GC: What is the sexual orientation of chasers/gynandromorphophiles? by cars in GCdebatesQT

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Some words do have more than one meaning. The word "nail" refers both to fingernails and nails you use screws on. Although the word refers to two different things, it still has an effective meaning.

We have terms for people who aren't attracted to trans people, like super lesbian, super gay, super straight, etc.

If a woman (cis or trans) who identifies as a lesbian and is attracted to female features of a masculine presenting woman such as a vagina, then she can call herself lesbian. If she considered herself straight and was attracted to the other woman's beard or masculine features, that's fine too.

GC: What is the sexual orientation of chasers/gynandromorphophiles? by cars in GCdebatesQT

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That does not mean that sexual orientations lack a commonly shared meaning. A gay man is exclusively attracted to people with male features, while a lesbian is a woman exclusively attracted exclusively to people with feminine features, which can include cis women, trans women and trans men who don't pass.

Pedophilia is not a sexual orientation, but it doesn't have a commonly shared meaning either. The dictionary definition of pedophilia is to be attracted to pre-pubescent children. Attraction to pubescent children is called hebephilia and attracted to post-pubescent teens is called ephebophilia. Yet someone attracted to a 15 year old may be considered a pedophile even though that's not the official definition. Many people use the term pedophile to refer to people who have committed sexual abuse towards children and not necessarily those merely sexually attracted to children.

GC: What is the sexual orientation of chasers/gynandromorphophiles? by cars in GCdebatesQT

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For cis people exclusively attracted to cis people, sexuality is pretty straightforward. Gay men are exclusively attracted to men and lesbians are exclusively attracted to women. Straight men are exclusively attracted to women and straight women are exclusively attracted to men. But in general sexuality isn't as straightforward. For instance, a gay cis man can be attracted to a trans man if that man presents as male or has masculine features. And although trans women are not men, if she presents masculine enough or has male features (such as a penis) I can see why a gay man might be attracted to her. Neither of those situations necessarily make the cis man bisexual, unless he personally identifies that way.

I'm straight. I have a friend who is a trans woman and I used to be attracted to her even when she openly identified as female. But after a year on estrogen her skin and face became feminized and since I am not attracted to woman I am not attracted to her, but a lesbian might be attracted to her. I am attracted to passing trans men. I am straight and dating trans people who identify with my sex doesn't change my sexuality. There are no "lack of definitions" it's just that sexuality isn't always straightforward.

All: Is body acceptance better than transitioning? by Penultimate_Penance in GCdebatesQT

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While body acceptance is better than physical transitioning, for some people only transition alleviates dysphoria and that's OK.

GC: What is the sexual orientation of chasers/gynandromorphophiles? by cars in GCdebatesQT

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It's up to that man to decide what labels best describe his sexual orientation. Straight, gay, bi and pan are all possibilities.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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I didn't say all women would agree with me or support trans people. I'm saying women are more likely to support trans people than men. This has been proven consistently through studies and polls. The old GC sub even had a thread titled "Why are women the primary defenders of transgender ideology?"

https://web.archive.org/web/20200125091238/http://reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/eq0t36/why_are_women_the_primary_defenders_of/

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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The testosterone men take for it's effects is different from anabolic steroids. Steroids often have other ingredients and athletes take them in much higher does. Trans men take testosterone to masculinize their appearance and men in general take testosterone for a variety of reasons, including cis men with low testosterone. Page is a man.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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Page is a man and I'm a woman. Since I'm not a man I don't want to be categorized with him.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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I'm sure even if all the participants were informed that 85% of trans women keep their penises and use them sexually, women would still be more likely to support trans rights than men. That's the point.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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Elliot Page was assigned female at birth but at the moment he's not female. He's a man and I'm a woman, making us different sexes.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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No. Trends in a patriarchal society are measurable and provable.

I agree that trends are measurable and provable. It is proven from numerous studies that women are more supportive of trans rights than men.

According to a PPRI study, 51% of men support requiring transgender individuals to use bathrooms corresponding to their assigned sex at birth, compared to 40% of women. The same study found that 68% of women would feel somewhat or very comfortable with having a close friend who is transgender, compared to 57% of men. That's a significant difference! 52% of women say they would feel somewhat or very comfortable if their child came out as transgender, compared to 44% of men.

A poll found that 59% of men support banning trans women in women's sports compared tp 46% of women. 29% of men oppose banning trans women in women's sports compared to 34% of women.

There is a clear observable and provable trend that women are more likely to support the trans rights than men. Do any poll with equal numbers of random cis men and women and I will bet my life savings women will be more supportive of trans rights than men.

Trans men are men. While I hate the phrase "boys will be boys" because it is almost always used to excuse bad behavior, if I were to use that phrase, trans boys would be included under "boys" unless I specified "cis boys."

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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Man is the opposite of woman. Page is a man. Since I'm not, that's how we are opposites.

All: Do you know trans people in real life? by peakingatthemoment in GCdebatesQT

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A neighbor of mine is a trans man. I know another trans man I met at a social group and I know a trans woman who also happens to be autistic and she is an autism, disability and LGBT activist and I met her in activist circles. I had a co-worker who was a trans woman.

All: what is your opinion on tomboys? by FrogEnjoyer in GCdebatesQT

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I'm fine with tomboys. Being a tomboy doesn't automatically mean you are trans. Conversely, enjoying things stereotypically associated with your sex assigned at birth doesn't mean you aren't trans. The idea that we want to trans every tomboy is a popular GC perception, not a popular perception for the rest of us.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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But saying Elliot Page is the same sex as me is misgendering me. Page is a man, a guy, a dude. I am a woman which is a 180 of what he is.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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Here is the thing. As I've stated before I share a sex with Oprah, Laverne Cox, Beyonce, MJ Rodriguez, Rihanna, Jazz Jennings, Kim Kardashian and Taylor Swift. So I obviously categorize myself with cis and trans women. Many gender critical women expressed they do not want to be categorized with trans women, so I will respect that as well. So I'm fine with them creating their own sex category. If they want to categorize themselves with cis women I think most cis women are OK with it. However trans men expressed they do not want to be categorized with women and that needs to be respected as well. Due to the wishes of GC women, I no longer categorize them with trans women but I am a cis woman who categorizes herself with trans women and anyone who shares a sex with me will share a sex with trans women, so I think its fair to have a separate category for gender critical women. I respect everyone's identity and won't categorize groups who don't mutually agree to be categorized.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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Elliot Page did testosterone himself into a male. He is becoming a gorgeous and handsome man.

Also, most trans men don't want to be classed with females and I respect that. I dont want to be classed with gender criticals even though I'm a cis woman. I understand GCs don't want to be classed with trans women but many cis women do. People in your sex category include J.K. Rowling, Julie Bindel and Sheila Jeffreys and I respect that.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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  1. Because people don't always live up to their own ideals.

