Another theme - just how inexperienced these trans men are NSFW by Chocolatepudding in GenderCritical

[–]Houseplant 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Be better than them getting taught that liking pink means someone is a girl and liking blue means they’re a boy.

Women don’t pass as women all the time…what does this even mean? by Houseplant in GenderCritical

[–]Houseplant[S] 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Right? What a stupid concept, women aren’t mistaken for men if we don’t slap on lipstick, or are fat, or are hairy. No definition of woman that isn’t ripped right out of twentieth century American stereotypes isn’t just rejected, it’s practically criminalised.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

When did basic respect come to include “denying your material perceptions to match the preferred self image a person wants?”

When I was growing up, basic respect was not using foul language, making eye contact, using titles like sir and mam, and not discussing contentious issues like money or religion at dinner.

Nobody was ever obliged to play a role in maintaining someone’s identity for them.

Another theme - just how inexperienced these trans men are NSFW by Chocolatepudding in GenderCritical

[–]Houseplant 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’m grateful I decided against having kids. I cannot imagine trying to raise a functional human being when misinformation like this is the only info allowed.

Vaginal atrophy is no big deal?! Twenty-something women who’ve never experienced sex or intimacy are being lied to and told that altering their genitals before ever interacting with them is great. These women should be ashamed of themselves for willingly dragging down their peers.

“Disney only censors LGBT stuff to appease those EVIL conservative Christians!” by JDog2000 in TumblrInAction

[–]Houseplant 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They love introducing their first ever gay character every year or so to the market that pays the most for rainbows. They don’t sell as much homosexual baiting in china or the UAE, so chop it out.

Somehow these utter wastoids believe that Mickey actually loves them and isn’t just another corp shilling shit.

RIP Our Toucans by Hatman in TumblrInAction

[–]Houseplant 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Reddits self appointed thought crimes unit.

Everything Else! 6/15/22 by loveSloane in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oooh hope you enjoy it! There’s a lot of variations but I recommend going heavy on the strawberry and layering the sliced fruits and rhubarb like a ratatouille. Or if you’re willing to really mess around, combine the fillings, cook them down with simple syrup, purée and strain, and then add a setting agent like gelatin or agar and then bake it in the crust.
Yeah I gotta make one now, it’s been years!

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Teams share a common goal. It is not possible for transwomen to be on the same team as the very women they call genital fetishists and bigots and other assorted homophobia. It is not possible for transwomen demanding by access to womens amenities and services to be on the same team as women who require male-free spaces and services.

What common goals do you think a transwoman has with a woman?

Everything Else! 6/15/22 by loveSloane in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 6 insightful - 2 fun6 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Nice to see you around again! Glad you and yours are well!

Things are super busy here. Since February, I’ve gone from doing one domestic clean a week as a favour, to having a cleaning business with an employee, getting truckloads of contracts from a local real estate, plus recommendations from them to a second, larger real estate company. It’s amazing and very lucky but wow it came outta nowhere. Physical labour has led to some crazy changes in my body but it’s been good. Didn’t think I’d enjoy not being a scrawny noodle so much. Only downside is now I can’t see anything but what needs scrubbing when I get home, lol.

Barely touched my sewing machine the last few months but it will be worth it come fabric shopping time, haha.

Best pies..strawberry-rhubarb-apple in short crust with homemade custard. I’ll have one of those for a last meal, plus vegetable gyoza, minestrone soup with too much pasta and beans, green beans with garlic and sesame seeds, and an entire loaf of toasted milk bread with some very high quality butter. And like six cups of coffee, no sugar. And a dampfnudel with blackberry filling!

I haven’t had lunch yet and it shows lol.

My arthritis is finally managed, and don’t need any biologics or methotrexate yet! Probably will in the next five years but that’s nothing to worry about now.

The families are doing well, everyone is well and happy, we’re all excited for a new nephew come the end of July.
Can’t help but think we’re an incredibly lucky bunch.

Hope everyone else here is just as lucky and having a good time.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Cancer cures have been actively worked on for longer than you or I have been alive and yet cancer remains.

Investigation is not a promise, or an assertion of possibility. Snake oil salesmen can actively work on male pregnancy until the sun dies. It won’t make it feasible.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, I think physical harm is something that can be objectively measured by people who understand the human body. It’s certainly not up to anyone who thinks their hearts can be surgically shrunk to match their gender feels.

I am not the one who is saying my feelings should dictate how the world works.

It’s a public space so actually, males using that space does disrupt female autonomy. Male autonomy ends at the door to allow female autonomy in the public space. Have a look at the history of the womens public toilet. You’ll find they are crucial to working outside the home and engaging in the public sphere.

I’d like to assure you that it is extremely atypical, and could be perceived as pathologically lacking care for others to claim you support people dying for the perfection of cosmetic surgery.

This is something perhaps better discussed with someone qualified to break down and explain to you exactly why this is bizarre and harmful.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s not very subjective medically. This is yet another example of why it is nonsensical and useless to act as though feelings surmount the importance of physical reality, objectively defined.

You think people would be happy to die so some random with a complex can have a nose they think is better looking? That disturbs me, deeply. This is not how most people think, at all. Do you understand that it’s not exactly..usual to suggest that thousands of people would happily die because someone in the future might be happy.

You’re essentially saying people are happy to die for someone else to feel a little bit better. How can you possibly know this? Why do you think it?

