had a long day. This isn't a good time to talk."

Within a couple hours, I'm observing that she's up, eating, awake and alert, and talking to Daddy about their affluent town gossip and Mrs. So and So. Within a couple hours, I'd determined that this would be my last night there ever, or at least for a long while.

So when we had a moment alone, I pulled up my chair, and I'm like, "she's putting in 70 hours a week and he's hit maybe 102. They CAN'T relieve each other. What if either of them gets "flu symptoms"? It could be covid."

OMG, the just no part of her came out in force. Her first reaction was to say what she's paid for him, over the years, look I'll show you my checkbook. I'm like, it's not about that. The second reaction was her breaking into tears (she often does) and the third reaction was to banish me from the whole floor.

The next day, I wasn't there, but the DIL and her husband (his brother) were. The brother was tasked with conveying the DIL's severe displeasure by saying that I shouldn't have done that over her explicit instruction. His reply: "If she didn't do that, then Mom would be making YOU the fall guy. She's only going for having the hired help you've been looking into because SHE got mom to start thinking about it."

There was more conversation, which ended, reportedly, in the SO telling his brother to, quote, "fuck off."

Omg. The hired help the brother found was this lady who sort of knew some neighbors of hers, but she is very much into her Affluent Little Town. This lady is now tasked with working a straight 48 hour shift (to relieve DIL, whom I'll call Baby Jane) and then come in at night to "just sleep there" as the dad will be returning from stroke rehab with a withered right arm and hand at best. They fired SO from all the shifts they'd scheduled him for, because they found a rando off the street to work for $5 less, and less than $5 over legal minimum wage.

Thankfully I wasn't part of the discussion.

WrongToy · 2020-11-10T10:47:33+00:00

It is sweet that they want to be together! But they want to do it at home together. SO and his brother talked privately without his wife around, and they agreed that this situation could not go on for more than a month and/or until the ffil returns from the stroke place. If they want that at that time, they'll need professional assistance.

As an aside, i was asked to look up some prices for a comparative chart. The low end was SO working for $25/hour for 12-hour overnight shift--which works out to 9,000/month. The so and his mom talked between themselves, and she's committed to paying him for every hour he spends on them and not just that. afaik, the brother's wife is volunteering, so what they'd pay him would be it.

The high-end? Twenty-four hours of bonded CNA presence through an agency retaining them as an employee (thus avoiding client risk of them being hurt on the property) is over 36,000/month where I live. Going through care.com for an indie, about $29,000 per month.

And that's for one person. For two?

They are 1 percenters who like clipping coupons and talking about what insurance isn't paying for. But truth is, the option isn't for the family to be involved with this for long, not with two invalids needing 24 hour care. They need a skilled nursing facility in which they can both reside in the same room and comfort each other. They need med techs coming by to check their blood levels and vitals. The kids have successfully gotten the cat and the dog temporarily relocated and neither can return until the mom's chemo is done. The cost to stay home is absolutely insane if you're getting help for even one person on a 24 hour basis who at least is bonded and backgrounded. Let alone two.

WrongToy · 2020-11-07T06:08:23+00:00

I understand, and to me you've been an extremely important voice in the discussion.

I appreciate everyone's indulgence here, but I just had another screaming fight with SO.

He claims I do this every night. Well I am doing it every night, because since April 21, 2020, he has not had a job. He now feels that he has one with the fmil's "generous" offer of $25/hour for however long it takes. He says it's not going to take 12 hours. It'll take 11. And on top of this will be the things he feels he must do socially and during the day, which is blurring the lines further.

I said, you're not here for 18 hours a day, that will affect our relationship by the first of the year. (Actually, it already is.) It's not the 12, it's more the 18, which you're not being paid for, and which brings down the base rate to $16.50/hour with no real job and no insurance.

I said, we're supposed to be a team here, and you're not acting like it. If you are spending 18 hours there, you might as well be living there. Which is your choice. Look at just what happened today, you had to drive to the city to try to bring the undies and visit him, and apparently he didn't care enough to even put his eldest son on the list. Now our dinner is being cut short because it's 930 to 10 and he needs to take care of their totally optional animal, another hour.

That's your free eight today, right there. No, it doesn't help that you have your mom's card and that you bought your favorite food on it for today. He's like, this is super short-term, but there can't be deadlines. Until when exactly? Until she or DIL doesn't cry or throw a hissy?

The only thing i'm invested in here is him and us. Not their family of origin and specifically and actually not their optional tasks. Your rosebushes are encroaching on the sidewalk, well get your gardener that you already pay to do this. Their dog and their cat? They are optional animals. He does know that professional petsitters will take care of them for $30/day, but so far the ILs are just gifting them with money when they feel like--and even if that becomes more structured, that's still 18 hours out of our relationship.

i'm willing to be the bad guy in the situation, but I'm not willing to be relegated to a secondary component. If he actually wants to volunteer for their cat, their dog, their rosebushes, their friends or other optional tasks, i can't stop him. All those things interfere with the relationship that we're supposed to be cultivating.

WrongToy · 2020-11-07T04:17:54+00:00

I briefed SO on what his mother said to me, specifically that she believes she will be released as early as tomorrow, that said doctors themselves have opined she will probably be back in the hospital quite a few times. That she believes that he and DIL will collectively care for her needs, that while I appreciate I'm welcome, I don't really have a role so I expect my presence to be minimal.

He's like, we have to take it one step at a time. I'm like, you mean like Covid in February. He could blow up that plan of hers right now by calling her and saying he's out, but he's not going to have an excuse unless it's full time employment, which he is not making a priority. And he doesn't want to make her cry.