  2. Because being against sex-based stereotypes doesn't mean you have to deny the reality that there are observable trends in how women and men behave. Humans make assumptions based on trends about all kind of things all the time. It's hard-wired on us because in order to survive in the distant past we had to decide in an instant if, for example, that big and scary lion over there was a threat. Getting right of generalizations may not be possible, but that doesn't mean we cannot strive for a fairer society or challenge plain baseless ideas like, for instance, "men are the rational ones, women are the emotional ones".

  3. Because some GC women have a hard time believing that women could advocate so hard for transgenderism.

#1 I can understand. #3 I dont understand why some GC women have a hard time believing that women could advocate so hard for transgenderism. Every study on trans issues finds that women are more supportive of transgenderism than men.

For instance a PPRI study found that 51% of men support requiring transgender individuals to use bathrooms corresponding to their assigned sex at birth, compared to 40% of women. According to a poll, 59% of men support banning trans women in women's sports compared tp 46% of women. 29% of men oppose banning trans women in women's sports compared to 34% of women.

This brings us to point #2. The observable trends show that women are more supportive of transgenderism than men. So if they were acting on observable trends then they would know women are more likely to be advocates of transgenderism than men. But since they deny that they are obviously acting on stereotypes and their own ideas, not observable trends.

Last year my sister and I (both cis women) overheard our dad misgender Rachel Levine while talking on the phone with his brother. As soon as the conversation was finished, we called him out on it and insisted he use "she" for Rachel Levine. He kept telling us that Rachel Levine is a "he" and is a man. My dad is a white, straight, cis, able-bodied and middle class male, basically he fits the definition of "privileged" in the social justice context except for the fact that hes not Christian. We are Jewish. I am a disabled woman. My dad is not supportive of the trans community and its one reason I don't often interact with him.

Women, or people who were assigned female at birth can absolutely be fierce advocates of transgenderism, including those of other marginalized identities like POC or disabled women.

Could you explain what do you mean by this? What does make two people be the same "gender" if not sex-based stereotypes? If self-identification alone, as you have told us, makes a woman how "transwoman" can be indistinguishable from "cis women"? If self-identifation alone makes a woman, how can a "transwoman" "pass" or not?

Gender is how you identify yourself. My gender is female. I share a gender/sex with Oprah, Laverne Cox, Beyonce, MJ Rodriguez, Rihanna, Jazz Jennings, Kim Kardashian and Taylor Swift. I do not share a sex with Lebron James and Elliot Page.

Some trans women who take hormones and some pass to the point where you wouldn't be able to tell she is trans by looking or at her or hearing her voice. There is no need to use quotation marks.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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Don't you understand that meeting someone in person is a complete different experience than seeing them in a picture? And pictures can be filtered, being in taken in convenient angles and lighting, etcetera.

Yes I understand. I still believe some trans people are indistuinguishable from cis people of the same gender.

Also, those users may have made a guess based in Chase Strangio and Jeanette Jennings's words or behaviour.

So you can tell someone's sex assigned at birth by their words and behavior? I thought GCs were against sex stereotypes?

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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How do you know? Even Ovatit can't always tell someone's birth sex. For instance, one thread Why are many gay men prominent TRAs?, Chase Strangio was listed as a gay man.

There's ACLU Lawyer Chase Strangio, currently dead set on ensuring males can play in women's sports, resolving the nonexistent epidemic of murders of trans women, promoting "sex work", and other such noble pursuits in the name of human rights.

OP edited her post after others pointed out Strangio is a trans man.

There is another post which I couldn't find but someone asked if Jeanette Jennings (Jazz's mom) was a trans woman. Another user replied no she just has a large nose.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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Because its basic respect. I use your preferred pronouns. You wouldn't like it if I referred to you as "he". Cox is no different.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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OK, but Cox uses she/her pronouns and everyone should respect that.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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Cox is 5′ 11 so she isn't super tall and tall cis women aren't rare. I know a few of them.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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Cis women can also be fetishists. How do you know you haven't been partially disrobed next to a fetishist?

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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If I didn't know they were trans I wouldn't be able to tell they are trans just by looking at them or hearing them.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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Yeah, so? I've been called worse; and I can take it. It's you I was talking about. I thought appearing transphobic is something you'd want to avoid at all costs, and being accused of transphobia is something you might be concerned about.

I have multiple reddit accounts and on one of them I used to regularly post on r/gendercynical a few years back and no one ever accused me of transphobia. I have never once been accused of transphobia in my life.

Which is ridiculous. Look at Bell's face, hands, feet, body shape, bone structure and the way Bell moves and walks.

There are people who are assigned male at birth with the same features.

But I thought passing didn't matter?

Passing ultimately doesn't matter but a passing trans woman will of course not be questioned in the woman's restroom so in this context it's relevant.

Also, since you brought up "passing": who decides who "passes"? Most males who identify as trans think and insist that they pass, but many female people like me disagree. Whose perception do you think should win out here?

My question is ultimately referring to anyone who is perceived by GC as a trans woman. Some trans woman do pass, like Jazz Jennings, Laverne Cox and MJ Rodriguez. Caitlyn Jenner doesn't pass but that's just my perception.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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The fact that you refer to trans women as "males" will more likely cause people to accuse you of transphobia.

Anyway, Keira Bell is a detransitioned woman and I can understand how how someone like her in appearance and voice could be mistaken for a trans woman.

Also I think its obvious I'm referring to trans women who don't pass.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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This is how everyone should react.

GC: What is wrong with trans people working in sexual violence prevention? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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To you, yes, a great many would probably meet your definition of agender/nonbinary.

Most people are cis and binary, but yes many people are non-binary.

Which is still misgendering if you conflate letters with meanings, which is what you have done in the past.

Letters form words and words have mean meanings.

Translated to your language that would someone who doesn’t consider themselves having your gender identity. To you, a woman is specific gender identity, so only those who think of themselves as having that gender identity can be fairly portrayed as having this gender identity, letters used doesn’t matter.

That is that the term "woman" refers to. Also just because someone doesn't consider themselves woman doesn't mean they are agender. They could be a man or bigender.

I don’t want you give you a hard time here, but so we know if we are on the same page, do you agree that letters and meanings are two different things?

I said above letters form words and words have mean meanings but sometimes one string of letters can have multiple meanings.

GC: What is wrong with trans people working in sexual violence prevention? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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Many of those you wrongly assign with your gender identity are just people who are aware of being AFAB in your language which people on r/ftm are also aware of. As you claim to be against misgendering I would assume you are aware of the incongruity/pain you cause these biological females by assigning them a gender identity they don't have. 

If someone doesn't have a gender identity than they are agender which is part of non-binary.

Elliot Page called themselves a woman before transitioning, was Elliot Page a “cis woman” to you before going on T? If they were a “cis woman” just like how you identify as, why would a “cis woman” choose to transition?

He was a man, he just wasn't out yet.

In your language the letters “woman” would only refer to people who share your gender identity. You misgendering people as sharing your gender identity when they don’t doesn’t change that many of the biological females you call “women” actually aren’t “women” in your language, they are just being misgendered as such by you.

