IOC must act to protect women’s sport, says presidential candidate Sebastian Coe by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

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Coe is the way to go!

Welcome ovarit readers! by WrongToy in GenderCritical

[–]ginger 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I finally just joined here from ovarit. Hi everyone.

I’m curious to find out how this website differs in vibe from ovarit.

Rogan, Musk and an emboldened manosphere salute Trump’s win: ‘Let that sink in’ by TurtleRat in GenderCritical

[–]Doberlady 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Men have always been trash and are always happy to demonstrate that.

It's the women who failed to vote for Kamala or didn't vote at all that I have questions about.

On Transgender Issues, Voters Want Common Sense by worried19 in GenderCritical

[–]Doberlady 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's behind a paywall. Anyone want to copy it or give us a TLDR?

After Trump’s win, some women are considering the 4B movement | CNN by Feminist_Username in GenderCritical

[–]Doberlady 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I read what the 4Bs were and realized that I've been doing 4B for my whole life by accident! 😆

Some in trans community are concerned for the future with 2nd Trump presidency by WrongToy in GenderCritical

[–]Doberlady 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Gay men are targetted by physically violent homophobes and those exact same types of people are going to by physically violent to men who dress up in women's clothes and wear make-up etc.

You're right.

Database of men taking women's sports awards by xoenix in GenderCritical

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Excellent work to whoever made this.

Database of men taking women's sports awards by xoenix in GenderCritical

[–]ChaikiKarabli 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Excellent resource!

Dems torn over transgender issue: Centrists worry that party is ‘reading the public wrong’ by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]ChaikiKarabli 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Agreed. I'd been on r/gendercritical since almost its inception (lurked from day one) and been involved in radfem communities since 15-20 years ago even though at the time I was only about 70% on the same page. Now I am about 95% on the same page and yet a bulk of vocal posters there would consider me rightwing even though I support socialized healthcare amongst other essential services, am an atheist sex-nonconforming disabled lesbian against porn and prostitution and prescriptive sex roles generally, am ardently pro-choice (although since I do think is reasonable to restrict 3rd trimester abortions without medical reasons, because as rare as that is, law should account for edge cases and people saying "it literally NEVER happens but it's also evil to ban it" sound like TRAs even though female sociopathy is far less common of course than male perversion).

But I dare say I don't know which would be the lesser evil in the long run or that people voting for Trump were not all motivated by misogyny, racism, and stupidity (even though these certainly played a part), but while I didn't vote him in, my life was better under Trump for the gender reason alone and likely will be again, so I can see how others who are similarly positioned would be motivated by that, and that is enough to brand me as surely a Trump supporter.

Which is fine, I don't care that some misunderstand where I'm coming from. I don't understand why anyone cares whether they are considered a true feminist, a true lefty, a real man, a real Star Trek fan, whatever. None of that is important to my self- concept, only that I continually reevaluate my ethical stances for internal logical consistency and external correspondence with objective reality, and how my actions stack up against those.

So I don't understand self-censoring for the sake of avoiding arguments (as opposed to needing to put food on the table or stay out of jail) but of course we came from communities where this was the norm, only I've been out of that since about two weeks after getting in an echo chamber 20 years ago, refused to edit my thoughts about the gender delusion. I can't fathom why some say they would prefer an echo chamber as if it is truly inevitable, which is such an anti- intellectual stance, particularly when saying it's difficult to stomach seeing an article criticizing where the Dems went wrong. Isn't that essentially the purpose of our gendercritical fora, just more general to the parties of other countries that support this quasireligion?

How can we reform the leftwing parties if we don't hold their feet to the fire? One reason I said Trump winning might be the lesser evil is that I thought it might be the only thing that would push the party leadership to begin to distance themselves from this weight around the neck and work for the people again. The longer they don't reform on gender crap, the longer we are without a viable left. If I really wanted a rightwing government, I would encourage the Dems to stay the course. Why do you think the Republicans waited so long to use this in presidential attack ads when there was so much crazy out there already, including the photo of Ludwig towering over the women's basketball team? Think Trump's advisors just learned about how deep the rabbit hole goes? Think again. It's been clear since their odd silence of 2020 that they were sitting on this, letting it truly blow up so they could nuke the Dems in 2024. I also feared that others would be correct in the prediction that a Trump win would result in the Democrats further digging in heels.

I don't care what others would label me as. I would be happy to engage them in discussion and learn more of their perspectives to see other sides, but this is most productive when they are also open to seeing my perspectives in three dimensions, not just as radfem-or-not, left-or-not, etc.

Database of men taking women's sports awards by xoenix in GenderCritical

[–]xoenix[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Results -> Choose sport gives you filtered/sortable lists.

Welcome ovarit readers! by WrongToy in GenderCritical

[–]soundsituationmeow 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This may not be much to go on, but, judging by some of her recent comments she seems pretty stable and balanced. I wonder if she is just one of those people who feels the need to control others but isn't an ideologue; strange combination if so.

Yes or No: LGBTQ groups should focus more on helping young LGBTQ youth with getting cars, stable housing, education, and less on emotional support, building "community" by whateverneverpine in GenderCritical

[–]censorshipment 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

What I don't like about this idea is the youth in need may be made to feel like they owe whoever helps them out. Something like this (a charity organization?) may be an unfortunate gateway to sex trafficking...

Yes or No: LGBTQ groups should focus more on helping young LGBTQ youth with getting cars, stable housing, education, and less on emotional support, building "community" by whateverneverpine in GenderCritical

[–]MarkTwainiac 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

In major "LGBTQ"-friendly cities in the USA such as NYC and San Francisco, organizations like Covenant House, Ali Forney Center, Hetrick Martin Institute and Larkin Street Youth have been offering housing and all sorts of practical help to LGBT youth who end up homeless and in need for decades.

Covenant House has been doing this since the early 1970s, Hetrick Martin since the dawn of the 80s, Larkin Street since 1984, Forney since 2002.

https://www.covenanthouse.org

https://www.aliforneycenter.org

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Forney_Center

https://hmi.org

https://larkinstreetyouth.org

IGN getting roasted on Instagram for posting about J.K. Rowling's anti-transgender rhetoric by xoenix in GenderCritical

[–]xoenix[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Screenshot with the first few comments.

