LGB orgs in several countries are dropping the T; LBG Alliance mentions forming a US group

wafflegaff · 2020-08-26T19:40:23+00:00

I now only fondly remember the few years, in the last decade, when it seemed like being gay was going to be safer, it was easier for people to come out, and we had some rights we hadn't had before; I was thrilled for people in their teens and twenties getting to come of age in a much better environment. And then...this. I feel for you. I'm not looking but I imagine I'd find a lot of this as well. I see what some of my friends are doing (to themselves).

And I really don't know what's up with the blue / pink / whatever hair dying—and I live in a city where plenty of that has gone on for many years—suddenly becoming a TQ+ uniform, but it's to the point where I almost want to advise my serious, mature friends to quit coloring their hair that way for a bit, lest they be...misgendered...as a cult-joiner.

wafflegaff · 2020-08-09T03:07:51+00:00

Excuse me while I take an ice bath; my blood is boiling.

In case anyone thinks women cannot be sexual predators, there ya go. I have seen this type of shit with my own eyes from a non-trans woman or two (think Cluster B); they know exactly how much power they have and who is more likely to be believed, and they milk it and it's scary AF, so I feel for this guy. Holy cow. Hope he manages to get through this intact. Wonder how many other people that person has harassed. Hopefully the grapevine will work this one and put people on alert in a discreet way at the very least. That's super predatory and awful.

And sadly, I am in agreement that he is on the likely losing side of this. But I sure hope not.

wafflegaff · 2021-03-11T15:14:48+00:00

Don't try to make sense of someone with a personality disorder. It will just crack your brain.

The very best advice I've ever heard or offered about this is that they are much easier to understand when you realize their emotional development stopped somewhere between the ages of two and six. That doesn't make it better, but it frames it more accurately.

Adult-bodied toddlers are the worst by definition.

wafflegaff · 2021-05-04T07:20:59+00:00

I feel so sorry for satirists in 2021. All the good jokes are taken.

wafflegaff · 2020-12-17T06:10:32+00:00

i think it might have something to do with how i feel weak and fragile around men and want to take back control and have sexual power over them

Well that doesn't sound at all...rapey.

wafflegaff · 2020-09-07T13:01:23+00:00

Been pining for that decade myself. Will let you know when I find the time machine.

wafflegaff · 2021-04-13T03:21:54+00:00

Just make it a support group for people to explore their past wrongs toward others and hold each other accountable for attempting to right those wrongs when feasible. You'll never see a TRA within a thousand miles of it.

wafflegaff · 2021-01-25T11:37:10+00:00

So far 2021 is just proving to me again why I took another look at Ms. Cyrus and decided she was worthy of respect.

I hope she blows this off and makes no apologies.

wafflegaff · 2021-10-26T09:32:47+00:00

Pardon the all caps, but: FINALLY.

wafflegaff · 2020-12-11T01:20:04+00:00

Might get thousands of likes; still not getting sex.

They don't call it transmutation for nothing.

wafflegaff · 2021-04-23T20:59:22+00:00

The usual. Post the content themselves that they claim means a sub / site needs to be taken down. Pure DARVO, with the planting of evidence.

wafflegaff · 2021-10-17T12:17:42+00:00

It's such an out-of-date idea that gay means "opposite sex" it means opposite gender. we need a new language for genital preference if it's even actually a thing.

And this one can't even figure out what the word should mean in the first place, before breaking it. And then goes on to question the innateness of sexual orientation, it appears, first by calling it a preference and then suggesting it doesn't exist. Move along, no homophobia ("Why don't they LIKE US???" /whine) to see here...

wafflegaff · 2022-01-11T07:07:56+00:00

The 1950s called...

wafflegaff · 2021-03-26T11:37:03+00:00

I just wish there was a way get rid of these people without transphobes using them as ammunition against us.

Supremely delusional if they think it's Some Other Guy™ making them look bad.

wafflegaff · 2021-11-10T13:59:48+00:00

Came here to say this. Release him already. Give the poor guy a break, his attempt to accommodate her cognitive dissonance can be laid to rest now.

I bet he mourns this until lunchtime.

wafflegaff · 2021-03-22T00:14:49+00:00

Why do they always bring up treating them like humans?

Because they're avenging something they feel hurt about in their own lives and you're the target du jour, the appropriated stage upon which they play out their internal battles in the world. They are VICTIMS, goddamnit, and you must stop questioning this.

That's kinda it.

wafflegaff · 2021-10-20T04:38:35+00:00

They are never going to understand their bait-and-switch nature when they "pass" and don't disclose, apparently. Nobody else has boundaries or feelings.

wafflegaff · 2020-12-10T06:26:37+00:00

From dating apps to sex clubs, queer trans masculine people are fighting for visibility in the places traditionally associated with cis gay men.