This woman grew up totally white privilege, was conventionally attractive in her younger days, and that's what she does, and that's what she expects. No one can say anything against her "emergencies" whether they genuinely are, or whether they are about the cat box having turds out of it that she needs so to clean up so she can resume "wanting to live." She'll just start bawling or screaming and they'll give her what she wants. The DIL is the same way.

SO is pissed, he thinks she is selfish, but how selfish she is is going to be something that he's going to have to figure out by himself. With him over there working for the equivalent of $16.50 per hour (assuming the 8 hour volunteering on top of the paid 12), I'd assume he wants to be better than that for our relationship. She is not going to be better fast for sure and i'm not going to opine that I want her to decline rapidly (although that is surely coming). She might "give" him money for a nice Valentine's Day dinner and if all this malarkey is still going on then, I'll give his ring back. Then or before then.

WrongToy · 2020-11-07T02:47:11+00:00

Frankly, I see them, or at least one of them, lingering for quite a while. They may piss and moan about how they'll just die without the other one because of emotional pain, but let's face facts, that alone doesn't kill most people.

Their whole goal is to be in their own house tended to by their fambily, of which they're even talking about paying only one. For them, there's no disadvantage in blowing up our relationship; it's not like they especially like me anyway, and the breakup would force SO into living with them, which is what I sense they want. Then they can pay him or not because hell it's a better part of a more expensive region anyway.

SO is saying that's not what he wants, that what he wants is to get a full time job when the "crisis" is over. The crisis is not going to be over just like Covid-19 was not going to be over in February. The choice for me is that if he pays up he gets the keys and he gets to keep his stuff here, but like if you're engaged there's supposed to be more than that. I'll start detaching if there's no time to the relationship.

WrongToy · 2020-11-07T01:29:54+00:00

DIL is not a biological daughter. She is his brother's former rehab partner that he met when they were in jail or diversion apparently. This woman has not worked a full-time shift since being with the brother, and is currently estranged from her whole family of origin, and is very invested in being the "housewifey" type. She is 65 but very sensitive about it, but we all know she is only a decade younger than the fmil.

The ils fronted their whole wedding and then their down payment for their house. The brother's previous marriage history was to a woman already pregnant with not his bio. The way ILs dealt with it was to encourage them to give up this child to their personal BFFs so they, the BFFs, could get the white infant that they desired and so they, the ILs, could feel good as "godparent" rather than desire to make the SO's sister by doing that themselves. That's philanthropy to them. Anyway after that BIL cleaned himself up and makes enough bank to support her with whatever her volunteering whims are.

I called fMIL when SO left just to see how she was doing and maybe broach the care home discussion. She has TWO types of cancer apparently, with one being tied to why she's in the hosp now (the pain). But she's so confident that DIL and SO will just go take care of her. I asked her about the didy and she was like, well DIL will take care of it (for free). I can't imagine she'd ask SO (who she said a couple days ago would be paid but he wants nothing to do with that part of it) so I see no reason to really go over there, because she said.

The situation was hopeless, so rather than escalate I just cracked a couple of generic hospital jokes, like how the cable sucks there and so do the TVs and how football is doing. That's my latest diversion tactic, when things get too political or personal, you can just talk sports.

This is really going to be a decision for SO. I will expect the full amount of rent, plus his arrears, to come in whether he chooses to stay there or not. She just told me I am unneeded for her, and therefore he needs to sleep alone in his HS bedroom, with his 37-year-old football trophies, and decide for himself if he would prefer that to an actual relationship and an actual job.

WrongToy · 2020-11-07T00:47:13+00:00

I waited until SO was gone and then I called fmil for a supportive chat.

Really, it was supportive. I told her that we'd bought this flannel snap front housecoat because I heard she was cold. I breached, very cautiously, the issue of how if SO dropped her (or him) it would kill SO and she's like, "Oh that would never happen." She thinks that she can take care of the diaper by herself and if she can't, then DIL will be along.

She divulged that the pain in her back is probably caused by one of the two forms of cancer that she has. I was only aware of one, but whatever.

Then she pipes up with "well the doctors say I can go home." Oh rly. What can I say, I suggested that if it's possible to give us 12, 24 hours. She's also divulged that the doctors also told her she'd be in the hospital for a few more times.

She insists on this, because a hospital is not the dreaded nursing home, and she will be discharged soon enough eventually to the arms of her loving DIL who never has had employment and whose whole existence is being Martha Stewart for her DH and now them, and her unemployed son (which they're supposed to be paying to be there, $25/hr x 12 x 30, that's $9,000 month. Which, frankly, I will expect $2,500 of, because that's about what's come out of my bank account while sponsoring these pandemic delays. Assuming that first month will come at all.

Let me say also that when he was getting the sweet pandemic benefits, the trump eo benefits, all those monies rapidly disappeared because he was paying the harbormaster for his boat. And making sure he paid his storage. He wants to have that shit, that's totally independent and I got stiffed over it.

A month of him sleeping by himself in an attic bedroom last occupied by him in HS 37 years ago might wake him up. Or not. I don't do the housewife thing at all. I'm extremely bad at the domestic arts and not interested in them at all.

I don't feel the need to go sleep with him at that place beyond extremely occasionally, because she's told me herself that she can do her didy and if that's an issue then the hero DIL will do it. Fine then he can deal with his mom's wet diaper at 2 in the morning after assisting her and hoping he doesn't break her or calling 911. Or the ffil at that point.

She's made it clear I don't have a role here beyond the emotional support of SO, whom they would gladly welcome into the fold as a 18, a 24 hour dogsbody because they can offer him the room he lived in "rent free." And frankly, that's because unlike DIL I am not willing to volunteer for free, nor am I'm not interested in being a storage unit. If he's not going to be here ever then he can get his shit out and over to their house and she will cry about how unsightly it is and how it takes up backyard space. I really do not give a shit right now.

