QT: How do you reconcile the idea that "gender affirming medical treatment is easier for cis people than for trans people to access", with the idea that there is a medical "gatekeeping" problem wherein people are asked to prove their transness to access treatment?

Houseplant · 2023-07-23T09:16:17+00:00

What is gender affirming treatment for “cis” people?

Houseplant · 2023-06-07T22:40:42+00:00

Of course I believe in memory and olfactory senses. Subjective associations and systems don’t have any effect on objective reality like one’s body. Personal systems of associations can still be wrong and based on sexism.

Houseplant · 2023-04-18T06:45:10+00:00

Nobody is doing that except for all the people who are but they are hand waved away as untrue Scotsmen. Just like all the sexcrimes that never happen, and the changes to language we chestfeeder-uterushaver-bleeders made up don’t exist.

There was no honesty behind the tra argument “nobody is saying xyz!!!” It was born as a dismissive lie to make naysayers shut up and will die as one.

Houseplant · 2023-03-12T23:35:05+00:00

Couldn’t agree more

Houseplant · 2023-03-09T19:37:17+00:00

Absolutely, it’s about feeling nice from virtue signalling online and from forced compliance, not actually doing anything for any sort of equality.

Houseplant · 2023-03-08T08:04:46+00:00

Don’t think critically, just make everything super nice and comfy, not hurting feelings is priority one. Emotional stunting makes it easy for everyone to focus on their identity politics and stop asking for community-based problem solving.

Houseplant · 2023-02-13T05:48:40+00:00

No. A robot is not going to magically print men a magic true and honest vagina. Neither would a magic wand, or sufficiently advanced surgery.

Houseplant · 2023-01-02T07:43:16+00:00

Sure not everyone is instantly identifiable as their sex but the way GB claims that because she thinks buck looks like a true and honest man we do and basically lie about it is total bullshit.

Houseplant · 2023-01-02T07:41:55+00:00

Literal word salad.

Houseplant · 2022-12-27T23:34:01+00:00

What does circumcision have to do with gender critical or gender theorists?

Are you comparing circumcision to a doctor performing aesthetic “corrections” on babies with disorders of sexual development?

Houseplant · 2022-12-27T23:31:21+00:00

Well, gender critical feminism is absolutely not against gender nonconforming boys and men. Gender nonconformity is natural, normal, human experience.

Assigning a sex to items like earrings or hammers or colours is nonsensical. It can’t be described to you in a sensible way. There’s no sense or logic behind it, just sex stereotypes all the way down.

A man who wears a dress is doing nothing to women, we don’t care at all. There’s nothing about it that says anything other than this man wears his clothes. When a man puts on the dress and declares he is a woman because he is doing something his culture has associated as “woman’s thing” he is defining women as anyone who participates in his warped idea of what womanhood is.

There is no offence or disgust when a man simply does his thing. Nobody here is bothered if a dude enjoys crochet or frocks.

Houseplant · 2022-12-27T23:13:45+00:00

Do you think that random screenshots from people who may or may not have gender critical views is really the best way to understand what gender criticism actually is?

A man who wears a dress is fine. A man who wears a dress and claims that doing so is womanhood is extremely sexist. I’d be doing a disservice if I treated people like Alok Venon or J Yaniv as authorities on gender identity, and I feel you are doing a disservice by ignoring gender critical content for anecdotes from people who might just be being a bully.

Houseplant · 2022-12-27T23:08:29+00:00

No doubt, seems like you’re just phrasing the question as it was phrased to you.

Houseplant · 2022-12-27T23:05:49+00:00

Why do you say we are at all against male gender nonconformity?

Houseplant · 2022-12-27T23:04:36+00:00

In saying that it’s creepy and wrong for a boy to receive or wear earrings, they are reinforcing the idea that jewelry is for girls because girls should be adorned and decorated and pretty.

They are very clearly adhering to shitty old gender stereotypes that make no sense whatsoever.

What seems more sensible to you?

“Boys can’t wear earrings because of their Y chromosome, you are creepy and disrespecting your sisters by wanting to be the same as them, and ear ornaments are strictly for females”

Or

“Jewelry is an object without inherent meaning or any sort of biological sex. Anyone can wear it because it is merely adornment and humans like adorning themselves. Here are some earrings son”

Houseplant · 2022-12-27T22:44:49+00:00

It’s creepy and wrong to tell a little boy earrings are off limits just because he’s a boy.