I mean, no. The end.

wafflegaff · 2020-08-08T17:12:09+00:00

This is so gross. That's the language of a four-year-old. Couldn't be less sexy or more alarming. You wanna play in mommy's closet (or daddy's, sure), cool, but quit LARPing as an adult while you are at it. Fail.

wafflegaff · 2021-03-11T15:09:57+00:00

The TRA playbook is delusion, gaslighting, tantrums, and DARVO. Plus dirty diapers and drool. That's it.

That's why they can't get laid.

wafflegaff · 2021-01-08T10:30:01+00:00

Definitely going to take my kooky civics lessons from an MTF who managed to finagle her (his) way into working at a rape crisis center.

wafflegaff · 2020-12-28T22:45:11+00:00

You are not wrong. It is a cult. They are collectively delusional.

And that sounds like a difficult group to participate in right now, unless you can limit or eliminate your exposure to the cult members somehow.

wafflegaff · 2021-10-25T02:45:20+00:00

Speech transcript excerpt (linked above, go read it):

The complainant cannot be allowed to continue to weaponize police forces across the country, to silence voices he disagrees with, whilst he capers and gloats and feigns terror because he’s triggered by tweets.

He is a bully. I do not pander to bullies. I do not cower before bullies. I put them on notice, and I employ all legal means to have them stopped.

My solicitor informs me that there are various channels open to me, so the complainant can expect to hear from me in due course.

But it isn’t just the complainant I’m putting on notice. It is the police service of Northern Ireland, it’s Stonewall, and it’s the massive fraud they call the Diversity Champions Scheme.

The police have questions for me? Good. I have questions for them.

Questions like, “What influence does being a member of the Stonewall diversity champions scheme have on the way you police this issue?”

Questions like, “When I reported death and rape threats to you, you told me to withdraw from the debate and stop tweeting, so did you offer the same advice to the man who complained against me?”

Questions like “what underpinned your decision to interview me under caution for tweets about child protection, whilst you completely ignored direct threats on my life.”

I have a long list of other questions for the PSNI, and they can expect to hear them from me in the form of Freedom of information requests in the coming days.

My solicitor is helping me explore other possible actions, including a complaint to the ombudsman.

In the meantime, I have a message for the PSNI.

I’m politely declining your invitation to be interviewed voluntarily under caution at the station.

Come and arrest me if you want to ask me your questions. Here I am.

wafflegaff · 2021-10-26T09:33:02+00:00

Yup, this is a very very very good sign.

wafflegaff · 2020-07-30T23:53:19+00:00

I don't remember gays ever calling straight people homophobic for not wanting to sleep with them.

That detail has always fascinated me about the current insanity. In trying to conflate themselves with / shove their way into the spaces belonging to a group (LGB) that rationally advocates for their own rights and leaves alone people who wouldn't be interested in them, these people seem to have entirely missed the fact that gay rights don't include bullying and raping people.

wafflegaff · 2021-04-25T08:43:53+00:00

There they go with that "reminder" trope again. Can't make something real by claiming you are reminding people of it. Next.

wafflegaff · 2023-03-21T14:11:02+00:00

If we just keep saying "dying" we'll get whatever we want from these gullible fools.

That seems to have been the master plan.

wafflegaff · 2021-05-02T23:33:29+00:00

I have to admit I'm surprised the Guardian remembered they're the Guardian and ran that piece. Excellent read.

wafflegaff · 2020-12-31T20:04:39+00:00

Worst cult ever.

wafflegaff · 2020-12-03T13:33:28+00:00

If he is not yet aware of this I am guessing he's rather young. Sometimes it's hard to let people learn on their own but this might be a time when that is the best response. Just be there if he wants to talk later.

wafflegaff · 2022-05-17T19:44:16+00:00

Logic.

This is all it needs to be called for any of us, L, G, or B. The Logic Ceiling.

wafflegaff · 2022-03-21T06:13:24+00:00

The Schadenfreude is strong with this one.

wafflegaff · 2021-09-07T22:48:26+00:00

"Opens it up for trans women." Uh. No. There is no "it" to open as if it was a grocery store; individuals have their specific attractions and "lesbian" has a specific meaning. Good lord. Find other targets and other terms to use.

wafflegaff · 2021-04-26T22:42:54+00:00

Would you like to back up these statements with credible sources?

wafflegaff · 2021-04-08T11:05:50+00:00

I hate all of these, but superbi one is worst, it feeds into the idea that bisexuals don’t include trans people and it’s always so disheartening having to defend your sexuality

Umm, yeah. It is.

wafflegaff · 2020-08-26T20:21:58+00:00

Maybe this is what happens when you fight for decades to make something safe that finally becomes safe for teenagers. Lots of peer pressure and trend-chasing. Wanna bet that earlier generations would have done something similar if it had been safe enough for us to be this open? Having to hide all the time and be afraid of being attacked, becoming homeless, getting an incurable disease, or losing your job does force one to grow up a lot faster.

wafflegaff · 2021-04-23T20:30:45+00:00

ETA: Correction, a billing error, yay! https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/7rqn/server_is_back_up/

So, what exactly happened with Saidit going down?

