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[–]Greykittymomma 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I personally hate abortion but cases of rape or medical issues should never be questioned.

Also, I prefer to help women before they need that abortion, you know, education, contraception...

I hope I will never need one and I will never get one voluntarily and not going to lie I will judge someone depending on the situation. This has been an issue with friends. I don't celebrate bad decisions but I will always be there for a woman or defend her choice.

Choice doesn't mean no consequences. If you have had 3 abortions you are either very unlucky or stupid. I don't have a problem saying that at all.

[–]WrongToy[S] 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

I almost banned this, but let it stand so we could talk about some myths here.

First, I avoided pregnancy with 1980s technology, but many people did not. This still holds true today. You can go to the abortion subreddit, or multiple other social media, and you'll hear people getting pregnant with IUDs in them.

Second, there is no judgment of the situation. It's a hard and fast line. I do not wish to co-house my body with a parasite, albeit a potentially profitable one. I'm not here to make babies.

You know after a MA that seeing a visible fetus is not unheard of? The little feet, hands, eyes. It's probably a separate life. You know what? I don't care. It is a parasite and I, or any woman, has the right to be rid of it.

[–]slushpilot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Abortion is the best worst option. Not something one does for fun or feels proud of.

I agree with you. Postmodern activists have lost the plot, and after convincing institutions to call mothers dehumanizing terms like "birthing persons" people pushed back against ALL of it. Unfortunately the blowback will go too far on issues like this.

[–]WrongToy[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

I will say, through my reproductive career, that I was focused on one thing, and that was not being a handmaid.

If I didn't want it, and was fucked by having to incubate it, I'd try anything to get it out of me. And it that failed, I'd probably drink the shit out of myself, smoke a lot of pot, and do whatever substance as the other body in there is an involuntary parasite. It would become ward of the state at birth, and I would never hold it. If it came around 18 years later, I'd be like, I didn't want to have you and my medical information is thus private. You are not part of my family. Fuck off.

You treat me like a nonhuman, well I'm gonna act like one.

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

But is it it really accurate to characterize a human zygote/embryo/fetus as a parasite and to imply that all such organisms are parasites?

I know that different dictionaries give different definitions. But the definition of parasite that I always heard says/said it's a organism that lives within or off another, depriving the host of nutrients or resources at the expense of the host, without giving anything back.

I will say, through my reproductive career, that I was focused on one thing, and that was not being a handmaid.

Handmaid to whom/what?

[–]WrongToy[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, it certainly isn't symbiotic. At best, even normally, it requires a lot of physical shit, involving the actual birth process. I always thought that if I were trapped in that situation, that the birth would be literally like getting raped inside out.

[–]slushpilot 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

You and everyone you love were once somebody's parasite. So there's that, too.

[–]WrongToy[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's only not a parasite if you think it is not. IE, if you are invested in having a child, you'd have a psychological relationship that would make the physical downsides of even the birth worth it.

A fetus that a woman wishes not to be born is exactly that to that woman in regards to her bodily changes. if not desired, I cannot see how the childbirth would be less physical than rape. Just as wanted sex is not rape, unwanted sex surely is.

Same goes for pregnancy.