I don't call every AFAB person "woman." I only call them women if they consider themselves women. If they consider themselves something other than woman I dont use that term for them. I sometimes use the term "women" for people who present as female, for instance when I say women experience sexual harassment. A passing trans man will not experience sexual harassment, but a trans man who has not physically transitioned may experience the same sexism women do.

GC: What is wrong with trans people working in sexual violence prevention? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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Fair enough.

By "cis women" I meant people who were born female and still consider themselves women/girls and don't take T to appear masculine. By "cis men" I meant people who were born male and still consider themselves men/boys, call themselves men, say they are men, etc. and don't take E to appear more feminine. Since the term "women" refers refers to both cis and trans women and the term "men" refers refers to both cis and trans men I decided to be more specific.

GC: What is wrong with trans people working in sexual violence prevention? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

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Being forced to interact with people of the same biological sex the victim was victimized by is a common enough trigger that it should be something traumatized victims should be allowed to opt out off.

What about cis women who were raped by other cis women? Or men raped by other cis men? Should they be forced to interact with other members of their birth sex?

Should GC feminists stop associating with conservatives on topics in which they’re interests are aligned? by Heimdekledi in GCdebatesQT

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Most GCs try not to associate with conservatives. In fact for most GCs, their only conservative beliefs are about trans people. However, many sites that don't allow right wing rhetoric also ban gender criticals views so GCs end up posting on Saidit or Odysee which of course don't censor right wing views but are one of the few places where GC views are welcome.

QT: why should "transwomen" be allowed into women's spaces at all? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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We are asking for restrooms and other spaces to not be sex segregated. We think sex segregation in public spaces is not a right.

QT: why should "transwomen" be allowed into women's spaces at all? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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That law is totally fair. I don't vote for politicians who do not support trans rights.

I don't know much about the rest of the world so I mainly speak about the US.

QT: why should "transwomen" be allowed into women's spaces at all? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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If males aren’t allowed in female spaces then there should be no males for a woman to have to ask to leave a female space so…

I disagree with the idea of male and female spaces so…

You wouldn’t have any basis for asking a female to leave a female space just because she spoke up for her rights.

Where are sex segregated spaces a right? Is it written in the constitution? In the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights? In the Geneva conventions? Nope.

In fact, in my state which is New York it's illegal to deny "the use of rest rooms, locker rooms, or other facilities consistent with a person's gender identity." There are even signs posted in front of bathrooms that people have the right to use the restroom that matches their gender identity and anyone who harasses a person on this basis will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. I support this and I don't vote for politicians that don't support transgender rights.

https://dhr.ny.gov/genda

Also- if a woman is bothered by a male in a space he doesn’t belong he is in fact bothering her just by being there.

That's not the definition of bothering. Bothering is to annoy someone with petty provocation. If someone is not talking to you and not getting in your way, they are not bothering you. If you are bothered by someone's mere presence, that's your problem and not theirs.

QT: why should "transwomen" be allowed into women's spaces at all? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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And the pages and pages I could provide would vastly outnumber your links. You can ignore it all you want, the whole world knows what I’m saying is true. It’s not even a claim denied by tras, so I’m not sure why you’re trying to avoid admitting it lol

I do agree men overall are more violent than women, but you can't ban someone from a public space because they have the potential to commit a crime. That's not how it works.

No, women with records shouldn’t be forced to use the space meant for the opposite sex.

But these women are more likely to assault other women, so by the same logic GCs use, they should be made to use men's spaces to reduce the risk for women who don't repeatedly offend.

Your condemnation means nothing but stay woke buddy

Harassing a trans person in the bathroom means jail time. In my state its illegal to harass people who use restrooms that don't align with their birth sex.

We don’t want to keep males out of female spaces just because they may cause harm. We want to keep males out of female spaces because they are male. As in, not female. It’s that simple.

Is this a constitutional right or a right declared elsewhere?

QT: why should "transwomen" be allowed into women's spaces at all? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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So every single time in your life you entered a female space and there was no male you actively felt discomfort? Why?

I would feel discomfort if I saw someone asking someone else to leave a public place when the other person isn't harassing or bothering anyone. In fact, I would ask that person to leave, because nothing is stopping me and if they can harass a person why can't I?

🎉OMG YOURE SO WOKE YOU HAD THE GUTS TO “CORRECT” YOUR OWN DADDY! PAT YOURSELF ON THE BACK (because no one else gives a fuck, probably including your dad)

Yes and I will correct anyone, male or female. GCs claim the trans rights movement is a men's rights movement. If that's the case, why are women the ones supporting it and men aren't?

QT: why should "transwomen" be allowed into women's spaces at all? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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Oh you have specific incidents. How cool.

It would take me a lifetime to post links to the crimes committed by men.

That’s the point.

I can provide pages and pages of links. I just don't have the time or energy.

My point is you can't ban someone from a public place because they might commit a crime. When you step out of your home, every adult has a chance to rob or assault you. Should all men have a curfew between the hours of 7-9 PM because I am harassed by some men at this time? Should women with prior history of assaults be required to use the men's room because there is a chance they might assault women in the women's restroom? That's not how it works. Anyone can enter a public restroom and I will condemn anyone who violates this right of others.

QT: why should "transwomen" be allowed into women's spaces at all? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Those women wouldn’t be uncomfortable or unsafe because men can’t enter our spaces.

How do you know they wouldn’t be uncomfortable? Have you asked them? I would be uncomfortable.

60% being open to sharing does not equal 60% of women actually being tras/believing TWAW. They could, and likely do, just believe that TW are at risk and are open to protecting them by sharing spaces, or they just don’t mind sharing spaces regardless. Again- two different mindsets. 60% of women haven’t fully drank the kool aid, they just took a sip.

Women are still more likely to be TRAs than men. Even in sports, more cis women than cis men feel that trans women should be allowed to compete in women’s sports.

Everyday Feminism is an online social justice and trans-supportive news magazine, which was founded by an East Asian woman named Sandra Kim. r/GenderCynical, a sub meant to document and refute illogical GC arguments, was founded by a cis woman. woman. She is the president of the site and even wrote an article titled What Cis Folk Have In Common With Trans Folk. BabyCenter is a pregnancy and birth forum. The users there totally support transgender people, and will quickly call you the T-acronym and shut you down if you express gender critical views. Visit the Debate Team and Bargain Hunters boards for proof.

My dad is a cis man. Last year my sister and I overheard him misgender pediatrician Rachel Levine while talking on the phone with his brother. We corrected our father and insisted he use "she". He is a cis man and we are both cis women.