Earrings aren’t going to hurt him or anyone else. Grow up.

Houseplant · 2022-12-17T02:29:30+00:00

And are your perceptions the only acceptable ones? Or Are your perceptions universal and some of us simply lie and pretend we perceive differently to you?

What makes your perception of buck more valid than another persons?

Houseplant · 2022-12-17T02:27:02+00:00

That makes sense

Houseplant · 2022-12-15T03:58:56+00:00

Ah, thought it was weird someone not listed as a mod here was deleting things.

Houseplant · 2022-12-14T01:32:23+00:00

Yep, but only glancing every few days. Not much point to the sub when we only have trolls and one dedicated qt contrarian who refuses to give an argument beyond “no it isn’t :)”

Also, does anyone know who soundsituation is?

Houseplant · 2022-12-05T05:42:41+00:00

No idea. There’s a few transgender people and I’m not about to harass them to ask, or speak for them.

They can easily advocate for their right to safety and their need for third spaces in public toilets and sports teams without ever joining in on attempting to have women’s spaces and groups taken away. Advocating for themselves rather than against women would make them a different kind of TRA who I’d support heartily.

Houseplant · 2022-11-29T02:35:52+00:00

GB, did you have any intention of discussing our answers?

Houseplant · 2022-11-23T03:57:04+00:00

Why is any of that such a nightmare to them? It’s as if they realised that not every little boy is like that, then decided any who are are monsters.

Houseplant · 2022-11-22T23:40:12+00:00

Fellow women don’t you think raping women who said no to my cock would be a very fun and sexy time? They disagree with me so it’s good to rape them haha. I’ll rape you if you don’t laugh teehee.

Houseplant · 2022-11-22T23:31:44+00:00

Another in the looooong line of transwomen who never ever do this sort of thing. Tra will continue to pretend they are all innocent poor wee babies and this is a vicious lie while more children are assaulted.

Houseplant · 2022-11-21T22:24:06+00:00

I believe that despite whatever suffering GD causes, one persons mental anguish will never give them the right to soothe that anguish by denying others rights to safety, privacy, and respect for the other sex. There is nothing out there that convinced me that males of any sort have the right to decide for women whether or not they will share their space. I cannot imagine a scenario that makes that morally acceptable.

Nothing can shake that belief. Suffering is never an excuse or license to make another suffer.

Houseplant · 2022-11-16T07:53:35+00:00

T needs to be cut out of lgb like a cancer. There’s no room for an inherently homophobic stance at the gay club.

Houseplant · 2022-11-16T00:49:03+00:00

Must be really nice tbh, the worst, most oppressive, devastating thing you experience is discomfort in a bathing suit. What a luxurious, peaceful life where the only thing you deny yourself is a bikini because of finding your body not perfect enough for it.

Some people are going to war and others are starving to death but it’s these poor souls we should be thinking about. They don’t feel perfect in the swimming pool and that’s a tragedy for the ages.

Houseplant · 2022-11-15T00:10:01+00:00

Why do you believe you know peoples thoughts so much better than they do, that you can tell what they perceive as true or not?

Houseplant · 2022-11-13T02:06:19+00:00

You are not capable of deciding or knowing what my perceptions are.

That’s not a power you or anyone else on the planet has. Trying to claim that you do have this ability is kind of disturbing to me.

It’s absolutely unhealthy for any person not experiencing active psychosis to disregard one’s own perceptions of the world.

It is not healthy for anyone ever to disregard their own perceptions and have someone else decide what reality is for them.

Please explain precisely how it is healthy for another person to inform you of what is real and what isn’t. As much detail as possible, preferably.

Houseplant · 2022-11-10T21:24:16+00:00

I guess the hard part is the expectation that I will learn to mistrust and ignore my perceptions and adopt the thoughts and language of whoever is in front of me.

Feels extremely unhealthy.

Houseplant · 2022-11-06T01:48:29+00:00

What exactly is a non-harmful gender norm or role?

How can there be any sort of system that says x object/trait/aesthetic is for woman and y object/trait/aesthetic is for men that isn’t reductive and harmful?