Female specific amenities like toilets are public as well but you have repeatedly stated that males should be allowed to infringe on the rights of females by accessing them if they feel like it.

Why is it ok to do one in public and not the other? Clearly bodily autonomy doesn’t actually mean total freedom to do anything one wants with their body.

Can you explain what you actually think it means?

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Please direct me to where I have stated that all transwomen are sexual predators or hurting anyone please.

I believe that gender ideology harms everyone, women and girls in particular. Queer theory hurts women. It is entirely possible to discuss ideas without claiming every single person who feels with those ideas to any degree is doing anything.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh so you don’t support her? Guess you want her to kill herself.

I am not insinuating anything about you when I discuss large groups of people, such as half of the entire human population. You choose to respond as though everything in these discussions about you.

When you don’t concede we do not talk about our appearances and depression in order to garner a response that is not further critical of males in general.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, because we know what will happen if it fails, are informed what safety procedures are in place and how effective they are, exactly what to expect, exactly what signals something is wrong, and what steps have proven to best protect you in the event of failure.

An experimental surgery, none of that is known. That’s a dreadful comparison.

Use the dictionary definition of harm even though you might not feel that it’s correct.

So, fifty kids? A million? Acceptable deaths as long as one person wealthy enough for it gets the nose of their dreams?

If beris wouldn’t freak the fuck out, I’d question how much empathy is to be found in that statement.

So I have the bodily autonomy to place my body the oncology ward while I have the flu and violent diarrhoea? That’s allowed? That’s morally fine?

We all have the bodily autonomy to just get totally naked and loudly masturbate in the middle of the shopping center? That’s morally acceptable? Legally acceptable?

We can board any plane, lick the Mona Lisa until the paint is gone, shake a baby, any damn thing possible with our bodies? And that’s both legal and moral?

Really?

People who have realistic knowledge of what will and won’t kill you should probably decide your bodies limits.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

But why do you think it’s different? The teacher really does feel that and it’s not like she’s hurting anyone by believing her version of the alphabet is the one everyone else at the school uses.

Not letting her teach hurts her deeply. She’s always felt like she’s an English teacher, ever since she was a toddler! She used to carry books around and wear specs, she has spent literally years practicing giving lectures. Refusing to let her teach your child is like saying she’s not really an English teacher!

It has emotion baked in, FOR YOU. For me, it’s pretty tedious, but not emotional. Other people do not feel what you feel, and aren’t taking everything written here personally.

It’s not a tired old trope when it happens all the time. It’s not a tired old trope when it’s literally in your refutation that it’s being used.

Emotional manipulation is trying to sway or derail a discussion.

It is not people stating their opposing ideas and not being compelled by your emotions and opinions. We are not emotionally manipulating you by not changing our perceptions of reality to one more in line with your own.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So what makes the breasts tissue of a man with “woman gender identity” different to a man who doesn’t?

Why would excess estrogen cause lobular growth in men with gender identity and regular gyno in men without it?

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It is impossible to consent to the complications since they are unknown.

What makes it acceptable for people to potentially die, and to face unknown surgery, for a procedure that will never be medically necessary?

How many lives would be worth losing for the perfect rhinoplasty to be developed?

Ethics should be based on causing the maximum amount of good while preventing further harm and reducing harm where possible.

I don’t think any teenager should be undergoing experimental surgery unless they are sure to die from a disease, disorder, or injury, and the procedure has a reasonable chance to help, without foreseeably causing additional injury, disorder, or disease.

This would not include any attempt to reconfigure the child’s genitals.

Bodily autonomy has limits. It does not mean freedom to do anything one pleases without consequence or regard for others.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why do you disagree with their method?

Any according to your line of thinking, anyone could say they are a vet based on really feeling like they are one even if they haven’t been to vet school or even seen an animal.

Feelings are not factual, they are emotions. Emotions are an idiosyncratic experience. Unknowable to anyone else.
You aren’t just saying that though.
You are using this line of unreasoning to claim that woman is a feeling because you feel badly otherwise.

You have used this line of unreason to argue that anyone who has woman feelings should have legal right to spaces and resources that have been designated as being for females.

This isn’t just kinda sorta feeling like actually derrples emotions are pretty important, this is an argument for the elimination of female rights cloaked in riddling about emotions, and what I perceive as attempts at guilt, such as repeated negative references to your own appearance, and references to your own pain.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The experiments aren’t happening to you though. What does it matter how you feel about an experimental surgery happening to jazz Jennings? Ethics aren’t based on just derrples feelings.

Do you really want to say that it’s okay for surgeons to perform experiments on transgender patients based on you feeling like you would be ok with being the patient?

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In males, female appearing breasts may indicate the following;

Hypogonadism. Conditions that lower testosterone production, such as Klinefelter syndrome or pituitary insufficiency, can be associated with gynecomastia. Aging. Hormone changes that occur with aging can cause gynecomastia, especially in men who are overweight. Tumors. Some tumors, such as those involving the testes, adrenal glands or pituitary gland, can produce hormones that alter the male-female hormone balance. Hyperthyroidism. In this condition, the thyroid gland produces too much of the hormone thyroxine. Kidney failure. About half the people being treated with dialysis experience gynecomastia due to hormonal changes. Liver failure and cirrhosis. Changes in hormone levels related to liver problems and cirrhosis medications are associated with gynecomastia. Malnutrition and starvation. When your body is deprived of adequate nutrition, testosterone levels drop while estrogen levels remain the same, causing a hormonal imbalance. Gynecomastia can also happen when normal nutrition resumes.

