Karlyn Borysenko created a non-woke craft group!

medium_tomato · 2020-07-29T19:02:40+00:00

Thanks! I like most kinds of goth. I have been meaning to add a bunch more alt subs into the sidebar, so thank you for the suggestion!

medium_tomato · 2020-07-29T01:02:11+00:00

I remember finding out about "health goth" a few years ago and thinking it was kind of ridiculous. I think my main issue with it is the name, because I don't see anything healthy or gothic here. The only example out of yours that I think might be able to embody something more goth is this one..

All the others are just very basic sport styles, but in black. Black doesn't make something goth imo. Of course I am not even close to an authority on this but it just kind of rubs the wrong way, like the label doesn't fit. Unfortunately goth has been kind of taken and majorly watered down by the main stream these days.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-26T21:01:25+00:00

I actually kind of dread that tbh. I love leaving my work at the office, having a space just for work and a space just for not work. I don't want to be 100% reachable at all times.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-25T20:06:56+00:00

I understand what you are saying but even with being a feminist my whole life I just can't say that someone would be the most competent just because they are the same sex as me. Especially when we are discussing it like this, talking about some interchangeable woman instead of an individual. I don't want a female leader like this. I don't need women to be thrown a bone. If black women want this bone just for a token candidate that's nice I guess, but I can't respect that and I don't want that demeaning shit. I don't want pathetic affirmative action for women. Like you said, we had a huge diversity of candidates before and that's great to see. That's the only way I want a woman to win. Pandering suggests we can't do it.

Also there more you force X kind of people, the more flack they will get for being forced. Like I said I think in the end Biden's way is ultimately setting up women for failure not himself. My question was what do you think about Biden announcing his pick in such a manner. I don't doubt women are capable. I just hate how we are being set up to be seen as weaker token picks that need this.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-25T18:39:00+00:00

This is exactly what I always thought. It's so obvious that they aren't actually women because if they were, they would want to fight for these things rather than dismantling actual women's spaces. They always out themselves in exactly this way.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-25T18:33:37+00:00

I said this to another commenter but my main dislike was that it was going to be a woman. Do I wish it was a woman? Yes but I never want it to be like this. Other commenters here have said things much more eloquently but I dislike that he is announcing this stuff right off the bat. Before we know the individual pick or the nominees he has reduced them to their sex and maybe race. Or the fact that they are not white. Like to me it's like having them be interchangeable objects to help him prop up his ladder. Different women have very different opinions and things they would prioritize as VP or maybe even president. There are a number of female politicians whose stances I very much disagree with and would not want her, that particular woman, to be president.

Also as another good commenter said, this woman may be qualified but by announcing it like this, and only choosing her from a tiny specific pool of possible picks, Biden already reduced her as a token pick to be scrutinized for that reason. I don't like this, I think it reflects badly on female politicians and just dirties up the efforts.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-24T02:31:09+00:00

I actually would have cared very much if it was just woman or white woman. Tbh that is my primary concern, the black thing is just kinda the cherry on top. It's super pathetic to me how he is trying to use a black woman to get him the "black vote" and the "female vote". Like I feel it would be even more demeaning to me if I was black in a way, or if he said he wanted a woman of my actual specific ethnicity.

I don't think that the 2 or 3 black women already in politics aren't hard working or qualified. I think it's just sad that their qualifications are being reduced to their race and sex, not even their stances.. don't you find that at least a little bit demeaning? I would very much support a black VP pick if it was between her and a bunch of others, but just..this way feels super gross.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-23T23:47:56+00:00

What mental gymnastics are you performing that you think I believe only while old men should be able to lead lmfao. I believe that women are strong and capable, and SHOULD lead but it should be deserved and not tokenism.

Women are not fucking interchangeable. Black women are not interchangeable. I will support a specific woman for the things she stands. I will not support some rando chosen just cause she ticks off the marks for being female and black. And the worst part is that the reason I won't support her is because some old white man chose her to check those marks and be interchangeable. That old white manbasically reduced her down to those qualities.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-23T22:35:41+00:00

On one hand yes but on the other hand white men have no issue arguing against white men who they don't agree with. We literally had opposing parties with white men opposing each other. I'm embarrassed that women can't do the same but love this pathetic dangling carrot of "aww I'll pick a cute black woman for you guys".

medium_tomato · 2020-07-23T21:07:37+00:00

I understand you didn't say that. I am just curious about hypothetical questions. If you wouldn't vote for a white man, but the only other option would be a black woman who has completely differing views from you, would you be likely to vote for her, or abstain?