QT: why should "transwomen" be allowed into women's spaces at all? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

How many mean and violent women are attacking strangers or attacking people in public spaces?

https://www.localdvm.com/news/virginia/manassas-woman-arrested-for-assault-of-multiple-people-including-officer/

https://globalnews.ca/news/8599276/woman-arrested-for-second-random-assault-in-4-days-vancouver-police/

https://people.com/crime/axe-wielding-tennessee-woman-arrested-for-allegedly-violating-protection-order-attacking-family-members/

https://www.wdsu.com/article/woman-arrested-for-battery-assault-of-police-officer-who-stopped-her-for-speeding/39299435

https://times-herald.com/news/2022/04/newnan-woman-arrested-after-attacking-man-on-property

https://news.yahoo.com/woman-23-arrested-alleged-assault-035300425.html

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10695925/Crazed-woman-attacks-couple-Samurai-SWORD-refuse-threesome.html

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/minor-arrested-as-main-aggressor-in-senseless-attack-on-76-year-old-nyc-woman-source/3633565/

https://www.yourbasin.com/news/woman-arrested-after-attacking-brother-police-say/

https://cbs12.com/news/local/woman-attacks-father-after-he-opens-package-containing-sex-toy

https://www.kait8.com/2022/04/02/woman-arrested-accused-attacking-nurse/

https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/04/06/pleasant-hill-woman-arrested-child-rescued-after-knife-attack-police-standoff/

https://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/bangalore/woman-arrested-for-killing-husband/article65311758.ece

https://www.vvng.com/43-year-old-woman-arrested-after-burglarizing-a-home-and-attacking-a-deputy-in-hesperia/

https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/story/2022-03-31/santee-woman-arrested-suspected-in-attack-that-left-girlfriend-critically-injured

https://abc7.com/bell-violent-attack-caught-on-video-arrest/11690980/

https://www.villages-news.com/2022/04/04/woman-arrested-after-alleged-knife-attack-on-live-in-man-friend/

https://www.hannapub.com/ouachitacitizen/news/crime/monroe-woman-arrested-for-attacking-officer-administering-aid-to-her-husband/article_95bd6278-aa34-11ec-8c8d-c7300b8cbf23.html

https://www.newburyportnews.com/news/elderly-woman-charged-with-arson-attacking-neighbor-with-pliers/article_7df90c68-aacb-11ec-a491-a7fc9a2d8f2f.html

https://www.villages-news.com/2022/03/30/oakland-hills-woman-arrested-in-alleged-attack-on-neighbor-mowing-lawn/

https://news.yahoo.com/morgantown-woman-arrested-assault-baseball-040100289.html

https://globalnews.ca/news/8737569/waterloo-dating-site-attack-toronto-woman-arrested/

https://globalnews.ca/news/8737569/waterloo-dating-site-attack-toronto-woman-arrested/

https://www.golocalprov.com/news/women-arrested-for-atv-gang-beating-of-woman-served-60-days-and-was-just-ar

https://www.mercurynews.com/2022/03/24/sentencing-in-attack-on-southwest-flight-is-delayed-when-northern-california-woman-is-arrested-again/

https://www.villages-news.com/2022/03/16/suicidal-woman-arrested-after-alleged-attack-on-man-and-child-at-rv-park/

https://www.ksla.com/2022/03/22/4-teens-arrested-brutal-carjacking-that-severed-elderly-womans-arm-killed-her/

https://spacecoastdaily.com/2022/03/titusville-woman-arrested-by-police-after-march-15-knife-attack-on-rock-pit-road/

https://www.today.ng/news/metro/pregnant-woman-arrested-attacking-cyclist-snatching-tricycle-417002

https://eastcountytoday.net/pleasant-hill-police-say-woman-arrested-after-domestic-violence-incident/

https://abcnews.go.com/US/suspect-large-87-year-woman-dies-unprovoked-shoving/story?id=83486278

https://www.countypress.co.uk/news/20040399.isle-wight-woman-arrested-following-attack-pensioner/

https://www.the-star.co.ke/counties/central/2022-04-10-muranga-woman-arrested-after-six-relatives-die-in-fire/

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/dehradun-news/woman-arrested-for-misbehaving-with-cops-at-manimajra-police-station-101649619556732.html

https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/pune/19-yr-olds-stalker-arrested-for-attacking-her-neighbour-with-a-cutter-police-7857090/

https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/scottish-news/20023455.woman-arrested-serious-assault-westerton-train-station-near-glasgow/

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-nottinghamshire-60821593

https://www.everythinglubbock.com/news/local-news/woman-arrested-after-attacking-a-man-with-two-machetes-lpd-report-says/

https://abc7.com/california-mcdonalds-mother-attacked-drive-thru-assault/11618528/

https://www.channel3000.com/chicago-woman-arrested-for-attacking-man-shed-previously-stalked-police-say/

https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/kentucky-woman-arrested-assault-law-enforcement-during-jan-6-capitol-breach

https://wvmetronews.com/2022/01/24/woman-arrested-after-emergency-room-attack/

https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/2022/02/09/man-woman-arrested-after-attacking-boy-on-bicycle-palm-bay-police-say/

https://www.wcjb.com/2022/03/07/woman-arrested-assault-charges-after-road-rage-incident-gainesville/

https://www.wilx.com/2021/10/25/woman-arrested-attacking-man-with-knife/

https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/airline-news/2021/11/28/woman-arrested-attacking-spirit-airlines-flight-attendants/8789173002/

https://www.wric.com/news/local-news/the-tri-cities/petersburg-woman-arrested-for-assault-at-elementary-school/

https://kwhi.com/2022/03/09/brenham-woman-arrested-on-assault-charges-2/

https://www.wistv.com/2022/03/11/three-adults-charged-connection-with-violent-attack-elderly-woman/

https://www.kimt.com/news/freeborn-mower-counties/court-docs-austin-woman-arrested-for-attacking-police-with-meat-cleaver/article_15672c3e-7880-11ec-926a-235f6c0a910a.html

https://www.hutchnews.com/story/news/2022/02/04/arlington-woman-arrested-aggravated-assault-hammer-attack/6664641001/

https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/florida/os-ne-police-florida-woman-attack-man-with-glitter-face-felony-charges-20220111-kyx3jsvdb5gvpjg2gi2kiviok4-story.html

https://www.fox5ny.com/news/woman-arrested-for-road-rage-attack-on-teen-driver

https://www.abc23.com/newspost/johnstown-woman-arrested-for-assault-on-a-nurse/

https://www.kalb.com/2021/10/05/boyce-woman-arrested-attacking-boyfriend/

https://connecticut.news12.com/guilford-woman-arrested-in-assault-of-student-during-high-school-hockey-game

https://elkodaily.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/woman-arrested-on-assault-with-deadly-weapon-warrant/article_02adf1ca-492d-5a0e-aab9-074f72139cd1.html

https://www.pasadenastarnews.com/2022/03/07/naked-suspect-attacks-pasadena-senior-with-coffee-cup/

https://www.ncnewsonline.com/news/local_news/woman-arrested-for-reported-assault/article_9e6bcf30-7899-11ec-88d0-9f8573fb939e.html

https://dothaneagle.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/dothan-woman-arrested-for-attacking-man-working-on-her-car/article_97c148fa-2159-11ec-b4c9-8fba50d09132.html

https://www.wtva.com/news/local/nettleton-woman-arrested-for-assault-in-tupelo/article_8b332dd0-789b-11ec-a848-9368f22f4477.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/oregon-washington-abolish-ice-attack-b1902781.html

https://www.npr.org/2022/01/30/1076802796/kansas-woman-arrested--all-female-isis-battalion

