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[–]alladd 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

In the USA, for example, many people learn that the most valued boy will be white, engage in rough-and-tumble play with other boys that will toughen him up and straighten him out, allowing him to mature into a man who wears a suit and tie, makes a lot of money, enters into a sexually monogamous marriage with a woman, buys a home, and has enough but not too many children.

Someone sounds jealous. It's okay, don't cry. Just convince kids to dress up like perverts too, and then you'll be the normal ones!

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 14 insightful - 3 fun14 insightful - 2 fun15 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

Translation:

“We want the white males to be effeminate, non-straight, fetish-possessed crossdressers who are sexually incontinent, preferably with older men, poor, single, childless and vulnerable.”

Well slap my ass and call me Sally, that sure sounds like grooming!

[–]alladd 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

It actually honestly feels more like they have no idea what they want, or what they purport "queer theory" to even be. It's an idea with a void at its center because it doesn't develop from anything but the libido and has no end goal beyond sex. So all this political framework is just them trying to convince themselves it's legitimate and not the post-hoc rationalizing of a mentally unwell fetishist. That it ends with grooming, mutilation and other abuses are just consolation prizes of living a directionless narcissistic lie of a life.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I thought “queer theory” was essentially an argument for the breakdown of all norms of behaviour, particularly sexual, and because they view sexuality as socially constructed they believe that heterosexuality (and homosexuality, for that matter) is just a learned behaviour. It’s ultimately extremely creepy, but consistent with the ideology, that they have fixated on “queering” children. It also helps that at least one of their founders, Foucault, was a paedophile who raped little boys and wrote in support of the elimination of the age of consent (alongside many of the great and the good of 60s/70s France).

[–]alladd 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Right, I think because it comes from the libido it focuses on sex primarily, but when you really look at it as a whole, "queer theory" is just sophistry. It's just being able to undermine any system or behavior that you don't like with linguistic tricks in order to avoid confronting the pathologies that led to you becoming who you are.

Because any kind of established base of common knowledge lends itself to criticizing such a blatantly narcissistic view, that common knowledge needs to be challenged. In lieu of changing one's perspective to meet facts, the only other option is to inject doubt into the ability to ascertain fact.

Whatever the queer person's personal failures are in life; those become the spaces they fuck up because they wanted to be welcomed into them. Ironically they still seek acceptance from a larger outside group, they are in no way individualistic; they just try to change the criteria for acceptance to be whatever list of traits they possess, rather than working on themselves.

TL;DR don't over-respect them by acting like this ideology has a point. This is just another way of trying to fit in.

[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They're anti white and they want whites to be genocided. That's the ultimate goal. "Don't have children. Cut your dick off."

[–]LyingSpirit472 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's an idea with a void at its center because it doesn't develop from anything but the libido and has no end goal beyond sex.

But that's the whole point of their theory: It doesn't have to have an end goal to the person espousing it besides sex. The whole theory becomes "I'll say or do literally whatever gets my pee-pee wet, to literally whoever will allow me to get my pee pee wet inside them, until such time as my pee pee is wet."

[–]Houseplant 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Why is any of that such a nightmare to them? It’s as if they realised that not every little boy is like that, then decided any who are are monsters.

[–]alladd 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Because they secretly wish they could fit in and be normal, accepted and loved, but they can't, so they try to make being normal seem wrong.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Drag pedagogy: The playful practice of queer imagination in early childhood

We argue that the programme creates a pathway into the imaginative, messy, and rule-breaking aspects of drag for children without necessarily watering down queer cultures.

Book selections often include queer and/or trans characters, gender-transgressive themes, or narratives about not fitting in and finding one’s voice. Some translate drag’s penchant for taboo to kids’ ideas of silly topics, like making a mess or potty time (Brooklyn Public Library, n.d.). Occasionally, a queen performs a lip-sync of songs from a children’s film. At many events, organizers invite kids to create their own drag name or study feminist icons using DQSH’s self-published Dragtivity Book (Erlich, 2018). A few cities have expanded programming to include bilingual readings, events geared specifically towards neurodivergent children and others with disabilities, or programmes for teenagers that feature makeup and performance workshops.

