Should GC feminists stop associating with conservatives on topics in which they’re interests are aligned?

Heimdekledi · 2023-06-07T07:02:04+00:00

You don’t believe in psychological associations like smells to memory or stuff like that?

Heimdekledi · 2023-06-07T07:00:57+00:00

You don’t worry about unintentional consequences of giving conservatives messaging that only sounds feminist but will actually lead to the enforcement of legal gender codes

Heimdekledi · 2022-12-31T17:50:06+00:00

Those aren’t the sort of systems I’m talking about. It’s more like people having subjective associations with things due to instincts and socialization and using artificial labels to categorize things in a personal way while not assuming that others share the same definitions as you.

Heimdekledi · 2022-11-05T23:45:38+00:00

Not true, there are trans inclusive gender crits. We believe gender is unnecessary but that it is possible to have non-harmful versions of gender before it’s eventually abolished. Like people who don’t believe in marriage but aren’t militant about all of their friends divorced. Change takes time

Heimdekledi · 2022-11-05T23:39:35+00:00

So do you think it’s possible to work with conservative politicians in one area without increasing their overall electability?

Heimdekledi · 2022-11-05T23:37:56+00:00

The question was more about whether appearing on such conservative media outlets help conservatives appear more legitimate and thus make them more electable. Is it inefficient activism.

I mean GC activists and viewpoints being used by conservative politicians to increase their electability is an international occurrence.

Heimdekledi · 2022-11-05T23:26:40+00:00

Infiltrating the Conservative party is easier than trying to influence the "liberal" party.

Is it though? And is giving more legitimacy to right wings group not a greater risk than simply being unable to significantly influence left wing ones

Heimdekledi · 2022-11-05T23:23:04+00:00

Note: Yes I know it’s been a long time

The American political dichotomy doesn’t even really exist in America, but I’m being general with my use of terms. Do you not think that Australia has political groups who share many of the same values as american ones? Perhaps in some way influenced by conservative religious groups found in both countries?

I didn’t say she was a bad woman, I asked if she’s being inefficient in her activism by making people who want to take away her rights look better to the voting populace.

Heimdekledi · 2022-11-05T23:11:31+00:00

I would disagree. Just as in “Passing” the feelings of bigots on this matter are of no importance and so their “vote” doesn’t count. They must always be the one to ask

Heimdekledi · 2022-05-08T03:49:54+00:00

Meanwhile the republicans will ban all menstruation products at school

Heimdekledi · 2022-03-18T12:17:44+00:00

And what makes these parents abusers when they’re following the advice of every credible major medical association in the U.S.?

Heimdekledi · 2022-03-18T03:51:09+00:00

I think it’s also red meat for his conservative base. In a vacuum though do you think it’s a good policy?

Heimdekledi · 2022-03-18T00:03:34+00:00

There is no looking trans or male, just people whom think some appearances look trans or male. So they should use the bathroom they identify with

Heimdekledi · 2022-03-17T23:57:42+00:00

Not be mean for one.

Heimdekledi · 2022-01-16T00:49:53+00:00

Do you not believe that there are appearances that are inherently cis or trans?

Heimdekledi · 2022-01-16T00:46:57+00:00

I am

Heimdekledi · 2022-01-16T00:46:39+00:00

It's not based on an infant's awareness of it's own appearance, but rather an instinctual preference to absorb certain information into their self-concept based on perceived sex traits groups in their environment

Heimdekledi · 2022-01-16T00:43:52+00:00

Not really. Sexual Orientation for instance is an instinctive phenomenon that doesn't depend knowledge of one's own sex traits in order to respond to the sex traits of others. Also this isn't about an infant not bonding with their primary care giver, but rather whether there's an instinct that causes them to preferentially incorporate aspects of perceived sex trait groups into their self-concept.

Heimdekledi · 2022-01-16T00:37:15+00:00

Because "trans" like all concepts are subjective constructs. Not all people relate to subjective concepts in the same way

Heimdekledi · 2022-01-16T00:35:17+00:00

Because knowledge of the entire movie is not necessary for discussing the relevant concepts

Heimdekledi · 2022-01-16T00:34:29+00:00

It doesn't really. I'm pointing out the double standard

Heimdekledi · 2022-01-16T00:32:04+00:00

Disagree.

