QT: Oli London (a British man) has come out as a "Korean woman". Can you explain how being "transgender" is any different than being "transracial"?

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[–]BiologyIsReal[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

There are no genes that an afab person has that I don't.

Just you know, there are about 6500 genes that expressed differently in women and men.

Hormones control many sexed development processes from the very beginning. If a male fetus is insensitive to testosterone, then it will develop as externally female externally regardless of an SRY gene.

No, you're wrong. Sex determination is the first step in developing a male or female reproductive system, and that is decided by sex chromosomes as I explained it to you. The actions of sex hormones comes later. Sex development and sex differentiation are quite complex process; so it's unsurprising there are many things that could go wrong. That is why some people have DSDs. In the case of male with CAIS, while they look like women, they are still biologically male and it would not be wise to treat them like females in a medical setting, for instance.

If hormones meant and did nothing, then trans women wouldn't have breasts and be capable of breastfeeding, trans men's voices would not drop and there wouldn't be changes to where and how the body stores fat, no skeletal changes when beginning cross-sex hrt early enough.

I've never said hormones did nothing. I said taking exogenous hormones won't transform a man into a woman or viceversa.

Because tbh I don't care.

Interesting how you call yourself a woman, yet you keep showing, here and in other threads, very little if any concern about how women are harmed by pro-QT policies. It seems like the only "women" you care about are thoses who are born with testes.

Obviously athletes who are just getting to be themselves will probably have more energy for a while.

And it's just an incredible coincidence that the only trans indentified athletes who experience a big boost after "transition" are the males ones, right?

They would undoubtedly create a hostile work environment for me and other coworkers through misgendering etc.

The fact that your first worry is about "misgendering" it's very telling because that has nothing to do with safety. And if you were secure in your own "identity", why would you be bothered by people refering to you by your sex? I've been mistaken for a man on the internet and also on the phone/interphone because I've a deep voice for a woman, and I didn't go through an identity crisis because of that and neither I've ever thought of punishing people for their mistakes.

You can hardly post anything positive as a trans person without some gender critical random saying YWNBAW or something equally inane. There was a trans woman who was beaten up at a protest in the UK. There are parents of trans kids who talk about wanting to punch them (saw this just this morning).

Please provide receipts.

There was a great article about a trans woman breastfeeding her kid and do you know what people said about her? They called her milk "sewage".

It' not possible for a trans identified male to breasfeed his child. You can indeed induce a man to lactate, but there is not evidence that his discharge could provide the same nourishment that a mother's breast milk or even baby formula. A trans identified male trying to breasfeed his child is puting his own feeling about the safety and wellbeing of the baby.

They called her awful things and said she was a fetishist just for trying to feed her kid. They took what should be a beautiful moment (because it really is so amazing to me that such a thing is possible; it gives me hope) and tried to squash it into the dirt.

Considering all the trans identified males who had admitted they discovered their "authentic self" through porn, I think it's fair to question whether a trans identified male has an ulterior motive to "breastfeed" his kid.

We receive plenty of your abuse too

Again, provide receipts, please. And I hope it's something more serious than "misgendering".

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Just you know, there are about 6500 genes that expressed differently in women and men.

Then hormones and future gene therapies can help those genes be expressed differently.

In the case of male with CAIS, while they look like women, they are still biologically male and it would not be wise to treat them like females in a medical setting, for instance.

CAIS women are still women. "Biologically male" is practically a meaningless designator.

I've never said hormones did nothing. I said taking exogenous hormones won't transform a man into a woman or viceversa.

That depends entirely on your definition of what men and women "are", though?

Interesting how you call yourself a woman, yet you keep showing, here and in other threads, very little if any concern about how women are harmed by pro-QT policies.

Interesting how my being a woman to you depends on whether I bow down and stay quiet, something that women, cis or trans, have been fighting against since the dawn of agriculture.

GC people and right-wingers are literally the only people who ever have a problem with my existence. Me being a woman, or anyone being a woman, does not intrinsically hurt anyone. Ofc there are trans people who have done bad actions, but that is true of any demographic, and just as it would be discriminatory to apply the actions of bad apples to the entire group for literally any other group of women, it's discriminatory for trans women too.