I'm not the one who needs their housing or their food. If he's invested in living there over having a relationship, better to know now than later, I guess.

WrongToy · 2020-11-06T23:02:18+00:00

It does not sound shitty. It's the eventuality for all of us. Both their kids are childless so there's not going to be "someone there to care for us."

Half the time when they call, they are mute about what's going on with them personally, but they want us to check on, bring things to, the other one. They have made it abundantly clear that when one of them goes, the other one will wish and will that they were dead too. That is seriously their plan--there's no plan for them to be separate from each other.

None of them are willing to discuss the obvious option of being placed for some months in the same care facility, where they could share a room, watch each other, and encourage each other in the process of rehabilitation or getting better. They want to do that at home and so far, they are doing it without paying anyone.

I'll last maybe weeks in this situation before boundaries will be put up. SO, if you're not here to further our needs as a team, then really do you want to rent here when they're going to "give" you your 1982 hs room for free? You really want to go down that track for three years, 10 years?

WrongToy · 2020-11-06T22:48:26+00:00

I largely agree, and I'm trending toward just letting him do what he wants to "help out." I'll go with him for the first couple nights, maybe, to see how it goes but at 8 a.m. I am out of there. No I'm not interested in sticking around and having DIL's home-cooked breakfast and hanging around until lunchtime or later to trim their rosebushes or visit their dog or watch for their packages for free, even though DIL is set and is doing that for free. It's all work to me. If SO wants to go back and be bossed around by the DIL on a volunteer basis.

We see, in our neighborhood, so many cases of emotionally stunted men who moved in with, or never left, their mother's house. Many of these men are our age. If he prefers to be one of them, there's nothing I can do about it, but if he wants to retain keys to the house he'll have to pay the rent to do that. Love does not conquer all, sweetie.

So the newest, and the summary, of today is that fmil is calling him, mentioning that now there's a problem with the knee that renders her nonambulatory, but the main reason is that he's supposed to see ffil (it's his BIRTHDAY after all) and bring more underwear because he is soiling them, allegedly because the stroke place has him on a puree diet. Has anyone ever vomited stomach contents before? It looks like puree and that is not the reason he is incontinent. His stroke is.

I'm just going to wait a month or two for people to come to the same conclusions. They are both currently incontinent at times. Neither of them can walk with any reliability. They sure as hell can't drive. If hero DIL wants to do it for free, that's her issue. If SO invests an extra 8 in volunteering, it is on him.

SO kinda gets it, he wants to snuggle with me at night, he wants to hang around and decompress. The truth is that at minimum, he will have to cough up the rent to stay here, all of it, and not just the discounted rate that's he's further opted in by discounting it another $75. If that money is not forthcoming, then we go back to a dating relationship where he calls me before, knocks for me to let him in, and gets them to pay for all the stuff he has here, or he stores it at their place.

WrongToy · 2020-11-06T21:09:20+00:00

Complicating the issue is that this family is very genderist. The FMIL and DIL have not worked full-time during their marriages. FMIL's job was to take care of FFIL by being the housewife. That too is a role that the DIL is comfortable in.

They expected me to do that too, and I'm not. I'm actually very terrible and have no interest in the routine domestic stuff at all.

WrongToy · 2020-11-06T15:00:35+00:00

Oh I have asked this on that subreddit. Many times. More than a few people have said that I should just dump my fiance over this and get on with my own life free of his family. I'm not quite at that point yet.

Our relationship was pretty OK until he lost his job. It's attractive that at least the fmil understands that we need money and the only way she gets what she wants--coming home--is if he/we get paid to afford to "help out." However, with the latest developments here, I am seriously wondering how dangerous this plan is.

We do not know how to lift a vulnerable person. The house has not been retrofitted in any way beyond a handheld showerhead and a bath railing--there's no lift and no outside railings for example. The one thing I can do that SO won't is clean his mom up if there's an incontinence issue and she can't--assuming of course that she can get situated on a bed or chair or toilet first. Which is in doubt.

The mom is in hospital because she caught something from the cat. During our collective phone call, it was revealed that she would be at home, at earliest, Saturday, so don't worry about it for now.

I'm sorry, what? The cat and the dog need to be out of there today then, and there need to be hazmat-certified individuals to go through the house and deep clean it. Not DIL's personal servants, but certified individuals who'll also deal with the hepa filters. How is the house supposed to be ready?

She is on IV diluadid because the oxys and the roxies she has at home aren't cutting it for the pain. The bossy DIL is like, "it could just be a hairline fracture" as if that's trivial and we, the fambily, will just have to "help more" because the most important thing is fmil's feelings, and her feelings are that she'd rather be sick at home and/or die at home surrounded by fambily.

The survival rate for her form of cancer, advanced as it is, is 67 percent overall provided she can tolerate the chemo. For the jnffil, the stroke social worker said the vast majority are released within three weeks to go home, which I assume means being able to eat and do bathroom things yourself.

So as far as they might live? It might be three months. It might be three years. Or 10.

WrongToy · 2020-11-01T00:18:07+00:00

Since Oberfell, I kind of wonder what rights LGB are missing out on as the high court cases have involved wedding cakes and having religious foster-adopt agencies refuse to consider them.

Well women are routinely refused to be considered at religious hospitals if they need abortion care, so they go to somewhere that does. And if someone refused to do my wedding cake party there's like 20 other people that will.

This isn't oppression. These are ridiculous first-world situations of "microaggression" and "not validating my intersectional existence."