Yes or No: LGBTQ groups should focus more on helping young LGBTQ youth with getting cars, stable housing, education, and less on emotional support, building "community" by whateverneverpine in GenderCritical

[–]whateverneverpine[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I know of a couple young same-sex attracted youth who got kicked out and/or fracture with family, and it has made life extra difficult for them. I guess I'm wondering why/angry that LGB didn't pivot towards really providing targeted support to those LGB young people who still ARE being kicked out. I don't really have the numbers, but there are plenty of religious fundamentalists, in the US at least, and that seems to be a factor in young people out there on their own, in this horrendous (my opinion) economy, if you're just starting out.

Volleyball players sue Mountain West over transgender controversy by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]whateverneverpine 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I love this lawsuit. It has breadth, depth, and most if not all of the transgender issues are being touched upon. Plenty for a judge to rule on.

Dems torn over transgender issue: Centrists worry that party is ‘reading the public wrong’ by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]Gritobo 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yup. In that case, even, the issue is the doping, not the gender identity, which is all that trans is.

On Transgender Issues, Voters Want Common Sense by worried19 in GenderCritical

[–]worried19[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Here's an archive link for anyone hitting the paywall: https://archive.ph/0tFdz

Glad to see something like this in the New York Times, although of course it's by Pamela Paul, who I think is their lone gender critical journalist. Lots of excellent points made.

Dems torn over transgender issue: Centrists worry that party is ‘reading the public wrong’ by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]worried19 3 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks, I've been good. Looks like Ovarit is back now, so I'm sure this place will get quiet again. I'm glad for Ovarit, but I do worry sometimes because it's such an echo chamber. I miss talking to the other side. And yeah, I can understand why you'd be reluctant to comment much there.

Yes or No: LGBTQ groups should focus more on helping young LGBTQ youth with getting cars, stable housing, education, and less on emotional support, building "community" by whateverneverpine in GenderCritical

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think it's always great for different demographic groups with special interests and those who support them to form new organizations to meet specific needs of the group as those needs arise and/or become apparent. That's how/why people decided to start organizations like Gay Liberation Front, GLAAD, Gay Men's Health Crisis, ACT UP, PFLAG, the National Center for Lesbian Rights, National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, National Lesbian and Gay Journalists Association, Athlete Ally, the Hetrick-Martin Institute, Trevor Project, Stonewall, Mermaids, Trangender Law Center, Harry Benjamin Society-WPATH in the first place - and it's why in recent years other people have decided to start newer organizations like LGB Alliance, LGBTQ Courage Coalition, Gays Against Groomers.

But as a general rule, I am always very leery when any organization set up for one reason/set of reasons decides to stray from its original mission and begins offering services and getting into areas that are a far cry from the organization's original remit and no one at the organization is qualified to get involved in.

I think one of the many reasons that today's so-called "LGBTQ youth" have unprecedented levels of poor mental health is because organizations that began as political campaigning/advocacy groups aimed at securing and protecting gay rights - like Stonewall in the UK and GLAAD and Trevor Project in the USA - decided to to branch out and present themselves to the world as experts in areas they are supremely unqualified to have a say in - education policy including pedagogical approaches and the content of what's taught in schools; early child and adolescent development; best childrearing practices; anti-bullying; suicide prevention; etiquette, especially around personal pronouns and the language used to describe people; sports eligibility policies; methods of promoting "diversity and inclusion" in schools and workplaces; the kind of books/literature, toys, games, films and entertainment fare and media that's appropriate for children and is in children's best interests; the design, allocation and management of facilities in schools, workplaces and other settings outside the home that traditionally have been sex-segregated like restrooms, locker rooms, fitting rooms, shelters, refuges, prisons, barracks.

Yes or No: LGBTQ groups should focus more on helping young LGBTQ youth with getting cars, stable housing, education, and less on emotional support, building "community" by whateverneverpine in GenderCritical

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

ETA: Right off the top of my head, I can think of a number of "LGBTQ" adults in North America and the UK who've been in the news in recent years who've remained living with their mothers/parents into adulthood, or have returned to live with their mother/parent in adulthood when their adult lives didn't turn out as well as they hoped, or when they found themselves in need of parental help - Jonathan Yaniv, Danielle Muscato, Audrey Hale, Ragehell McKinnon/Veronica Ivy, Chris Chan, Freddie Gray.

I get the impression that many of the youth and adult "LGBTQ" influencers I've come across online are still living with their mother/parents.

Yes or No: LGBTQ groups should focus more on helping young LGBTQ youth with getting cars, stable housing, education, and less on emotional support, building "community" by whateverneverpine in GenderCritical

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

lots of our youth get kicked out of the house

OP, can you share exactly where you find this to to be the case today? You don't say what continent, country, region, local area you're speaking of where it's customary in 2024 for "lots of our youth" to "get kicked out of the house" for being "LGB" and/or "TQ" (or for claiming to be).

I'm not doubting that there are youth today who get kicked out of their homes for being, or claiming to be, same-sex attracted or "TQ." It's just that it's much more likely to happens in some parts of the world and certain regions of individual countries than others.

In the part of the USA where I live, I do not believe it's a common occurrence for parents/guardians to kick their minor-age or young adult offspring out of their homes for being same-sex attracted or "TQ."

In fact, in many parts of the Western world today, a significant chunk of youth and full-grown adults of all sexual orientations are living with their childhood families/in their childhood homes and remaining materially, financially and emotionally dependent on their parents/guardians much longer than was typical 40, 50, 60 years ago. In many places, it's extremely common today for parents, grandparents, guardians to have their children still living at home with them when the children are in their 20s, 30s and beyond due to factors like the high cost of living/housing; scarcity of housing and especially certain kinds of housing; MH and PH problems; addiction; the breakdown of the adult children's relationships/marriages; and "failure to launch" syndrome. This is true regardless of the younger family members' sexual orientation and/or "gender identity."

or have no contact with their homophobic/unaccepting families

I think it's a big mistake to assume or allege that that when youth who are, or who claim to be, "LGB" and/or "TQ" have no contact with their families nowadays, it's because their families are "homophobic/unaccepting." Plenty of young people who are, or claim to be, "LGBTQ" today have decided of their own volition to go "no contact" with their parents, guardians, siblings because of disagreements about politics and personal choices and behaviors. Their estrangement from their families, or certain members of their families, is not necessarily because the family members were/are "homophobic/unaccepting" of them for being, or claiming to be, LGB or "TQ."

Gender-critical activist Maya Forstater faced 'Kafkaesque' hate crime investigation by xoenix in GenderCritical

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Yes or No: LGBTQ groups should focus more on helping young LGBTQ youth with getting cars, stable housing, education, and less on emotional support, building "community" by whateverneverpine in GenderCritical

[–]xoenix 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Remember that this narrative is fueled by the fact that a lot of so-called "LGBTQ+ youth" were abused before they fell into the Q. This is a pipeline for them.