~~Some sort of death threat,~~ apparently: https://saidit.net/s/SaidIt/comments/7ros/saidit_is_back_online/

wafflegaff · 2021-04-23T20:29:38+00:00

Yeah, and they are using "Against" which sends the wrong message. I'd ignore it. It'll cause confusion. Helpful but not sufficiently informed on the part of whoever did that.

wafflegaff · 2021-10-17T12:28:00+00:00

Do that. Don't give an inch on this.

wafflegaff · 2021-03-22T06:42:10+00:00

Probably threatened to cancel someone for being transphobic if they weren't admitted to law school.

wafflegaff · 2021-01-22T13:27:51+00:00

Reminds me somewhat of being with a person with BPD: The mask of normal, mature behavior eventually falls off after a while in a relationship, and then you discover you are dealing with a different person. You grieve for the person you lost, the person they wanted you to think they were, and yet they are not truly gone; you still have to look at them, standing right there in front of you like a ghost.

Leaving is the sane response.

wafflegaff · 2021-01-08T10:28:14+00:00

"But [homosexuality] is outdated and problematic because [person in demographic that is not related to being homosexual yadda yadda yadda]."

Get your own damned categories.

wafflegaff · 2020-12-07T13:23:29+00:00

Because flags are now a fetish, too; some people clearly see them as talismans which make real the nonsensical ideas they wish to promote. Rather like putting something on official letterhead.

In other words they are little kids playing house and flags are easy to create. Reality is more difficult.

wafflegaff · 2021-11-22T06:15:50+00:00

"Diva makes petulant, narcissistic, self-righteous, homophobic demands"

That's the news here.

wafflegaff · 2021-11-19T15:33:16+00:00

These two seem like the characters who would result if Monty Python lampooned this nonsense.

wafflegaff · 2021-04-28T08:38:56+00:00

This being the original problem: Her denial and entitlement.

wafflegaff · 2021-03-11T00:55:44+00:00

trans rights activists don't have object permanence

DING DING DING!

Just like they can't predict the obvious bad consequences that will follow their abusive behavior. This is textbook for BPD and NPD. (It appears to me we are primarily dealing with people with NPD but there can be comorbidity, of course.)

"A lack of whole object relations and object constancy is characteristic of people who are diagnosed with personality disorders. For example, from an object relations theoretical point of view, the main difference between simply having narcissistic traits versus qualifying for a diagnosis of narcissistic personality disorder is based on the narcissistic person's lack of whole object relations and object constancy."

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/understanding-narcissism/201902/how-do-you-develop-whole-object-relations-adult

wafflegaff · 2020-12-04T22:19:37+00:00

Close is still a good sign. All of this rhetoric and social pressure and bullying is heavily toxic. It's going to take a while for people to return to themselves and shake it off.

https://archive.vn/jtpnF

wafflegaff · 2022-03-22T06:41:53+00:00

As they say on Reddit, username checks out.

wafflegaff · 2021-04-12T15:15:36+00:00

Underachieving people hawking shitty products have existed for millennia.

wafflegaff · 2021-04-06T18:57:49+00:00

b) Even though I am effectively a straight woman, I will refuse to date any straight man, because that would be 'invalidating'.

This is just a variation on "I won't date another trans person, because it would trigger my dysphoria." Basically she just doesn't want anyone operating in a verifiable reality to be close to her.

wafflegaff · 2020-09-10T03:33:30+00:00

No, sorry. We need all the reality-based LGB people to stick around.

wafflegaff · 2021-10-26T12:20:25+00:00

Is anyone else feeling giddy and lighter just now or is it just me?

wafflegaff · 2021-10-13T14:36:45+00:00

Which is why I don't. Radical inclusion is utterly dependent on prudent discernment (which is to say it's a pipe dream). It is not something that can be taken literally and implemented with no filters. Sexual (and other) predators will always exploit it.