Males being allowed to observe females stripping and then competing with them, that's oppression. Males being put in actual prison or dv shelters with females, that's oppression. There's a thread somewhere here about how them cutting their dick off is oppression, well buddy that's the price of the pool because we're not here to see your shenis, no matter how dysphoric you feel about it.

I don't get why we have to care about transwomen at all. I have nothing in common with them as I'm a female.

WrongToy · 2020-10-31T16:09:08+00:00

You answered the question with the edit.

WrongToy · 2020-10-30T05:32:11+00:00

Years back there was talk about making it LGB only.

since all the orgs are now tttt it failed.

WrongToy · 2020-10-30T04:09:08+00:00

i don't either. but i also don't want trump.

jfc what a world in which we're looking to freaking Amy Coney Barrett and Brett Kavanaugh to actually put a stop to this...for the same reasons they want to stop abortion.

WrongToy · 2020-10-29T04:03:23+00:00

Yeah. This is basically correct. The BCHRT was especially lenient with Yaniv even after he'd been uncovered by the Economist for crying out loud.

Remember how many of us got banned off every social media platform for mentioning him? Calling him a him? Using the deadname that's STILL part of his legal name?

I digress. Anyways Yaniv tried going to bchrt with two more waxing complaints, jccf got involved and yaniv withdrew those. He also withdrew one he had against Bill whatcott. The pageant claim was actually made around fall 2019, and how it differs is that it doesn't involve the bchrt.

Ontario's hrt can easily nip this in the bud by just requiring his presence. Toronto's an expensive city and JYS was just there with Mama Yaniv chasing down a freaking catfish. Rebel Media was there and the catfish eventually sent every goddamn text message, voice and video to Meowmix.

I gotta tip my hat to MM. They started out on freaking wordpress.com and I just thought uh-oh, they're going to be like gendertrender. But they had all their shit backed up and migrated successfully to a platform that yaniv can't get to them on.

WrongToy · 2020-10-29T03:55:19+00:00

gut tissue will never feel like a vag. Or a penis for that matter.

WrongToy · 2020-10-29T03:09:48+00:00

You can sue someone without a lawyer or represent yourself, just like in the states. This thing jy filed isn't even a suit but one or both sides can get lawyers.

Yaniv does his actual court filings by claiming poverty (despite owning a condo) and demanding huge amounts. He succeeds rarely in getting a 2000 settlement or something so that incents him to sue or file complaints against, let's see, his mom and his hoas, the township he lives in, another beauty pageant besides this, at least two other waxing salons, re-suing the original waxers that he had to pay 6 grand to.

Eventually people started suing him. Rebel media did over two of their journos getting beaten and have a criminal case ongoing. Amy Hamm did when he falsely alleged that she was taking pictures of him in a toilet in the women's. When the shoe's on the other foot, Jon needs a lawyer and a real one, not just someone who'll write a letter.

WrongToy · 2020-10-28T01:38:48+00:00

Anyways all, there's a site called meowmix.org that's cataloguing all of the Yaniv follies. (Oh btw they call themselves Jessica Simpson, that is one of said follies).

WrongToy · 2020-10-28T01:35:34+00:00

He got Donald Trump Jr to reply to this. https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/1320777658427449344

That's what he wants as was seen when he got the same reaction from Carlson and then trump jr over the ballwaxing last July.

WrongToy · 2020-10-20T23:08:27+00:00

Yeah, gc didn't allow it unless you archived per the old rule 8 so clicks wouldn't be sent to them.

Frankly I think that's at the lowest of our concerns at the moment, but whatever.

WrongToy · 2020-10-20T03:15:45+00:00

So Ovarit dropped the old GC Rule 8, it seems.

WrongToy · 2020-10-18T21:59:16+00:00

It was "Just Want Privacy" at UW in 2016. The YT used to be live but you can still see remnants of it.

Kaeley got shouted down. Ben-Shalom got more attention because she was the first military drill sergeant and carries an intimidating appearance, but the TRA crowd really quieted down when they brought on a detransitioned female and her girlfriend.

WrongToy · 2020-10-18T21:56:07+00:00

I might say that it might be that she is trans, or it might be a whole bunch of other things. There's really no hurry to figure it out.

WrongToy · 2020-10-18T16:42:37+00:00

yeah, they came on with miriam ben shalom in that UW debate that ended up being a shitshow in 2016.

WrongToy · 2020-10-17T14:02:04+00:00

So I posted the yt about child transing in the political annex board where we discuss these things (I am the only woman there on the regular) and this happened

Tim:

I'm only going to say this once, after which I will no longer dignify the nonsense with a response.

Puberty blockers would have given me a life.. I didn't have that option available to me, but I would give anything to have had it.

Puberty blockers prevent the start of puberty, which is NOT permanent. It does give younger trans people the chance to figure themselves out. Depriving young transitioners of blockers IS abuse. Forcing irreversible body changes in the form of an incongruent puberty is not only abuse, but leads to life long self esteem issues, public humiliation, a very real lack of romantic opportunities, job, housing, and other forms of discrimination and abuse.

LIFE LONG.

You, to be perfectly honest, are the reason 41% is a well known statistic. You pump out these fake anecdotes and fake studies to push a violent agenda against the most marginalized people in society. Your rhetoric is both ignorant and dangerous and if I wasn't fortunate to have a very loving and supportive family, I wouldn't be here because of the type of $h!t you keep pumping out.

And then this happened from another poster:

Wow, you're just winning people over right and left here. Attack and name-call and claim uber-victimhood privilege. In your case, maybe more justified than many others, maybe not. Label everything YOU don't agree with, or that doesn't match your personal experience as FAKE.

