QT: Oli London (a British man) has come out as a "Korean woman". Can you explain how being "transgender" is any different than being "transracial"? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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Saying "transition" technology is just less effective for trans identified poeple is a big understatement. "Transition" is not possible because there is technology to actually change someone's sex. In order to do that, you'd need to change someone's sex chromosomes in their every cell and somehow undone the development of their reproductive system and trigger the devopment of the reproductive system of the opposite sex. Exogenous hormones and cosmetic surgeries can only provide supperficial changes, and the results of "medical transition" are often, particularly for trans identified males, not very convincing. It's not wonder that trans identified male athletes often experience a big boost after switching to women's leagues unlike trans identified female athletes who are far away from conquering men's sports.

QT: Oli London (a British man) has come out as a "Korean woman". Can you explain how being "transgender" is any different than being "transracial"? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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I don't know what motivates people like London beyond an unhappiness with their own bodies, but to me the way he talks about how he discovered his claimed "Korean" identity feels very simillar to the way trans identified people tend to talk about themselves.

I think if one accepts transgenderism as valid, it wouldn't be logical to reject transracialism. After all, unlike sex, race is actually a spectrum and there are far more biological differences between women and men than between people of different races. Culture is also malleable, again unlike sex, and can be learned, too. And much of what is understood by race rely on stereotypes made up to justify the domination of a group of people by another.

That said, I personally don't believe Oli London is Korean anymore than I believe Ellen Page is a man, i.e you cannot change your heritage anymore than you can change yoursex. Also, if "transracialism" became an accepted thing, I can see how racist people would use it in their own benefict and I understand why Korean people are entertained by his claims.

I don't think I'm qualified to say if there is such a thing as race dysphoria as a medical condition or if it's simptomatic of something else. But if it were officially recongized as a medical condition, I don't people with it should be treated with surgeries and affirmation. I don not think his cosmetic surgeons are making Oli London any favour by encouraging him to chase an impossible dream.

Should GC feminists stop associating with conservatives on topics in which they’re interests are aligned? by Heimdekledi in GCdebatesQT

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I think it would be self-defeating for American feminists to limit their reach by not using conservative platforms. I mean, it's not like liberal media will suddenly allow any trans critical view. And they are going to be called conservative not matter what they do, anyway.

Then again, from my point of view, both conservativism and liberalism are right wing ideologies, and I don't trust liberal media anymore than I do conservative one. But for what I've seen many American women do care a lot about not being associated with conservatives. And in spite of how much they hate to be smeared as conservatives by TRAs, they don't have any problem in using the same tactics over anyone who criticizes US foreign policy. So...

QT: Oli London (a British man) has come out as a "Korean woman". Can you explain how being "transgender" is any different than being "transracial"? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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Sorry for the late reply. Yes, I think Oli London has likely a addiction to plastic surgery. I'm not sure whether he has came to identify as a "woman" as result of that or if he is just trolling the people who rejected his "Korean identity".

It's true that there is no a medical condition equivalent to gender dysphoria, but I'll argue that is because anti-racism groups have been more successful in arguing against "transracialism" than feminists have been in arguing against "transgenderism". So, if, for instance, the DMS were to add something like race dysphoria there would likely be a major backlash, and racial minorities would quickly point out they cannot identify out of their opression. I think, the problem if that for many people sexism is something that not longer exists or it only exists in "backward" countries. If sexism is acknowgeled, it's said often that women are not opressed because of our sex, but because of our "femininity".

Oregon's "Menstrual Dignity Act" will require schools to put menstruation products in boy's bathrooms by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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Scottish schoolgirls ‘boycott gender-neutral toilets’

From the article (bolding mine):

The introduction of gender-neutral toilets in Scottish schools hasn’t panned out as activists hoped, with girls in one school reportedly refusing to use the facilities due to misbehaviour and vandalism by boys.

[...] Scottish Borders Councillor Harry Scott told a council meeting on Thursday that in one school, “there have been instances of boys waving sanitary products like flags and urinating in sanitary bins,” according to the Southern Reporter.

GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed? by SnowAssMan in GCdebatesQT

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Those 11 likes are unlikely to be an additional 11 people, right? 10 of those 11 likely overlap with the other reply. As a former mod you should know that it's highly unlikely that the post we are talking about received the engagement of over 20 individuals.

Those 2 comments are different enough that is not unlikely they've not been upvoted by the same people. At the very, as you cannot know who upvoted what, you cannot be sure that your idea had unanimous support. And, let's not forget you never specified what exactly you meant by "identfying as transgender".

Please stop assuming I'm too stupid to see through these gas-lighting attempts.

Pointing out the flaws and half-truths in your reasoning is not gaslighting.

Your entire reply is opposing my previous question on here, instead of the current one.

I already answered you in other comments why I think your "brilliant" idea won't work.

Just ask yourself: how did a supposed troll end up being more well-read on feminism than you?

eyesrolling Yes, Snow, it's wonderfull that you have learnt so well all the lessons of so many feminists books so you can teach all the silly women how they must fight sexism and misogyny. However, if you want to impress me even more, I'd suggest you pick up next some high school biology books, from which you can read very advanced concepts about genetics like the existence of sex chromosomes and sex-linked inheritance.