I'm not sure who thought up the idea but I'm pretty sure it wasn't a woman.

wafflegaff · 2021-04-27T00:40:42+00:00

Some trans people (TRAs). The others are hiding under a rock trying to avoid the crossfire or protesting this nonsense too.

wafflegaff · 2020-12-31T02:19:46+00:00

"He jumped out of the stranger's van once he realized it wasn't free candy that he would be getting."

wafflegaff · 2020-12-28T22:49:58+00:00

Harming your attractiveness to others and then trying to draft the unwilling via an evolution argument is an example of natural selection in progress.

wafflegaff · 2020-12-18T11:46:15+00:00

Personality transplants are even harder than this.

And, yes...I see what I did there.

wafflegaff · 2020-12-04T22:25:06+00:00

This surprised me as well. And they can go ahead and try to censor it now. :-)

wafflegaff · 2020-08-09T06:17:59+00:00

Exactly. Nobody should be drinking any Kool-Aid that suggests a group of people is 100% innocent people only. This is why the "believe all women" delusion gets me jumping out of my chair and waiving alllll kinds of red flags trying to wake people up before they're next. But many of them do not want to wake up. Guess what: It doesn't matter if, statistically, the number of such abusers is small, when it's you who is getting targeted, abused, not believed, and having your life ruined. Once in a while a person like this even drives their victim to end their life. It is not a game or theoretical. These people are real.

wafflegaff · 2021-10-26T15:45:22+00:00

I hope, because I am so disgusted with my woke associates at this point, that what's going on here is that there's a little tiny inkling of realization emerging for them now that they are complicit in enabling this and forcing it down our throats. I really want them to be feeling that right now. That "oh shit" moment.

Then get over it and help us like they should have been all along.

wafflegaff · 2021-10-17T04:30:09+00:00

They really do think they are EDGY.

https://media.giphy.com/media/OHMkK8zl9fvSU/giphy.gif

wafflegaff · 2021-09-24T23:37:07+00:00

Interestingly, when I found the original just now, the most upvoted comment thread was from someone giving this idiot a thorough lecture. See the archive link I posted in another comment.

wafflegaff · 2021-07-24T19:21:35+00:00

I know a couple of trans women that I sense worry about passing, who very definitely do not. They play along when topics like women's hormone cycles come up, but don't add any personal experiences, of course. And I politely don't walk them into the same conversations I would normally have with women about such things, because I know they aren't women and therefore can't go there for real.

Neither of them is an asshole or spewing TRA bullshit so mostly I feel protective of them and cringe on their behalf about what's going on in their neck of the woods. It's got to be pretty scary to be a decent trans person right now, and that's something I've gleaned from a few I've read on Twitter. I'd worry about passing, too, if other people who identified the way I did were busy making complete asses of themselves, claiming to speak for all trans people, and causing a backlash. It's a hell of a trap to be in—not passing, while watching nutjobs smear your entire demographic as rapey, narcissistic bullies.

wafflegaff · 2021-05-08T18:44:10+00:00

Which is hilarious given how often we are expected to want them because we're bisexual.

wafflegaff · 2021-04-30T00:22:53+00:00

Oof.

wafflegaff · 2021-04-27T08:47:20+00:00

It's really time for an "LGB Spaces Day of Remembrance" every other month or so.

wafflegaff · 2021-04-13T03:14:25+00:00

Somewhere I have an article saved in which some TRAs literally brag about infiltrating groups to take them over or shut them down. Can't find it at the moment. But yes. This is a sport to them. Because:

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-a-sociopath-380184

wafflegaff · 2021-03-19T09:14:14+00:00

How did we wind up with an entire generation of little narcissists

Just after some cursory Googling on a hunch, I suspect this free chapter of a book from 2017 might be illuminating.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/321096728_Narcissism_and_Social_Media_Use_by_Children_and_Adolescents

wafflegaff · 2021-03-15T22:36:18+00:00

LipstickAlley

Sounds like I need to add that to my reading list.

"You're Kiddin', Right?" on YouTube is quite enjoyable as well.

wafflegaff · 2021-03-09T02:35:33+00:00

Showing how weak they have been all along.

wafflegaff · 2021-01-19T23:07:13+00:00

I completely agree. (I am an American, btw.) The thing is, you can't fight nature forever. Detransitioners prove this.

And if we don't keep going then those who realize they were just hurting themselves won't know where to look for support.

wafflegaff · 2020-09-10T02:04:10+00:00

But in order for it to work, everyone has to agree to stay silent and validate.

Excellent summary.

One note:

It would just be rude and awkward and it would cause the relationship to implode.

Of course, these are not real, healthy, reciprocal relationships in which the other person actually exists as a separate human being to the narcissist; you as a child, and everyone around a narcissistic trans person, are just props in the play going on in their heads.

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