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/woman-arrested-after-random-attack-with-frying-pan-bellevue/VOASETWFVFGD5BBU7TE7XLZTNE/

https://www.fox8live.com/2022/02/27/woman-accused-knife-attack-2-people-seventh-ward-home-nopd-says/

https://wach.com/news/local/lexington-county-woman-arrested-and-charged-for-attacking-a-man-with-a-bottle

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10347487/Woman-arrested-FBI-injuring-people-flight-crew-Delta-flight.html

https://www.fox4news.com/news/allen-mom-arrested-for-attacking-teens-adult-at-murphy-basketball-tournament

https://www.villages-news.com/2022/01/03/coleman-woman-arrested-after-scissors-attack-leaves-man-with-injury-near-eye/

https://bakersfieldnow.com/news/local/woman-arrested-following-random-assault-spree-in-santa-monica-10-20-2021

QT: why should "transwomen" be allowed into women's spaces at all? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Perhaps yes, the results may be very different. However, I notice all polls about trans issues have one thing in common. Some polls show an increase in support for trans rights. Others show a decrease in support for trans rights. But the one thing they all have in common is that women are significantly more likely to support trans rights than men. This is true for every poll I have seen that surveys both women and men. In fact, cis women are the biggest allies to trans people. I'd bet all my life savings that if there was a poll that informed participants beforehand that 85% of transwomen choose to keep their penises and use them sexually and that a large majority of transwomen are attracted to women, women would still be more supportive of trans rights than men.

QT: why should "transwomen" be allowed into women's spaces at all? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thing is, 40% is a lot of uncomfortable women, even if it’s not the majority.

60% is even more uncomfortable women. I and the rest of us would be uncomfortable if trans women were not allowed in women's restrooms. Policies are decided by majority rule. Politicians are elected by majority rule. That's what a democracy is. Majority rules.

The 60% of women who dgaf would still be safe if all females had their own spaces.

You don't get to decide if they will still be safe. They do.

Also, what about girls? Do you have any polls or stats on the feelings of the underage girls who use those spaces too?

All those women were underage girls at one point.

In all honesty at this point I’m almost petty enough to just agree to unisex everything rather than give specific men special privileges over me.

That's what I want too.

QT: why should "transwomen" be allowed into women's spaces at all? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Women can be mean and violent too. Just watch the news and all those true crime documentaries.

QT: why should "transwomen" be allowed into women's spaces at all? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

First, most women don't want sex-segregated spaces, and I can say that confidently. I know I cited this study a hundred times, but only 40% of women support requiring trans people to use bathrooms corresponding to their assigned sex at birth. That means 60% of women are OK with otherwise. 60% is more than half of women. 51% of cis men support requiring trans people to use bathrooms corresponding to their assigned sex at birth. Also, according to this poll, 59% of men support banning trans women in women's sports compared to 46% of women. 29% of men oppose banning trans women in women's sports compared to 34% of women.

Every poll I find about trans issues, they all have one thing in common. Regardless of percentage results or fluctuation, cis women are more likely to support trans rights than cis men. Why? I've seen talks in gender critical spaces about "class analysis" and what's good for women as a class. Considering that, studies show women as a class don't want sex segregated spaces. Well, most women don't want sex segregated spaces. 60% of women is a lot.

I am a cis woman. I am also an Ashkenazi Jew, learning disabled and I have been a teenage girl and a victim of sexual harassment numerous times. I am still against sex segregated spaces. While it's only men harassing me on the street, 99% of men aren't harassing me. Any man who commits sexual harassment or assault should face consequences in the justice system. Actually this applies to everyone, not just men. A few weeks ago a strange man on the street made me uncomfortable. Even if a few men are sexually harassing me, I can't expect all men to be banned from the street that time in the evening, or banned from that particular area. Nor do I want this. My privacy is also not violated by having a man in the women's restroom. Restrooms have stalls, so unless I don't lock the door I have all the privacy I need in the world, regardless of who is washing their bands next to me.

QT: why should "transwomen" be allowed into women's spaces at all? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

[–]Genderbender 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

These spaces shouldn't be segregated to begin with.

What do you think about what’s happening in Texas by Heimdekledi in GCdebatesQT

[–]Genderbender 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes.

What do you think about what’s happening in Texas by Heimdekledi in GCdebatesQT

[–]Genderbender 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am personally against the "affirmation-only" model as some people do regret transitioning. Kids are also more likely to be easily influenced/pressured by adults. But criminalizing all physical transition for minors is going to far. I do think standards of care should be developed for trans kids, including being able to identify kids likely to regret transitioning in the future. Also in most states you can get a tattoo at 16. If you're old enough to get a tattoo, you're old enough to start hormones.

GC: What is wrong with trans people working in sexual violence prevention? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Genderbender[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

When the social justice community uses the term "sex positivity" they mean not to sex-shame women. I say women because people sex-shame women more than men. For instance a man who sleeps around with a lot of girls is praised as lucky for being able to get so many girls to like him. A woman who does the same thing is told she is a whore, slut, doesn't value herself or didn't have a daddy growing up to tell her she's beautiful, as if daddy is supposed to dictate her sexuality. Sex positivity says a woman can be porn star, stripper, promiscuous or otherwise enjoy sex and still value herself. Sex positivity also says none of these things are an excuse for rape. Sex workers can also be victims of rape, and being a sex worker doesn't mean you deserve it. No one deserves to be raped or asked to be raped. Sex positivity does not mean that rape victims must be positive about sex all the time.

The term "sex positivity" is used in social justice circles. Social justice communities accept and welcome people of any identity or sexuality, including asexual people. Social justice communities are also vocal about consent. Just browse r/socialjustice101 and other social justice communities to find out. Though most social justice communities currently focus on racism.

Also, some users did say that Ruggles shouldn't be in this role because he's trans. Here are some examples of comments in that thread.

Ruggles is trans, queer and polyamorous,

That's 3 red flags right there!!!🚩🚩🚩

“Trans, queer and polyamorous” aka a delusional wannabe promiscuous heterosexual who has no clue about anything and shouldn’t be anywhere near rape victims.

Once again a story that confirms the inmates at Arkham Asylum are the hospital.

Nothing better than being assisted by a male fetishist right after being raped by a male fetishist!

There's not one single woman in the world who accepts being an actual woman, who could do this position?

GC: What is wrong with trans people working in sexual violence prevention? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Genderbender[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I said I am looking for "cis women only". I checked back yesterday and so far no threats or anything like that.

GC: What is wrong with trans people working in sexual violence prevention? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Genderbender[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

On October 26, 2021 the BBC wrote an article titled "We're being pressured into sex by some trans women". It caused a lot of controversy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22We%27re_being_pressured_into_sex_by_some_trans_women%22

GC: What is wrong with trans people working in sexual violence prevention? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Genderbender[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You're admiting in this very comment how you want the women you disagree with to be silenced.