In females breast development indicates healthy development and hormonal balance.

This article explains some differences,

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5010345/ Such as the distinct lack of lobules. There is no evidence that estrogen causes the formation of lobules. There are mountains of evidence that the growth of breast tissue in males with excess estrogen is gynecomastia.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I mean experimental surgery like the “patchwork” technique developed on Jazz Jennings, the abdominal pull-down phalloplasty, surgeries intended to reduce or enlarge the hips or long bones, radical craniofacial techniques in Korea, tilapia grafts for vaginoplasty, and many other experimental gender related surgeries.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

No, they don’t. Insisting everyone thinks like you is becoming a real problem with communicating. You have already been told that other people do not define the world around them by how it makes them feel.

All these people are bad because they impose their definitions on others but you are doing just that by trying to tell me that I and everyone else think a certain way, and do things the way you do, for the same reasons you do.

If you have any animals I beg you to relinquish them to someone who would not allow someone to overdose them. If you give too much or too little of wormer or flea treatment you can harm or kill an animal. Those doses are species and size dependent.

Why would you send the child to a different teacher? What is wrong with them learning the alphabet from the original teacher?

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You having either breast implants or induced gynemastica does not mean that humanity has succeeded in altering human sexual dimorphism.

If they wanted their results private they surely would not have uploaded them to public imgur albums and Reddit and their personal blogs, often with statements about how excited they are to share. Have you ever looked at the transgender surgery subreddits?

I am concerned that all you take away from someone selling you a lie like male pregnancy is that it’s frustrating that they are the only person who can charge you exorbitant fees for minor results.

Transgender people are not prevented from becoming cosmetic surgeons, so the numbers of transgender surgeons available is an internal fight for y’all to have.

A disorder is not defined by how you feel about it, so I am not going to pretend that excess female hormones in any male body is healthy function. I’m glad you don’t feel unwell but it is only health to someone with a very distorted perception of the concept.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Which makes it incompatible with the entirety of the world.

Try and think about if everyone else chose to base their definitions on their feelings. Not yours, I don’t want you to tell me how you feel about this.

What would happen if doctors chose to practice medicine according to how they feel? The doctor tells the patient that he doesn’t think they are in pain, or have an enlarged liver so no imaging or tests for patient. Biologically, the patient has a cancerous mass growing inside their liver.

Is this a doctor you want to see?

Imagine you are responsible for a child. Their teacher has taught the child that ckeorbxhsjxgnnsiv is the correct alphabet, because this is what the teacher feels is correct.

Are you happy to send your child into their class to learn the basics of English?

A kitten has a fractured leg. The veterinarian believes the kitten is a horse. Should he give the kitten a horse-sized dose of sedation? Is the kitten biologically capable of accepting the sedatives based on the perceptions or opinions of the vet?

What if someone feels that consent is something they feel and not an agreement from the other person? What if someone feels that homicide is defined as killing anyone they like?

Do you see how this is a senseless and potentially extremely harmful way to think?

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Sex characteristics are not resexed, complications from surgery are common, results are frequently insensate or painful, and I am yet to see a single example of reconfigured genitals that are not very obviously unnatural.

Hormones change a few of over 2000 physical differences between males and females. A bit of hair and a minor redistribution of fat dependent on a permanent regime of exogenous hormones is not a biological change, so much as a cosmetic deliberate causing of inducing hormone disorders.

A snake oil salesmen has convinced you of organ transplants that will facilitate male pregnancy and birth because they can profit from promising this is right around the corner and in the meantime they’d be happy to offer FFS for the life savings of the average applicant.

This does not mean it will actually be achieved.

Altering phenotypes improving all the time is an opinion. Experimental surgery to treat mental anguish gaining acceptance, popularity, and guineapigs being good is your opinion.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Then refer back to your own comment, and follow the definition of woman that you gave, through to its logical conclusion. You may prefer to operate on emotion but sometimes, logical analysis of your thoughts is a good thing.

It is the main way we grow as people.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Repeating your beliefs and opinions to me as though they were fact is convincing you, far more than me or any other reader, imo.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s not how I feel, it is what your own words implied.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I disagree entirely that emotions are the core of who we are, and that trans people are meaningfully changing their biology.

Cosmetically they can alter some things to a degree, but it isn’t possible to physically become another thing.

I’m unsure what your goal is here if you won’t engage with logic and insist on answering things only from a personal perspective.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s the only logical conclusion to this;

Like you can claim it's based on biology but really it's based on you feeling that your biology defines you and is meaningful.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Biology doesn’t control me though. I think this may be a projection. My biology just is. No matter what I may feel about it, it is. Interfering with it will not meaningfully alter my biology.

Every day people are having to make peace with things they cannot control about their bodies. People get arthritis, osteoporosis, paralysed, they lose limbs and sight and hearing. They are short or tall or broad shouldered or prone to fat.

Your denial and emotional arguments aren’t going to change material reality. I’m not trying to take this coping mechanism away from you but I won’t treat your emotions about things as a reason to also indulge in fantasy and idealistic wishes when there are real things.