Houseplant · 2022-11-06T01:45:43+00:00

Way to miss my entire point and divert to political party naming nuances, and nitpicking over not quoting you verbatim and using the word bad instead.

Can you respond to my point instead of this dithering over my language, please.

She can’t be any more efficient when she’s being actively deplatformed and you know that.

How is taking advantage of the last float you can reach legitimising or lending anything at all to the float?

Again, why does this woman lose her individuality and become a “right-wing” person by speaking on their platform when we can all agree that the people who support “liberal” platforms are not all complicit in the actions of individuals like Alok Venon or Christine Chandler or John Money?

Houseplant · 2022-11-02T22:41:47+00:00

Rape is politically motivated now? Righto

Houseplant · 2022-11-02T22:39:45+00:00

I wish the narcissistic pedophiles acted like the old joke, asking for their own baby pictures instead of screeching that it’s murder to not let them give children puberty blockers and porn.

Houseplant · 2022-11-02T08:38:22+00:00

Is anyone even mildly surprised by now? The loudest TRA are outing themselves as pedophiles at an astonishing rate.

Its almost like a joke how many of the loudest ones are inevitably invested in abusing any child they can get their hands on.

Houseplant · 2022-11-01T02:39:59+00:00

It doesn’t say anything about childrens clothing. Half the problem with y’all would disappear if you didn’t assign clothing a sex in the first place.

Imagine if children just picked childrens clothes they liked because the adults finally recognised that a preference for pink or blue means absolutely nothing about who or what the child is.

Seems infinitely better than kids torturing themselves because they don’t fit the absolutely stupid narrative about boy things and girl things.

Houseplant · 2022-10-30T21:53:35+00:00

👍🏻👍🏻

Houseplant · 2022-10-30T10:23:18+00:00

Righto, never saw what you said to anyone else tho.

Houseplant · 2022-10-29T23:07:55+00:00

Tell me, does the wind ever scream nonsense back to you?

Houseplant · 2022-10-29T09:32:23+00:00

I am aware of the phrase, thanks for yet another unnecessary lecture though. My response was to your tone, which reeks of misplaced exasperation and the assumption that I am an idiot.

The glaring flaw is the strawmen I mentioned. Until you can respond to the points I made without devolving into a tirade of insults I’m going to ignore you again and assume you are here to scream into the wind as per usual.

Houseplant · 2022-10-28T10:55:33+00:00

Pointing out the glaring flaw in your attack is not idiocy. Do you have anything to contribute other than ranting and raving?

Houseplant · 2022-10-28T09:36:15+00:00

Holy strawmen Batman!

Houseplant · 2022-10-04T06:31:26+00:00

BPD is not diagnosed until adulthood and why do these kids think they want it? Borderline people are nothing but annoying navel gazers.

Houseplant · 2022-10-04T06:28:32+00:00

We’re supposed to be outraged that this mother isn’t allowing her child to secretly drug themselves with experimental medications, aren’t we?

Good parenting is allowing your child unfettered access to medications for diseases they don’t have, on demand.

Houseplant · 2022-10-04T06:22:42+00:00

Alliteration is catchy. The name is not significant. It’s not chad or whatever because that brings to mind a particular type of man, not any man.

It’s a quick summary of a larger idea, wherein women are asked why they come to the defense of their husbands/sons/fathers/brothers when they do something misogynistic.

Houseplant · 2022-09-29T04:56:01+00:00

Consoom the preselected personality manufactured via dying your hair and call it personal development. There is no self unless it’s purchased from brand.

Houseplant · 2022-09-29T02:14:01+00:00

Anorexics would he super happy if you gave them liposuction too, doesn’t mean it’s gonna improve their lives in any way.
Of course catering to a deluded persons delusion will make them happy for a minute.

Houseplant · 2022-09-29T01:57:51+00:00

Everyone is telling each other lies about transition and this is bad for us!

Comments immediately fill up with more lies about men shrinking height and shoe sizes by inches via estrogen magic.
Quelle surprise

Houseplant · 2022-09-27T06:32:10+00:00

I gotta know what you think these differences are that only manifest after pregnancy, cause your understanding of human sex sounds fuckin hilarious.

Please go into maximum detail.