Then you try to guilt others with the 41% number, as if THEY are somehow personally responsible. So, it's all <wrongtoy's> fault? Nasty tactic to shut down dialogue. But then, it's becoming clear you don't want dialogue, you want trans dogma. For those who don't know, 41% represents the percent of respondents to a National trans Discrimination Survey who said they had attempted suicide at some point in their lives. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27380151/

OK, so you're not able to sustain any sort of civil conversation other than give trans advocates a blank check on anything and everything they ever say. You yourself seem to be guilty of the extremely narrow minded rhetoric you presume to accuse others of. My concern is that it seems there is an "industry" developing around "transitioning", in particular targeting socially vulnerable teen girls, and in particular, targeting autistic teen girls. Problem being that a self-interested capitalistic industry is more concerned with its own near-term prosperity than the long-term well-being of any particular human it purports to serve. This article is one discussion of the issue. https://nypost.com/2020/06/27/how-peer- ... sitioning/ and is written by the author of this book: https://www.amazon.com/Irreversible-Dam ... B07YL6XK55

The TIM has already called me a TERF but that poster above is just a white guy and he hasn't said anything.

SMH but maybe the message is getting out. Or maybe it isn't. This person like most providing gc thoughts is a conservative.

WrongToy · 2020-10-17T04:55:48+00:00

Any proTRA parent will seize on this as saying they need medical interventions for their kid to be trans or the kid will kill themselves.

WrongToy · 2020-10-15T02:19:20+00:00

This thread is excellent

https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/transphobic-lesbian-website-refuses-to-allow-referring-to-women-as-cis.3904227/page-3

WrongToy · 2020-10-14T14:01:33+00:00

Thanks! I've posted that to my ongoing discussion elsewhere. Not sure how many views it'll get among males however.

WrongToy · 2020-10-14T02:32:09+00:00

Not unless the kids get access to their true IDs at age 18 so they can look them up if they want.

It's not about you. It's about them and their conditions they might be at risk for, for one, that only the bio parent can provide.

WrongToy · 2020-10-13T21:01:46+00:00

No shit? This is my team and I've been arguing it with people on an indy board.

The most abuse--by this I don't mean disagreement but actual personal crap--has been among liberal males.

My SO is himself a Biden voter and we put up a Trump for Prison sign, but he's not even in the group of people who feel that saying the c-word to a woman who infuriates them is ok. This one guy has also issued slurs toward, let's see, Blacks, Natives, Asians and even yes the t-word.

This is from someone who had no opinion on the matter what, two or three weeks ago.

Way I see it is that both sides are developing a cult mentality here and the liberal side, particularly MEN, are more rude about it.

WrongToy · 2020-10-13T15:07:18+00:00

It's the fiction that they CAN produce children by themselves. No you can't, you get an egg from one anonymous woman, fertilize it and then stick it into the body of another anonymous woman relegated to being an EZ-bake for you so you won't be bugged or have "competition" for them.

It's not like a lot of kids won't want to know in adulthood, no matter how much WUV you gave them.

WrongToy · 2020-10-12T19:10:53+00:00

Tell me about it, I've been calmly laying out the fact for woke techbros about the Seattle Seahawks getting canceled and they all think it's exactly the same as being racist. Or in that case, even worse.

I have been told Kung Flu is funny (on this site) and I've been called the c-word and b-word and w-word on this site by a white guy who actually has said in public that my suggesting he has a "small one" is exactly the same.

My only allies in this? Trumpsters. Conservatives. Libertarians. Pretty much just them. It's like the progressive mind is just a borg, particularly the male mind. They don't even SEE the consequences of Kamala desperately broadcasting "she/her" on her Twitter when Biden is not doing that. They don't even care that the California prison system is going to start admitting all these TIMs or people who say they're TIM to a women's prison. There are only two in California versus 31 male ones so what are they going to do, just make them co-ed?

I wasn't a mod at GC but I knew several, and their thing every day would be banning numerous TRA nuts that came in despite the fact we weren't debate sub. They would not let us have one place for us on our own. Even here I dealt with someone who'd been banned like four times and I told him fine, here's your open thread, you have your conversation and you go away. Guess what, I had to ban him 20 more times after.

I don't know if you twitter Ngo, but the same phenom is seen there.

WrongToy · 2020-10-12T03:12:10+00:00

I'm pretty sure Glinner got banned from Twitter some time back. Transphobia.

WrongToy · 2020-10-11T18:03:38+00:00

Because he insulted Woman 2.0, that's why.

Totes fine to insult Women 1.0 however.

WrongToy · 2020-10-10T06:24:45+00:00

Oh, I have.

This is saying that QB Russell Wilson could just identify as the lesbian partner of Ciera or that Lockett is the first "woman" receiver ever.

WrongToy · 2020-10-08T19:29:28+00:00

Whoa, there's actually any state that disallows women from having ivf?

WrongToy · 2020-10-08T06:27:23+00:00

i used to say that without a definition of woman, there can be no women's rights.

Party A is OK with the definition, they're just not ok with the rights. Party B thinks the rights are ok but the definition is not.

WrongToy · 2020-10-07T22:54:30+00:00

She is free to call Blaire a biological male if she feels like it and use whatever pronoun she wishes.

We're not here for trans-apologetics.

WrongToy · 2020-10-07T22:41:00+00:00

i have respect for bw because they did this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnhnShhxfhQ&t=1230s

WrongToy · 2020-10-07T19:35:47+00:00

I know. They can get pregnant from artificial techniques as well. Hence what I said, most women.

WrongToy · 2020-10-06T21:16:38+00:00

This is a woman who got pregnant through PIV like most women ever...