I am super undecided right now because no candidate is bringing to the plate a lot of things I support. A lot of people keeps saying Jo Jorgensen but I don't agree with libertarian views so I am unlikely to vote for her as well.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-23T20:57:50+00:00

That literally makes no sense.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-23T20:55:09+00:00

And that attitude is how you will eventually vote to lose all of your rights and all the protections women fought for before you.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-23T20:54:02+00:00

Your last sentence really hits.. I feel the same exact way. I just can't find a candidate I can vote for this election, but I don't want to sit this one out.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-23T20:31:43+00:00

You can still support dems while hating this tokenism. Can I ask more about why do you feel good about it? I feel like this VP pick is so different from Hillary actually running herself, or Nancy Pelosi or even AOC, who are already very outspoken and big female personalities in politics on their own, even if I don't always agree with them.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-23T20:23:43+00:00

So would you vote for a black woman if she is a raging TRA activist and pro lifer, if she is the only woman there?

medium_tomato · 2020-07-23T19:29:48+00:00

Ok but whoever she is, it IS true that she isn't getting the position due to merit. Because of the history of politics, we have a huge amount of men in politics an a tiny percentage of women. Even tinier is black women. I dont want a stupid pandering interchangeable woman. I want a woman who is smart, capable, and is someone to actually look up to. The pool is far too small here, so that's why I am insulted. If we had like 50% men 50% women in politics, and like 50% of those women were black, then okay MAYBE I can be okay with this kind of pick, but he is literally picking someone purely on biology and skin color, that's like 1%, political views and experience be damned. I just can't support this at all...

Women are fucking capable. I don't want this pathetic infantalization of "ooh lets pick a woman so the little women will be happy and mindlessly vote for me". There is no such thing as the female vote. We are all different, and we can disagree even on this kind of specific sub.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-23T17:56:37+00:00

They talk about dealing with security, I wonder who sent them and why.

Also I had to double check the year because I don't think this banner would be allowed to stay up on 2020 ( if there was still a Pride)

medium_tomato · 2020-07-23T04:01:56+00:00

I actually thought you were joking at first, or making it up. I went to the link and I am honestly baffled this is a thing.

They don't want to end racism, they just want to be the ones openly being racist and black supremacy.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-22T16:56:01+00:00

I have read this before and absolutely love this essay! It explains so much of what happened or is happening with my favorite subcultures/hobbies/fashions. Look at how gothic influence is everywhere these days. High fashion brands that never used the aesthetic have been making some very goth shoes and pieces. Same goes with kawaii things now. On one hand it's kind of cool when your favorite stuff is suddenly everywhere and you don't need to search so hard for it. But on the other hand, it makes you wonder what happens when it goes out of trend. Something that is pretty timeless just got a timestamp placed on it.

For example Harajuku fashion styles have been around since decades ago. Then from the early 2000s they became a niche group in the west. Right now they are all the rage but suddenly something that was timeless because of how out of place it was everywhere became the 2010s fad. So if you got into it in 2000s and will still be in it way into the late 2020s you will now be labeled as stuck on 2010s.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-22T15:51:23+00:00

How do they pay taxes? Sales tax barely counts. Even tourists pay that. US Citizens, and people with green cards and work visas actually have to pay that big painful chunk of taxes that comes out of our income. That goes to federal programs as well as state. Then in some states like California illegals that contribute nothing get special programs and get free fucking college. That's just not right at all.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-22T03:48:06+00:00

LOL im an idiot and totally didn't read the username. I forget how tiny this site is.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-22T03:28:21+00:00

If you like those subs, please check out my new sub s/AlternativeFashion. I know fashion and music isn't always explicitly tied, especially these days where most trends come from Instagram, but it would be cool to see some battle jackets posted, or just talk about subcultures.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-22T03:25:17+00:00