I do not want women and men I disagree with to be silenced. Moreover, it is literally impossible to silence people. Yes, most major social media sites do not allow gender critical views, but you can still find then on Ovarit, Saidit, Spinster, Women Are Human, Feminist Current, Mumsnet, Odysee, personal blogs etc. if you google it's not hard to find gender critical views. That said people can choose what media they consume. I personally don't trust news sources that misgender people or post anti-trans views. If Wikipedia began misgendering people in their articles, I would stop donating to them. Likewise, you are free not to use Wikipedia if you don't agree with this. On r/socialjustice101 a user posted a thread titled Uber sued by DOJ overcharging disabled people and in the OP linked to an article from BBC. A user replied "Is there another place I can read about this that isn't a [T-slur] Island mouthpiece?" and OP replied to the user an NPR article with the same information.

Also do NOT use the T-slur here.

I did not use the T-slur. I merely said that's what users on BabyCenter would call you if you express gender critical views.

40% is still a large amount of women to dismiss. You are telling all those women they should ignore their own boundaries only because you think so.

60% of women is an even larger amount of women to dismiss.

GC: What is wrong with trans people working in sexual violence prevention? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Genderbender[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I used a false name and random pics.

GC: What is wrong with trans people working in sexual violence prevention? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Genderbender[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

We're already have this conversation before. I do NOT "identify" as a woman. I am one. This is a matter of biology, not ideology. And you have admitted before that being "cis" implies to accept sex-based stereotypes as innate.

You may not "identify" as a woman but you consider yourself a woman, if that's the language you want to use. Lia Thomas is also a woman. So is Oprah, Laverne Cox, Rihanna, MJ Rodriguez and me. I never said being cis means to accept sex based stereotypes. By "cis" we mean what someone considers themself, not stereotypes.

Not, this is why SEX is relevant. Thomas' "gender identity" have nothing to do with his atlethic advantage or his behaviour in changing rooms or the fact society pander and defend him.

Society would also "pander" to a trans man who was changing in the men's room. I'm glad Gavin Grimm went after his former high school.

What is the difference between Thomas and a naked man who don't "identifies" as the opposite sex and gets into the female changing rooms?

What is the difference between seeing a vagina and seeing a penis? Genitalia is genitalia. As I said, if cis women are not allowed to display their genitalia, than neither should Lia Thomas.

So, you like being lied to?

No, I like when people are respected, and that means using preferred pronouns.

Yeah, I though so. Now, tell me why do you think men would not lie about their "gender identity" for their own benefit?

I'm sure there are men who would do that but my point is you can't exclude people from public places because they belong to a certain demographic. My high school had airport style metal detectors you had to go through before entering the school. Statistically most school shooters are white males yet every student had the same scanning procedure and were scrutinized equally regardless of what demographic they belonged to. It's not like white males were required to go through separate lines and receive more intense searches.

Likewise, you you can't ban people from public spaces just because they might commit a crime. If a man implanted a camera in the bathroom stall, we would put him in jail. We would do the same thing if a woman implanted a camera. If someone is implanting a camera, it's their behavior that is the problem, not their mere presence. Likewise, if someone robs you on the street, it's their behavior that is the problem, not their presence. By your logic people in demographics who are more likely to rob someone should not have a curfew or walk different streets than the rest of us. We all have the potential to commit a crime. This is not being against safeguarding or prevention.

GC: What is wrong with trans people working in sexual violence prevention? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Genderbender[S] 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

"Cis" imply that someone believe in sex-based stereotypes and they conform to the stereotypes and roles expected from their sex (the biological category, you know?).

Cis means someone primarily identifies with their birth sex. For instance, if you were born female and identify as a woman, you would be considered a cis woman. You don't have to conform to any stereotypes and roles. You can have short hair, wear ties, work long hours in construction and prefer video games instead of shopping at the mall, and still be considered cis.

I don't know what Thomas' female teammates really think about these issues, but I think is a safe bet they are likely very aware about the phisiological differences beetween Thomas and them, and how they are treated very different by society.

This is why we use terms like cis and trans when relevant.

Please, tell us how do you know Thomas is a "woman". Is the way his swimsuit highlight his very obviously male body?

Thomas prefers she/her pronouns and we should respect that.

Is the penis he exposes to his teammates in the changing rooms? Is the fact he is guity of exhibiotionism and vouyerism, two crimes that are mostly commited by males?

If other women are not allowed to expose their genitalia, then neither should she. If that’s the case, she should absolutely be charged with exhibitionism and voyeurism. If the other women are allowed to expose their genitalia, why can’t she? Genitalia is genitalia, regardless if it's a penis, vagina or something ambiguous.

Is the way even critical Media uses feminine pronouns to describe this man?

Many people including myself would not read/watch media and outlets that use the wrong pronouns for people.

I'm being serius here, genderbender, why do you think this man is any sort of "woman"? Is all because he SAYS he is a "woman"? Is that enough to qualify as a one?

Yes.

Do you want I give you again those links showing how trans identified males (aka "transwomen") retain male patterns of criminality and how unisex restrooms are more dangerous for women?

Again, you can't ban someone from a place because they might commit a crime or because of what demographic they belong to.

GC: What is wrong with trans people working in sexual violence prevention? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Genderbender[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I am a natal woman and I don't understand this either. Also, how can I be silencing natal women when I'm a natal woman myself?

According to a PPRI study, only 40% of women support requiring trans people to use bathrooms corresponding to their assigned sex at birth. That means 60% of women, more than half, are OK with trans women in their restrooms. 51% of men support requiring transgender individuals people to use bathrooms corresponding to their assigned sex at birth. So cis men are more likely to think trans women don't belong in women's restrooms then cis women. Also, in every poll I find about this trans issues, they all have one thing in common. Regardless of percentage results or fluctuation, cis women are more likely to support trans rights than cis men. According to a poll, 59% of men support banning trans women in women's sports compared to 46% of women. 29% of men oppose banning trans women in women's sports compared to 34% of women. Men are more likely to agree with gender critical views then women.

r/GenderCynical, a sub meant to document and refute illogical GC arguments, was founded by a cis woman. I used to post there regularly on one of my Reddit accounts. Everyday Feminism was founded by Sandra Kim, an East Asian cis woman. She is the president of the site. She even wrote an article titled What Cis Folk Have In Common With Trans Folk. BabyCenter is a pregnancy and birth forum. The users there totally support transgender people, and will quickly call you the T-slur and shut you down if you express gender critical views. Visit the Debate Team and Bargain Hunters boards for proof.

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[–]Genderbender[S] 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

You keep telling us how women (the kind that produces large gametes, you know) do NOT have a right to single-sex spaces, and yet here you are saying consent is important for queer theory. I mean, really?

Those are cis women. You can say the category.

Do you think Lia Thomas, who is sexually atracted to women, cares about consent went he exposes his intact male genitalia in the changing rooms despite the female swimmers have made clear their disconfort? Do you think the university staff care about consent when they tell the women to get over their disconfort?