Houseplant · 2022-09-27T05:21:41+00:00

Impossible, a new gender is made up every time you genocide an old one. It’s like a hydra but much much stupider.

Houseplant · 2022-09-27T05:17:25+00:00

Oh god the bodies are piling up

Houseplant · 2022-09-27T05:14:17+00:00

“I’m a male sexually attracted to males but I also fucking hate gay men, they are all hyper sexual drunks who call each other girlfraaand and I find them incredibly unsexy and I have a vagina.

Please reaffirm my deluded feelings instead of encouraging me to grow up and accept that I’m not actually what I fetishised”

Honestly idk how gay men aren’t losing their shit at these girls.

Houseplant · 2022-09-27T05:06:40+00:00

You evil cow you just actively ended lives by claiming men and women are not emotions.

Houseplant · 2022-09-27T04:56:22+00:00

What? You went through puberty before pregnancy or something?Weird.

The rest of us only started menstruating and getting tits after the first baby. By the tenth baby you’ve developed into an entire woman and the penis falls off permanently.

Houseplant · 2022-09-27T03:30:35+00:00

Nails and screws are actually entirely different things. It’s why they have different names.

Fingernails or carpenters nails can at least be discerned from context. If someone says the words “I am a lesbian” according to the definitions you give, this could mean so many different things about who she is attracted to that it means literally nothing.

I’m fascinated by this argument, you say that the beard is masculine and the vagina is female but have denied these very same things as unimportant or even unrelated when asked what is a woman.

It feels as though you do not have a cohesive belief system, and are simply saying the contrary to anything you decide GC as a hivemind holds true. Do you see any validity to this criticism?

Please stop ignoring half my points to repeat your opinion that anyone can say anything as long as they feel nice inside about it. It’s nearly impossible to have a conversation with you when you evade so much of what is said.

Houseplant · 2022-09-27T01:11:56+00:00

So the term lesbian cannot exclude males and exclusively refer to females attracted to females?

If an adult human female with a buzzcut, very small breasts, clothes from the mens section, a deep voice, and a few whiskers due to pcos, a fellow adult human female attracted to her would not be a lesbian because her features are not typically feminine?

If it means something else as well it is indeed meaningless. If I said penicillin refers to antibiotics and also pencils, the word does not have an effective meaning.

I didn’t say pedophilia is a sexual orientation. I called it a dangerous paraphilia. If there is not a distinct meaning, how can it be prosecuted?

Houseplant · 2022-09-26T23:29:03+00:00

This means yes, straight, gay, and bi all lack a commonly shared meaning, and can mean different things to different people. This makes the terms useless.

Please answer the question about pedophilia and whether it has one definition or not. This endless evasion is suggesting that you are less interested in discussion and more interested in proselytism.

Houseplant · 2022-09-26T04:57:19+00:00

Ah yes, being gay was always about the deviancy and edginess, because homosexuality is a choice you make to rebel. Have these kids considered writing for youth pastors? They’ve pretty much already got young Christian pamphlets in their tweets.

Houseplant · 2022-09-26T04:19:49+00:00

So this means gay, straight, bisexual, each have no distinct meaning whatsoever and no term exists to describe any healthy human sexual attraction whether it’s same sex, opposite sex, or both. No possible sexuality can be described by just one term by everyone, right? Cause someone might not like it if they don’t get to call themselves gay or whatever?

Let me ask you this, does this lack of definitions extend to dangerous paraphilias like pedophila? Why or why not?

I’m sure you’ll choose to not answer this like anything else I ask you because you may have to question your preferred assumptions but indulge me, please.

Houseplant · 2022-09-18T23:44:56+00:00

This is a roundabout way of asking “if a man has breast implants, long hair, and lip fillers, does he become a woman?”

It also scrapes up against “if lesbians are attracted to butch women they are actually attracted to men”

Same sex attraction is exactly what it says on the tin.

If I took an ape and waxed it, and very convincingly dressed it up as a blonde woman with huge breasts, would the ape be a woman?

Why would disguising anyone or an animal as a woman make them so?

Houseplant · 2022-09-14T09:40:35+00:00

Does he want a man to do it? That’s gay. If there’s no desire for sexual interaction with the same sex, it can’t be gay.

That article really got you thinking, huh bud?