Heimdekledi · 2022-01-16T00:31:34+00:00

The fact that bonobos and chimps both segregate into sex groups at least some of the times. No one is a fool.

It's said that infants have the ability to discern different types of sex traits at a young age, so presumably this system would work in tandem with how that sex trait identification function works.

It is a form of identity formation.

Heimdekledi · 2022-01-16T00:26:38+00:00

Of course they can. Forcing people to have sex with coercion, forcing people to penetrate against their will and penetrating orifices with objects definitely count as rape.

Heimdekledi · 2021-11-16T20:18:35+00:00

Identity forms in roughly the same way as sexual orientation does but for identity instead of attraction. Certain physical features cause an infant to in some way mentally bond and begin to form a individualized group identity with the organisms who posses the same features. I’d imagine part of the evolutionary reason for this is part of the same reason that chimps and bonobos form sex-trait linked groups.

This is of course an averaged model. Just as there are people who have little to no sexual attraction there are presumably people with little to no physical trait group identification.

Heimdekledi · 2021-11-16T20:09:51+00:00

Her husband in the movie pretty clearly did.

Heimdekledi · 2021-11-16T20:09:24+00:00

Sounds like rape apology to me.

Heimdekledi · 2021-11-16T20:06:33+00:00

Careful, don’t want to be a rape apologist.

Heimdekledi · 2021-11-16T20:05:14+00:00

I don’t give spoilers

Heimdekledi · 2021-11-16T20:04:31+00:00

Presumably she stays because she loves him, wants the financial security, or both.

You say it’s not the same, but in what way does it not fulfill the given criteria for rape by deception?

Heimdekledi · 2021-11-16T20:01:20+00:00

You say it’s wrong. Does that mean you consider it rape by deception?

Heimdekledi · 2021-08-10T07:55:00+00:00

”a post-competition study of 693 elite athletes by Healy et al., published in 2014, found significant differences along many variables. The authors found that:

16.5% of men had low testosterone levels, whereas 13.7% of women had high levels with complete overlap between the sexes.[35]

Source:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_verification_in_sports

“Using the log-transformed data to predict a ‘normal range’ for elite female athletes, it would extend from 0.4 to 7.7 nmol/l. There were still eleven female athletes with testosterone levels above 8 nmol/l, three of which had values between 25 and 35 nmol/l, at the upper limit of the normal male range. All but one of these eleven women had normal LH & FSH which would be against but not exclude the likelihood of exogenous testosterone use, and it seems quite possible that one or more of them had the androgen insensitivity syndrome (AIS). The other women with intermediately raised testosterone levels may well have had the polycystic ovary syndrome or a more rare form of hyperandrogenism.”

Source:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/260522903_Endocrine_Profiles_in_693_Elite_Athletes_in_the_Post-Competition_Setting

Heimdekledi · 2021-08-10T07:36:43+00:00

Because the bigotry of some people is not a good enough reason to force people to disclose non-relevant facts about themselves without being prompted

Heimdekledi · 2021-08-10T07:34:22+00:00

I disagree with your transphobic definition of rape by deception.

Heimdekledi · 2021-08-10T07:32:28+00:00

My viewpoint is also subjective

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-21T19:28:49+00:00

No one can say without good data.

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-21T19:26:43+00:00

Two people so far, those making the accusations. That’s not a lot

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-21T19:26:13+00:00

Because theyre christian bigots who want to get on the news

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-21T19:25:40+00:00

It would definitely be real meat

https://sentientmedia.org/lab-grown-meat/

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-21T19:25:22+00:00

Nah natural is subjective. Are humans not a part of nature?

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-21T19:24:43+00:00

It would absolutely be real meat

https://sentientmedia.org/lab-grown-meat/

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-21T19:23:29+00:00

All I hear is a hypocrite with a double standard.

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-21T19:21:14+00:00

What are you “huh?”-ing about?