WrongToy · 2020-10-04T18:56:31+00:00

He had his chance to make his case here but like Yaniv, he's just an oxygen thief.

WrongToy · 2020-10-04T18:54:12+00:00

Yeah I agree. I tried. He's just like 90 percent of the TIMs on the Internet. No boundaries at all.

Just report this guy from now on.

WrongToy · 2020-10-04T03:03:19+00:00

He keeps coming back saying he wants an honest discussion. Here's the place he can have it.

All about how "science" says it's not at all about the genitals and how we're 'genital fetishists." All about the whataboutism about are infertile women women and so forth. All his anime shit. He wants to vent, he can do it right here and then he can go away.

WrongToy · 2020-10-03T23:55:35+00:00

In 99 out of 100 scenarios i'd agree with you.

In this case i think like a handmaid's tale ass kicking is in order, for anyone who wished to do that, and by popular request.

WrongToy · 2020-10-03T17:28:30+00:00

If someone somewhere wants to indulge someone who's got a total boner for promoting a site about sex robots and transhumanism and trannymaxxing, they can go for it.

WrongToy · 2020-10-01T03:02:38+00:00

Here's where debate content goes: https://saidit.net/s/gcdebatesqt

I'm not a mod there and don't know their rules, but would not be surprised if they banned this guy for being an obvious troll.

WrongToy · 2020-10-01T02:08:50+00:00

I see your point, but...we're not the debate sub.

WrongToy · 2020-09-29T23:53:40+00:00

This is insane and so offensive.

When I first heard of the phenom of tifs, i was going into the hospital for cancer surgery. What I didn't know was that I'd be put on the same floor as delusional TIFs (which is bad) but also biological males who had their SRS. I mean, it was so fucking delightful to get a Diluadid shot to get up and into a walker so I could shuffle halfway down a hospital hallway with my ass hanging out of a hospital gown. I'm sure they could so relate. NOT.

Do I enjoy not having reconstructed "breasts" that are there only in form? I don't. I can feel nothing in them five years later. Like the other day I caught an ember in them and was confused as to whether it was hot. For the rest of my life it'll be like this because it was a life-or-death physical condition and not just something that people threaten to kill themselves over if they can't have.

WrongToy · 2020-09-28T05:58:27+00:00

It depends on facility. They'll generally house TIMs separately if they request. It should actually be the first-line option. Like I said, even now, there are trans dorms and even units already. In male prison.

So why push it? I mean, why did Michaele Norsworthy (the murderer who got srs out of SQ in 2015) push it? He was already at San Quentin, which despite its reputation is a model of prison rehab. Their media projects are advised by journo professors at Cal and Columbia, and they have been Pulitzer finalists. People from Google come out to train people to code. The Warriors have recruited from their namesake prison team. Its firefighters are trusted in not just the village (guards) but southern Marin in general. It has a dedicated and accredited college.

And one of the journos wrote about how, actually, TW are very accepted at San Quentin among this population of men who are all trying to do their program so that they can get good time and get released.

Most long-termers there are lifers with dates like this guy had. But no, that wasn't enough. He needed to be with actual women.

After a long-term battle--which "she her" Kamala fought for the state--it was determined that the state would have to pay for his bottom surgery, after which he'd get sent to Chowchilla, or Chino.

The tools of rape, or at least some crucial ones, were removed from the murderer's body at his request. Spendy, but a better line than saying any intact male can just identify right into Chowchilla, no srs, no hormones, no wig or whatever required...like it makes a difference anyway.

WrongToy · 2020-09-28T03:52:46+00:00

Ah yes, Truvada, the first antiviral that cleared viral loads so they "couldn't be transmissible during sex!" Ah yes, you can't imagine what happened in the porn industry when TIMs with the virus started saying, "Baby I'm clean you're just being transphobic!"

The HIV rate in San Francisco is 30 percent higher in TIMs than gay men! Who knows if they're taking their meds any more than any woman's supposed to know their dick is somehow magically inert at all times and that all inert dicks are magically unharmful? We're all supposed to take people's word for it who have more than their share of personality disorders and other psychiatric ailments?

Yep, otherwise we're just "denying their humanity."

This is the world in which Weiner lives.

WrongToy · 2020-09-28T03:38:38+00:00

From about 2002-2010, they'd routinely segregate prisoners into two broad groups: the general population--who used to be segregated by race both by their own assertion and assisted by the staff--and the "special needs population" who could not choose whom to room with. The SNY population included gays, trans and especially gang dropouts. In contrast, California's two female prisons have never had an sny yard.

Anyways, around 2012 they decided that because people sort of behaved in Sny, they should expand that model to GP. They were under court order anyway for the racial...so that spurred a movement to integrate everyone for any reason by unit as much as possible.

WrongToy · 2020-09-28T03:04:27+00:00

This is what's supposed to happen according to Prison Rape Eradication Act of 2002, revised twice through 2012.

A person is supposed to present themselves to medical for a general checkup. If the genitals are observed, they may be noted, but noting the genitals themselves cannot be the primary purpose of the checkup.

Body cavity physical searches are infrequent. i'm not sure but wouldn't be surprised if a female guard's duties included looking up men's asses,

I would hope it would be different for the women, for very obvious reasons. There are only two prisons in california that are fully female; another is about 1/4 by floor. There used to be three, but one shut down and males were moved into it.

WrongToy · 2020-09-28T01:51:40+00:00

Having read a bunch about prisons, specifically CDCR, for about 20 years now here's my opinion of what's going on.