Yes or No: LGBTQ groups should focus more on helping young LGBTQ youth with getting cars, stable housing, education, and less on emotional support, building "community" by whateverneverpine in GenderCritical

[–]Pennygadget 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think both are important. Ironically, part of the reason LGB groups like GLAAD pivoted towards simping for the trans cult was because people in this country became more accepting of gay and lesbian relationships. Most young people who come out as gay/lesbian nowadays don't get tossed into the streets by their families. And the gay marriage fight was won. So the LGB advocacy groups pivoted towards "trans rights" to raise money.

Right now, the focus should be on divorcing the LGB from the TQ. Because gays and lesbians don't deserve to get caught in the trans backlash

The Atlantic: The Democrats Need an Honest Conversation on Gender Identity by LoveScience in GenderCritical

[–]ChaikiKarabli 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's not a farfetched conspiracy to think that those who seek the highest power positions in society are prone to wanting to control the population to greatest extent possible. This tendency is the whole reason for our system of checks and balances.

Even that system has vulnerability to corruption and possibility of failure. I think gender is a test run in learning how to exploit media to manipulate people into believing absurdities and siloing people into divided groups that will hesitate to unite against authoritarian control. They exploited an existing neurosis (largely fueled by black and white thinking of "either sex is always relevant (conservative) or sex is never relevant (liberal)" and "if women can marry each other, or men can marry each other, then anything goes" - homophobic thought shared by conservative and liberal, only the former opposes all while the latter supports all) society is having in response to women and gays gaining rights.

You have to build on existing thread of insanity for most successful propaganda. This one has been spun for already about a century before the think tanks and activists leapt on it to weave a tapestry of their own authoritarian design.

The Atlantic: The Democrats Need an Honest Conversation on Gender Identity by LoveScience in GenderCritical

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"Nothing is ever our fault," they sound narcissistic as Trump. Even Trump admits to some mistakes he made in his presidency, whereas Harris's campaign was "flawless," apparently.

Two House Democrats change their tune on transgender athletes days after Trump win by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

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Yes, given how they indoctrinated a decent fraction of their ardent supporters and already alienated many of their former ardent supporters such as myself, they are still beholden to the true believers, who will oppose any righting of the ship with all their might. The alienated will not be eager to rush back in for another beating until enough has come to light to reduce the number of fervent believers to a subcritical mass to where we would be confident enough that we would survive the beating rather than face yet another virtual exile.

Now that Trump won, some targeted advice by WrongToy in GenderCritical

[–]emptiedriver 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If Harris had won there wouldn't have been any difference. She could not have changed the law. The congress would not have passed a federal legislation even if it had a majority, which it doesn't anyway. They had a majority under Obama and never did it, and it could always get overturned under the next congress, so what's the point really? It's no longer a federal issue.

Fight for the right within a state, the way individual european nations decide abortion laws as healthcare issues rather than making it something necessary in order to join the EU.

Two House Democrats change their tune on transgender athletes days after Trump win by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]emptiedriver 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I was hopeful for a moment that a conversation would begin, but things are so compartmentalized... I got hopeful reading my Twitter/X feed, then looked on FB and despaired. All my liberal friends were clearly disgusted by any democrats who were even suggesting that perhaps positions on identity issues were worth discussing... it was "support trans youth" all the way, and plenty of people promising to block anyone who had so much as an iota of 'let's talk about it' to share.

I was brave enough on the first day to post that Bernie Sanders announcement that maybe the Democratic party had lost focus, but most of my friends were upset at any Dems who were "monday morning quarterbacking" and especially any who were considering rethinking identity politics. They get kicked out, not welcomed into to a discussion. So I've totally lost hope now. I stupidly responded to an email from my family about the election when I was still hopeful that there would be an openness to rethinking things and they haven't written back yet, but I'm pretty sure they're going to be horrified at what I said. For a few days I was thinking there would be room to reshuffle and get new discourse on the table... but it isn't looking that way anymore.

Dems torn over transgender issue: Centrists worry that party is ‘reading the public wrong’ by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

TRA activists will double down and be even louder than before. If nobody in the democratic party objects to that farce, it's OVER for GC @ dems.

If nobody in the Democratic Party objects to that farce, then I'd say it's OVER for the Democrats as a viable party that can gain enough support from the American voting populace to win national elections.

I'm not operating under the illusion that it's necessary for the Democratic Party to become "GC" for TRAs and the cuckoo queer theory cause they're pushing to end in failure. I think gender identity ideology as a widely-held belief system and "transgenderism" as a popular pasttime are both doomed to decline preciptiously in fashion no matter what.

If it's true that "TRA activists will double down and be even louder than before" the way you're predicting, they won't be doing themselves and their cause any favors. Through Operation Let Them Speak, the TRAs just end up peaking more and more and more of the ordinary masses.

If the Democratic Party goes down with the sinking ship, the blame will belong to the people running the party. It won't be the fault of "GC" people for failing to seize "the HUGE opportunity" you insist now exists for us "to make the democratic party change their platform on this topic."

IOC must act to protect women’s sport, says presidential candidate Sebastian Coe by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]LoveScience 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

I'd put a Sebastian Coe yard sign out but I don't think anyone voting for the IOC president would drive by to see it.

Dems torn over transgender issue: Centrists worry that party is ‘reading the public wrong’ by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]LoveScience 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well - nobody cares if a TIF who has never taken testosterone plays in women's (or men's) sports but if they're taking testosterone then they're doping, which isn't fair either. But you're right that it's really not our biggest concern right now so I probably don't need to distract us from that!

Dems torn over transgender issue: Centrists worry that party is ‘reading the public wrong’ by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]LoveScience 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The Dems know they've erred and they know what they need to do to fix it. The problem is they're going to need to hurt the feelings of some of the loudest and most obnoxious personalities in their party.

My hope is that the new administration forces that slimy researcher, who is hiding her research, to share her raw data with the scientific community. Then someone can do a proper analysis and it can be reviewed and published. The Democratic Party will then have an excuse to change their stance on at least the more extreme elements of the trans cult.

I don't want Trump's administration to do their own "Cass Report" where they task someone with putting together a review. The TRAs (and much of the left) will immediately write it off as biased - even if they get someone like Marci Bowers to do it and a thousand other academics review and approve the results.