[Both] What do you think of "The DIY HRT Directory"? Good or bad? by ISaidWhatISaid in GCdebatesQT

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I'm not longer a mod, but I'll advice against providing links. What they do is pontentially unlawful and, without a doubt, dangerous. Drugs are not harmless candies that anyone can make or took even when they are medically necessary.

GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed? by SnowAssMan in GCdebatesQT

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10 is not much better than 3. And Sloane's comment about there being already enough males who identfying as trans exposing the truth unintentionally got 11 likes. So, where is the unanimous support you are talking about? I remember when I saw your other thread months ago I though saying no because of the high probability of men acting like jerks under the excuse of "making a point". But I decided saying nothing because it would likely started another argument with you complaining I had something against you. But, really, you've proved me right, Snow.

Anyway, let's not forget you asked a very different question in the other thread. You never specified what exactly you meant by "identifyng" as trans. Even now, it's not clear what you plan to do once you got your documents changed. Do you know what this reminds me about? TRA making polls about public support for "trans rights" without specifying what those "rights" entail, so the can later claim the public supports the elimination of any women's space for instance. So, are you planning to all the TRA's tactics from now on?

Honestly, I'm not sure either what exactly you expect we do. You jump from saying we should do to "win" arguments (which would not require any paperwork) to pretending to be men online (which would not require paperwork either) to do infiltration work (which doesn't sound wise if you don't have the training or the resources to pull this off). At this point I can only think you have to be trolling us, Snow.

QT: why should "transwomen" be allowed into women's spaces at all? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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You'd really benefit from learning more about the world. There are places in the world where women are sistematically hurt for a lack of access of sex-seggregated restrooms and here you are asking for no more women's spaces of any kind.

QT: why should "transwomen" be allowed into women's spaces at all? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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Why does Washington state not want its citizens learn how many "transwomen" are housed in women's prisons? That is a blue state, isn't it? Why would they have anything to fear?

GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed? by SnowAssMan in GCdebatesQT

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But that's the point that I was making. Nowadays words speak louder than actions. If TRAs can't respect the meanings of words like 'feminism', why should we respect words like 'transgender'?

Sorry, but I'm old-school and I think actions speak louder than words. Imo, the best defense against such liars is exposing the truth. I call nonsense when local politicians pretend to care about poverty in spite of them keep pushing for the same old economic receipts that only work for making them and their friends richer. I call nonsense when local politicians push for economic austerity under the excuse of attracting foreing investement when they have all their money abroad. I call nonsense when local politicians pretend to be democratic despite having ties to the dictatorships. I laugh at western Media and politicians pretending to be outraged by war just now despite all the wars they have supported or waged. I find completely absurd the US wants to held Russia accountable for war crimes despite not only all their own war crimes, but the fact the US have worked hard for not being held accountable in the International Criminal Court.

If anything, it would be incoherent on my part not to call out the "feminists" who push for the legal erasure of sex or the legalization of prostitution.

GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed? by SnowAssMan in GCdebatesQT

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I know there are only a few active users here, but it's misleading when you claim to have unanimous support when only 3 people replied you and more so because you didn't explain you planned to get your sex "legally changed". Even now, you are not explaining what you plan to do after that. You're a man and you say you're living in a country that is not that captured by transgenderism, so what would you get out of this?

Do you even understand we're not spies? Do you understand that nobody really believes TWAW and, therefore, everyone will recognize us as women? Do you understand TRAs turn against their own all the time for not being idelogically pure enough?

QT: why should "transwomen" be allowed into women's spaces at all? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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Harassing a trans person in the bathroom means jail time. In my state its illegal to harass people who use restrooms that don't align with their birth sex.

Do you understand that laws are not always fair and the likehood of them being unfair increases when they are discussed behind closed doors and the general public is fed a lot of lies or half truths?

Also, you're again extrapolating American politics into the rest of the world. I don't think this is very intersectional of you.

QT: why should "transwomen" be allowed into women's spaces at all? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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No one is asking for trans identified people not to use public restrooms. We're asking for restrooms to be sex-seggregated, which is not the the same. And I repeat, this is not only about restrooms even if you keep trying to only adressing them. Would you tell me, for instance why the Washington state don't want their citizens to learn how many trans identified male inmates are being housed in women's prissons?

QT: why should "transwomen" be allowed into women's spaces at all? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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Do you have anything to say about my comment about how females prisoners are outnumbered by males in EVERY country? And waht about how the "women" who coincidentaly have comparable rates of criminality with men are males who identify as trans (aka "transwomen")?

GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed? by SnowAssMan in GCdebatesQT

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Why should I care whether Lauren Southern, whoever she is, has legally "changed" her sex? I already told you why your idea makes no sense. Opting out of womanhood isn't working that well for females who identify as "men", Why would pretending we identify as "men" work better for us?

GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed? by SnowAssMan in GCdebatesQT

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Let me guess, your boycot will involve going into the women's restroom, right? But "only" to make a point, right?

