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[–]beris😎 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I stand by my opinion that the lack of QT users is because they are not interested in debating.

And i mean that's fine, you're allowed to believe whatever you want. I'm not going to try and change your mind because you clearly had access to all this information and didn't think differently then. But the fact of the matter is house abused your lack of policing to an extreme. I stand by my opinion that primarily she created a toxic environment that the qt posters who WOULD have been interested in posting here didn't want to deal with her being given free reign.

Also they are too used to be in a bubble where any question or doubt about transgenderism is treated as heresy and where everyone is forced to use "inclusive" language. Of course they won't like this sub unless we apply the same criteria than elsewhere.

No group is a monolith, people are unique. You're right that the majority of trans people live in that bubble, but clearly not all of them do because plenty have come and left.

[–]inkling 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

I stand by my opinion that primarily she created a toxic environment that the qt posters who WOULD have been interested in posting here didn't want to deal with her being given free reign.

Speaking as a QT the only posters who were so hostile that they would have discouraged my participation are gone now (flippyking and adungitit). And biologyisreal did delete many of flippykings comments when i reported them. I also talked to houseplant, lovesloane, and marktwainiac and it was fine. Not the nicest people but it feels patronizing to suggest QT needs people to be nice to us to participate. I stopped participating because I was told this is strictly a debate sub and not a place to ask questions about GC views, so I started lurking instead. My advice would be to broaden the scope of the sub as most QT are probably not used to debating and its super overwhelming coming in and having 7 different people responding to your posts/comments expecting answers, and everytime you respond you get 7 more answers, etc. There are no places on the internet where we can even just talk to each other openly. That might be a good start for QT.

[–]beris😎 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

I don't really think any of the GC posters here are "nice" traditionally save maybe worried. But that's not the issue. The issue is house breaks rules because she's never once been punished for it beyond biology saying stop. It's an issue exclusive to her. Flippy left because biology didn't ban a qt user (who honestly i would have banned had I been a mod then) and I wasn't really here to even see adungitit so I can't really comment on them. Your personal experience with house notwithstanding, it doesn't change the fact that she unashamedly and openly breaks rules, and after I was made mod I said specifically I wouldn't tolerate it. And I didn't. Simple as.

You're welcome to wait the generous 3 days, which at the rate this place moves is pretty much nothing, and tell her that yourself though. Not that I don't doubt she's still lurking and writing a very long essay about how i'm on a power trip for doing what should have been done 6 months before I showed up.

[–]BiologyIsReal 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I don't really think any of the GC posters here are "nice" traditionally save maybe worried.

QT posters are neither nice. FAR from it. I don't know why should I be "nice" when the only reason the other side don't call me a nazi or equivalent is because of a rule in the sidebar, which had to be written because of them. And GB is always feigning ignorance about what GC users meant by "women" and "men" even though we know what she meant by "afab" or "amab" despite disagreeing with her terminology.

Sorry, but I'm not a doormat. I'll only be civil enough not to get banned. That it's all.

Flippy left because biology didn't ban a qt user (who honestly i would have banned had I been a mod then)

I wasn't going to ban circling for something that happened before I became a mod right there in circling's thread asking for my removal of the mod team. I'd have never heard the end of it from QT posters if I had done that. And as usual no other mod was around. I asked houseplant if she wanted circling baned and she told me no. Then flippy decided to throw a big tantrum about it and started saying a lot of ridiculous things like my decision would make houseplant leave the sub (right after she said she won't leave because of circling).

[–]beris😎 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I wasn't going to ban circling for something that happened before I became a mod

Sorry, that sounded like an accusation toward you, but it was mostly just a statement about flippy's own reasoning. I don't think you handled that situation badly.

QT posters are neither nice. FAR from it. I don't know why should I be "nice"

Again, just an observation, not an accusation. I dont think you have any need or obligation to be nice in the first place. As long as everyone involved knows how to differentiate between nice and civil, there isn't really a problem.