I wouldn't be surprised if there are more researchers sitting on data because they're afraid to publish.

Dems torn over transgender issue: Centrists worry that party is ‘reading the public wrong’ by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]sail 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If you're referring to the "free Palestine" lot, aren't they typically force teamed with tRaNs GeNoCidE? Are there voices critical of Israel who are speaking out against Big Trans?

Edit to clarify: I'm specifically wondering if anyone has seen a progressive with a large platform, or a significant amount of progressive individuals who are both GC/normie and against the invasion of Gaza, to the extent that one can infer both factors influenced their protest vote/couch vote. The exit polls suggest that both issues are very low on the list of priorities, but I'll admit I'm not sure how much to go by those polls. I don't want to veer too far off the topic of the post, which is about trans positions of dems, and maybe by extension, other controversial social issues.

Dems torn over transgender issue: Centrists worry that party is ‘reading the public wrong’ by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

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Hey Worried! It’s great to see you too! :)

Yes, I miss it too. It’s so sad we couldn’t get more QT people to come there... I still lurk on Ovarit and see your comments sometimes, but I don’t really comment much because it probably isn’t appropriate. Hope you are doing well! <3

Dems torn over transgender issue: Centrists worry that party is ‘reading the public wrong’ by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]Gritobo 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

We knew what the narrative would be when they lost the election, that it's white women's fault.

This is the one time when they know what woman means.

Dems torn over transgender issue: Centrists worry that party is ‘reading the public wrong’ by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

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Rep. Seth Moulton (D-Mass.), who sparked a firestorm of criticism recently when he said transgender girl boy athletes have no place in women’s sports, insisted Democrats need to allow an open debate about how to defend against attacks from Republicans on transgender rights.

Corrected because nobody's complaining about they/them women/girls playing in female leagues.

There’s already been intra-party backlash for Democrats who oppose transgender women men playing in women’s sports.

Again, this article uses unclear language.

If gender identity and sex are different, then how come it's so wrong to have single-sex leagues for sports?

Dems torn over transgender issue: Centrists worry that party is ‘reading the public wrong’ by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]worried19 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Peaking! It's good to see you. I miss our debate sub. It's still there, but there hasn't been any activity in a long time.

Dems torn over transgender issue: Centrists worry that party is ‘reading the public wrong’ by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]CeruleanCarbon[S] 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

the Democrats fucked up so bad that Donald Trump seemed like a desirable candidate

This is the election in a nutshell.

Dems torn over transgender issue: Centrists worry that party is ‘reading the public wrong’ by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]Pennygadget 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Not necessarily. A few democrats in office have trans kids they parade around for clout. And one female senator (Karen Berg) continues to play handmaiden for trans ideology even after it lead to her TIF daughter's suicide

Dems torn over transgender issue: Centrists worry that party is ‘reading the public wrong’ by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]Pennygadget 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This. Female voters have been talking about this for years. But Democrats just dismiss us as conservative bigots who want trans people to die. Or, like you said, they write us off as morons who are just too stupid to understand the complexity of gender.

They refuse to listen to women on this subject. The republicans swoop in to acknowledge our concerns. And then they're surprised when a large swath of liberal/democrat women hold their nose and vote for Trump

Dems torn over transgender issue: Centrists worry that party is ‘reading the public wrong’ by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]Pennygadget 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That comment by Gaines was one of the most epic burns I've ever witnessed. Summer Lee is such a disgrace. Selling out her fellow women for head pats from perverted White men in drag

Dems torn over transgender issue: Centrists worry that party is ‘reading the public wrong’ by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]Pennygadget 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

We all knew the left would screech about the evil White Karens ruining democracy instead of admitting that the Democrats fucked up so bad that Donald Trump seemed like a desirable candidate

Dems torn over transgender issue: Centrists worry that party is ‘reading the public wrong’ by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]peakingatthemoment 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I’m so happy to see Democrats are looking at this!!! Their views on child transition, sports, and prisons have been terrible for years, but they’ve just been too captured. Plus, our system is so binary and I feel like when Republicans do something many Democrats want to go extreme in the other direction. I feel like if I starts to change there will be a lot of pushback from the TRAs, but I hope the opposition stays strong. Most regular people don’t want these things and so many people who support it don’t understand what it actually is. I’m glad Kamala didn’t really talk about it in her campaign, but the party can do a lot better and stop the harm.

IOC must act to protect women’s sport, says presidential candidate Sebastian Coe by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]WrongToy 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Good for this guy. When it comes to female sport, any Y chromosome confers advantage as we’ve seen since the 1990s. They may be social women all they want, but sports competition was designed for xy and xx.

Dems torn over transgender issue: Centrists worry that party is ‘reading the public wrong’ by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]MarkTwainiac 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Rep Summer Lee became nationally infamous when Riley Gaines called Lee "misogynist" to her face in a Congressional hearing held last year about the Biden admin's changes to Title IX and the Democrats support of males muscling in on female school sports. Lee started off her remarks in the hearing by making a grandstanding, virtue-signalling, self-halo-polishing pronouncement in which she declared from on high that having, supporting and defending female-only sports is "transphobic bigotry" - then she backed up her view by reading self-serving statements by several supremely misogynistic total asshole males who've used their claims of having a trans gender identity to compete and clean up in female sports, starting with Craig CeCe Telfer.

When Gaines finished reading her prepared testimony, she said:

Ranking member Lee, if my testimony makes me transphobic, then I believe your opening monologue makes you a misogynist.

Lee tried to have what Gaines said struck from the record, but failed.

ttps://youtu.be/F4equwQA5n0?si=EZjLcdpQO0wmD73X

Dems torn over transgender issue: Centrists worry that party is ‘reading the public wrong’ by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]MarkTwainiac 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You have a HUGE opportunity right now to make the democratic party change their platform on the topic.

It's up to the Dems to change their views and platform on the topic of trans. Nobody else can make them.

The Dems have been having GC views about trans politely and painstakingly explained to them for years. In response, the Dems have consistently decided to tune us out and call us hateful bigots - and/or to tell us we are uninformed nitwits who need to "do better" and educate ourselves.

Dems torn over transgender issue: Centrists worry that party is ‘reading the public wrong’ by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]WrongToy 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

People have had it with trans braying about “trans genocide” when there’s an actual live-streamed genocide going on. They’re fed up with trans saying they’ll kill themselves after they get the manager involved over how a customer or staff disregarded their pronouns

Democrats for an Informed Approach to Gender by worried19 in GenderCritical

[–]MissJaneLane 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I love Partners For Ethical Care!!