I asked on here if me doing so would be good or bad for feminism, the response was a unanimous: good for feminism.

You never explained what exactly you wanted to do, and you got only 3 replies, anyway.

https://saidit.net/s/GCdebatesQT/comments/8qwr/gc_should_gc_men_identify_as_transgender_to/

GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed? by SnowAssMan in GCdebatesQT

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It won't work because everyone knows who is a man and who is a woman, even if TRAs won't say it out loud. And TRAs are unlikely to buy this farse if we don't look the part and we speak out against any TRA talking point.

QT: why should "transwomen" be allowed into women's spaces at all? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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Yes, women can be violent, too. However, there are far more violent men.

Here is a chart showing the percentage of female inmates with data from 2010. Maldives had the biggest percentage of female inmates at 21%, but even that is an anomaly. Females represent 10% or less of prison population in most countries.

If we look at recent numbers from England and Wales, women make up just 4% of sentenced inmates. Yet "transwomen" make up around 80% of trans identified inmates. And you have to keep in mind that females are less likely than males to be sentenced for violent crimes, too.

At England and Wales again, 99& of sex offenders are males.

A 2011 study from Sweden about trans identified people who undergone full "SRS" also found that males who identify as trans retain male patters of criminality.

The fact males prisoners outnumber female ones by a large margin also means that recording some males as "females" because they identify as such data regarding differences between men and women's criminality will be distorted.

QT: why should "transwomen" be allowed into women's spaces at all? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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  1. 40% is still a lot of women you're asking to have their boundaries ignored in the benefict of the feeling of what... about 1% percent of men (using sex-based definitions, here)?

  2. It's not clear to me how many of those 60% of women knows that: most males who identify as "women" (aka "transwomen") do keep their penises, they do retain male patterns of criminality, most of them are sexually attracted to women and most of them discovered their "authentic selves" through porn. All of which could change their opinion on the matter of restrooms.

  3. You keep trying to center on restrooms and, maybe, changing rooms, but those are far from the only places where sex-seggregation is important for the safety and dignity of women. Speaking of which, could you explain to me if "transwomen" inclussion in women's spaces is so important for most Americans, why do the Washington state is so bent of making sure its citizens don't learn how many males claiming to be "women" there are in the female estate?

  4. Even if all American women were okay with the elimination of sex-seggregated spaces, why the rest of the world should follow suit? For all their empty talk about "intersectionalism", American liberals surely sound a lot like your typical American imperialists. Why does Joe Biden thinks he has the duty to lecture the world about the importance of "gender identity"? How is this is any different from the US playing world police and thinking itself as the bringer of democracy and human rights around the world (which, "curiously", involves a lot of invading foreign countries, war propaganda, overthrowing democratic goverments they don't like, assassinations, torturing suspected terrorists, arming extremists that suit their own interests, imposing economic sanctions, etcetera) as usual? Sorry, but I'm tired of Americans thinking they should shape the politics of any other country under the excuse of human rights.

What do you think about what’s happening in Texas by Heimdekledi in GCdebatesQT

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Says the guy who claimed the existence of sex chromosomes and sex-linked inheritance is advanced level biology that people from English speaking countries don't learn about before going to university.

The people at Tavistock joked that soon there wouldn't be any more gay people in England because so many of their patients were same-sex attracted. But even if ROGD teen girls were all heterosexual, why are you putting them in the same bag as midle ages AGP? Especially when the latter are likely to be among their groomers.

GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed? by SnowAssMan in GCdebatesQT

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Is this a joke? Why on Earth would I want to contribute to spreading chaos even further than TRAs are already doing? As for the supposed, privileges... Please, we all can see how females who identify as trans are talked over by the males all the time. At the end of the day even the most ardent believer of transgenderism knows who is a man and who is a woman.

And for the last time, I do NOT have a "gender identity". You act as obnoxious as QT every single time you insist I have one.

QT: why should "transwomen" be allowed into women's spaces at all? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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And how males claiming to be "women" (aka "transwomen") answer you back when you tell them something like this? Because most of them DO want access to places like women's restrooms, etcetera rather than unisex places with individual and private cubicles as you'd prefer...

What do you think about what’s happening in Texas by Heimdekledi in GCdebatesQT

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I don't know what are you talking about. I was just objecting to Snow's comment. I'm not denying there are teen girls identifying as "gay men" nor I'm justifying their behaviour.

Meta: What can we do to stimulate more activity here? by worried19 in GCdebatesQT

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Facts don't stop being facts just because they aren't told in the nicest way possible.

Meta: What can we do to stimulate more activity here? by worried19 in GCdebatesQT

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I never said you personally did any of those things. I just pointed out the typical QT behaviour. You came here saying you were worried about your trans identified sibling, and saying GC was too rude to QT while ignoring QT bad behaviour. I just assumed you were QT because that seemed the most likely explanation.

Anyway, I insist, QT have made quite clear they don't want to debate and they want to shut down GC voices. There is no point in pretending QT just don't come here because we are too rude or that both sides are equally bad.