Houseplant · 2022-09-14T08:21:19+00:00

Listen my dude, it sucks right now but when you’re 20, you’ll be grateful for the ability to orgasm even if you’re being bullied now. The boys using girls as bully-shields who proceed to being surgically altered or beginning hormones early lose that.

Being mistreated doesn’t mean that you can invade the safe space of someone else. Those girls are not shields, and you cannot use them or their space just because it’s easier for you.

Besides, just ask tra, those boys in the girls rooms are apparently risking genocide by simply waking up, so using the girls space can’t logically be protecting them from any bullying.

Comparison is the biggest thief of joy. Stop focusing on how others find cop-outs or loopholes and let’s find solutions to the real issue here.

To say much of anything else seems abhorrent. Are we supposed to tell this boy that his jealousy should be fostered? That he should transition just to escape sexist bullying from other children? That’s sick. Adults owe children better than simple enabling.

Houseplant · 2022-09-12T06:27:17+00:00

Infinitely superior.

Accepting one’s body as their self is vital to mental well-being.

Reinforcing the idea that the body is a thing someone owns, and that it is constantly displaying some signal or other regarding the person who posesses it is destructive, useless, exploitative, and cruel.

Millions of dollars wring out of vulnerable and emotionally struggling people who have been promised that all their problems will be solved by this perfect transformation.
Nobody gets the transformation they were sold and the results of experimental surgeries can only be romanticised for so long.

Houseplant · 2022-08-10T03:46:11+00:00

You repeatedly assume all women will agree with you based on what you have cherry picked as evidence.

The tired old poll you trot out still only represents a small fraction of Americans. Extrapolating that women worldwide will agree with those women, and therefore you, is not convincing. It never has been.

Then you assume based on nothing whatsoever that even if the poll were asking a different question, (would you accept TW in even though they like and use their penises) and claim women will still agree.

Why do you make this assumption just because a tiny microcosm of American women are ok with giving away female spaces.

Interesting to see you still cherry pick what you respond to and simply abandon and ignore any and all arguments you make that are proven wrong, preferring to instead only pursue comment chains where you can make repeated unsubstantiated claims.

Houseplant · 2022-08-08T01:03:30+00:00

Listening to transgender people. Every single one told the same story that boiled down to “I don’t like the stereotypes I was handed so my body is obviously wrong”

Also multiple people from qt leaning places insisting that I must have some sort of gender problems purely because I’m autistic/adhd and choose to not perform femininity as my culture defines it. Grown women so determined to not think critically that they’d incorrectly try to inform me about my own existence, and justify it by dismissing my insight as an autistic person.

Houseplant · 2022-08-08T00:37:01+00:00

And why do you think that? What makes you confident that you can speak for women and claim we would all agree with you?

Houseplant · 2022-08-07T23:17:30+00:00

The world does not operate in whatever convenient and contradictory ways you insist it does in order to virtue signal.

Your wants are meaningless nothings when compared to material reality. These arguments aren’t just intellectually dishonest, they’re wholesale stupid.

If page is male, why’d she get her breasts chopped out? Why does she take testosterone? Why does she identify as trans?

You are literally denying the reality of the transgender people you use to make yourself look holier than thou.

Today you can claim a man is the opposite of a woman but you have previously argued that those differences are something we made up, or that those differences are so miniscule compared to the importance of how one feels about them, that they may as well not exist. Now, when it is an opportunity to cry ‘misgendering’ sexed differences are so vast that male and female are opposites.
Do you see any flaw in your habit of arguing this way? Do you think it’s honest? Do you see why I cannot respect what you say and view it as nothing more than self-interested performance aimed at people desperate for acceptance and protection from reality?

You change what you claim more often than some people change their knickers. Why should anyone here take you seriously or accept any argument you make when you cannot stick to a single argument? You argue anything as long as it provides an opportunity to frame yourself as a nicer, more accepting person than us, but you literally deny the existence of actual transgender experiences if it’s easier to signal your alleged virtue.

It’s not a moral victory to use the people you claim you adore as a tool to flex how moral and nice you feel you are.

Houseplant · 2022-08-07T12:38:34+00:00

Stop conflating sex and gender to virtue signal. It’s intellectually dishonest and indicates you are arguing in the poorest faith.