For people who don’t have these type of issues with gender, the rhetoric can seem kind of..navel gazey. It can look to outsiders like a request we put aside our own realities and perceptions in order to allow someone else to better feed their own idealised version of themselves.

Imagine being told that someone can’t achieve, idk, heaven or enlightenment or some other ideal unless you agree the ideal exists, you see it, and you say so to the person aiming for heaven.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And you don’t think it’s better to accept the unchangeable, maybe improve some patterns of thought like the ones that say maleness is the worst torture imaginable?

Preferring not to process information that is painful is not a healthy practice. If you prefer not to tax yourself with accepting material reality that’s your choice, but it’s not a healthy one.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You can choose denial but acceptance would be better for you in the long run. Why wait an entire lifetime for an impossibility when there is the possibility for greater self acceptance while you’re alive

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Woman is not a title that is earned, bestowed, or given to anyone. As unfair as you may find it, there is no equation or formula or set of rites that can make anyone a woman.

A person is or isn’t and that’s all there is to it. I’d like to be tall and to be able to survive at 32kgs and have previously deluded myself into believing the latter is possible. It isn’t though, and nothing will make it so, even if it torments me.

Sometimes shit just happens the way we don’t want it to and it cannot be changed. Acceptance of the impossible is healthy.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They might have a fetish, but they are extremely unlikely to have a fetish for watching other women undress, for presenting themselves as a woman, for being in a space they are not meant to be in, for planting cameras and uploading the footage to pornography sites, or for disrobing themselves and being seen by women.

Gotta say it’s very telling that you only answer some questions and refuse to engage with any that prove your arguments to be fallible.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And yet hundreds, thousands, of other people were able to at a glance.

How come you answer this but not me asking if you thought we’d be starting fights or attacking the men in question.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Jazz Jennings and Laverne cox do not pass in any situation.

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Do you think we’re all squaring up and starting a fight or something?

GC: How would you react if you saw a trans woman in the women's restroom? by Genderbender in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don’t react unless they are doing something they shouldn’t be or loitering. I keep my displeasure to myself like a regular polite person does.

“What is a Woman” by loveSloane in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yikes I had no idea he’s such a prick. Cheers for a heads up

Calls for trans elimination by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’d like to assure you that chronic pain has no culture around it. It’s just hurting. That’s the only commonality and we aren’t celebrating it.

Calls for trans elimination by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What potential? Trans people already have full human potential by virtue of existing as a human. If you are referring to things you have been told by salesmen about the future of transition medicine, that’s a tragic view of the human potential of the people who get it. That would mean the full potential of many transgender people is medical Guinea pigs. Yet again, trans people will not disappear from the planet like a mist if a cure for dysphoria is developed and offered. People like yourself exist and surely will not vaporise if someone else on the earth gets a prescription?

Calls for trans elimination by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah the problem is that you are refusing to accept that how you see things may not be universal or necessarily correct, coupled with an inability to consider the perspectives of people who do not see things exactly as you do.

Take care. I don’t dislike you. We fundamentally disagree but there’s no hard feelings towards you.

Calls for trans elimination by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’m disturbed that you keep going back to this incorrect interpretation when you’ve been told multiple times in multiple ways that some people electing to cure a condition in a way they approve of is not erasing you.

Calls for trans elimination by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So they’d be doing a wonderful, helpful, useful thing. I’m not sure culpablenis quite the term.

Calls for trans elimination by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Culpable for what lol? Curing a terribly depressing condition like dysphoria

All the time there is will not make the human body a Lego kit. A cure is not giving up. That’s like saying one day chemotherapy will be perfect so a radical mastectomy today is just giving up, not saving someone with breast cancer.

Calls for trans elimination by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’m not saying you’re being dishonest, as in lying, I’m saying I feel you are not engaging with arguments fully and are deliberately diverting discussion away from things you find unanswerable.

Ie. saying that a cat could maybe pretend to not be poisoned thus making it a dog because someone perceived it incorrectly as a large dog.

Idk why you decided to make this about a sapient cat just trying to get through life as a trans dog but it’s clear that was not what the questions were about. That’s intellectual dishonesty.

Seriously, I really really hope you take good care of yourself and don’t let this place hurt your emotional well-being. We might not agree on lots but I don’t think anyone here wants you hurting.

Calls for trans elimination by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

People choosing to do that is their choice though, they're not imposing their will onto someone else, just taking a way out

So are people who would take the cure but you say they have been eliminated by people like Helen Joyce?

Transitioning would be perfect if it was magic? Well yes, but it isn’t magic is it? Human bodies are not capable of slotting together like paper dolls or Lego. It cannot be reconfigured to suit our whims. Knowing this, it seems cruel to promote as a superior option to total alleviation of dysphoria.

Calls for trans elimination by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Why don’t we take unicorns and grow wings at the same time as eliminating violence in males? They are equally possible aims.

I certainly don’t blame you for male violence, and hope you know you shouldn’t feel any responsibility for the choices those men made.

I’m sorry but I’m going to be unable to carry on any conversation if you’re going to be intellectually dishonest.

You know the cat would die. It cannot magicLly develop the body of a dog because someone thinks that should be so. This is not a medical context, this is a question of whether or not a cat and a dog are different animals.

The wax orange isn’t food and you wouldn’t bite it and go “mmm fresh fruit” even if you’re very careful to not admit this.