What do you think about what’s happening in Texas by Heimdekledi in GCdebatesQT

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As far as I read most ROGD teen girls are same-sex attracted. Among trans identified youth, you can observe many more teens with mental illnes and history of trauma than in the general population. From what I heard from detrans females females who identfy as trans, many of them seem to be trying to escape mysogyny and sexist expectations regardless of their sexual orientation. So, even when talking about heterosexual girls who claim to be really "gay men" just like in yaoi, I don't think is accurate to say they're just appropriating gay identities (disclaimer: I'm not justifying their behaviour towards gay men, although I'll argue female do not pose the same threath to gay men than males do to lesbians). Besides, we know many children and teens of both sexes are being groomed by adults and, thus, they have not discovered their "true authentic selves" on their own.

And to complicate matters, I've heard of some cases where the "gay" identified females are really females who identify as "men" dating each other.

What do you think about what’s happening in Texas by Heimdekledi in GCdebatesQT

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That is a new low for you, snow, you saying ROGD teen girls are just appropriating GNC gay people (you sure you didn't mean just GNC gay men) and don't deserve sympathy. And you putting them in the same bag as AGP men. And yet you think of yourself as THE feminist expert...

Meta: What can we do to stimulate more activity here? by worried19 in GCdebatesQT

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If you think GC users in this sub are as bad as TRA on Twitter, then you're not applying the same standards. Where are all the death and rape threaths, the doxxing, etcetera? I already intervene when arguments get more heated up than usual. If you think we need to get more severe with the moderation, then I assure you there are going to be even less QT posters here.

Worried19, you may not want to hear this, but QT have made quite clear they are NOT interested in debate. It was QT who got the old sub banned. They were the ones who celebrated the ban and chose not to come over here. The posters who came here are not shy about how much they like GC dicourse being shut down in mainstream plataphorms. And the only reason they aren't calling us nazis or acussing us of causing mass suicides every five comments is because we added rules against it to make them stop.

Meta: What can we do to stimulate more activity here? by worried19 in GCdebatesQT

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It's policing women because QT are NOT hold to the same standards. Why is always on us to behave better? Why act as if both sides are rude when one side is objectively far worse in how they behave.

Meta: What can we do to stimulate more activity here? by worried19 in GCdebatesQT

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Well, given that you want to talk about self-criticism, maybe you should have a look at how QT posters behave. Seriously, I'd say they are way more rude in average than GC poster despite being only a handfull of them. The rules banning rules nazi comparisons and banning baseless acussations (like suggesting saying x thing will lead to suicide/genocide) have to be added because of QT.

And giving your talk about fun, let me tell you that I don't find fun arguing with a bunch of people who act like if they were making a big favour by showing up here. I don't find fun arguing with a bunch of people who believe I'm akin to nazis. I don't find fun arguing with a bunch of people who cannot answer basic questions about their own beliefs (I 'm still waiting for QT tell me what is a woman, you know?) I don't find fun arguing with a bunch of people who keep denying all the evidence about how pro-QT policies hurt women and children. I don't find fun arguing with a bunch of people who ask me to care above and beyond about the feeling of males who identify as trans (aka "transwomen") while they show no emphaty for women.

Also, let's not forget it was QT who got the old sub banned and that is why we're here right now. Let's not forget that QT posters here aren't shy about admitting how much they love the fact GC discourse is shut down in a lot of mainstream plataforms. So, maybe we can stop pretending there are few QT users here because of all the mean GC users when QT have made clear they are NOT interested in debate.

GC: What is wrong with trans people working in sexual violence prevention? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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LOL, since when the BBC is a T*** mouthpiece? Just further proof than QT finds anything "transphobic".

I already told you I'm tired, I'm not going to keep arguing.

And yes, redact out the T-slur or I'm going to delete both comments.

GC: What is wrong with trans people working in sexual violence prevention? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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I have nothing in common with that cheating pervert!!!

You now what, just forget what I said. Arguing with you is frustating in the best of circunstances and I'd already enough online arguing for the rest of the month before beginning this conversation.

GC: What is wrong with trans people working in sexual violence prevention? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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Cis means someone primarily identifies with their birth sex. For instance, if you were born female and identify as a woman, you would be considered a cis woman. You don't have to conform to any stereotypes and roles. You can have short hair, wear ties, work long hours in construction and prefer video games instead of shopping at the mall, and still be considered cis.

We're already have this conversation before. I do NOT "identify" as a woman. I am one. This is a matter of biology, not ideology. And you have admitted before that being "cis" implies to accept sex-based stereotypes as innate.

This is why we use terms like cis and trans when relevant.

Not, this is why SEX is relevant. Thomas' "gender identity" have nothing to do with his atlethic advantage or his behaviour in changing rooms or the fact society pander and defend him.

If other women are not allowed to expose their genitalia, then neither should she. If that’s the case, she should absolutely be charged with exhibitionism and voyeurism. If the other women are allowed to expose their genitalia, why can’t she? Genitalia is genitalia, regardless if it's a penis, vagina or something ambiguous.

...

What is the difference between Thomas and a naked man who don't "identifies" as the opposite sex and gets into the female changing rooms?

Many people including myself would not read/watch media and outlets that use the wrong pronouns for people.

