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[–]MarkTwainiac 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

She claims that one goal of the GC movement, or at least, one of her goals, is to "reduce the number of people who transition".

How is that the same as wanting to kill/exterminate/eliminate people like you?

There are many people who think society and individuals within society would be better off if "we" reduced the number of people who

  • smoke tobacco
  • are addicted to alcohol and drugs
  • get cancer
  • live in poverty
  • suffer sexual abuse and exploitation
  • die in mass shootings
  • contract HIV-AIDS
  • experience racism, homophobia and/or misogyny
  • have need of an abortion
  • commit crimes of violence
  • are abusive to others
  • start wars
  • cheat on their taxes
  • follow the Church of Scientology
  • force women and girls should to adhere to Islamic veiling customs
  • And so on.

Saying it would be good thing to reduce the numbers of people who suffer from painful conditions and experience trauma and distress, or who engage in a particular activity that has negative effects, is not the same as advocating the elimination and extermination of those people.

I would like to reduce the number of people who suffer from suicidal ideation and urges, and who die of suicide. That does not mean I want to kill everyone who is severely clinically depressed or see them killed. It means the opposite, in fact.

But speaking of elimination and extermination, on the other thread we conversed on recently you repeatedly said it's perfectly fine if the medical interventions done to give the impression of "gender transition" on children, adolescents and young adults with sex and gender distress result in them being sterile and thus unable to have their own children. You're the one advocating that trans-identified people be rendered unable to reproduce by subjecting them to de facto eugenics, not GC. If you had a broader understanding of history and were familiar with the mechanism by which many antibiotics and pesticides work, maybe you'd grasp what you're championing.

[–][deleted] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

How is that the same as wanting to kill/exterminate/eliminate people like you?

Fewer people transitioning = fewer people willing to live as cis with no recourse for their dysphoria = fewer trans people.

Saying it would be good thing to reduce the numbers of people who suffer from painful conditions and experience trauma and distress, or who engage in a particular activity that has negative effects, is not the same as advocating the elimination and extermination of those people.

Except transness is not a mental illness, it is a state of being. It's not negative. Dysphoria is negative, but transition helps alleviate it for many. Saying that you want to reduce the number of trans people is super paternalistic and presumes that you know better and should decide our healthcare.

You're the one advocating that trans-identified people be rendered unable to reproduce by subjecting them to de facto eugenics, not GC.

I sterilized myself because the idea of having biological children that way makes me want to vomit. Trans people living happy lives without having children is not elimination. It's not like our kids would be trans; the vast majority of trans people are born to cis parents. So whether we're sterile or not we're in no danger of dying out as a group.

[–]BiologyIsReal 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Except transness is not a mental illness, it is a state of being. It's not negative. Dysphoria is negative, but transition helps alleviate it for many. Saying that you want to reduce the number of trans people is super paternalistic and presumes that you know better and should decide our healthcare.

If it is not a mental illness, why do you claim trans identified people will kill themselves if they don't have access to exogenous hormones and cosmetics surgeries? You cannot have it both ways.

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Because without it many of us will have no recourse for dysphoria and will be unable to live as trans. Being trans is not an illness; dysphoria is the distress at not being able to live the way we deeply feel we should be.