You, Elliot, and I are all the same sex. Sex is not, never has been, and never will be determined by how someone feels. If Elliot wasn’t female, she’d never have a reason to transition.

Houseplant · 2022-07-27T23:13:42+00:00

Perfectly normal little girls being preyed upon by genderists for not enjoying pink/dollies/pretty as much as genderists believe they should.

It’s disgusting that anyone can look at a perfectly typical healthy child and decide she is some abomination who requires extreme medicalisation because she does not match their extremely narrow opinion of what girls should do.

Houseplant · 2022-07-27T09:33:55+00:00

Fringe sexism?

Houseplant · 2022-07-27T07:22:20+00:00

Nah, more it’s worth investigating how much fringe ideas and brusqueness for the sake of brusqueness you find tolerable. Also nothing she says could be considered qt or gc so it may be less topical than some may find useful.

Houseplant · 2022-07-27T03:29:47+00:00

I suggest checking her comment history before engaging.

Houseplant · 2022-07-22T09:43:58+00:00

No Conservative party here my America-centric friend, but yes. I’ve spoken at length about how gender norms and gender id are terrible concepts.

Houseplant · 2022-07-18T05:33:22+00:00

Used to speak with a few trans people regularly as a teen, however we were all involved in eating disorder themed tumblr. Outside of online spaces there are so few trans people that I’m yet to meet anyone.

Houseplant · 2022-07-07T09:48:33+00:00

100% It’s pure libfem nonsense intended to refram feminism as silly, petty, and focussed far away from real sex based oppressions.

Houseplant · 2022-07-06T04:42:55+00:00

You raise an excellent point about the lack of accountability of the surgeons performing gender surgeries. Seen a lot of people discussing their surgeon being unavailable to help with complications and other doctors/surgeons being unable to help due to the surgeries not being standardised.

Houseplant · 2022-07-05T09:28:43+00:00

I don’t know what the fuck you think because you’ve given nothing but sexist examples of what a woman is, claimed you’re not sexist because society believes it, and apparently haven’t understood a single damn thing said to you.

Now because you can’t comprehend that any definition or understanding of woman that reduces a woman to a feeling, fashion statement, or stereotype is sexism I’m the sexist? because I already knew that society had shitty ideas about women already?

You use a sexist definition of what a woman is, by saying women are ideas. If a woman is a feeling or a fashion statement or stereotype a woman cannot be a human being. Just as a cow cannot also be a bicycle.

This strips the human away from the word used to describe them.

No, I don’t think you’re saying women should obey stereotypes of femininity. I’m saying you have repeatedly defined woman as a display of those exact stereotypes.

Nobody thinks you personally decided that woman means offensive stereotypes. We are saying that using those offensive stereotypes yourself is sexist.

If you still can’t get it idk, ask literally anyone else.

Houseplant · 2022-07-05T08:05:20+00:00

I have explained. Your failure to understand is not any sort of an out.

Houseplant · 2022-07-05T07:32:04+00:00

We all recognise it, and have spent days telling you that saying that using that exact system of sexist norms to define women, by saying “anyone who says they’re a woman is a woman” is a sexist thing to do.

What you seem to be missing somehow is that society doing it doesn’t mean it’s good or that we should do it more.

Yet you’ve done exactly that repeatedly by the definitions of woman you’ve provided.
We have spent days saying it is sexism to redefine woman, a biologically distinct group, as an identity anyone can have.

We have spent days practically drawing diagrams of how it is sexist to say “a woman is anyone who identifies as a woman” and how this very statement infers that woman is not an adult human female but is instead a feeling, because words do not simply grow in meaning the way you have pointlessly insisted they do.

You’ve won’t adopt a different point of view for a moment because of what some people online feel but you’ve spent days arguing with us that an adult human male can be a woman because of his feeling bad about the word man.

Like..come on dude.

Houseplant · 2022-07-05T06:03:18+00:00

That’s great but it doesn’t change my perceptions, doesn’t mean a thing to womens rights or to language, doesn’t mean that the treatment that worked for you should be applied universally to children, doesn’t make QT any less sexist, and doesn’t entitle them to a free pass for their own sexism when they discuss their treatment.

Glad they’re no longer so unhappy and sincerely hope they have the safest possible procedures should they choose to go through with them.