So, you like being lied to?

Yes.

Yeah, I though so. Now, tell me why do you think men would not lie about their "gender identity" for their own benefit?

Again, you can't ban someone from a place because they might commit a crime or because of what demographic they belong to.

... I can't with you! Why are you so against prevention?!

GC: What is wrong with trans people working in sexual violence prevention? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]BiologyIsReal 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Also, how can I be silencing natal women when I'm a natal woman myself?

You're admiting in this very comment how you want the women you disagree with to be silenced. Also do NOT use the T-slur here.

40% is still a large amount of women to dismiss. You are telling all those women they should ignore their own boundaries only because you think so.

GC: What is wrong with trans people working in sexual violence prevention? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]BiologyIsReal 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Those are cis women. You can say the category.

"Cis" imply that someone believe in sex-based stereotypes and they conform to the stereotypes and roles expected from their sex (the biological category, you know?). I don't know what Thomas' female teammates really think about these issues, but I think is a safe bet they are likely very aware about the phisiological differences beetween Thomas and them, and how they are treated very different by society.

Lia Thomas is a she.

Please, tell us how do you know Thomas is a "woman". Is the way his swimsuit highlight his very obviously male body? Is the sport dominance that nowadays he shows by winning and breaking records in the pool despite that he was a mediocre athlete when he competed with fellow men? Is the penis he exposes to his teammates in the changing rooms? Is the fact he is guity of exhibiotionism and vouyerism, two crimes that are mostly commited by males? Is the way he can get away with it like most men do? Is the way the Media, the university, and sport authorities keep choosing to defend him over the women affected by his actions inside and outside the pool? Is the way his female teammates feel they can't publicly speak out under their own name? Is the way society expects women to coddle him even when is against their own interest? Is the way his critics have to preface their arguments saying they respect his "identity" and that he is not to blame about what is happening? Is the way even critical Media uses feminine pronouns to describe this man?

I'm being serius here, genderbender, why do you think this man is any sort of "woman"? Is all because he SAYS he is a "woman"? Is that enough to qualify as a one? Do you not only believe that some men are really "women", but men are unable to lie about their "gender identity?

QTs are not against boundaries, we just have a different idea of boundaries than GCs. For instance, we think its harassment for a cis woman to tell a random trans woman in a restroom she doesn't belong. Since restrooms are separated by stalls, you already have all the privacy. I know the argument that a trans woman may implant a camera, which cis women are also capable of doing, but you can't ban someone from a public place because they might commit a crime. It doesn't work that way.

QTs feel trans women are women and trans men are men. Most QTs believe however no one is owed sex and rapists should be prosecuted. That's what I meant when I said queer theorists are not about breaking boundaries.

Do you want I give you again those links showing how trans identified males (aka "transwomen") retain male patterns of criminality and how unisex restrooms are more dangerous for women?

GC: What is wrong with trans people working in sexual violence prevention? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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You keep telling us how women (the kind that produces large gametes, you know) do NOT have a right to single-sex spaces, and yet here you are saying consent is important for queer theory. I mean, really?

Do you think Lia Thomas, who is sexually atracted to women, cares about consent went he exposes his intact male genitalia in the changing rooms despite the female swimmers have made clear their disconfort? Do you think the university staff care about consent when they tell the women to get over their disconfort?

Meta: What can we do to stimulate more activity here? by worried19 in GCdebatesQT

[–]BiologyIsReal 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not possible to compromise over language because the discussions are in great part over language. What is a woman is at the heart of of our discussions. Using QT terminology would only ofuscate what we are trying to say.

Meta: What can we do to stimulate more activity here? by worried19 in GCdebatesQT

[–]BiologyIsReal 9 insightful - 3 fun9 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Moving to another platform/website

Where? We're here because everywhere else we'd be banned for "transphobia".

It seems like there needs to maybe be a firm compromise of language for both 'sides'

Yeah, right. We know exactly which side would be one who had to compromise. QT has proven time and time again they are going to compromise in anything.

Spending more time on Twitter has led me to believe that increasing extremism on either 'side' is turning more people off from TRA & GC. It's definitely made me reach 'peak GC', even if I still hold more GC beliefs.

Please, provide the receipts of GC sending rape and death threaths, doxing, getting people fired, and physically assaulting QT. Or is that you have different criteria about what is extremism for QT and GC?

I realize that language is a significant (if not maybe the most significant) part of the overall debate, and controlling the way others speak and express themselves is a major turn-off.

Exactly, how are we supposed to argue effectively if we compromise on language?

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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Sex is the sex you identify, present and pass as. If a trans man was on T for a couple of years, had top and bottom surgery, presents and passes as a man then he can go to a gay orgy or gay sauna.

So, would you tell this hypothetical "transman" to get her prostate checked (even though she doesn't have one)? Could this "transman" get a woman pregnant?

And what about animals? How does sex work in animals? Do they get to choose which sex they "identify as"? Could there be such a thing as a milking bull, for example?

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]BiologyIsReal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I thought QT claimed super gays were transphobic?