And it's just an incredible coincidence that the only trans indentified athletes who experience a big boost after "transition" are the males ones, right?

Perhaps testosterone euphoria takes longer for trans men, I wouldn't really know and would have to ask, sorry.

The fact that your first worry is about "misgendering" it's very telling because that has nothing to do with safety. And if you were secure in your own "identity", why would you be bothered by people refering to you by your sex

My first worry when telling a man is worse than misgendering, but I've mainly been physically abused by men so I'm just more scared of them physically hurting me.

Also, I doubt I can ever be secure in my identity. Me being a woman is determined by others and what they think, not by me. I'm kind of ashamed of being trans still, and I just do not want people to know, because I am very embarrassed and self-conscious about it. Not that you care, but then again you're already playing the "who cares about who" game. And yeah, I know how I feel, it's how I've felt my entire life. But how I feel means nothing to most people, how I look and present is how they decide.

Please provide receipts.

Trans girl assaulted: https://twitter.com/trans_safety/status/1529795151593451520?t=t8XD9UnvF4PnYJ7mR6aF0Q&s=19

Parent wanting to punch their kid: https://twitter.com/CaelanConrad/status/1531764615864107008?t=n9-7eCkbvZ07EZxR2kebww&s=19

If it's alright I'll send further receipts in the next reply, I'm on mobile and it's hard to copy and paste from twitter without losing the text here

It' not possible for a trans identified male to breasfeed his child. You can indeed induce a man to lactate, but there is not evidence that his discharge could provide the same nourishment that a mother's breast milk or even baby formula. A trans identified male trying to breasfeed his child is puting his own feeling about the safety and wellbeing of the baby.

It's been literally documented that trans women's breasts are histologically identical to cis women's at the tissue level: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5773616/

A protocol exists for inducing lactation properly and several trans women have breastfed their children. There are countless guides on what to take that I've seen in the DIY community. If it were "discharge", doctors would know, and those kids would be much worse off. In breastfeeding our kids, trans women are llmaking the exact same decision cis mothers are: we want the best for our kids and if lactation can be induced medically then we're okay doing so. Just because it's not triggered endogenously doesn't mean it's wrong or gross.

And no, it's not fair to assume that a trans mother is a porn addict just based on that. Breastfeeding is not a sexual act.

[–]BiologyIsReal[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

CAIS women are still women. "Biologically male" is practically a meaningless designator.

Women don't have testes. But that is besides the point because males who identify as trans don't have CAIS, anyway. You're using this medical condition as a gotcha even though the experiences of males with CAIS and the experiences of males who identify as "trans" are completely different.

That depends entirely on your definition of what men and women "are", though?

It's not "my" definition. The two sexes exist regardless of of whether or not you want to give a name to the individuals who belong to the biological category able to produce large gametes and another the individuals who belong to the biological category able to produce small gametes.

Interesting how my being a woman to you depends on whether I bow down and stay quiet, something that women, cis or trans, have been fighting against since the dawn of agriculture.

First, I said nothing about staying quiet. I said you showed no concern for whether women may be hurt as consequences of pro-TRA policies.

Second, I stand by the definition of women a men being biology-based. What I said was a observation about your atitude (and the attitude of other people like you) towards women. An observation that was born from the frustation of hearing all the time about how women must include and prioritize "transwomen" in everything because they are "women" after all. And yet males who claim to be "women" way more often than not show no concern for the needs of women. So, how exactly is the dynamic between women and trans identified males any different from the dynamic between women and men?

Me being a woman is determined by others and what they think, not by me.

If you really think that you being a "woman" is not determined by you, then you should not get upset if someone refuses to view you as one.

It's been literally documented that trans women's breasts are histologically identical to cis women's at the tissue level: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5773616/

This paper is about how the use of exogenous hormones affects the risk of breast cancer on trans identified individuals. It says nothing about breastfeeding. There is no evidence trans identified males are able to breastfeed babies as this article explains.

And no, it's not fair to assume that a trans mother is a porn addict just based on that. Breastfeeding is not a sexual act.

Breastfeeding is not a sexual act, but males cannot breastfeed regardless of how they "identify" as. And you can find countless examples of males who identify as trans explaining how they discovered their "womanhood" through porn.