Lia Thomas is a she. Anyway, if the cis female swimmers are uncomfortable changing around her, they should change in private. For this very reason locker rooms should have stalls instead of having everyone change out in the open. That way no one's genitalia is exposed. I just don't understand how changing in front of people you don't know became normalized. Just because someone is the same sex as you doesn't make it OK.

QTs are not against boundaries, we just have a different idea of boundaries than GCs. For instance, we think its harassment for a cis woman to tell a random trans woman in a restroom she doesn't belong. Since restrooms are separated by stalls, you already have all the privacy. I know the argument that a trans woman may implant a camera, which cis women are also capable of doing, but you can't ban someone from a public place because they might commit a crime. It doesn't work that way.

QTs feel trans women are women and trans men are men. Most QTs believe however no one is owed sex and rapists should be prosecuted. That's what I meant when I said queer theorists are not about breaking boundaries.

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[–]Genderbender[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'll try it.

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[–]Genderbender[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Certainly if someone signs up to queer theory, trans or not, that is all about breaking down people's boundaries which is exactly the opposite of what victims of sexual crimes need.

I disagree with that. Everyday Feminism is a site that subscribes to queer theory. In 2015 they did an article titled The Problem With How We’ve Defined Consent. They wrote "While every no means no, not every yes means yes." And there was even an Ovarit thread talking about this very issue but I can't find it. If queer theorists were all about breaking boundaries, they would not have written this article. Everyday Feminism has multiple articles about consent, as well as other sites and outlets that subscribe to queer theorey.

Also, most trans people and their allies believe its OK to not want to date or have sex with anyone for any reason. Yes there are exceptions but for the most part most trans people will respect your boundaries if you don't want to date or sleep with them.

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[–]Genderbender[S] 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

How do you know that? People assigned female at birth (cis or trans) are certainly capable of having fetishes.

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Ruggles is quite obviously a natal female, so there should be no concern about sinister motivations of any type.

I don't think him being a natal female means we should scrutinize him less. For instance, if someone has a history of abusing children they should not work in public schools, regardless if they are male or female. If he had sinister motivations, that wouldn't change if he was in a different demographic. We need to assess people's behaviors, not demographics.

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[–]Genderbender 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It shouldn’t matter that over 90% of perpetrators of violent and sexual crimes are male? What the actual fuck? How does that not matter?

Those are gender differences and yes they do matter.

I’m starting to think you don’t understand safeguarding on any level gb.

This is like saying we shouldn’t have shark nets or lifeguards or know where sharks congregate. We should all just swim until someone is eaten, then be mad at the shark.

Where exactly did I say I am against safeguarding? Being against sex-segregated spaces ≠ being against safeguarding.

We might as well do away with background checks and hire sexual offenders in schools.

GC logic says we should only background check male applicants, or at least subject them to more intense scrutiny.

All tra that says transwomen are lesbians and transmen are gay men are redefining homosexuality for homosexual people. It cannot be more clearly explained to you without having to resort to some very explicit images I’d rather not have to get.

Trans women attracted to other women are lesbians and trans men attracted to other men are gay men.

It’s not about being approached once, that’s such bullshit. It’s about homosexual people being told day in day out by this stupid little tra movement that homosexuality is wrong and they should just try sleeping with the opposite sex instead of being a big gay bigot.

The movement as a whole is not doing this.

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[–]Genderbender 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

What is the benefit to society in pretending that sex is irrelevant to things like crime stats when sex is heavily correlated to violent crime?

If someone commits a crime, they committed a crime. Their sex doesn't matter and shouldn't determine how horrible the crime is.

What is the end goal of telling homosexuals their sexuality is wrong and must be based on gender instead?

Most people are not telling homosexuals their sexuality is wrong. If you're not attracted to trans people, that's 100% fine.

What problems are solved by forcing people to pretend their perceptions are inaccurate and that sexual dimorphism in humans went away?

Sexual dimorphism is only relevant in medical, reproductive and sometimes dating contexts because some people don't want to date trans people. Otherwise sex is not relevant.

How about the fact that most lesbians hate being told they should accept males in their dating pools?

If a cis lesbian is at a lesbian meetup and a trans lesbian approaches her to ask her out and the cis lesbian rejects her, that's totally fine. She can reject the other woman for any reason she wants, even if the reason is solely because the other woman is trans. In most situations like this the trans person accepts the rejection and doesn't ask again.

How about most gay men do not like being told to touch a vagina?

I don't think straight men like to be told to touch a vagina. I'm sure if I asked random straight dudes to touch my vagina they wouldn't be pleases.

How about most women with a preference for short hair and masculine clothing prefer not to be asked if they are men?

Then they shouldn't be asked. I use pronouns based on someone's appearance unless I know that person prefers different pronouns.

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[–]Genderbender 2 insightful - 4 fun2 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Most trans men prefer he/him pronouns so I suggest you use that. To answer your question, I wouldn't tell a trans man to get his prostate checked because he doesn't have a prostate. I am aware of the difference between biological sex and gender identity, I just don't think biological sex is relevant outside the medical and reproductive context. For instance, I don't believe spaces like bathrooms and changing rooms should be segregated by sex. I don't think birth sex should determine what pronouns we should use for a pronoun and what words should someone use to describe their sexual orientation. A trans woman can totally be a lesbian and a cis woman and a trans man in a relationship can characterize their relationship and their sexual orientations as straight. Animals can't form their own identities.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

It's not transphobic to not want to date or not to be attracted to trans people. Heck, you are allowed to reject people for any reason, including the fact that they're trans, they have a birthmark, they're fat, or their race, etc. We do consider the r/superstraight sub transphobic because it turned into gender critical 2.0 or another LGBdroptheT. We also consider it transphobic to exclude trans people from homosexual spaces if they identify with that sexuality. One example of this is when r/AskGayBros says trans men are women and tells them they do not belong there, even though trans men are men and the space was equally made for them.

Sex is the sex you identify, present and pass as. If a trans man was on T for a couple of years, had top and bottom surgery, presents and passes as a man then he can go to a gay orgy or gay sauna.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Transsexual people change their sex characteristics so cis men who date trans men can be considered gay men if the trans man presents and passes as a man. Super gay describes gay men who aren't attracted to trans men. QT believes it's wrong to tell a gay person "no, you're really bisexual" if they identify as gay or straight. Being attracted to trans people who identify and present as the sex you're attracted to doesn't necessarily make you bisexual.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Before 2018, non-profits were required to disclose information about donors who contributed $5,000 or more. The rules were amended so non-profits don't have to disclose donor information at all. I donated to Wikipedia as well as various other non-profits. When I googled my name, I couldn't find anything about the donations.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

TRAs aren't louder than other groups. Also, we aren't a small group.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

TRAs aren't any louder than any other group. Donations are 100% anonymous, unless someone has access to your credit card history.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nobody can stop donations but they can absolutely launch online and irl campaigns and demands by claiming transphobia and kicking up a stink until it becomes bad press.