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-21T19:17:45+00:00

Okay be as incorrect as you want

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-21T19:16:58+00:00

Is artificial insemination “real” insemination? Obviously it is. Ergo artificial primarily means “made by humans” even if it has a secondary association of being “not real” in some instances.

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-21T19:14:31+00:00

I mean you’re the group that allies itself with the right in order to take peoples rights away and make them less safe. So I have the same opinion of GC

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-21T19:13:19+00:00

No all those other situations have it implicit not to do those things without permission. Although dropping acid is fine

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-21T19:10:56+00:00

One is imprinting like ducklings the other is a non-innate desire

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-21T19:09:41+00:00

Not really, people are saying it was a hoax because there appears to be no evidence to the contrary except for the words of some christian bigots.

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-21T19:08:24+00:00

I think how it seems to you says more about you then it does the situation

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-21T19:07:31+00:00

You don’t know that it doesn’t serve an evolutionary purpose. A sex trait group identity instinct could certainly be said to have a purpose in groups of bonobos or chimps what with those species forming sex trait groups to control the interactions of the larger groups that they’re a part of (matriarchal and patriarchal structures respectively).

I mean children are considered to rapidly absorb the information in their surrounding environment so that part isn’t controversial, as to why they haven’t proposed such an instinct before, perhaps they never thought about it.

People can’t instinctually tell, as this would be an instinct that begins to take affect (I think) as soon as infants and toddlers can tell their parents apart, which occurs before the ability of people to begin to analyze themselves by such standards.

Initially no, but even afterwards the group identity instinct may cause them to feel sameness with their identified group even after transphobic explanations to the contrary.

They do.

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-21T18:54:16+00:00

So then people who lack the capacity to produce gametes are sexless?

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-21T18:53:19+00:00

Its an opinion so correct and incorrect don’t enter into it

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-20T17:09:07+00:00

All categories are subjective contructs

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-20T16:52:45+00:00

Hard to separate that from the social component though

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-20T16:52:13+00:00

Also between being intersex, trans, and lgb* sexual orientations.

*there are more but the study(s) was frames in those terms I believe.

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-20T16:43:41+00:00

Seems like you’re presuming that survey results = actual number of lesbians in real life = “natural” biological rate of homosexuality among women, is that correct?

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-20T16:28:30+00:00

Autogynephilia is impossible in women, same as autoandrophilia is impossible in men.

Psssh the cis straights talk about “feeling like a woman” or “feeling like a man” in regards to sex all the time. Sounds like gender euphoria in a sexual context to me!

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-20T16:22:02+00:00

agree with that, many of these male transitioners are "transbians" as you say, way more than we would expect had they truly been "female"

I didn’t realize “females” were supposed to keep to some “natural” percentage of non-lesbians.

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-20T16:18:33+00:00

It’s not a desire to be something, its an instinctual identification with something and then a desire to be recognized as the something in a society that is obsessed with labeling people as somethings.

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-20T16:15:57+00:00

Instinctual identification with perceived sex trait groups and unconscious replication of norma and behaviors

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-20T16:12:28+00:00

You shouldn’t base your perceptions of GC as a group entirely off of Houseplant

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-20T16:08:26+00:00

Because Gender Identity is just something that causes you to absorb the behaviors and norms of a specific perceived sex trait group in an unconscious manner, usually starting from a very early age. It does not include preprogrammed behaviors (aside from absorbing what is happening around you).

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-20T16:02:57+00:00

They don’t need to cover their asses there would have been nothing wrong if a trans woman were using the area.

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-20T16:01:43+00:00

A meaning that has become associated with the word, but artificial’s primary meaning is made by humans. Things made by humans can be real members of a category of things that occur in nature. Artificial insemination is for instance is not fake insemination.

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-20T15:57:36+00:00

I did not say otherwise

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-20T15:57:12+00:00

You’ll ignore the cases that don’t fit your model?

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-20T15:56:26+00:00

You didn’t say natural meat you said “real” meat. Meat grown in a lab would still be real meat.