Dems torn over transgender issue: Centrists worry that party is ‘reading the public wrong’ by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]worried19 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Or when her daughter comes home saying that she and her friends are now boys. Which is scariest of all.

I'm despairing at a lot of these Democratic reactions. The left-wing of the party doesn't care that average moms and dads don't want this stuff in schools or sports. That no sane person wants middle school kids being given hormones or having their body parts removed.

Welcome ovarit readers! by WrongToy in GenderCritical

[–]overthetop 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Ha! I was removed because I was having my posts removed for frivolous reasons, like being in the "wrong" category. Strangely, they all were related to RFK or Elon.

Democrats for an Informed Approach to Gender by worried19 in GenderCritical

[–]worried19[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thanks. Yeah, I noticed they seem to focus on child medicalization, even though they do say they have a broader focus on gender ideology as a whole. I'm still registered Democrat, but I'm not really a political person, so I'm not sure that I'd join. I hope they become more well known, but that's going to entail having people willing to use their real names and appear on CNN or Fox or other networks as themselves.

Elon Musk's Transgender Daughter Says She Will Leave the U.S. After Donald Trump's Win—Amid Dad's Plans for $35 Million Family 'Compound' by WrongToy in GenderCritical

[–]Achoo 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I am betting he has funds for this as a part of Elon's divorce settlement with Justine. Almost certainly his kids with Justine are better protected than those with Grimes or Zillis. Melinda Gates protected her kids during her divorce and so did Mackenzie Scott during her divorce from Bezos. I remember Bill Gates saying his children would only inherit $1M each many years ago, but I am pretty sure Melinda secured large trusts for them in the end.

Elon Musk's Transgender Daughter Says She Will Leave the U.S. After Donald Trump's Win—Amid Dad's Plans for $35 Million Family 'Compound' by WrongToy in GenderCritical

[–]Achoo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

His dad is South African and I believe his mom is Canadian, so perhaps he has a right of return to the UK or the Netherlands. But also you can immigrate pretty much anywhere if you meet property requirements. Countries are happy to take rich immigrants.

Democrats for an Informed Approach to Gender by worried19 in GenderCritical

[–]MarkTwainiac 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The name of the the org - "Democrats for an Informed Approach to Gender" - made me initially think and hope that it's "gender critical" in a broad sense, meaning it would be challenging the Democratic Party on the lunancy and harms of its misnomered Equality Act and Biden's misogynistic overhaul of Title IX, as well as opposing Democratic Party-backed policies and practices that promote the teaching of gender identity ideology in US publicly-funded schools; allow males to "identify into" female sports and spaces; permit people born in the US to change the sex markers on their official ID documents including their birth certificates in many jurisdictions; and insure that anyone who tries to discuss and debate these topics in earshot or sight of anyone representing the Democratic Party establishement will immediately be silenced, shamed and branded a hateful bigot, transphobe, homophobe, right-winger, Republican, Trumper, Nazi, uninformed idiot and horrible meanie who's intent on picking on and persecuting people who not only are a "a tiny minority," but a tiny minority who supposedly are "the most marginalized" and "most vulnerable" people in US society and on planet earth.

But the material on the DIAG website shows its focus is much more narrow than that, namely 1) "exposing the failures of gender medicine" and 2) supporting "a safer, saner, evidence-based response to gender distress."

The headings and straplines on the website:

DIAG: DEMOCRATS FOR AN INFORMED APPROACH TO GENDER

SHIFTING THE NARRATIVE

Exposing the failure of gender medicine

The org's Mission statement and Goals:

MISSION STATEMENT For too long, the harms of the gender-transition industry have been hidden behind rhetoric. DIAG is an organization of lifelong democratic voters working to depoliticize and shed light on this ideologically-driven medical scandal. ​ We’re building a movement to shift the prevailing narrative around these experimental, dangerous medical practices that comprise “gender-affirming care” (sex-trait modification) and clear the path for a safer, saner, evidence-based response to gender distress.

GOALS

Create a large coalition of Democrats (and those who have recently unaffiliated), who are deeply concerned about our Democratic representatives’ willful ignorance and silence in the face of the destructive effects of sex-trait modification (STM) — euphemistically known as “gender-affirming care” — and the large-scale promotion of gender-identity ideology.

Demonstrate that there is a growing movement of Democrats who are critical of gender-identity ideology and STM, and that these criticisms are based on child safeguarding and science, not bigotry and ignorance.

Increase our Democratic representatives‘ and candidates’ understanding of STM to shift their support away from experimental medical intervention and the “affirmation” model toward exploratory therapy.

Develop a public health campaign to reach target audiences, providing evidence-based information about “gender-affirming care.”

From this information, DIAG is not an org that I'd get involved with personally. I think there are other already-established orgs such as SEGM, Partners for Ethical Care and GenSpect that have been around for longer which effectively make the case against "gender medicine" - and those orgs have the benefit of being politically non-partisan. Moreover, since DIAG is explicitly for "Democrats and those who have recently unaffiliated," I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have me even if I wanted to join, as I broke with the Democratic Party and registered as an Independent far too long ago to meet their criteria.

But that's just my take.

Dems torn over transgender issue: Centrists worry that party is ‘reading the public wrong’ by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]googlyeyes6 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

For most of them, trans is a thing for OTHER families. It’s fine for other weird kids to turn out like Jazz. The thought of their own kid being transed terrifies them, and it should if they care for them at all

Dems torn over transgender issue: Centrists worry that party is ‘reading the public wrong’ by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]Iceni 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

“There is no poll result that could make me turn on marginalized people,” said progressive Rep. Summer Lee (D-Pa.).

There is no poll result that could make me turn on MEN is what this person means. Women aren't people and have never been marginalized.

That and I am fed up to the back teeth of haughty dems telling me I am a bigot. We knew what the narrative would be when they lost the election, that it's white women's fault. Yet they refuse to listen to actual women on this subject. They carry on believing that they are the party for women when they're not. Then they tell women they are bigots or white and so turn away potential voters.

Many times the first any average woman knows about trans ideology is when she is met with dick in the swimming pool locker room or when her daughter comes home saying a boy is now on her sports team.

Two House Democrats change their tune on transgender athletes days after Trump win by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]soundsituationmeow 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This is what I was so afraid of and I think Trump Part 2 will only see TIMs turned into saints by the Left.

We're already there. We've been there awhile.