I am trying to do just that. I was just kind of wondering what happened to all those people that created the subs and then kind of ghosted?

medium_tomato · 2020-07-22T02:17:39+00:00

I recommend slowly starting to keep a backlog of content to post as you wait, so you don't have to scramble to post as you start out. This helps when you have a kind of busy day but need to post something to keep the sub afloat with new content.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-22T02:02:45+00:00

I mean this just kind of makes sense. No representation without taxation. If people come here illegally and don't contribute to society why should they be represented?

medium_tomato · 2020-07-22T01:58:31+00:00

Okay and what are you contributing in terms of more balanced news?

medium_tomato · 2020-07-22T01:57:19+00:00

Yes exactly. Also they are doing a lot of this in states that have been blue for a very long time. Joe Biden has already been in a high position of power. Voting blue clearly has not achieved anything. Dems are also joining and supporting these protests. How can you be against the establishment when you are the establishment? It just makes no sense..

medium_tomato · 2020-07-22T01:36:59+00:00

That's exactly my point!!! You literally just tried to use my point against me lol. You are the same as those people.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-22T01:12:57+00:00

What is white washing if white is not a monolith?

medium_tomato · 2020-07-22T01:11:41+00:00

And the west is starting to go backwards in that regard. So are we just going to ignore it until we don't have this mythical privilege anymore, and then we can focus on clawing our way back from oppression?

medium_tomato · 2020-07-22T00:57:19+00:00

Oh then maybe stop using the word white? We are not a fucking monolith. Just like guess what, black women in the US have a buttload more privilege than women in Africa but no one wants to talk about that now do they?

medium_tomato · 2020-07-22T00:47:03+00:00

Ok so dumb question, but what exactly is /s/ConsumeProduct? I can't tell if it makes fun of people's blind consumerism when companies slap their cause or fav character on something for more money, or what? Is it just anti left? Is there a similar sub with more discussion/explanation?

medium_tomato · 2020-07-22T00:44:18+00:00

Niche hobby subs are an excellent idea! Please make one. I myself started s/AlternativeFashion . It's tiny but hopefully will grow. You should also check if there is already something related to your hobby and post there as well? But if anything, this place definitely needs more hobby subs.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-22T00:42:20+00:00

Thank you for this! Reddit (and Youtube, FB, etc) have been censoring a lot of coronavirus information from the beginning, so this is great.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-22T00:40:21+00:00

Your reply is exactly what I'm talking about here. First of all "white" is subjective, to begin with... I'm freaking Jewish, I am white by your standards but not white by a lot of other people's. And you don't know anything about me, what kind of culture I come from originally, etc. My parents and I came to a new country to avoid prejudice. You are the person speaking to some made-up white female strawman. I also never said or thought that people should minimize their backgrounds. If anything, you are minimizing a lot of "white" women's backgrounds by lumping in white. Go try that with Asians and see how they like it when you say Indian women's experience is the same as Japanese. This is what I mean when I say that this kind of racial intersectionalism is hurting all of us.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-21T21:17:02+00:00

I love this kind of content! Never knew how much I needed this in my life. Subbed.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-21T20:41:20+00:00

I actually don't mind this. I'm a new user and I waited until a few days ago to create my sub.

The reason they do this is probably to prevent this exact situation. Creating a new sub with zero content and zero users is hard. I'm basically spamming my own sub with a few new posts every day until I get some new participations. I think the mods just didn't want new people making reactionary subs with good topics just to give up on them quickly and leave them deserted...

medium_tomato · 2020-07-21T20:36:50+00:00

The whole queer umbrella thing making an uncomfortable comeback is similar to me to the "people of color" thing. I can never bring myself to describe a person as "having color" or being a "person of color". It just seems so wrong on a fundamental level, and it also turns the world back into white and other categories. There is no such thing as people of color... There are people with different ethnicities and varying skin tones. Sometimes you can have two people from the same culture having vastly different skin tones. Does this make one a person of color and the other not??

