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[–]mildsalsa 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

FYI Even trans people are divided on what to do about sports. Trans women who are on hormone therapy are going to lose to men, but they temporarily retain a advantage over cis women. It's a sucky situation for everyone.

I really don't know how to resolve this issue. An outright ban would be devastating to the many trans athletes who compete on a level playing field, but there's no clear criteria that determines when there is minimal to no advantage left for trans women.

Just my two cents

[–]penelopekitty 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

The advantage of male puberty, larger lungs and heart, more fast twitch muscle fibers, different skeletal structure and larger hands and feet never goes away. Sports are sex segregated. I don't care what your "gender" is. Also, calling women "cis" is highly offensive. Very few women identify with the stereotypes associated with their sex. We are women. Period.

[–]MarkTwainiac 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Just to clarify: the advantages that males have that matter in athletics don't just start with puberty in adolescence. In adolescent puberty, the advantages males have over females become enormous and glaringly obvious, impossible to overlook, but males have advantages that affect sports performance before then too.

Part of this is coz the puberty of adolescence is the second puberty that occurs in a child's life. In the first six months after birth, babies go through a four-five month period (usually from the end of the first month post birth until or into the six month) known as the mini-puberty of infancy. During this time, male babies have testosterone levels at the same levels they will have in the puberty of adolescence. Which is one of the reasons male babies grow faster and are larger and heavier than female babies - a fact long tacitly confirmed by the use of two different charts to gauge babies' physical growth, weight and height, one for males and another for females.

Male children have larger hearts and lungs, higher hemoglobin, better blood oxygenation (and other features) from infancy - not just from the puberty of adolescence. Which is probably amongst the reasons why cystic fibrosis, a genetic disease that occurs equally frequently in both sexes, has a different trajectory depending on a patient's sex: while no one with CF can be said to have good health or a long lifespan compared to people without CF, compared to females with the disease born the same year and with access to the same treatment, males with CF generally are less sickly and live longer.

Also, scientists researching embryos and embryonic stem cells have recently reported that sex differences are evident in the cells of human zygotes at 6-7 days after fertilization; and sex differences can be seen in human embryos prior to the development of male or female gonads (usually in the 7th week) and thus prior to when embryos begin making sex hormones. Many sex differences that long have been assumed to be the product of sex hormones are turning out to predate them and to be independent of them.

Little League - which starts as early as age four - is a good indication of the athletic advantages male children have prior to puberty. LL has been co-ed since 1974. Yet it remains very male-dominated. 7 out of every 8 kids in LL are male. The vast majority of boys in LL play baseball, whereas most girls play softball. Moreover, starting at age four through the late teens, males in LL now have their own male-only softball division. Coz of sex differences that affect performance.

Since LL became co-ed nearly 50 years ago, more than 11,000 boys have made it to the LL Baseball World Series, and only 19 girls.

[–]WrongToy[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Yeah, the TIM was saying if everyone just got puberty blockers, problem solved because none of that matters before puberty.

He also thinks puberty blockers are benign.

[–]BEB 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All they have to do is type in "puberty blockers" and "side effects."

Lupron, a puberty blocker used in the US, was developed as an advanced prostate cancer drug and is used to castrate sex offenders. "Harmless," indeed!