The Atlantic: The Democrats Need an Honest Conversation on Gender Identity by LoveScience in GenderCritical

[–]Pennygadget 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've lurked into some old libfem haunts since the election. And they absolutely refuse to admit that the democrats have any responsibility for how this turned out. They just wail about racism, sexist Black/Latino men, and how they're so scared that their queer & trans friends are gonna get genocided.

The far leftists live in an entirely different reality than the rest of us

Girl gets harassed by creepy man at McDonald's; woman gives gray advice. by Gritobo in GenderCritical

[–]Achoo 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah she needs to leave that job, that would be the best move. My sister tolerated the same bullshit at her teen job and that was ultimately what stopped it.

The Atlantic: The Democrats Need an Honest Conversation on Gender Identity by LoveScience in GenderCritical

[–]Pennygadget 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

If we women threatened suicide over hurt feelings, the misogynists would just laugh and tell us to go for it. Only the gender-specials get coddled for obvious suicide baiting

After Trump’s win, some women are considering the 4B movement | CNN by Feminist_Username in GenderCritical

[–]Feminist_Username[S] 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

No no please go your own way that would be great

Democrats for an Informed Approach to Gender by worried19 in GenderCritical

[–]worried19[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Does anyone know much about this organization? I saw them linked on Ovarit, but they haven't had much media presence. I thought maybe they would be interviewed after the election, make themselves more known, but it doesn't seem like it. I think the organization is a great idea, but it's dispiriting that all the major players seem to be using pseudonyms. Has anyone joined? It seems to me like they need a louder presence if they are going to accomplish anything.

Two House Democrats change their tune on transgender athletes days after Trump win by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]Venefica 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's been so refreshing to see this. Unfortunately, I think this discussion is already being stamped out. Everyone in my Bluesky feed is sharing articles like the MSNBC article that says "this moment, when trans people are most endangered, is not the time to throw them under the bus." Also: "there's no evidence" that people reacted badly to transmania. Most forums and outlets are going all in on the need to protect our poor fragile trans darlings.

I appreciate that some sane voices tried to point out the obvious. But unfortunately the Democrats and the Left in general will not address this issue honestly. Even though they're shocked so many young women stayed home, even though they're shocked that women "voted against their own interests." They will not admit that Dylan Mulvaney's Bud Light campaign turned off many people, that women dislike being called "birthing parent" and job applicants dislike being asked for their pronouns and people with real struggles resented seeing fetishists being prioritized over everyone else.

I despair. This is what I was so afraid of and I think Trump Part 2 will only see TIMs turned into saints by the Left.

The Atlantic: The Democrats Need an Honest Conversation on Gender Identity by LoveScience in GenderCritical

[–]Iceni 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"We're not going to debate trans humanity" and "Hey, can you remember that trans people are reading this and this could push them over the edge?" I really hope people won't be cowed by the "my trans neighbor tried to hang themselves yesterday, plz donate" stories that are multiplying across the Internet.

Isn't it funny how every sexist or rapey comment is never met with the same response that women might feel badly about such comments? It's never, "women might kill themselves" either, leave alone women might find this horribly offensive.

Two House Democrats change their tune on transgender athletes days after Trump win by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]worried19 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

From some of the hysterical reactions to Suozzi and Moulton, I'm not optimistic. Fellow Democrats are outraged that anyone on the left would dare to question the narrative.

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4981767-moulton-aide-resigns-transgender-athletes

EXCLUSIVE: Female Inmate Assaulted by Canadian Transgender Child Rapist in Women's Prison Sustained Broken Ribs, Eyewitness Reports by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]Iceni 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Damn. This is horrible. I hear Trudeau is likely to be out of power by 2025 when they have their next election. Why are such stories never made public?

Which reminds me. Need to donate to Reduxx.

EXCLUSIVE: Female Inmate Assaulted by Canadian Transgender Child Rapist in Women's Prison Sustained Broken Ribs, Eyewitness Reports by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]Killer_Danish 4 insightful - 2 fun4 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

B-b-but, I was told by TRAs that this NEVER HAPPENS!! They lied?!

Lied. Like the mentally-ill, child abusing pieces of shit they are!!

The Atlantic: The Democrats Need an Honest Conversation on Gender Identity by LoveScience in GenderCritical

[–]Iceni 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I've noticed that many Dems are continuing on with the Trans women are women, anyone who says different is a bigot line. They don't seem to know that their elitist luxury beliefs are a turn off, nor that people have real problems in the USA, people who haven't identified into marginalization. They just feel virtuous by calling others bigots to show what wonderful people they are.

I have seen a graphic where after the economy and immigration, trans issues and identity politics was number three on the list on why people didn't vote for Harris. Dems are going to have to wake up.

I did vote for Harris this time, but if they are still clinging to this next year or by the midterms, I'm done with them.

EXCLUSIVE: Female Inmate Assaulted by Canadian Transgender Child Rapist in Women's Prison Sustained Broken Ribs, Eyewitness Reports by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]CeruleanCarbon[S] 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

An eyewitness has come forward to reveal that a trans-identified male pedophile brutally assaulted a female inmate while housed in a women’s prison in British Columbia, Canada. The woman sustained broken ribs during the horrific attack.

The attack happened in 2018, but the details are just now coming to light:

Angela decided to come forward to confirm the attack, which had previously been vaguely cited in an April 2018 Parole Board decision denying his appeal for release. According to the Toronto Star, Laboucan was found to be “unable to manager [his] anger after [he flung another inmate by her hair, then kicked her in the face.” The decision referred to Laboucan with feminine pronouns.

The article mentions another attack by a different man in a woman’s prison that occurred in 2020:

As part of her reason for coming forward, Angela recounted another incident she had witnessed in which a different trans-identified male transfer, known as Coco Tallulah, beat a female inmate so horrifically that she suffered a miscarriage. The assault occurred in 2020, and Tallulah was transferred back to a men’s prison in 2021.

How many more women are going to get seriously injured before the authorities decide that it is wrong to house men in women’s prisons? And how many more attacks are out there that we don’t know about?