Also, can you define what is sex? Because it seems you are using to mean different things. Sometimes you use to mean whether someone is male or female (using biological based terms here), and sometimes you use to mean wheather someone has undergone body modifications to resemble the opposite sex or not (as if sex change was actually possible).

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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They can, but it's unlikely a hidden camera in a restrooms was placed by a woman. Sex offenses are overwheling done by males.

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/modesty?q=modesty

modesty

2 - the action of behaving or dressing so that you do not show your body or attract sexual attention

The word modesty is appropriate when talking about stalls. Some people may use your own words to justify why they are not necessary at all.

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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So what do you think of Lia Thomas and all the other male athletes who identify as "women" who are competing in women's sports?

And what do you think of males who identify as "women" who claim to have periods even though they don't have the required anatomy? What do you think of any of these males being the face of a menstrual product?

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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You'd have all the privacy in the world, as long no male has put a hidden camera to record you in order to getting off later and upload the videos to the many porn websites that exist.

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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Also, modesty is not a right

Doesn't this going against your wishes for enclosed stalls?

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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So, just two and one of them merely quarantined? Really?

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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And what would be some examples of specific issues for "AFAB people"? Because as far as I remember the only difference between women and males who identify as "women" that you have acknowledged was sports performance.

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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Did reddit banned all the women-hating subs?

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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If support groups for "transwomen" that adress their specifics issues are okay, why plain old women cannot have the same? What is wrong with women (using biological based terms here, remember) having support groups exclusive for them? You keep saying males who identify as "women" (aka, "transwomen") are not different from us, but clearly you don't treat the two groups the same way.

I have no words. by Gayguy123 in GenderCritical

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And how does that prove that TRAs are not MRAs? All find all this rape-y rethoric employed by people who deny their sex disturbing, but I cannot believe that you, as a gay man, are afraid of being raped by a woman. Women pretending to be "men" simply don't pose the same threath to men than men pretending to be "women" pose to women. That was my point. I admit they can annoy you by using gay men or men's spaces, and they may get you labeled as transphobic, but that is thanks to the male lobbysts. If women were the only ones who pretended to be the oppossite sex, the Trans Church would not the all-powerfull beast that it is today.

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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Well, I was surprised to see you here again after you made a big scene about how I should ban you because you didn't like here. I don't know what exactly you expected when you still have that "lovely" flair...

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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Ok, let's try another aproach. Given that you do not think women (you know the kind who can get pregnant) any space that is exclusive for us, do you feel the same about males who identify as trans (aka "transwomen")? Are such males allowed to have spaces exclusives for them, i.e are they allowed to assamble without the presence of women? If you answer is yes, then what is the difference?

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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I thought you said you were leaving?

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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I don't know what you want to prove with this talk about cancelling. Big Tech (and MSM, too) making their best efforts trying to ban any trans critical content doesn't prove most people think TWAW and TMAM. It proves that transactivists are quite powerfull and influential, which is why they have managed to push their policies across several countries behind everyone's back.

So, are you or any other QT user explain to me how trans identified people be so marginalized if they have the support from big companies, the media and several goverments? Which is the truth, GB? Do most people accept "trans identities" or there is so much transphobia in the world that there is an epidemic of trans murders and suicides?

I have no words. by Gayguy123 in GenderCritical

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How can you be a feminist if you advocate for allowing men in places like women's toilets, changing rooms, hospital wards, prisons, etcetera? How can you be a feminist if you advocate for prostitution to be a legitimate and empowering work for women? Such "feminists" have lost the plot a long time ago and are effectively advocating for men to have the privilege to harm women without consequences. While there are many female TRA, they are mostly pawns. It's men who are the driven force of trans activism. Pro-trans policies and activism prioritize the wish of men to exploit and abuse women. Even the women who claim to be "men" are an afterthough in trans activism despite claims of them having male privilege.

TRAs are MRAs not matter how much they deny it. Why else do you think men are not being asked to give up the word "man" like women are being asked to give up the word "woman"? Why else do you think we are not reading phrases like "bodies with penises" in medical journals? Why else do you think Dave Chappelle wasn't subjected to the same abuse than J.K. Rowling? Why else do you think TRAs worry more about the feelings of male athletes like Lia Thomas than the women he crushes in the pool and the women who are being forced to shared changing rooms with him? Why else do you think TRAs worry more about not "misgendering" male sex offenders than the safety of the female inmates than are jailed alongside them?

As for the women being worse than the men... That is going to be difficult with so many perverts and unhinged men like Jessica Yaniv, Aimee Challenor, that man who harrassed the Vancouver rape shelter, etcetera.

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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u/loveSloane and u/beris

MOVE ON.

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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So, you first instict was to think Alok's words were unnaceptable but after reading what the official narrative was about him, you now say he was just misunderstood? Please read the full phrase and tell me whether you think there was a sexual meaning intended or not? Do you think this is a reasonable thing to say to challenge fears of girls being sexually abused in public restrooms?

https://uploads.ovarit.com/d251c4c6-12af-565e-9bc3-1700bba684a8.png

And are we sure Aimee Challenor is really gone from reddit? I mean that guy seems to be the kind that falls upwards. Before reddit he was a member of two political parties.