True but an online campaign wouldn't do anything unless the majority of people were TRAs.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

People can donate wherever they want. Vancouver city council defunded Vancouver Rape Relief and then GoFundMe cancelled the fundraiser. Yet people frequently donate directly on their website to this day. No one can stop people from donating, even TRAs. If enough people would stop donating that Wikipedia wouldn't function, that would mean most people are TRAs.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We don't believe sex-segregated bathrooms and changing rooms should exist.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm a TRA and I am campaigning for private stalls.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Wikipedia defines homosexuality as "romantic attraction, sexual attraction, or sexual behavior between members of the same sex or gender."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

OK then if you are in a stall, you are covered by definition. It doesn't matter who is peeing in the next stall or who is washing their hands near you.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not redefining homosexuality. The definition of homosexuality is attraction to the same sex or gender. For instance, I am attracted to both cis men and passing trans men. I am not attracted to cis and passing trans women. I am straight. Yes, straight because I feel that weird breast describes my sexual orientation. I remember another user on this sub described themselves as a lesbian because they are attracted to cis women, trans men and enbies AFAB. That's OK too. People can use whatever words they feel best describes their sexual orientation.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Modesty and privacy are different things.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Women can do that too.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm not making rules for a group. I'm saying trans people attracted to the gender they identify with are part of the group.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

You brought up modesty. I am saying "modesty" is subjective. Everyone wants privacy, men women and enbies alike. That is exactly why I propose enclosed stalls. As long as no one is peaking into your stall, you have all the privacy in the world you can ask for.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If I was on a plane, and a Hasidic man sitting next to me is claiming it's immodest and against his religion to sit next to a woman and insists I switch seats, am I obligated to switch seats. Would I be wrong for refusing to switch seats? Would the airline be wrong for refusing to accommodate him?

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Some of the subs you listed are banned. I do agree most of the others should be banned and will contact Reddit about it.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Saying trans women are women or trans men are men is not being hostile to homosexual people. Saying trans men can be in gay bars or transbians can be in lesbian bars is not hostile.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Do you just have some problem with people liking privacy from strangers more than you do?

I have a different view of privacy than you do. It's is actually more private for a woman to change alone in an enclosed stall with who knows who is in the next stall than it is to undress in the visibility of a bunch of other women. If I was anti-privacy, I wouldn't be pushing for stalls.

Are they supposed to magically instantly unlearn a lifetime of modesty norms? All to suit a fraction of the population?

There are lots of societal norms people need to unlearn. Also, modesty is not a right. If I was on a plane and a Hasidic man sitting next to me demanded I switch seats because it's against his religion to sit next to a woman, my ass is staying parked in the seat unless I get moved to 1st class for free. No one else on the plane would be obligated to switch seats for him.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Which other subs are women hating?

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Strength as you mentioned, pregnancy and periods, prostate and sperm etc.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

If you mean AFAB, I don't mind support groups specific to AFAB people as long as they are addressing issues specific to AFAB people and not necessarily specific to women. I oppose AFAB and AMAB specific public restrooms and changing rooms.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

r/MGTOW was banned "for violating Reddit’s rule against promoting hate." r/TheRedPill was quarantined.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

In 2020, Reddit banned all the GC subs. Yet despite this, r/AskGayBros continues to be a platform for transphobic content. I do think if they explicitly banned trans men they would have also been banned.

I am well aware (cis) gay men are a marginalized group. Trans men are also a marginalized group. If the sub was saying things that are racist to black gay men, I'd call it out. If the sub said anti-Semitic thinks to gay Jews, I'd call it out. In this case, cis gay men are saying transphobic things to trans gay men, I'd call it out also. Being a part of a marginalized group doesn't give you the right to be hostile to other marginalized groups.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I'm personally fine with this as long as anyone who physically presents as male (regardless of birth sex) is allowed to enter.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Much of it depends on the space. If trans women wanted bathrooms and locker rooms exclusive to trans women, I would be opposed to it. If trans women wanted a support group for trans women, I wouldn't be opposed to it if the group was about discussing issues specific to trans women. If they are discussing general trans issues, the group should be open to trans men and enbies. Granted, people can gather with and associate with who they want but I don't think public bathrooms and changing rooms should exclude anyone based on sex.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

r/ActualLesbians is full of actual lesbians. There are also plenty of monosexual lesbians on that sub. If reddit banned all the GC subs and transphobic content is rampant on AGB, they should go to. I do think if the sub explicitly banned trans men they would have been banned also.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Or do you actually, after all, understand that some spaces are reserved for specific populations but just don't believe that female bodied people deserve their own spaces?

That's pretty much correct. I believe all public restrooms and changing rooms should be unisex. I also believe changing rooms should have stalls and stalls shouldn't have gaps to give people more privacy. Unless someone is peeking in your stall somehow, you have total privacy.

I feel the same about male spaces. Gavin Grimm and Nick H shouldn't have to sue their schools to be able to use the boys bathroom. As boys, they should already have that right.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I haven't seen much harassment on that sub. There are sometimes posts about trans men. There was a post asking users if they would date an AFAB enby who was male presenting. I see nothing wrong with that post. There are also posts once in a while that gay men should date X group or they are awful, etc. Those are not OK either. Unfortinately the mod is extremely lenient and doesn't remove those kind of posts.

However frequently on that sub gay cis men are telling gay trans men they are female even though they aren't or saying men do not have vaginas. Most men don't have vaginas but some do. r/ActualLesbians doesn't tolerate this kind of transphobia, why should AGB? If I were a mod there, I would ban any post that would be more appropriate for gender critical or LGBdroptheT. I asked the Reddit admins to add a trans man as a mod.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

By this logic prostate prostate or cervix exams are bad because they are not for both sexes. We shouldn’t be extra vigilant for sickle cell anemia in people with African heritage despite the higher likelihood of having it..

These are medical issues, not safety issues.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Women can just stay home if they don’t want to risk being harmed.

When you go outside in public, there is a risk of being harmed. This is true for everyone, men, women and enbies.

Yet again you are busting out rhetoric that is dangerously close to victim blaming.

That is not close to victim blaming.

Do you object to guard rails? Signs pointing out hazards? Helmets? Or are you only upset when women have safeguards?

I don't object to safeguards as long as they are applied to adults EQUALLY. Imagine if only women were told to wear helmets when riding a bike but not men. I would object to that. If a sign claimed something is hazardous to people of a certain race, I would object to that.

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[–]Genderbender 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

The person who they confronted was a woman though. What if that person was a detransitioning trans man and still has a male sounding voice?

In my state it's illegal to deny "the use of rest rooms, locker rooms, or other facilities consistent with a person's gender identity." When I was in college signs were posted in each bathrooms about the law and anyone who harasses a person in the restroom will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. These signs were posted in vocational school, and are posted in public parks and libraries. Not only do I consider it harassment, the state does too and will prosecute you for this.

https://dhr.ny.gov/genda

If you want a space exclusively for females, you are welcome to create one in your own home.