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-20T15:54:40+00:00

Lying would be deceitful

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-20T15:54:16+00:00

That doesn’t make it not a diamond

Also 20-30% less per karat is a price I’m seeing

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-20T15:50:32+00:00

You said it wouldn’t be real meat, but it would be considered meat.

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-20T15:49:20+00:00

No, the discussion was that if because a racist might exists who wouldn’t want to unknowingly sleep with people whom they would consider a part of a group that they hate, should people whom consider themselves black for reasons of ancestry be forced to disclose the identity before every sexual encounter?

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-16T21:34:34+00:00

So a person with the capacity to father children but with XX chromosomes and no SRY gene arent male? (Real medical situation that has occurred)

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-16T21:33:06+00:00

No meat grown in a lab would still be meat even of its artificially created. Artificial just means made by humans

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-16T21:31:42+00:00

Not really. An artificial diamond is still a diamond. Artificial just means produced by humans, it doesn’t mean it isn’t “real”.

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-16T21:28:06+00:00

I mean obviously

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-16T21:26:57+00:00

Nope thats their business. If you care about not dating married people then its on you to ask them if they’re married

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-16T21:25:41+00:00

I mean being jewish or being considered “black” for those whose appearances don’t match what is commonly conceived of as “black” appearances

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-16T21:24:17+00:00

Disgraceful

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-16T21:23:17+00:00

Not really. That’s primarily when the fighting started

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-09T17:21:31+00:00

Dana rivers was after GC and what are you referring to that happened in 1973

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-09T17:15:54+00:00

Yep, its a spectrum

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-09T17:14:34+00:00

It’s not a derogatory term though, and it never has been. It’s only ever been used by trans men to refer to their own bodies. The fact that you banned a term that isn’t even meant for you and is widey used by the trans masc community proves that there is no real intention towards making this place at all acceptable for QT posters. You reign over an echo chamber your highness

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-09T16:43:02+00:00

How about not banning a commonly used term for trans mens genitals on a whim your majesty?

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-09T13:58:09+00:00

Yeah because super straight does it in a transphobic way

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-09T13:57:08+00:00

What part of what I said in any way implies that you can’t turn down anal sex? Has a sea witch stolen both your voice and your ability to convey your feelings non-verbally?

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-09T13:54:06+00:00

Oh look more insults

You are not allowed to reference other commentors bodies specifically unless they bring it up first. Reported for insults and unprompted discussion of another commentors body.

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-09T13:52:09+00:00

I mean you’re question was worded offensively in the first place. Transgender people are not a separate category

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-09T13:51:03+00:00

You’re clearly wrong or perhaps just in possession of a tiny imagination as the people who use it for themselves don’t find it disrespectful. So no, it being derogatory is just your own silly opinion

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-09T13:48:36+00:00

What are you talking about? GC feminists in the 70’s were the ones who started this whole situation

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-09T05:56:35+00:00

It isn’t only QT and in most instances with QT it’s to avoid language that automatically implies a cisnormative worldview. It is also fine for people to refer to their genitals with any terms they like.

Don’t involve commentors bodies in your arguments unless they themselves bring it up first

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-09T05:51:44+00:00

I don’t have to be a trans man to use respectful language, and Bio never indicated that the rule did not apply to trans men.

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-09T05:50:13+00:00

The GC side has never treated the QT side with respect though.

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-09T05:48:49+00:00

I mean in such a scenario they would’ve failed as the situations described didn’t involve any wrongdoing, but I’m just saying what the article is saying, I wasn’t there or anything so I can’t confirm what actually happened obviously

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-09T05:46:05+00:00

To say that you prefer certain kinds of genitalia and that anyone cis or trans who lacks that genitalia you’re not interested in.

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-09T05:44:19+00:00

No they don’t have the right in the first place. People aren’t mindreaders

Heimdekledi · 2021-07-09T05:39:54+00:00

Look I’m fine if you want to use the term vagina. The term seems a bit like its defining one set of genitals by another set of genitals, which I find kinda problematic, but whatever its your choice.

I did not use it as a general term I used it in relation to trans guys.

How about you not fucking talk about other commentors bodies unless they themselves bring it up like the rules say, kay?

Heimdekledi