We’re being forced to change our beliefs, says Christian GP fired over transgender views by BiologyIsReal in GenderCritical

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[https://archive.fo/ZVmr6]

Doctor goes to high court because calling a man a "she" goes against his "Chistian belief" that men are not women. I swear you can't parody this nonsense.

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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Where are all the transactivists dennouncing Alok Venon and campaigning for him and his supporters to be cancelled? Is not believing that "gender identity" should matter more than sex worse than Venon's views on girls? Why can Venom get away of negative consequences while women have been harrassed both online and irl, doxxed, fired and even be physically assaulted for statating that sex matters?

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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I made you a mod because I needed someone to do Porcelain's job and who didn't abuse the position. How do you expect to mod any rule-breaking user if you act like this now?

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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u/LoveSloane and u/beris you two move on, NOW.

Also beris, I remind you, you are a mod. You shouldn't turn off replies the first moment you got into an argument.

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]BiologyIsReal 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Right. Either trans identified people are a marginalized and powerless population, or they are perfectly accepted by all people but a fringe hate group. They cannot have it both ways.

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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It’s gender critical views that are banned from many major websites, including Reddit, YouTube, Twitter, etc. Ovarit even has an entire circle of people who are "cancelled" for gender critical views. Have you heard of TRAs being cancelled?

Shouldn't this be proof that the average person is only hearing one side, i.e. the transactivist's side? What have you to say about my question over transactivist's secretism? Why the ACLU and lawmakers don't want American citizens learn how many "TW" are being housed in women's prisons in Washington? They mention privacy concerns, but the numbers can be given without being tied to the indivuduals. So, what is there to hide?

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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Serios question, why do you keep hate-reading ovarit if our comments are so disgusting? Also, have you checked the it's a fetish or this never happens subs?

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]BiologyIsReal 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How people can vote when TRAs keep covering up the facts? Here's an example of your own country. First the ACLU attempted to block a request for information about how many TW were housed in women's prisons in Washington. Now lawmakers want to pass a law so citizens cannot request this information. Why so much secretism if there is no problems over housing TW in the female state and most Americans believe sex is meaningless?

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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It's also counterproductive. Like, sure after seeing all those threaths, violence and doxxing, etcetera towards disenting women I'm going to get over my fears and discomfort over males in women's spaces...

How much do we owe to strangers? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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You owe to strangers not to send death or rape threats or assault them. You owe them not to dox them or get them fired because they know humans can't change sex. Yow owe them not to ignore their personal boundaries (e.g. don't expose your naked body where you aren't welcome like certain American swimmer).

Males who identify as trans can ask the men to get over their disconfort over them. It shouldn't be difficult given men already listen to them more than what they do with women.

Jubilee (YT channel from my last post) has delivered on showing the GC view within feminism in their latest video: "Do All Feminists Think the Same?" by SnowAssMan in GenderCritical

[–]BiologyIsReal 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why do they put men in the video if the idea was to show differences within feminists? Yeah, no surprised they think JKR is so hateful and TWAW, I mean, of course, men agree that women are just an idea in someone's head.

Both: How do you feel about the terms "female man", "male man", "female woman", and "male woman"? by comradeconradical in GCdebatesQT

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People like you need to be treated based on sex like everyone else. Taking exogenous hormones won't make someone's body develop more like the opposite sex, it just going to induce a hormonal imbalance which will lead to health issues. The problem is acknowledging that "gender affirming treatment" causes more problems than what it solves will make anyone being labeled as a "evil transphobe".

Qt/tra, how does identity form? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

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If everything is subjective, then how could anyone know if they are trans or not? Why should it matter how someone "identify as"?

QT: Why TM don't mind using women's spaces when it suits them? And why TW don't follow their example? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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Yes, this thread ended up focusing more on the safety issue, but I agree that is not the only thing motivating females who identify as "men" (or anythin else than women). It was reading about Iszac Henig what made me writing this post. I swear if you made a movie about Henig and Lia Thomas, and showed it to an unaware audience and they wouldn't believe it was based in real events rather than just being an unrealistic comedy.

The Transgender Debate is Over. by SnowAssMan in GenderCritical

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Are you for real, dude? Did you forget our long discussion in which you stated that feminist are shooting themselves in the foot by using the word because it's not child-friendly, that English speakers don't learn the word sex may not refer to sexual act until adulthood? After all what you say, now you are telling me that using the word "gender" as an euphemism for sex is not political correctness? Seriously? If this is not about PC then there shouldn't be so much reluctance to say the word sex.

QT: Why TM don't mind using women's spaces when it suits them? And why TW don't follow their example? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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But even according to the FBI, most hate crimes are not due to "gender identity".

Anyways, remember this thread was primarily about females who identify as trans. It's obvious why they wouldn't to stay, for example, in a men's prisons, but they would blame their vulnerability into "being trans" rather than in their sex.

Announcement: new mod by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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True, but they won't allow us to advertise this sub in their spaces. I mean, even the QT users who come here regard us as a fringe hate group.

