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[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (8 children)

Why on earth do we need to unlearn desire for privacy or modesty?

Moving away from a Hasidic man is not modesty. I’m not sure what you think modesty is now tbh

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (7 children)

If I was on a plane, and a Hasidic man sitting next to me is claiming it's immodest and against his religion to sit next to a woman and insists I switch seats, am I obligated to switch seats. Would I be wrong for refusing to switch seats? Would the airline be wrong for refusing to accommodate him?

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Are you really trying to compare religious requirements with shrugging off womens wants and needs as being overly modest?

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 3 fun1 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 3 fun -  (5 children)

You brought up modesty. I am saying "modesty" is subjective. Everyone wants privacy, men women and enbies alike. That is exactly why I propose enclosed stalls. As long as no one is peaking into your stall, you have all the privacy in the world you can ask for.

[–]BiologyIsReal 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

You'd have all the privacy in the world, as long no male has put a hidden camera to record you in order to getting off later and upload the videos to the many porn websites that exist.

[–]GenderbenderShe/her/hers 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (2 children)

Women can do that too.

[–]womanual 7 insightful - 3 fun7 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Find me one news report where a woman has places a hidden camera in the men's room. I can't find any.

[–]BiologyIsReal 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They can, but it's unlikely a hidden camera in a restrooms was placed by a woman. Sex offenses are overwheling done by males.

[–]HouseplantWomen who disagree with QT are a different sex[S] 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Modesty, as in the choice to not be exposed to males while in a state of undress.

behaviour, manner, or appearance intended to avoid impropriety or indecency. "modesty forbade her to undress in front of so many people"

The same modesty that leads some to not want to go to a nude beach, or wear crop tops, or fart at their friends house.

Do you propose people are obliged to change their sense of personal decency and comfort? Do you propose that their beliefs are wrong or offensive?

Stalls are a nice dream but not practical. Who’s going to pay for it? In the meantime women are being stripped of their rights.