You’ve been a good sport answering but it feels like you’re just wasting my time, efforts, and good faith by deliberately engaging in intellectually dishonest arguments.

Calls for trans elimination by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Multiple people have already told you that you’re misinterpreting Helen.

So a cure shouldn’t be an option because some people won’t take it?

I cannot believe that transitioning leads to the everlasting perfect happiness promised by those who sell the means of transitioning. Not when every online trans community is filled with people talking at length about their misery and frustration and botched surgery.

An offer is not a forced hand. Transition is not the only possible option for happiness for other people despite what you feel. Your feelings are yours, not a universal transgender experience.

If a trans person electing to cure their dysphoria is being eliminated by the enemy, so is suicide by transgendered people. This would mean the large scale elimination is being enacted by transgendered people.

Calls for trans elimination by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I see all males as a potential threat, regardless of their attire, styling, grooming habits, or presentation. Thirty years of experience has proven this is the only way I can protect myself from male violence.

The animal discussed is objectively a kitten. It is incorrectly perceived as a large dog. I am asking if the kitten can be safely given a medicine dosage for a large dog, because reality is defined by perception, or if this would harm the kitten, meaning objective reality does not bend to perceptions.

I’m not asking you if your perception of yourself is false, I’m asking if you often truly believe things like “model furniture is useable despite being 1:12scale” or “arsenic is only poisonous if I know it’s poison”

So you would say that a wax orange is exactly as nutritious as a real orange? It’s just as juicy until it’s bitten into?

Pics is a specific craving for non-food objects which would mean you are able to differentiate a papier-mâché apple from a real one despite the two items looking like apples.

I’m not discussing you personally and think it would help immensely if you could also remove yourself from the conversation on a personal level and try to approach this with a wider frame of reference than just yourself.

Calls for trans elimination by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Where are you getting the idea that there will be no choice available?

In what way is a better option for some the same thing as killing?

Perhaps a cure for dysphoria is not for you, but there are many who are so tortured by it that they would take a cure in a heartbeat. This doesn’t make them bad people.

A cure for dysphoria would only prevent someone from being who they want to be if who they want to be is merely defined as trans. A person can still be a parent, or an engineer, or a comedian, or charitable, funny, kind, hardworking, loyal, generous, etc etc without the condition of dysphoria being present.

It’s unreasonable to say that because you would reject a cure, a cure is evil.

Calls for trans elimination by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I didn’t ask if you could lie to everyone and claim it’s a dog. I asked it if is a dog and can be medically treated like one.

I’m sure passing and knowing that polite society lies about it is extremely stressful. That doesn’t alter the fact that you are operating on what I believe to be a faulty premise.

I’m afraid that males presenting themselves as women might rape me, maim me, secretly film me using a public toilet. A trans woman’s fear that I will silently know they are not female hardly feels comparable.

Do you often find yourself choosing to believe things even when they have been proven false or impossible?

Do you often find yourself eating imitation foods by accident or do you know the difference when it actually matters?

Could you please answer the part about the ibuprofen? Would it be safe to eat ten boxes if I perceive it as harmless or would I suffer poisoning regardless of what I perceive?

Calls for trans elimination by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I would like to know you’re well after surgery. No details about your body are needed, but I’ll hope you’re recovering well.

Calls for trans elimination by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I disagree that anybody is advocating for the elimination of transgender people by making life unbearable.

Desiring the elimination of gender dysphoria in this context means the creation of a treatment that alleviates dysphoria without the need for extreme and invasive procedures like surgery and interfering with healthy puberty.

Like wanting to eliminate cancers. We want nobody to have to endure chemo, not kill cancer patients. We eradicated polio and it didn’t involve murdering polio sufferers, now did it?

A culture is not an organic state of being, no. It’s a living complex system formed by the individuals who make it up. It’s informed by the experiences and knowledge and values of the people in it. Cultures do not simply crop up organically from the ground.

How can an internal identity also be a culture?

More importantly, what religion, race, ethnicity, or nation do transgendered people have in common for genocide to be taking place?

Again, while the phrasing elimination sounds aggressive, the idea is not to destroy transgendered people, but to unequivocally cure dysphoria without requiring the alteration of the body and the complications that often come with it. This is not murder, it is not cruelly leaving people with dysphoria suffering without recourse. What it is is a desire for better and more varied treatment options than a singular invasive treatment option like surgery or drugs that is dishonestly marketed as failsafe and with guarantees bioidentical results.

Instead of a thousand transwomen being genuinely surprised to discover only after surgery, that fistula are common, or transmen finding out that urethral lengthening ends in serious structure up to half of the time, they could be free of dysphoria and not be subjected to unethical and predatory medicalisation. There’s no forcible reduction at all. It’s simply the option of better treatments.

Calls for trans elimination by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And you really honestly can’t see any flaws with people thinking the kitten is a dog? Do felines not have objective physical differences to golden retrievers? Does it not require a different diet? Different training, different medications, different grooming, different handling? Or do those constant physical realities bend and the cat is fine being being given large dog wormer because of how it is perceived?

You seem intent that physical reality is optionally observable and the idiosyncratic perceptions of individual people who may be incorrect about material reality somehow dictate or define the material.

If this was true, the kitten would thrive with large dog wormer. Would you, right now, dose a kitten with large dog wormer? If not, I suspect you may have a far better understanding of how physical reality actually matters more than personal perception of it.