I read the whole article, wouldn’t recommend, and, as a teacher myself, it is a bunch of nonsense regarding “queer pedagogy” and an attempt to justify, and probably monetise, their fetish and exposing their fetish to children. The fact that they’re going for the youngest, most vulnerable, impressionable and trusting children speaks volumes, the fact that they aren’t promoting “Drag Queen Physics Time” at high school level is not a mystery, teenagers will see through the creepy dude in a dress schtick in a second.

[–]LyingSpirit472 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Even more than the youngest- those "specifically towards neurodivergent children" goes past raising a red flag and goes right to the whole goddamn naval battalion showing up firing on you, since we have seen through gender cult and other queer theory that convincing neurodivergent children to join the fray is Tutorial Mode for getting people into the cult. They'd literally be less sus coming to the school in a white van marked 'Free Candy and Puppies Here'.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Go directly to Chipper, do not go past Go, do not collect $200.

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 🐈 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I read the whole article, wouldn’t recommend

I could not, that was vile. Not sure why anyone thinks this is a good idea.

[–]RedEyedWarriorThe Evil Cishomo 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Cross dressing in front of children should be a criminal offence.

[–]Femaleisnthateful 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

The more I read shit like this, the more conservative I get...

[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Conservatives are just liberals 10 years ago.

Don't become conservative. Don't be a reactionary. Become a revolutionary progressive national socialist. Let's burn these LGBTQ books and let's normalize having healthy lives and good families and many children who can fill our lives with joy. That's real wealth.

Materialism is poison to the soul.

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Hell no, I'm not going within 100 miles of anything that has the world socialist in it. Especially not when this is Adolf Hitler's ideology and you're explictly condoning censorship. Despite claiming to hate materialism that's all this really is, 100% secular and focused on the material world and subscribing to its ways.

[–]Dragonerne 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

The nazis were christians

You should learn about both before talking

[–]Vulptexghost fox girl ^w^ 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Hardly. The Nazis only endorsed a kind of "German Protestants" which got rid of the Old Testament and all Christian ethics, especially the golden rule. Even then, they only viewed it as useful for their agenda rather than believing in it. They thought other religions such as Islam should eventually replace Christianity. They would've sent Christians to the camps (and did send the most devout ones) if it hadn't been so widespread that they'd have killed the whole population in doing so.

Hitler thought Jesus was an anti-Jewish revolutionary, but was not a Christian himself.

[–]Dragonerne 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You're mistaken. I don't know which jewish publication told you these lies and frankly I'm not really interested to know either. Educate yourself, this is just stupid to read.

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 🐈 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

they’re coming for your children.

Yeah, mate. They're coming to read them stories for an hour.

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 🐈 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Why is having men in lingerie read to children desirable?

[–]Dragonerne 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Why do groomers want an audience of children?

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 🐈 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I get why they want it, why do the parents think it's a good idea.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Did you look at the photos at the end of the paper? Look at the “parents” that are at the events, you might notice something.

[–]Musky༼⁠ ⁠つ⁠ ⁠◕⁠‿⁠◕⁠ ⁠༽⁠つ 🐈 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

TIL fags shouldn't be allowed to have children.

[–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

If they just want to read to children they can leave the costumes and make up at home, no?

[–]ActuallyNot 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Would you ask: If a clown just wanted to entertain children, why don't they leave the costumes and make up at home?

The idea is that the Drag Queen getup is big and colorful and fun for children.

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    [–]ClassroomPast6178[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

    The problem is even worse in private schools. You really need to root out the postmodernist bollocks in the university education faculties.

    [–]Q-Continuum-kin 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    Ultimately, the authors propose that “drag pedagogy” provides a performative approach to queer pedagogy that is not simply about LGBT lives, but living queerly.

    Yes yes because straight people who wish they could be edgy and cool like gays so they decide to "live queerly".

    [–]UncleWillard56 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

    "this article, written collaboratively by an education scholar and a drag queen involved in organizing DQSH..."

    Well those are some serious credentials. Thank god the experts are on the case.