Elon Musk's Transgender Daughter Says She Will Leave the U.S. After Donald Trump's Win—Amid Dad's Plans for $35 Million Family 'Compound' by WrongToy in GenderCritical

[–]MarkTwainiac 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Elon Musk's father is from South Africa, his mother is from Canada. Elon grew up in SA, and emigrated to Canada as soon as he finished high school. His family lineage is South African by way of the Netherlands, Britain, Switzerland and Canada. Doesn't appear to have any German ancestors. From Wikipedia:

Musk's paternal great-grandmother was a Dutchwoman descended from the Dutch Free Burghers, while one of his maternal great-grandparents came from the Haldimann family in Switzerland.[1]

His paternal grandmother, Cora Amelia, was English from Liverpool and his paternal grandfather Walter Henry J. Musk was South African and a South African army sergeant.[12][13]

His maternal grandparents Winnifred Josephine "Wyn" (Fletcher) and Joshua Norman Haldeman were explorers [from Canada] who lived in South Africa and Canada and searched for the Lost City of the Kalahari.[8] Joshua Haldeman was a former director of Technocracy Incorporated and a political activist who ran for the Canadian Parliament on the Social Credit Party ticket, and headed the Canadian branch of the Technocracy movement.[9][10]

Elon's mother Maye Musk, born 1948, is a longtime professional fashion and advertising model, dietian, author and health educator originally from Saskatchewan, Canada.

Elon Musk's father, Errol Musk,[4] is a South African former electrical and mechanical engineer consultant and property developer,[3] who was involved in emerald mines in the 1980s,[5][6] and was a member of the South African Progressive Federal Party.

Reduxx has been banned by Patreon by xoenix in GenderCritical

[–]Iceni 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Trans activists are so damned spiteful. Can't have the truth of their despicable ideology getting out, can they? I will also throw them a small contribution because they are such a good source of GC news that not many are covering.

Trump reveals Day 1 plan to stop gender insanity by soundsituationmeow in GenderCritical

[–]SoftieCactus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Thank you!! Looks legit. Well, at least he was right about one thing.

Two House Democrats change their tune on transgender athletes days after Trump win by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]ChaikiKarabli 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, this is encouraging and far better than if they further dug in their heels, but the Party leadership is still paid to slip this nonsense through, and I expect it would unfortunately take yet another decisive presidential victory by the Republicans to instigate systemic reform. But hopefully, these are the first steps towards the Party taking an honest look at and admission of their failures and eventual reform.

Two House Democrats change their tune on transgender athletes days after Trump win by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]Pennygadget 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

""""Speaking to The New York Times on Wednesday, Suozzi said: “The Democrats have to stop pandering to the far left.""""

Women have been screaming about this for YEARS! Jewish voters have been complaining about far left pandering for years as well (even more so after all those little Nazis colonized college campuses after 10/7/23). But Democrats didn't heed our warnings until Donald Trump and the Republicans kicked their asses last week

Talk is cheap. I won't believe that these Democrats have learned their lesson until they take decisive action to prove it

Reduxx has been banned by Patreon by xoenix in GenderCritical

[–]Pennygadget 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Fuck Patreon. They seem to have a laser focus on canceling GC women.

I'll send Reduxx a small direct donation in solidarity

Elon Musk's Transgender Daughter Says She Will Leave the U.S. After Donald Trump's Win—Amid Dad's Plans for $35 Million Family 'Compound' by WrongToy in GenderCritical

[–]Pennygadget 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

And, as a rich white boy, his only pathway to victim status is putting on a dress and claiming to be an oppressed trans-girl

Elon Musk's Transgender Daughter Says She Will Leave the U.S. After Donald Trump's Win—Amid Dad's Plans for $35 Million Family 'Compound' by WrongToy in GenderCritical

[–]CeruleanCarbon 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

His Wikipedia page says that he has citizenship for South Africa, Canada, and the US.

Elon Musk's Transgender Daughter Says She Will Leave the U.S. After Donald Trump's Win—Amid Dad's Plans for $35 Million Family 'Compound' by WrongToy in GenderCritical

[–]Pennygadget 2 insightful - 2 fun2 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

You're probably on to something. Nobody would feel sorry for him if he was just another rich white boy with daddy issues. But now that he's a sad trans-girl, he gets to rake in those oppression tokens

Elon Musk's Transgender Daughter Says She Will Leave the U.S. After Donald Trump's Win—Amid Dad's Plans for $35 Million Family 'Compound' by WrongToy in GenderCritical

[–]Pennygadget 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Isn't Musk German? So would his kids have German citizenship?

After Trump’s win, some women are considering the 4B movement | CNN by Feminist_Username in GenderCritical

[–]Clownfall 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

WGTOW is the new hotness, but MGTOW is still bad, right?

JK Rowling clarifies political views by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]Anonymoose 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm so glad we have someone like her speaking up and not backing down, for many women it would be too dangerous.

Elon Musk's Transgender Daughter Says She Will Leave the U.S. After Donald Trump's Win—Amid Dad's Plans for $35 Million Family 'Compound' by WrongToy in GenderCritical

[–]WrongToy[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Who knows if Elon has set aside a trust for this ingrate.

Reduxx has been banned by Patreon by xoenix in GenderCritical

[–]MissJaneLane 10 insightful - 2 fun10 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I know right, the deprogrammerxx got banned a few years ago. Pateron is horrible to gc women

Elon Musk's Transgender Daughter Says She Will Leave the U.S. After Donald Trump's Win—Amid Dad's Plans for $35 Million Family 'Compound' by WrongToy in GenderCritical

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Permanent residency is available to foreigners in non-EU countries in Europe including Switzerland and Norway if they invest in the economy or start businesses there.

Elon Musk's Transgender Daughter Says She Will Leave the U.S. After Donald Trump's Win—Amid Dad's Plans for $35 Million Family 'Compound' by WrongToy in GenderCritical

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I don't know the rules for all the countries in Europe, but a number of nations across the globe offer wealthy foreign nationals the option to acquire permanent residency and/or citizenship by investment.

Chances are that all of Musk's kids are extremely wealthy because they are beneficiaries of trusts containing lucrative stock in Musk's companies (and maybe other holdings too). Most kids with such trusts gain control of them in their 20s; the usual age is 21. But even if Musk's kids gain control of their trusts later, they will be beneficiaries of the income the trusts generate - and they may be able to invade the trust to get money for major life events and purchases (college & grad school tuition; buying a house; financing a move to a foreign country).

Currently, 7 countries in the EU offer so-called "golden visas" providing permanent residence to wealthy foreign nationals who contribute to the economy of their adopted European country by investing in real estate, government bonds, or businesses. These include Portugal, Spain, Greece and Hungary.