There is absolutely objective information. Would you say it’s merely a theory that a human requires oxygen or water? Do we not measure temperature, weight, height, density, or light?

If I was unaware of the toxicity of ibuprofen and ate ten boxes, would I get sick because of overdosing, even if I and everyone in the room perceived them as harmless?

It’s absurd to claim there is no such thing as objective reality.

It seems as though you assume the vast majority of transgendered people are passing as the opposite of their sex all of the time, and thus should be included as a part of a count of that group. There’s two flaws here, one is that people are notoriously dishonest about how well people pass in order to be polite, meaning their perception is not truly of a woman but if a male who clearly wants to be a woman.

It also assumes that any facsimile or simulacrum of an object is also the same thing as the object. Like, saying this wax sculpture of an orange is an actual fruit, and fruits include wax sculptures, because a bunch of people looked at the wax sculpture and didn’t know it was wax.

I think you know that this doesn’t work.

If someone identifies as a chef, but hasn’t the qualifications, and doesn’t cook, they just aren’t a chef. They might think they are but they are incorrect. Chef does not become a word for both professional cooks and people who have never stirred a pot.

Calls for trans elimination by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s not genocide. Genocide is not defined as limitations on a group of people who share a psychosocial phenomenon.

If being transgender is simply an organic state of being for some people, something you yourself claimed, how can it be described as a culture?

Genocide is the explicit extermination of a racial/religious/ethnic/national group via murder or forced sterilisation, or eugenic breeding programs like what was inflicted upon Aboriginal Australians.

The term genocide is simply not applicable here.

Calls for trans elimination by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’m saying biology alone makes a woman and the perceptions of others have zero impact on that material reality.

If one’s identity requires the observation of others to remain, I’d argue it’s inherently not their identity. An identity that exists only through the participation or observation of others is a performance or a facade.

How can a working definition be something that is up to the perceptions of individuals? For example, three people are locked in a room. Two are female, one is male. One female person perceives the male as a male, the other perceives him as female. How can he possibly be defined as male or female if the only condition for defining something is by what it is perceived as?

If someone who doesn’t know about cats says their kitten is a golden retriever with a growth problem, does it stop being a feline due to perception?

Isn’t it better for definitions to use measurable, observable, objective information, instead of relying on subjective perceptions?

You may require external validation for your identity, but do you truly think that this is true for everyone else? Do you believe that there are no women who know they are women, without the agreement of others?

Calls for trans elimination by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s not genocide. You are not being targeted for death or sterility as a religious, ethnic, national, or racial group.

Genocide is not the same thing as suicides.

Calls for trans elimination by [deleted] in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

you lived on a desert island with no one else around, how much would being a woman affect your life?

I’d still know I’m a woman based on my observable material reality. We’d still need to deal with menses or menopause, even while totally unobserved.

This is sort of what I was questioning you about last night.

You made a claim earlier that people are defined as what others observe them to be, however this is not true for a massive number of people.

A woman alone is still a woman, even without a society to verify this or to inform her that they expect her to behave a certain way because of her being a woman.

If we define ourselves as the perceptions of others, how can it possibly be an internal identity?

Wpath and the eunuch archives by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lol, my god the melodrama. You couldn’t answer how I have been going off the rails but you’ll continue this tirade and threats of punishment. Ban me, I know you will. It’s not a punishment. It’s a great proof of all my criticisms of you.

Derrple themselves had no complaints about my comment but you have taken it upon yourself to try and start an argument with me on their behalf, make baseless accusations you choose not to prove, and have made threats for two days now.

Either prove to everyone you have an inability to handle the shred of “power” you have as a mod and ban me for something you made up, explain what attacks I have made in this thread that aren’t simply your own misinterpretations, or go bother someone else and block me if I’m so triggering to your temper.

Hahaha, way to prove me right. My criticism of you is not that you have a vendetta, it’s that you make things up wholesale to start fights where there were none, then act like you’re the only thing preventing this place from becoming a riot.

Wpath and the eunuch archives by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Grow up. “It still stands” means that despite it being rude you stand by it. That’s how words work.

Wpath and the eunuch archives by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Oh grow up.

Sorry but I stand by it is doubling down. Happy to dish it but can’t take gentle and correct criticism. Pathetic.

Wpath and the eunuch archives by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Can we really compare the voluntary removal of sexual function and skipping school or getting drunk or driving a car? I can’t see how they are comparable.

In what way do you feel skipping a day of school and the inability to experience sexual desire or pleasure in ten years time are similar?

You have made some intriguing changes in your diktats here. first you decreed the only thing to do is give any child that requests them hormones because it doesn’t matter that they may never gain sexual function as adults because you do not take issue with a lack of sexual desire/function.

You were asked why you feel you can apply those feelings to others, and now you phrase the question as though all children can and have confirmed that they do indeed consent to this, and state that I am trying to make personal medical decisions for people. On the basis that I..what? Question a line of treatments as a whole?

Even if I possessed the capacity to control someone else’s healthcare, I’m not in favour of issuing sweeping gestures like totally allowing or disallowing things.

That’s not even touching on the neurodevelopmental stuff we’re skipping over, which would all indicate that a prepubescent child does not possess the capacity to make decisions for their adult selves.

Wpath and the eunuch archives by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Lmao ridiculous.

I’ll edit my comment when you can manage your emotions and answer questions instead of acting like I called someone a nazi or a pervert.

