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[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (4 children)

I said female persons whose health has been permanently damaged by regular administration of exogenous testosterone/androgens for the purpose of masculinizing them during their tweens, teens and 20s have faced, and do face, a horrible fate.

You realize there are many precautions that can be taken that can help transmasc people with this? A lot of trans guys I know take topical estradiol to prevent vaginal atrophy, it's unfortunate but helps, and have also had hysterectomies to head off potential issues there as well.

pelvic organ prolapse and early-onset dementia. As adults, female persons on long-term exogenous T for masculinization have double the risk of heart attacks and CV disease as ordinary male adults do.

I don't think any of this is worth not transitioning, personally. It's up to them and they should be aware, but we will figure out ways to deal with these issues. There are other risky actions people take that increase their CV risk, like eating badly, but we don't stop people from eating how they want, obviously.

Why are adult trans activists like you so intent on issuing diktats saying other people's minor children should be given powerful prescription drugs and artificial hormones that will impede their natural development and impair their sexual function?

Because if they're trans it's their right to take them, it's that simple. And estradiol for trans women is bioidentical now in the vast majority of cases. It's exogenously introduced, but it's the exact same hormone as is produced naturally.

large numbers of young children they have never met, never will meet, have nothing to do with and know jack shit about, are being subjected to radical experimental medical interventions to stop them from going through puberty.

If even one kid is like me and hates her body less because she was able to transition younger and not have horrible parents then it will have been worth it.

All of the people I mentioned have the ears of the people high up in medicine, psychotherapy, politics, government, "LGBTQ" lobbying, publishing and the mainstream media, social media, the insurance industry, etc who make policy and decide what treatments are appropriate for children.

Trans people finally having a say for ourselves and helping trans kids, and that's somehow problematic to you. Would you rather trans people have no voice and cis people decide for us? No lol

Over the years, Bowers has also been an outspoken, leading advocate of subjecting male children to surgical castration and penile reconfiguration whilst they are still minors.

Okay? I can see how that's logical, it would be much easier to recover from SRS with parental support.

All of whom also have had the chance to develop normal male reproductive capacity and to experience the enormous and exquisite pleasures that come from having mature male sexual function, male libido, male sexual pleasure, and male orgasms.

Okay what actually is this? Why write this? I hated anything sexual before I transitioned and I still have intimacy issues because I'm so uncomfortable with my body. There is no "exquisite" pleasure in being male nor does that at all motivate me to have others have to suffer the way I did/do. I would have done anything to avoid that grossness.

gender identity ideology say it's a good idea to follow the advice of the kinds of adult males I have mentioned in determining how best to treat young boys and girls who are distressed over sex and gender issue.

Literally the only advice you have to follow is to treat ppl with dysphoria and give them transition care.

Again, why is it so important to you and other adults like you to insure that other people's minor children get robbed of the chance to grow up physically healthy with fully developed brains and bodies, and with the capacity to enjoy full sexual function?

People do not necessarily need or desire "full sexual function". I didn't. Why are you so intent on making trans kids suffer so that people can grow up wanting sex? Ofc hormones alter people's bodies and minds but that is not a negative thing, it's someone's choice.

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

People do not necessarily need or desire "full sexual function". I didn't. Why are you so intent on making trans kids suffer so that people can grow up wanting sex? Ofc hormones alter people's bodies and minds but that is not a negative thing, it's someone's choice.

Yikes. This is straight up the kind of thinking that Money and Mengele engaged in. It's the kind of thinking used in the past to justify the sterilization and lobotomization of people with physical and mental disabilities and other traits deemed "undesirable" in the eyes of eugenists. It's the kind of thinking that's used to justify FGM and forced hysterectomies.

What you want to see done across the board to minors too young to have agency constitute profound violations of their fundamental human rights.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Lobotomies and other barbaric surgeries were and are performed on people without their consent. Neither HRT nor gender-affirming surgery is so drastic, and importantly, it is desired by the patient.

Just because someone is a child, doesn't mean they have no medical agency. Kids can't decide everything but they should get a say in their own healthcare.

[–]BiologyIsReal 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

And some people want their perfectly healthy limbs cut off. Does this mean surgeons should affirm "transable" people, too? Should anorexic patients be refered for liposuctions, too?

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I empathize a lot with people with BIID. And iirc studies have shown that for a lot of them, removing the limb alleviates their distress. So yes, they should be able to get that surgery because you can live without an arm.

I also think yes generally people should be able to get liposuction, but if someone is anorexic then that's a much more immediate threat to their life than losing a limb or taking hrt, so there should be screening to make sure they're like, alright. But in general yes.