It's a lot harder to be a gay masc male than a trans in most of CDCR. The whole idea of sexuality is that one is somehow weak or indebted and needs protection, and those who protect want favors, not just sex, but trad "housewife" duties like washing their undies out and keeping the cell sparkling. This is because it makes it better, or less gay, for said hetero dominant males to have sex with them, and that always occurs with them doing the penetrating.

Once one gets caught up in this as the subservient, the word gets out and pretty soon prison survival becomes about the weaker doing sexual favors and conforming to the worst of female gender stereotypes. Of course, if they continue to be indebted this cycle will only continue.

Add to this the males, often older, who simply don't want to hypermasc any more. At a typical male prison, that behavior is required--everyone is required to know where the yard shanks are. Everyone's required to go to battle. That is not true in female prisons, where inmates tend to group up in a "street family" structure versus racial gangs.

So they have problems. But women are not the solution or escape to these problems just because other men have a problem with them.

WrongToy · 2020-09-28T00:34:05+00:00

They have them. San Quentin, Folsom, RJD, pretty sure Corcoran. The plum location though is Mule Creek State Prison in Ione. Probably half the population there is "gender-divergent" as it is.

if this was a safety issue they would have just made plans for DVI to stay open for another year and put them there or Ione. But note that's not enough for the "women" to be put with their own. Nope, only being put with actual women will do.

WrongToy · 2020-09-27T23:12:56+00:00

Who cares what they say their gender is. The fundamental issue is whether they have a penis and balls, not how they identify.

I don't actually know whether female custodial staff is required to physically handle females. I do know that there are a lot of men in corrections and that they observe quite a bit as it is.

WrongToy · 2020-09-27T19:16:22+00:00

They'll need a space though for people who've done legit bad things that they can't let them out for...like the 42 murderers on Chowchilla death row. All the lifers there.

WrongToy · 2020-09-27T12:40:49+00:00

Sen. Scott Wiener, a Democrat from San Francisco who authored the bill, said he doesn’t expect that exception to be used very often.

“It’s just a false narrative about transgender people and about transgender women in particular that they’re somehow not really women and are just trying to scam their way into women’s bathrooms or facilities in order to do bad things,” Wiener said. “Overwhelmingly the people who are being victimized are trans people.”

Weiner, meet Jessica Yaniv. Or half of r/mtf. Or those dainty flowers swinging barbed wire bats at libraries while exhibiting shirts that say they "kill terfs."

i know that's too intersectional for your tiny head, the one over your shoulders here, so explain how more Yanivs wouldn't happen.

WrongToy · 2020-09-27T12:25:26+00:00

It's a Sophie's choice, isn't it. On one hand you have people like Newsom who would uphold abortion (but not enough to make abortion pills available on UC/CSU campuses) but are 100 percent for putting intact males into women's prisons for these males' safety.

On the other, you have Trump shooing in an actual Serena Waterford in Amy Coney Barrett. You ever see the Handmaid's Tale with the Elliott Stabler guy who has this huge mostly but not all white family and everyone's like, that's so awesome? That's exactly what I thought of hers when she trotted them up there. Barrett belongs to a cult that until 2017 called the women they had over other women "handmaids."

Either way, women's rights are being eroded and quite a few are becoming handmaidens to satisfy the whims and privilege of males.

WrongToy · 2020-09-22T22:04:07+00:00

Look, the more LGB candidates follow or are indebted to the trans view, the more that people will assume all lgb candidates are of that view. Until more come out against the trans view--and this is terrible--I have to assume their default is the trans view if they say anything remotely lgbt. Or have pronouns. Sorry,

WrongToy · 2020-09-22T00:46:45+00:00

Every commuter that doesn't take 280 will see it actually including all the peeps who clog the freeway from SF to Silicon Valley every day. it's really a primo location.

WrongToy · 2020-09-21T20:36:26+00:00

HA HA HA. That is not in San Francisco. That is in South San Francisco, a completely different county with much more balanced views on things.

The chances that they'll get it torn down went from maybe 25 percent to 5 percent on that alone.

Thanks for the info!

WrongToy · 2020-09-21T20:28:47+00:00

Should have done it in San Mateo, which is where wokesters go when they get old enough to have kids...most of them that is

WrongToy · 2020-09-19T20:08:15+00:00

Thank you Yish, one of my big inspirers from the old days...and among the ones who inspired me to chronicle Yaniv and earn a siteban on Reddit. WELL worth it!

WrongToy · 2020-09-19T16:31:43+00:00

Explain how the human race propagates itself. An XY impregnates an XX at the time of fertility. We used to call that males impregnating females.

WrongToy · 2020-09-19T15:36:28+00:00

Yes in a lame duck session. Murkowski and Collins have already said they disapprove of that and Romney is an ABT. That leaves it at 50/50 and if even one is a sen who was already deseated then there will be a crisis of proportions over a man contesting an election result and being able to appoint the person who could throw things.

WrongToy · 2020-09-19T01:37:13+00:00

Every single person in states with Republican senators has to vote them out in November. Good chance we can hold on till then...bad chance if the Senate remains majority GOP.

Forget Trump, we all know what we think about him...it's all about the sen GOP, whether they present as insane as them or not most will vote for a Trump nominee because, politics.

WrongToy · 2020-09-18T19:32:16+00:00

Said same men are flaying me now for saying transwomen are not women, they just want to have a pee.

How do I know that person isn't Jonathan Yaniv or anyone on womenarehuman.com?

Men are men and they don't get womaning, even those who attempt it. That's why I want male strangers far away when I'm vulnerable doing my business. Shame on these fucking TIFs for being viral mediators when the whole point was and will remain reinforcement by TIMs.

Males are designed to win and that's it.

