Both: What do you think about the NHS ending the gender-affirmation care model for youth in England?

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[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (13 children)

Holy strawmen Batman!

[–]a_green_squidtransmed i guess? 3 insightful - 3 fun3 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 3 fun -  (12 children)

"I have no functional response to the fact that my entire movement has been overtaken by traditionalist extremists who want to take away my rights"

You're the definition of a useful idiot.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (11 children)

Pointing out the glaring flaw in your attack is not idiocy. Do you have anything to contribute other than ranting and raving?

[–]a_green_squidtransmed i guess? 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

House... the term 'useful idiot' does not mean you are LITERALLY an idiot. It's a bit of a mean-spirited derogatory insult coined in vernacular to mean something else, and since MT decided that was the term she was going to use, it sort of sets the tone, don't you think?

From Webster: a naive or credulous person who can be manipulated or exploited to advance a cause or political agenda.

As for the 'glaring flaw', enlighten me, O Wise One. MT called people who care about the health and wellbeing of children with dysphoria 'useful idiots' in unknowing cohorts with some cabal of, and I quote, 'some very creepy, sinister people'. Very ominous and spooky, plus a bit silly because it sounds word for word like something Trump would say, but we have fun here. Setting aside the fact that I'm pretty sure the voices in my head are NOT coming from a third party out to trans the kids, I pointed out that your wild and wacky movement is literally currently being overtaken by theocratic facists who are using your rhetoric and your bodies as fodder to build themselves into positions of wealth and power. Radical feminists pushed hard to put people in power in the UK who are ACTIVELY looking to strip away women's rights. Hence, useful idiots. Such as yourself.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 4 insightful - 3 fun4 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 3 fun -  (6 children)

I am aware of the phrase, thanks for yet another unnecessary lecture though. My response was to your tone, which reeks of misplaced exasperation and the assumption that I am an idiot.

The glaring flaw is the strawmen I mentioned. Until you can respond to the points I made without devolving into a tirade of insults I’m going to ignore you again and assume you are here to scream into the wind as per usual.

[–]a_green_squidtransmed i guess? 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

"I have no functional response to the fact that my entire movement has been overtaken by traditionalist extremists who want to take away my rights"

You're the definition of a useful idiot.

And you responded:

Pointing out the glaring flaw in your attack is not idiocy

No offense house but I don't for a second believe you were aware of the phrase, there is nothing at all in my post you're responding to calling you an idiot unless you literally believe that being called a useful idiot means you are being called an idiot.

The glaring flaw is the strawmen I mentioned. Until you can respond to the points I made

Again, you said:

Holy strawmen Batman!

That's not a point being made, that's not "strawmen" being mentioned in any way except abstractly, that's you showing up unannounced and gesticulating wildly at everything while exclaiming "Strawman! Strawman!".

Oh I missed you house, I think we'd get along great if you weren't so full of yourself and I wasn't so full of myself.

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    [–]beris😎[M] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

    I will tell you what I told Mark, they're banned, you're done, quit engaging.

    [–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    Righto, never saw what you said to anyone else tho.

    [–]beris😎 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I guess it's pretty far down the other comment thread, no worries.

    [–]MarkTwainiac 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

    the term 'useful idiot' does not mean you are LITERALLY an idiot. It's a bit of a mean-spirited derogatory insult coined in vernacular to mean something else, and since MT decided that was the term she was going to use, it sort of sets the tone, don't you think?

    From Webster: a naive or credulous person who can be manipulated or exploited to advance a cause or political agenda.

    I used the term "useful idiots" fully aware of its meaning. I stand by my statements.

    MT called people who care about the health and wellbeing of children with dysphoria 'useful idiots' in unknowing cohorts with some cabal of, and I quote, 'some very creepy, sinister people'.

    Wut? I did not say

    "people who care about the health and wellbeing of children with dysphoria" are all useful idiots."

    On the contrary, I said something very different, namely:

    not everyone who supports [social and medical] transition of kids and minor teens is doing so for nefarious reasons. Some people involved in this are naive, superficially well-meaning "useful idiots."

    You are making a profound error in assuming that

    people who care about the health and wellbeing of children with dysphoria

    are the same as the people who promote social and medical transition of those children.

    I and many other adults with experience raising our own children and who have professional experience in areas such as child development, youth education, pediatric and adolescent health care, counseling, youth sports, etc. care very much about the health and wellbeing of children with dysphoria. Because we care so much, we do not support social and medical transition of children and adolescent minors with dysphoria.

    I think if you were to go through my post history on this sub, you'd find that I am pretty well informed, fairly measured in my views and that I choose my words very carefully. I care very much about the health and wellbeing of children of both sexes.

    Sorry, but your posts on this thread strike me as the ravings of someone off his/her head and meds.

    [–]a_green_squidtransmed i guess? 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    I used the term "useful idiots" fully aware of its meaning. I stand by my statements.

    I am aware. House did not understand the term, so I explained it for her sake, not yours. All I was claiming was that you 'set the tone' by using it.

    Wut? I did not say [people who care about the health and wellbeing of children with dysphoria" are all useful idiots.]

    You did though, you just don't think you did because you don't believe in the objective reality the evidence regarding transition and dysphoria in minors tells.

    I and many other adults with experience raising our own children

    Cool, doesn't change the fact that overwhelming evidence disagrees with you.

    Sorry, but your posts on this thread strike me as the ravings of someone off his/her head and meds.

    You posted an unironic conspiracy theory about a trans cabal using people in favour of "push[ing] transition on kids" evidence-based medicine to further their trans agenda. Like I don't know how to tell you this but you can't really say that and expect to be taken seriously. I'm admittedly ranting a bit, but why should I be coherent. I tried that before and was gaslit straight on out of here. At least when I ramble about how unbelievably psychotic your (colloquial) views are I'm having fun with it. And that's all that matters at the end of the day - I'm going to have fun with it. Because I sure as shit am not going to convince any of you to unbury your heads.

    [–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    You posted an unironic conspiracy theory about a trans cabal using people in favour of "push[ing] transition on kids" evidence-based medicine to further their trans agenda.

    I never mentioned a "trans cabal" pushing "their trans agenda." I said

    I've come to conclude that some very creepy, sinister people are behind the campaign to push transition on kids.

    I never said that the creepy, sinister people behind this are trans. That's on you mate.

    I think many of the creepy, sinister people behind this are "cis" men like Norman Spack and "cis" women like Tandy Aye. I think many of the creepy, sinister people behind this are "cis" child abusing mothers like Susie Green, Jeanette Jennings and Kim Shappley. I think many of the creepy, sinister people behind this are the "cis" men who run Big Pharma, and the many "cis" men who are pedophiles and defenders of pedophilia like the recently-resigned trustee of Mermaids, Jacob Breslow; Rüdiger Lautmann, author of "Lust for Children;" and Peter Tatchell.