QT: Why TM don't mind using women's spaces when it suits them? And why TW don't follow their example? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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I singled out disabled and old men because they a more physically vulnerable than other males and have a lesser chance of fighting back. Like MT said not every instance of violence is hate crime.

Anyway, I don't blame "transmen" for fleeing male's spaces. Though, they can't expect to be taken seriously when, on one hand, claim to be "real men" and, on the other hand, seek the safety of women's spaces and call bigot anyone who suggest that may be the reason they are vulnerable in men's spaces it's because they are female.

QT: Why TM don't mind using women's spaces when it suits them? And why TW don't follow their example? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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Fair enough, but I think this is still a matter of willingness. They can't expect other males stop being violents when transactivists themselves allow a good deal of toxic behaviour within their own ranks. Also the danger posed to males claiming to be "women", especially in western countries, is being overstated on the Media.

https://4w.pub/breaking-down-claims-of-a-trans-genocide/

https://unherd.com/2022/01/the-truth-about-trans-murders/

If all cells can turn into sperm and egg, why doesn't that mean everyone is both men and women at the same time? by UwUness2 in GenderCritical

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I don't know about reddit, but I started browsing the debate sub on saidit about a year ago and this person was already posting their questions. Though, it's hard to tell exactly when they started doing this since this person deletes their old threads (according to them before saving the answers they got for their own use) so people don't notice it's the same person asking the same questions. As for the why of this behaviour, they have admitted they enjoy playing devil's advocate for some unknown reason. I think they just like trolling people.

Source: I tried to reason with this user for probably way too long.

QT: Why TM don't mind using women's spaces when it suits them? And why TW don't follow their example? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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I don't think its reasonable to put that on the backs on people with zero social power to enact that change.

Why do you think they have no social power? So far trans identified people have the support of several goverments, political parties and big companies. They have conviced lots of people that "misgendering" is an unforgivable offense and even news outlets that are critical of transgenderims make sure to respect "prefered pronouns". They have succesfully imposed their own terminology even when it's unaccurate (e.g. sex assigned at birth). They are being succesfully at eroding women's spaces, even prissons. There are many males competing in women's sports. And I could keep going on with the list... It's not that transactivists have no political power, it's that they don't want any other solution. Males claiming to be women feel entintled to our spaces and every time you suggest building third spaces they complain this is like racial seggregation.

QT: Why TM don't mind using women's spaces when it suits them? And why TW don't follow their example? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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I agree that men's spaces are more dangerous, but:

1- Disabled men, old men, and other groups of men are also at a higher risk in men's spaces and yet they are not seeking refuge in women's spaces. So, why "transmen" would do it if they are "real men" as they claim?

2- It's inconsistent with their own ideas. We're constantly told that sex is irrelevant and we should take "gender identity" into account instead. Females claiming to be "men" will go as far to put their health into risk, e.g. by changing their sex to "male" into medical records and expecting to be treated as "males". Yet when they want it, suddenly, "gender identity" is not as important and they don't mind sharing spaces with women.

The Transgender Debate is Over. by SnowAssMan in GenderCritical

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I'm not confused by the word "gender". I avoid it because I don't want to contribute to all the ofuscating language used by transactivists.

I don't know why Chappelle said what he said. I don't follow comedians and I only heard of him because of his new "controversial" show. Also, I don't know why you think he wants to convey GC ideas just for pointing the obvious, i.e. men are not women. The world is not neatly divided into TRA and GC people.

Anyways, why would a comedian worry about people laughing at what he says? Honestly, I don't know about his political leanings, but he sounds like a lot of conservatives. They protest against political correctness just before doing one of the most PC things imaginable: saying "gender" instead of sex. The only most PC thing that conservatives do is calling a man pretending to be women "she", something that Chappelle is also guilty of.

Qt, Why is gender so important? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]BiologyIsReal 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You know exactly what she meant. Regardless of how much you hate it, "gender (identity)" is the actual term used to justify the political erasure of sex. We already have QT to play word games. Please, don't start them, too.

Qt, Why is gender so important? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]BiologyIsReal[M] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You two cut it now or I'm going to start deleting comments.

GC: If all cells can turn into sperm and egg, why doesn't that mean everyone is both men and women at the same time? by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

[–]BiologyIsReal 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You again? I thought you'd have finally got bored of playing devil's advocate... Just pick some biology books already!

Your Theories on the Neo-Nazi/MRA/Incel/Alt-Right/Fascist to Trans Pipeline? by jay-day in GenderCritical

[–]BiologyIsReal 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Easy. MRAs and incels believe women live in easy mode and have all the advantages while men are the real victims. Some decides to "become women" in order to get all what they feel they have been denied. They are also very sexist, which is needed to think wearing dresses make you a "woman". Moreove, they likely watch a lot of porn and develop several fetish because of it.

Transgenderism is only possible because of capitalism. I don't believe men pretending to be women when they claim to be "anti-capitalists". They are either lying or don't know what they are talking about.

Qt, Why is gender so important? by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]BiologyIsReal 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Ok, if you think being a mod is so easy, let's see how you fare. To be clear, since you have no posting history before this post and we cannot take your word for it, we'll watch over you and we'll remove you if you abuse the position. Do you accept this?