How much do we owe to strangers?

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[–]Juniperius 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (30 children)

But you think that you, not being part of a marginalized group, do have the right to be hostile towards it?

Your beliefs and rhetoric (and now actions, you are telling us) are hostile to homosexual people. I, a Lesbian, who has likely been out of the closet longer than you have been alive, am telling you so.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (29 children)

Saying trans women are women or trans men are men is not being hostile to homosexual people. Saying trans men can be in gay bars or transbians can be in lesbian bars is not hostile.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (28 children)

It sort of is hostile tho gb. You’re making rules for a group you aren’t part of and those rules you want enforced include homophobic rhetoric.

How many times do you think the lesbian community at large has heard that they have a bad or wrong sexuality because it excludes adult human males?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (27 children)

I'm not making rules for a group. I'm saying trans people attracted to the gender they identify with are part of the group.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (26 children)

You are redefining homosexuality as a gender preference and invalidating the sexuality of everyone who does not experience homogender attraction. You are denying and demonising the sexuality of women who are not attracted to adult human males.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (25 children)

I'm not redefining homosexuality. The definition of homosexuality is attraction to the same sex or gender. For instance, I am attracted to both cis men and passing trans men. I am not attracted to cis and passing trans women. I am straight. Yes, straight because I feel that weird breast describes my sexual orientation. I remember another user on this sub described themselves as a lesbian because they are attracted to cis women, trans men and enbies AFAB. That's OK too. People can use whatever words they feel best describes their sexual orientation.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (24 children)

How does homosexuality include gender? It is sex based attraction.

Words have meaning that does not and will never be able to account for idiosyncratic definitions whilst also being meaningful language.

Heterosexual cannot mean a million things to a million people and effectively communicate a cohesive idea. That’s the purpose of language.

Interesting that everyone is allowed to define their own sexuality but lesbians who define it as adult human females attracted to adult human females are somehow wrong. Care to explain that discrepancy?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (23 children)

Wikipedia defines homosexuality as "romantic attraction, sexual attraction, or sexual behavior between members of the same sex or gender."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality

[–]Juniperius 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (11 children)

Oh jeez, don't go to wikipedia for definitions, what are you thinking? Here's Merriam Webster:

1 now sometimes offensive, see usage paragraph below : sexual or romantic attraction to others of one's same sex : the quality or state of being gay

2 now sometimes offensive, see usage paragraph below : sexual activity with another of the same sex

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (10 children)

Transsexual people change their sex characteristics so cis men who date trans men can be considered gay men if the trans man presents and passes as a man. Super gay describes gay men who aren't attracted to trans men. QT believes it's wrong to tell a gay person "no, you're really bisexual" if they identify as gay or straight. Being attracted to trans people who identify and present as the sex you're attracted to doesn't necessarily make you bisexual.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

So? Wikipedia is edited frequently and is pro tra because they can’t afford to lose the donations TRA would try to get people to stop making if they didn’t obey.

Ignoring the rest as usual?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (9 children)

People can donate wherever they want. Vancouver city council defunded Vancouver Rape Relief and then GoFundMe cancelled the fundraiser. Yet people frequently donate directly on their website to this day. No one can stop people from donating, even TRAs. If enough people would stop donating that Wikipedia wouldn't function, that would mean most people are TRAs.