I don’t think it’s a solution, any more than I think MDMA is a solution to depression, but your body your rules.

I don’t feel animosity towards any individual because they are trans. I take issue with the ideology, but I’d still treat a transgender person the same as anyone else. I’ll hire an employee whether they’re trans or not, especially since the job would have zero bathroom issues. (We work in empty residences, use the loo that’s here we’re cleaning it anyway)

There’s a lot of transwomen in online sewing communities now and frankly, in my experience, more are excellent contributors than not. Necessity has made some of them expert pattern-hackers and I’m glad they’re sharing the tips. It’s not a female only community so come on in, tell me how you adjust a sleeve.

I don’t think anyone here wants transgender people to be shunned or to not engage with society at large.

Houseplant · 2022-07-05T05:57:00+00:00

It is not ok for anyone to denigrate and dehumanize women. If I thought for a second that this was something I was guilty of I would do anything to change that

Anything except listen to the women saying that you are doing just that.

Houseplant · 2022-07-05T05:50:53+00:00

And the description of woman as a feeling and a display of personal style is sexism. I give up. This is hopeless. I doubt you’d ever see sexism in your life even if it screamed “females are subhuman” right in your face then slapped a little girl, if you so adamantly refuse to acknowledge the sexism you’ve repeatedly typed out here.

Houseplant · 2022-07-04T10:52:52+00:00

If you can’t see how it’s sexist to believe that woman is a feeling a man can have or a display a man can make, you aren’t going to see the sexism however it’s illustrated.

You have in essence said woman does not refer to a person, but a presentation a person may have, a feeling a person may have, or a set of social expectations. You have divorced woman from any meaning it had in order to fit the square peg into the round hole of catering to male feelings.

If this is just a system some incorrect people use, why do you keep speaking as though it’s correct and sensible? What other nouns do you think are totally context dependent and may mean opposing things, like a man with skirts and alleged feelings or an adult human female supposedly both share the name woman.

You have no power to change he la gauge but have spent days arguing that woman means what you say it does and not the majority of English speakers understand it to mean. Clearly you do feel you have some power to define the word over us, or you wouldn’t make claims that infer we aren’t women (eg womanhood is an identity and not a sex based experience means gc who do not entertain notions about gender are not women because they don’t have woman gender identity.)

Houseplant · 2022-07-04T10:32:06+00:00

Denying that gender is made up of personal grooming/styling as modern americanised culture assigns to the respective sexes after claiming gender is in fact partly personal presentation was never any sort of meaning, definition, or explanation.

Please tell me, what is a woman if not an adult human female, and what is the term to refer to adult human females?

If woman is a gender, it is not adult human females. So either there is no word for adult human females, or the word woman means effectively nothing because it can be used to refer to multiple contradictory things.

Is woman a feeling? It’s sexist to say that the word that has exclusively referred to adult human females actually refers to a feeling men have.

The fact that you say you cannot see anything sexist about that is disturbing to me. Like, you keep banging on about semantics but you see nothing wrong with adult human females having no langauge to refer to themselves? No word to name the basis upon which we are oppressed?

It seems as though you want to repeat your semantic word salad at us without entertaining what any of our objections are actually about.

Houseplant · 2022-07-04T09:24:02+00:00

What is a woman if not an adult human female, rubber? You previously stated it was a gender and that gender is at least half personal styling. This would be a sexist claim to make so I’m assuming you mean something else now.

Unless you care to retract saying that woman is a gender?

That’s the sexist message deeply rooted in the core of what youve been arguing.

The statement that a woman is a set of feelings and preferences anyone can have, but certainly not a biologically distinct group of people who’s sex has been the source of their oppression. That’s allowed to be referred to according to you but we simply can’t name the distinct biological category because…it hurts the feelings of sexists..

The belief that woman is anything but an adult human female is a sexist belief. Supporting the sexist men and women who claim that gender roles and norms are defining of humans is sexist.

Reducing woman to a group who perform certain culturally approved actions is sexism.

I’m not mistaken in seeing the sexism you’ve put forward and word games don’t erase it.

Every definition of woman that includes cultural definitions of gender roles or includes males is a sexist one.

Houseplant · 2022-07-04T03:30:23+00:00

It’s the total denial that human females are not a biologically distinct group but a collection of sexist roles, grooming habits, and sexist expectations of behaviour or a ‘social class’ as you call it.