You enjoy standing by your delightful choice to call an autistic woman inhuman when called out for hypocrisy. Says far more about you as a person than anything I say here says about me.

Wpath and the eunuch archives by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

How am I going off the rails? What heinous attacks am I supposedly making? If you read these emotionless questions and find them somehow aggressive, I think the issue lies with your perception.

What have I said that requires I censor it?

That a statement that lacked empathy was lacking in empathy? Instead of making things up when I have behaved perfectly decently here, would you please explain what the problem is? And why you seem to have a personal one with me?

I’m doubtful this tirade is all because I suggested a point made by someone I disagree with lacks empathy.

Wpath and the eunuch archives by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What was that about insults immediately before you said I struggle to be a human? Top notch choice of insult for an autistic woman.

I’m aware I am discussing opinion vs opinion with derrple. I am referring specifically however, to their choice to filter their opinions through their personal experiences and feelings. This is an acceptable thing to challenge in a debate space. It is also a perfect example of a statement that reads as having zero empathy. If you disagree you could try making a refutation instead of whatever you think you are doing.

Just as derrple is free to continue to imply that questioning cross sex hormone treatment is the same as personally having it banned.

Your first foray into the sub involved starting shit, you became a mod and started more shit, contributed nothing for months and then started this shit.

Any more hypocrisy to dish out with your power trip?

Wpath and the eunuch archives by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Beris has had a problem with me since day one.

Wpath and the eunuch archives by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Then why do you make these grand sweeping statements on behalf of other people that you cannot possibly know are true? Why do you dismiss things like future sexual function based solely on your personal repulsion?

You stated earlier that all children should be given hormones if requested despite surely knowing a child cannot comprehend what it means to give up their adult sexual functions, or to live with osteopenia.

Wpath and the eunuch archives by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

So yes or no, sexual dysfunction for others in the future matters even though you are sex repulsed?

Osteoporosis is acceptable to you so it is acceptable to everyone who uses hormone treatments?

Wpath and the eunuch archives by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Observation of insincere and bad faith arguments. For a mod you start a lot of snarky shit while contributing zero to the community.

Wpath and the eunuch archives by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It’s not a thinly veiled anything it was an observation about a comment.

Wpath and the eunuch archives by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What a frightening lack of empathy combined with an unshakeable conviction that you know better than all others what is good for children.

Too bad so sad for anyone who isn’t a child demanding cross-sex hormone treatment, they should know better. 🙄

You cannot or will not specifically answer questions but apparently think that vague hand waves at “rights” and “agency” and outright dismissal of everyone who has been harmed by the exact thing you say is needed.

Wpath and the eunuch archives by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Is there a reason you’re not answering this question? You went off on an absolute tangent without any actual response.

Let me ask you again, are you capable of separating your emotions and wants from other children?

Wpath and the eunuch archives by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’m concerned about how often you take these points about other people and deny them because it’s not applicable to you.

Like, your sex hang ups have nothing to do with the fact that children given puberty blockers like jazz Jennings will become adults who have extreme sexual dysfunctions.

You don’t care about the side effects of testosterone on girls so we should all dismiss them as acceptable.

Can you remove your own desires from a discussion about other people, and remember that other people can and will want things you are fine without?

Wpath and the eunuch archives by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That was ever being questioned tho

Wpath and the eunuch archives by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Wait so do you still think they are compartmentalising and we shouldn’t question WPATH/people with harmful paraphilia?

First you defended these men so I’m rather confused.

Wpath and the eunuch archives by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant[S] 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The fact that multiple men who have positions of power within WPATH and who suggest early halting of puberty all share this particular extreme paraphilia is heavily related by all appearances, unless one is trying not to see it, yes.

Wpath and the eunuch archives by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Kinda feels disingenuous to compare this specific situation to people having milder paraphilias who aren’t in careers that heavily relate to the paraphilia.

This is closer to a questioning a surgeon who is aroused by touching your organs than questioning a Kmart employee who has a thing for leather.

Wpath and the eunuch archives by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yikes. I disagree that most people have such extreme paraphilias.

So you think that the men working for WPATH and posting on the forums about raping, castrating, and murdering little boys is compartmentalising it and is fine to work with kids?

Id pull my kid out of school if I found out their teacher or principal was doing something similar.

Wpath and the eunuch archives by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You don’t see any conflicting interests in adults with castration fetishes being in a role to recommend therapies that result in acquired infertility in adolescents?

Wpath and the eunuch archives by Houseplant in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Gotta agree with you about wpath having been on a downward spiral for a while now.

Any organisation of adults making guidelines for children should be transparent and open to criticism. WPATHs indignant reaction. to scrutiny was the biggest red flag imo.

Should GC feminists stop associating with conservatives on topics in which they’re interests are aligned? by Heimdekledi in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Radical feminism and gender critical feminism exist outside of the American political dichotomy and so it’s weird to associate the two so much.

There is no American right wing in Australia.

I’d say it’s pretty weird to say that if a radfem speaks on the one platform that will allow her to speak, a republican one, she’s now right wing but whenever a TRA is outed as a pedo or rapist they are immediately disconnected from the platform and are to be spoken about as an individual with individually bad ideas.

Why is a woman speaking next to a shitty man grounds for her to be a bad woman but a bad man representing your interests is an individual not representative of the group?