There is just so much disgusting regressivism going on right now.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-21T20:28:47+00:00

I have definitely looked into libertarian thinking maybe it would be a good third party but after reading what they are for I just can't support that either. I respect what they believe in, and agree on a number of points, but I just don't think that libertarian ideology and policies would improve society. I think government does have an important role to play, just not the role that current liberals think it should.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-21T20:19:40+00:00

I am part of those and glad they are active but I don't only want to see that all day, every day..

medium_tomato · 2020-07-21T18:49:16+00:00

It still comes up first for me, but the other results are from reddit.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-21T18:10:06+00:00

First of all, wow you actually knew him! I have to admit I don't know much about him, other than the fact that I liked his music and my very goth friend showed me his Youtube a while ago. Having a very boring plain apartment at the time, it was definitely a cool thing to watch.

Second of all, I would never have guessed that cool backlit piece is from 2002! That is something that seems very in right now, so you were definitely far ahead of the curve. Now every youtuber is doing that whole backlit shelves thing.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-21T17:58:34+00:00

These are so cool! Honestly I would advocate for you wearing those every day. Or at least on weekends. Back before the corona days there were even alt fashion conventions and events you would have fit right into. I don't see why politics would be a problem thought. Most of my acquaintances in the alt fashion community are ultra woke (while im center). It's more about just finding an occasion or outlet a few days a month.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-21T17:31:43+00:00

He isn't even on the right.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-21T17:29:55+00:00

Okay, so who and what publication would you say is actually trying to be impartial these days? I am always looking for news with the least twist and so far Tim Pool seems to be ahead.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-21T06:50:06+00:00

I understand that you might have different issues than I have in my culture in regards to your gender roles but it honestly just sounds like oppression olympics tbh. It would be so much better to address the issues of black women without fracturing the whole feminist movement.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-21T05:49:55+00:00

Tim Pool is the closest there is to impartial journalism. I am also former left person who is highly likely to vote for Trump this year. Over the last four years I went from being left to solid center because of the craziness of the left. I will rarely admit this to people irl because I'm in a blue state surrounded by SJWs. But I know the number of people like me is growing.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-21T01:11:18+00:00

You should totally just invest in a sewing machine. I also dabble, but going from hand-sewing to machine has been a game-changer in speed, and just trying things out. It's so much easier to just try again when you only spent 15 minutes sewing something rather than an hour.

And I agree it's amazing when you realize you can customize anything. My thing is that after learning sewing, I can make cheap accessories or embellishments that otherwise would cost a lot.

Feel free to post your personal diy stuff in this sub. I don't know anything about Burning Man fashion, so it would be a welcome addition.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-21T00:30:34+00:00

Thank you for joining and posting! I look forward to more interesting posts on this sub. Reddit didn't have the best communities for fashion so hopefully this can grow more.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-21T00:23:05+00:00

If only this was more mainstream this year, maybe we could all be actually doing fun things in big groups right now.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-21T00:20:40+00:00

I love this youtuber! She has the best and most informative content and is hilarious.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-20T18:36:35+00:00

That's exactly it! They don't even care who actually wins the vote, because it will work either way. We are months away from this. What can be done about this?

medium_tomato · 2020-07-20T16:52:45+00:00

This shit is honestly terrifying and makes me believe that the media is actually trying to create a civil war. For months they have been advocating for mail-in voting, but we can already see how awful it will turn out. New York's primary was on June 23rd and they still don't know who won. Ballots are being lost, mailed late, or not even arriving.

This is the perfect setup because it doesn't matter who actually wins neither side will believe it. I feel like I am once again watching the wreck in slow motion, like I did in Jan-Feb when coronavirus was just starting to spread.

We can't let these awful articles pit us against each other. If the gov't will put a double standard on protests, then fuck it, go out and vote in person. This is the only thing we can do to prevent the civil war the media is so thirsty to get.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-20T07:03:18+00:00

I just realized you're the person that encouraged me to create a new sub with positive content. I'm trying to stick to that, so I hope you also stay and maybe in time this can become better. It feels like there's a total of 50 of us here, and 30 are the crazies.

People are leaving reddit in droves, so the best we can do is post some decent stuff here first.