The UK used to provide wealthy foreign nationals with money to invest a way to gain UK residency and be fast-tracked for UK citizenship through its Tier 1 Visa program, which required investing a minimum of £2 million in the UK economy. Under the program, foreign nationals over age 18 with no criminal record for 10 years in any country they previously were legal residents of could get indefinite leave to remain in the UK (aka permanent legal residency) and entry to a path leading to UK citizenship for themselves and their spouses and minor-age children if they invested £2 million in UK government bonds or active UK companies.

The UK's Tier 1 Visa program had step-ups offering permanent residency and a faster way to get citizenship to foreign nationals who invested £5 and £10 million.

The UK closed the Tier 1 Visa program to new applicants in February 2022.

Citizenship by investment, also known as investment migration or economic citizenship, is a process that allows individuals to obtain citizenship by making a significant investment in a country’s economy and infrastructure.

The Tier 1 Investor visa was a specialised investment visa scheme that allowed individuals and their dependents to reside in the UK. This route was closed to new applicants in 2022.

Currently, the UK does not offer a direct citizenship by investment route. However, there are a number of options that could eventually lead to citizenship in the UK.

Innovator Founder Visa: The Innovator Visa is specifically designed for entrepreneurs. By investing a minimum of £50,000 into a business, [and registering/domiciling the business in the UK for tax purposes], holders are eligible to reside in the UK to carry out business activities.

This visa can also be a route towards becoming eligible for ILR [idefinite leave to remain in the UK] status and eventually British citizenship and a British passport.

The initial visa for innovators is valid for a period of three years and four months, with the option to extend it an unlimited number of times, each time for three years.

After being in the UK for three years, innovators and their families can apply for permanent residency and eventually become British passport holders.

To be eligible for a visa extension after three years and four months, maintenance of an investment of £50,000 is mandatory.

https://iasservices.org.uk/uk-citizenship-by-investment/#:~:text=This%20route%20was%20closed%20to%20new%20applicants%20in%202022.&text=The%20minimum%20investment%20level%20required,on%20UK%20Citizenship%20by%20Investment.

Two House Democrats change their tune on transgender athletes days after Trump win by CeruleanCarbon in GenderCritical

[–]Achoo 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

How long until they are primaried out?

Reduxx has been banned by Patreon by xoenix in GenderCritical

[–]Clownfall 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

They're fairly well known for cancelling wrongthinkers. Surprised that Reduxx were still on there at this point.

Elon Musk's Transgender Daughter Says She Will Leave the U.S. After Donald Trump's Win—Amid Dad's Plans for $35 Million Family 'Compound' by WrongToy in GenderCritical

[–]Clownfall 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Could have had an incredible life as a child of Elon, but chose the gender cult instead. Might have been better off if he'd chose Scientology instead. Or hard drugs...

The indoctrination and desire for victim status is strong.

Trump reveals Day 1 plan to stop gender insanity by soundsituationmeow in GenderCritical

[–]SoftieCactus 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

All the comments are saying this is AI; the video is pretty fuzzy so I have no idea if he really said that.

Girl gets harassed by creepy man at McDonald's; woman gives gray advice. by Gritobo in GenderCritical

[–]ChaikiKarabli 1 insightful - 2 fun1 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I just assumed it was a typo for great advice

Elon Musk's Transgender Daughter Says She Will Leave the U.S. After Donald Trump's Win—Amid Dad's Plans for $35 Million Family 'Compound' by WrongToy in GenderCritical

[–]LoveScience 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Certainly not. And unless he's a citizen I don't know why any country in Europe would want him.

The Atlantic: The Democrats Need an Honest Conversation on Gender Identity by LoveScience in GenderCritical

[–]MarkTwainiac 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yes, good points. But I still think it's important to keep in mind the wide range of facilities we're talking about, and the different kinds of settings outside the home where people have to undress, shower, urinate and defecate. I also think it's important to remember that a great many people who have to use communal toilets, locker rooms and showers outside their homes on a regular/everyday basis are children, adolescents and very young adults who are still extremely insecure, self-conscious, easily cowed and powerless. This is not just an issue affecting full-grown adults.

Also, whilst it's true many adult TIFs who've been on heavy-dose T for years are passable as men/boys in the eyes of total strangers, that's not the case for most TIFs who are still attending MS and HS - or even for most TIFs in college/uni.

What's more, whilst TIFs in MS and HS might be passable to strangers who've never seen them before, they are not passable to the kids they've gone to school with for years, their siblings and extended family, or the kids they know from growing up in the same community and general geographic area.

Plenty of boys MS and HS age boys are extremely insecure and self-conscious about their bodies, and they're embarrassed about other people, especially girls and boys given to bullying, seeling their unclothed bodies. Plus, spontaneous erections are a real problem and great source of anxiety and embarrassment for adolescent boys. So it's legitimately distressing for them to have to use locker rooms, showers, and toilets in the presence of members of the opposite sex - or where members of the opposite sex are free to walk in at any time.

Plus, allowing female students who say they have trans, non-binary and other newfangled identities into spaces where male students are undressing and have their dicks out creates situations where it's bound to happen that at some point one or several of the interloping female students will accuse the male students of inappropriate sexual behavior towards them.

Many high schools in the USA go from grades 9 through 12. Lots of boys in 9th and 10th grade feel intimidated by TIFs as well as by ordinary girls in 11th or 12th grade. Especially boys who are puny, scrawny, shrimpy awkward "late bloomers" and have grown up being bossed around by older sisters. Just because TIFs in HS don't pose the same sort or level of physical threats, threats of sexual violence, and threat of impregnation to boys in their schools/communities as TIMs of the same age do to girls in their schools and communities doesn't mean there's no chance of boys being cowed by them.

Elon Musk's Transgender Daughter Says She Will Leave the U.S. After Donald Trump's Win—Amid Dad's Plans for $35 Million Family 'Compound' by WrongToy in GenderCritical

[–]WrongToy[S] 2 insightful - 3 fun2 insightful - 2 fun3 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

It’s not like Elon owes this brat a free indefinite stay in Europe.

Elon Musk's Transgender Daughter Says She Will Leave the U.S. After Donald Trump's Win—Amid Dad's Plans for $35 Million Family 'Compound' by WrongToy in GenderCritical

[–]LoveScience 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

It's easy to mock him but I imagine when he was younger it was genuinely difficult to be the son of the richest man in the world - most people resent you and many others are trying to use you. I can't imagine anyone had sympathy for him at all until he trans-ed which is probably why he did it. He's 20 so although he's an adult his brain is still developing and that's why we see these stupid reactionary statements. This is the perfect example of why kids shouldn't transition - even socially.