GC: What is the sexual orientation of chasers/gynandromorphophiles?

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[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

It's up to that man to decide what labels best describe his sexual orientation. Straight, gay, bi and pan are all possibilities.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 5 insightful - 3 fun5 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

So this means gay, straight, bisexual, each have no distinct meaning whatsoever and no term exists to describe any healthy human sexual attraction whether it’s same sex, opposite sex, or both. No possible sexuality can be described by just one term by everyone, right? Cause someone might not like it if they don’t get to call themselves gay or whatever?

Let me ask you this, does this lack of definitions extend to dangerous paraphilias like pedophila? Why or why not?

I’m sure you’ll choose to not answer this like anything else I ask you because you may have to question your preferred assumptions but indulge me, please.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

For cis people exclusively attracted to cis people, sexuality is pretty straightforward. Gay men are exclusively attracted to men and lesbians are exclusively attracted to women. Straight men are exclusively attracted to women and straight women are exclusively attracted to men. But in general sexuality isn't as straightforward. For instance, a gay cis man can be attracted to a trans man if that man presents as male or has masculine features. And although trans women are not men, if she presents masculine enough or has male features (such as a penis) I can see why a gay man might be attracted to her. Neither of those situations necessarily make the cis man bisexual, unless he personally identifies that way.

I'm straight. I have a friend who is a trans woman and I used to be attracted to her even when she openly identified as female. But after a year on estrogen her skin and face became feminized and since I am not attracted to woman I am not attracted to her, but a lesbian might be attracted to her. I am attracted to passing trans men. I am straight and dating trans people who identify with my sex doesn't change my sexuality. There are no "lack of definitions" it's just that sexuality isn't always straightforward.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

This means yes, straight, gay, and bi all lack a commonly shared meaning, and can mean different things to different people. This makes the terms useless.

Please answer the question about pedophilia and whether it has one definition or not. This endless evasion is suggesting that you are less interested in discussion and more interested in proselytism.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (3 children)

That does not mean that sexual orientations lack a commonly shared meaning. A gay man is exclusively attracted to people with male features, while a lesbian is a woman exclusively attracted exclusively to people with feminine features, which can include cis women, trans women and trans men who don't pass.

Pedophilia is not a sexual orientation, but it doesn't have a commonly shared meaning either. The dictionary definition of pedophilia is to be attracted to pre-pubescent children. Attraction to pubescent children is called hebephilia and attracted to post-pubescent teens is called ephebophilia. Yet someone attracted to a 15 year old may be considered a pedophile even though that's not the official definition. Many people use the term pedophile to refer to people who have committed sexual abuse towards children and not necessarily those merely sexually attracted to children.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

So the term lesbian cannot exclude males and exclusively refer to females attracted to females?

If an adult human female with a buzzcut, very small breasts, clothes from the mens section, a deep voice, and a few whiskers due to pcos, a fellow adult human female attracted to her would not be a lesbian because her features are not typically feminine?

If it means something else as well it is indeed meaningless. If I said penicillin refers to antibiotics and also pencils, the word does not have an effective meaning.

I didn’t say pedophilia is a sexual orientation. I called it a dangerous paraphilia. If there is not a distinct meaning, how can it be prosecuted?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Some words do have more than one meaning. The word "nail" refers both to fingernails and nails you use screws on. Although the word refers to two different things, it still has an effective meaning.

We have terms for people who aren't attracted to trans people, like super lesbian, super gay, super straight, etc.

If a woman (cis or trans) who identifies as a lesbian and is attracted to female features of a masculine presenting woman such as a vagina, then she can call herself lesbian. If she considered herself straight and was attracted to the other woman's beard or masculine features, that's fine too.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Nails and screws are actually entirely different things. It’s why they have different names.

Fingernails or carpenters nails can at least be discerned from context. If someone says the words “I am a lesbian” according to the definitions you give, this could mean so many different things about who she is attracted to that it means literally nothing.

I’m fascinated by this argument, you say that the beard is masculine and the vagina is female but have denied these very same things as unimportant or even unrelated when asked what is a woman.

It feels as though you do not have a cohesive belief system, and are simply saying the contrary to anything you decide GC as a hivemind holds true. Do you see any validity to this criticism?

Please stop ignoring half my points to repeat your opinion that anyone can say anything as long as they feel nice inside about it. It’s nearly impossible to have a conversation with you when you evade so much of what is said.