Edit: spelling

medium_tomato · 2020-07-20T06:58:22+00:00

Reddit is more misogynistic than here. This is a baby site compared to reddit. I would suggest you stay and help post content here that is the kind of content you want to see. Create and contribute to female centered subs, create and contribute to to an uncensored space until we have enough users to drown out the idiots with better posts.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-20T06:51:23+00:00

I like that my comments actually get replies! It's so exciting to just have a convo with someone here, even if the post gets like 2 points. On reddit I would just get drowned out.. also it's just nice that we don't have a lot of repeating comments here (minus the Jew haters.. nothing is perfect).

The down side is that it's very hard to get attention for a new sub, and this place definitely needs more hobby subs.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-20T06:43:54+00:00

You are assuming that everyone who got censored on reddit is far right... That's just the trap they want you to fall into. Most of us here are actually still left or moderate.

If you only agree with 99% of what they say instead of the full 100% you are labeled far right, evil, bigot, etc.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-20T02:34:11+00:00

Mostly negatively, but it has also helped foster some friendships that I didn't expect. I now have video chats and online scheduled events with people who were previously distant acquaintances. Meeting new people has gone down to zero, but I'm glad I can now focus more of my energy to better get to know people I already had.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-20T02:31:48+00:00

Google Rewards! It asks you simple questions randomly and gives you a little bit of actual money. It really helps out when I don't want to pay for a micro transaction I actually do want! Usually it's dumb pay only power ups when I'm in a tight spot or stickers for photos but it has vastly improved my experience on all apps that require money sometimes. I started in 2017 and have earned $78 so far. All of it has been spent on microtransactions, but I believe there is the option to transfer somewhere.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-20T02:00:48+00:00

Also thanks for the first comment on the sub! It's actually kind of perfect :p

medium_tomato · 2020-07-20T01:59:06+00:00

I agree one hundred percent! Clothes are not an identity. But there are still so many different styles, especially ones that derivate from the norm. For me personally the reason I love alt fashion is not because it's other, but because I just couldn't find anything I liked in regular stores.

So people tend to often ask where this and that is from because they also love the same things. That's why I created this sub.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-20T01:50:21+00:00

Hello! This is a great possible reddit alternative but it needs more light and fun content. I hope you will post more gaming content here as well.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-20T01:39:53+00:00

Okay I did the thing! There is now s/AlternativeFashion . I really hope more people join even if they aren't into wearing it themselves. I have no idea how to promote this sub so fingers crossed.

Thank you for the encouragement!

medium_tomato · 2020-07-20T01:30:23+00:00

I think you nailed it when you said stories. One thing I loved about AskReddit is all the crazy stories people would post that come from a simple question. Now it's "what's your this thing story?". Not quite the same.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-20T01:25:08+00:00

Can you please make more sense. Are you saying the people in actual concentration camps may not want anyone to help?

Although you raise an interesting thought of "what DO other Muslim nation's think of this?". But it's kind of not the best way to articulate that point. I would really like to find out the answer to that question myself.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-20T01:18:09+00:00

I mean yes but you did start going there for a reason. I miss older reddit. People used to talk about the reddit hivemind in 2010 but it was so much more bearable.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-20T01:17:04+00:00

This is so true. At the same time I am finding it more fun and exciting that my posts and comments are actually seen here and I have replies. Sometimes dumb replies but sometimes good. I would get too drowned out on reddit so often didn't bother. This place could use a few extra thousand people though..

medium_tomato · 2020-07-20T01:15:38+00:00

Exactly! That's what I'm slowly trying to do. Can you recommend any existing light subs that can use more cute or funny things? Or generate good discussion?

medium_tomato · 2020-07-20T01:13:53+00:00

If you could be more specific it would really love up this sub and thread.

medium_tomato · 2020-07-19T17:42:38+00:00

I am not asking for a US intervention. I am asking for a world intervention. I think the US deserves a freaking break already. People get pissy if we help and pissy if we sit one out.

I think we need a world intervention because this is literally concentration camps. Everyone always asks how they let Germany get away with that so long, and here is our answer today.

Also, I would be for US intervention if we currently weren't in our own hole, and didn't already "help" in a lot of places we would have been better off ignoring.

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