Should GC feminists stop associating with conservatives on topics in which they’re interests are aligned? by Heimdekledi in GCdebatesQT

[–]Houseplant 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Radical feminism and gender critical feminism exist outside of the American political dichotomy and so it’s weird to associate the two so much.

There is no American right wing in Australia.

I’d say it’s pretty weird to say that if a radfem speaks on the one platform that will allow her to speak, a republican one, she’s now right wing but whenever a TRA is outed as a pedo or rapist they are immediately disconnected from the platform and are to be spoken about as an individual with individually bad ideas.

Why is a woman speaking next to a shitty man grounds for her to be a bad woman but a bad man representing your interests is an individual not representative of the group?

Is it exclusionary for the LGB Alliance to not include the T? by SnowAssMan in GCdebatesQT

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Sure, homosexual transgender people belong under the lgb umbrella. The issue arises when a select few decide that lgb don’t matter, or matter less than their T.
It’s seemingly impossible to fit transgender people who are also rampantly homophobic anywhere into lgb.

GC: How do you feel about out trans people choosing to become parents? by worried19 in GCdebatesQT

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I disagree intensely with the sentiment that everyone deserves a family. Plenty of people don’t.

I want to be fine with it, but the number of men who discuss their intentions to ‘breastfeed’, their rants over their existing childrens refusal to call them mum, and discuss having a child like it’s a pet have left me reserved.

Like all people, an aptitude for parenting is something that needs to be assessed case by case. Abusive people hide in every conceivable demographic.

GC: What is/was your opinion on r/FemaleDatingStrategy? by SnowAssMan in GCdebatesQT

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Based lol.

Meta: What can we do to stimulate more activity here? by worried19 in GCdebatesQT

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We’ve been over this one before. Not doing it again.

[Both] What do you think of "The DIY HRT Directory"? Good or bad? by ISaidWhatISaid in GCdebatesQT

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Total garbage disguised as harm prevention.

Full of opinions and anecdotes framed as medical fact, selling promises they cannot keep.

GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed? by SnowAssMan in GCdebatesQT

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He seriously seems to think that he has single handedly solved sexism if only these stupid uppity women would listen and do what he says, without even a hint of irony. Male feminist poster child.

GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed? by SnowAssMan in GCdebatesQT

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It’s cute how you keep framing things like you won something when you’ve just been sucking down obvious bait and puffing yourself up like a pigeon to someone who is laughing down at you the more you huff.

There’s nothing to forfeit. You and your half baked idea are not a competition or a threat. You are a sideshow who thinks he runs the circus.

GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed? by SnowAssMan in GCdebatesQT

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That’s perfect, you’re right on cue. Now once more with feeling, babe.

GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed? by SnowAssMan in GCdebatesQT

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If you think nobody else here is laughing at you I’ll leave that illusion alive for ya. I’m here to debate, just not silly ideas suggested by men who give marching orders to women then say the women are dishonest and unintelligent for not marching.

Go on, now you demand I treat your post with respect and answer you properly or go away again. Make sure to keep Ignoring everything that sums up why I’m not gonna invest time or effort into giving quality answers to foolish ideas, naturally.

GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed? by SnowAssMan in GCdebatesQT

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I love that you seem to really truly think that any silly thing you say deserves a deeply thought out essay reply from us.

You took yourself way too seriously and are taking responses that are mostly taking the piss out of you and your ideas as seriously as you take yourself.

Step back for a sec and realise that there’s a lot of playful prodding going on here because it’s hard to take you seriously when you try to lecture us and tell us we should go do espionage.

I know you’ll dismiss this the way you dismiss every comment that doesn’t treat you like an authoritative and serious font of ideas but you should know anyway.

You will only ever be pointed at and laughed at when you come in all puffed up like you’re our sergeant and we aren’t saluting quick enough.

Basically bud, you aren’t owed quality content in exchange for anything you shit out and tell us we should do. Every single time you, as a male, waltz in and start saying you have the answer to feminism and we better listen up for our own good, you will be pointed at and laughed at. If you need to ask why that is, we will laugh harder.

If you start demanding we take you seriously and answer you, more pointing and laughing at the little angry man.

If you declare we are all incapable of understanding how brilliant your ideas are some might just piss themselves with laughter.

But nobody is gonna take you more seriously or do as you want it demand them to.

~spreading chaos~ lmao righto Tyler durden

QT: why should "transwomen" be allowed into women's spaces at all? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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I feel bad for her but I wish she’d bugger off and repeat herself at someone else, too. It sucks that she’s not up for debate but it feels cruel to let her flounder

GC: Why don't you get your gender identity legally changed? by SnowAssMan in GCdebatesQT

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Fuck me you get combative and start assuming some really silly things snow.

I’m not making excuses, this discussion and your idea aren’t important or clever and there’s no excuses required.

I answered you. You not liking the answer given doesn’t mean there’s a grand conspiracy at play, or that you are some tactical genius throwing a perfect solution at these dumb feminists who won’t acknowledge your magic solutions.

It’s not that deep. Nobody is secretly not answering you truthfully because your post is such intimidating brilliance. It’s silly.

QT: why should "transwomen" be allowed into women's spaces at all? by BiologyIsReal in GCdebatesQT

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I give up with her. I’m taking her word about the learning disabilities and truly think that she is not capable of the reading comprehension or critical thinking we request from her.