WrongToy · 2020-09-17T13:25:03+00:00

'The deranged Rowling hate intensified this week after it was reported that her next Strike novel – the detective series she writes under the name Robert Galbraith – will involve a backstory about a man who dresses as a woman and then goes around murdering women. ‘Transphobia!’, the woke Twitterati predictably yelled."

Rowling did not say that character identified as trans, though. If men in dresses aren't supposed to be automatically trans, then why are they yelling transphobia?

WrongToy · 2020-09-17T11:50:10+00:00

No, don't start a thread about your TIM experiences. We don't want TIM AMAs here or TIM apologetics.

Just because we allow males and non radfems in a female-centered feminist space does not mean this space isn't about the latter.

WrongToy · 2020-09-17T11:42:21+00:00

My position is that I don't know you just like i don't know most people. I don't feel better about sharing the bathroom with you because you feel like you're really a woman inside if you still have male genitals. If you have male genitals then you are a bio male attempting to live as a woman, not an actual one.

We are radfem oriented and our focus is necessarily not on you, you have the whole internet to talk to and this is not the debate sub. Hopefully you'll just fade out so I don't have to ban you.

WrongToy · 2020-09-17T11:31:33+00:00

i'm sorry, there's a TIM here saying that? The sub doesn't exist for TIM apolgetics. can you report it?

WrongToy · 2020-09-17T05:16:23+00:00

When I was reproductive, I expected fully to attend to my own routine feminine hygiene by myself, or two times in my life asking a female coworker if they knew where the tampax was. Males have no business being involved unless invited to be via emergency. All males.

I'm not giving you fisheye because i'm not seeing you, males. I'm trying to get out of the bathroom before I have to get my SO in there to deal wth it, which he certainly would, and which wouldn't be ideal.

WrongToy · 2020-09-16T22:23:11+00:00

This ended, surprisingly, nicely. I went straight to the guy who owns it and told him, look, half your NFL viewership is women and it's it weird it's just one woman here? Not really when they're allowed to be called the c-word and the b-word! (I actually forgot about "whore" but it was so far over the top)

I then provided the link.

He sent me a mod invite and told me the other member was going to be handled.

WrongToy · 2020-09-16T21:08:09+00:00

Trans "men" to me are just pathetic, and I understand that pathos more in the way that they wanted to be free of the male gaze.

Folks, the way to do that is not to attempt to be part of the class. You think one gay guy in SF accepts you? Or even your work? Your binders, your mewling about mastectomies that people need for legit reasons like breast cancer?

I can't even talk to people who are still involved in that. I would deal with a active TIF on here exactly as i do with TIMs. They have certainly done more damage--Grimm, Stangio, Student A, whatever--they larp all over these trans lawsuits and they are the carriers. They are the viral facilitators. There is no place for an active transactivist TIF here just as there isn't for males.

WrongToy · 2020-09-16T21:01:52+00:00

Transactivism.

I will assure you until 2014 i never thought about a male being in a woman's can, let alone them being in a locker room. if they ever were, I assumed they lost the tools of rape on their body.

If they don't in my view, they are playacting about it.

WrongToy · 2020-09-15T21:26:08+00:00

Here's my personal take.

If they're fantastically postop and he has no experience then it's theoretically possible a guy be interested since they have the requisite parts.

If the trans person has a cock and so do they, that's by definition not straight. Not even in Blaire White's case, and they're about the most "passable" tw I've seen.

WrongToy · 2020-09-15T02:51:03+00:00

We don't need to assist them in any way, however.

Remember Jonathan Yaniv? He's still attempting to catfish children on TikTok while claiming transphobia. He still queries them about their cycle and what feminine products to use.

There's a scene i heard in this video with some girl getting her period and taking a selfie of it. That is strict Yaniv fap material right there. And Yan isn't the only one--we have mods here that used to be involved in the old gc/qt debate sub and one of those guys had a similar period fetish, would carry around pads/tampons in their purse in case 'anyone needs."

If some girl on her swim team has a crotch shot filmed inadvertently, she is still there for swimming. Not twerking. If said video got put on parents' FB group, I'd expect the parent-mods to immediately ban them. There should and is no excuse for it.

WrongToy · 2020-09-15T01:45:18+00:00

Y'all are triggering my memories of long ago Time magazine and my local paper going into how that was uncool at the time (1978). By 1982 however that same columnist was harping openly about how Shields was hot. Shields was 15 at the time.

I really dislike Shields, because when she came of age in 1985, she had a responsibility to step away from the "no one stands between me and my calvins" ads, not get more invested in them given that she was ONLY a celebrity because of her underage pedo-adjacent routine.

When Shields appeared in SVU as a grandma, I had to LOL. That woman has now had 37 years to acknowledge that what happened to her also affected an entire generation of young girls.

She has never acknowledged, let alone apologised.

WrongToy · 2020-09-14T20:35:20+00:00

Difference between a kid doing normie stuff in movies and kids doing what was seen in this movie.

WrongToy · 2020-09-14T01:37:24+00:00

Neither of those CP adjacent films needs to be anywhere near distribution. Nor endless love (ty to the one who pointed that out--one of many CP adjacent films I insisted on getting into since it was all the rage and I as a child hadn't grasped CP yet).

Their mention here is a historic artifact that does not need to be watched by a new generation, ever.

WrongToy · 2020-09-14T00:52:36+00:00

Men "deserve" a name.

Women however do not. Because ostensibly there could be "transmen" among them who could get pregnant.

TIFs are hurting women by being pawns in this situation. TIFs are the enablers, the receptors on which this particularly harmful notion intruded, and they are the trojan plaintiffs who bring 90 percent of those school suits, because everyone including you TIFs think you're just a girl trying to use the boy's room. Doesn't carry the same amount of moral hazard.

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