Calls for trans elimination

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[–]BiologyIsReal 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

She is advocating for genocide, she is calling to reduce the number of people who transition.

If a resercher working in a cure for AIDS says in a interview she wants to reduce the number of cases, would it be reasonable to assume she is advocating for killing people with AIDS?

They didn't, not at scale. Some were lucky and some reluctantly lived with a hole in their lives they could never fill. I do not necessarily have their strength. Why should we return to that state though? We have access to hormone therapy now, we should not have to give that up.

Source?

Don't you think wanting to infiltrate organizations because you know will never get popular support, which is part of what Helen Joyce called for, sounds manipulative?

When has she said that? Infiltrating implies secrececy, which is more in like with what trans activists do.

Suicide is a cry for help, it's horrible to assume malice from someone who is suffering. It's us telling you "we need this and would rather not live without it" and you saying "well I don't care, you won't manipulate me into caring"

Ok, let's try the following example: a woman is tired of her abusive boyfriend and decides to leave. However upon learning this the boyfriend tells her that if she leaves he will kill himself. Does this sound to you like a cry for help or manipulation to you?

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AIDS is a condition that causes suffering, being trans is not...

Source?

Read accounts of trans women priests in antiquity, or various trans men who unequivocally described themselves as men or lived their entire lives in hiding. Hormone therapy and transition has been around for nearly a hundred years. It's possible that without it trans people would have learned to cope and been invisible, but you cannot put the genie back into the bottle. It's inhumane.

When has she said that?

If you watch the video, she says that they cannot rely on persuading everyone, they need to "get through to the decision makers", aka skipping popular support.

Does this sound to you like a cry for help or manipulation to you?

Obviously manipulating because he's abusing her??

Are you implying that all trans people, by our very existence, are abusing women?

[–]BiologyIsReal 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

AIDS is a condition that causes suffering, being trans is not...

This contradicts you following claim:

Read accounts of trans women priests in antiquity, or various trans men who unequivocally described themselves as men or lived their entire lives in hiding. Hormone therapy and transition has been around for nearly a hundred years. It's possible that without it trans people would have learned to cope and been invisible, but you cannot put the genie back into the bottle. It's inhumane.

Please provide links or be more specific.

If you watch the video, she says that they cannot rely on persuading everyone, they need to "get through to the decision makers", aka skipping popular support.

Ah, that part. And how is that any worse trans activists lobbyng lawmakers?

Obviously manipulating because he's abusing her??

Are you implying that all trans people, by our very existence, are abusing women?

What?! I said threathening suicide sounds manipulative. You're are the one interpreting it as all trans identified people are abusing women just by existing.

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Please provide links or be more specific.

You will just call it cherry-picking anyway. Just start here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_history

Most women in the UK support trans rights: https://www.them.us/story/a-majority-of-uk-cisgender-women-support-trans-rights-survey-reveals

What?! I said threathening suicide sounds manipulative

It depends on the context, trans people saying we can't live without transition is not a "threat", it wouldn't be manipulative if it were about a diabetic needing insulin or needing air or water, so it's not here either.