It’s inherently sexist to reduce women to these sexist tropes and it’s alarming that you cannot see this.

Houseplant · 2022-07-01T13:38:30+00:00

It would be great if you’d stop using semantics to mean nothing

Houseplant · 2022-07-01T13:28:37+00:00

Like talking at a brick wall. I give up with this pomo bs

Houseplant · 2022-07-01T12:22:28+00:00

It’s a really sad cycle and it seems so obvious when it’s practically said verbatim by transgender women. It’s kinda upsetting, like..there’s this clear path out of the self hatred and depression but an entire social movement is based largely on supporting shying away from it at any cost.

Houseplant · 2022-07-01T12:19:37+00:00

The statement is the definition…. How do you not get this?

I didn’t accuse you of picking either, unless you are trans rights activism personified.

If what I used as a definition of cat is a statement about the definition, what is the definition of a cat?

Houseplant · 2022-07-01T12:18:07+00:00

So gender is half made up of clothes, hairstyles, and internet pronouns?

How on earth am I asking something so ridiculous? What makes one descriptor so different from another?

How can you imply that nobody has ever identified themselves as tall with such certainty? What makes this an absurd concept?

Houseplant · 2022-07-01T09:55:39+00:00

Why is woman an identity but tall isn’t? What indicates a persons gender identity, given that feelings are invisible?

Houseplant · 2022-07-01T09:43:58+00:00

From you thinking a meaning and a definition are two things, one being a sentence about the other.

Nobody is picking parts of definitions to suit them except TRA.

How do you think definitions are written? With short statements offering commentary on each definition?

Or something closer to this.. Cat: An animal of the feline order.

What statement is being made about a definition there?

Houseplant · 2022-07-01T08:01:36+00:00

No, it’s not objectively true that males deserve death and do not deserve love. My toddler nephews don’t deserve murder just because you hate yourself.

My grandfather was not an awful abusive man just because you refuse to assess your own prejudices. Frankly it’s disgusting to say any group deserves to be killed, and it’s disgusting to claim that whilst simultaneously telling us that we claim every TW ever is a rapist. Why do your feelings entitle you to say terrible things about an entire demographic but we are bigoted for noticing that come parts of a demographic commit crime?

Have you ever tried thinking about the feelings of others and not your own?

Houseplant · 2022-07-01T06:27:20+00:00

I unironically think that that sort of realisation is a contributor to suicide amongst transgender people and it’s scary af that we aren’t allowed to talk about it except niche online boards like this.

Houseplant · 2022-07-01T01:14:56+00:00

Your discomfort with reality and your body are not part of any female experience.

No woman has ever based their womanhood on feeling like their maleness makes them subhuman.

No woman experiences distress over having a penis and testicles, no woman bases their womanhood on their ability to maintain relationships, or discomfort about their sex.

A woman does not typically define her womanhood on a belief that her sex is inherently lesser or on efforts to perform what she perceives a woman’s role to be in the world.

Womanhood is not simply being called mam by a till clerk.

The only essential thing to womanhood is being an adult human female. This is something that cannot be induced in a male. I’m sorry that that hurts you but again, I truly believe that you would understand this if you allowed yourself to question the narrative that “males don’t deserve love but I want to be loved”

Houseplant · 2022-07-01T01:07:49+00:00

Sentences are not all definitions..you’re being ridiculous

Houseplant · 2022-07-01T01:03:57+00:00

I implore you to seek help assessing and healthily breaking down these extremely unhealthy ideas about your sex making you supposedly undeserving of affection of love.

I’d suggest refraining from making statements like all of x group should be killed. From someone who claims to be at risk of genocide it’s an especially violent and extreme position to take.

Houseplant · 2022-06-30T22:17:26+00:00

Shame over a group one belongs to us not a transformative process. That shame and actions to remove oneself from the group are both maladaptive.

One ought to recognise that an individual is not guilty of the crimes other members of a group they belong to. Male violence is not solved by saying “I’m not a man because I don’t want to hit women”.

Look at it from another perspective. Should I feel badly about myself because some Romani are criminals, and prefer girls remain uneducated? Should I take steps to alter or change myself because others who share a similarity with me are doing these things?

Houseplant