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[–]JulienMayfair 52 insightful - 1 fun52 insightful - 0 fun53 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

One behavior pattern that the women of r/GenderCritical had figured out is that pushing their way into other groups' spaces is part of the thrill. To be able to coerce "inclusion" makes them feel powerful and validated.

There were stories of trans women who would go around a town and join every group for women they could find, at which point, they would provoke conflicts and demand that all conversation center on them. Then, when the women responded negatively, they would cry "transphobia" and try to get the group shut down.

How many times have we heard that? A group exists for women discussing reproductive health, and a trans woman arrives and starts policing everyone's language when, in fact, not having any of those reproductive parts, he has no reason to be there.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Somewhere I have an article saved in which some TRAs literally brag about infiltrating groups to take them over or shut them down. Can't find it at the moment. But yes. This is a sport to them. Because:

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-a-sociopath-380184

[–]divingrightintowork 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

[–]slushpilot 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

coerce "inclusion"

Hmm. I think there's a word for that. It might involve penetration.

[–]divingrightintowork 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

oh fucking WBUR wrote an article lauding them doing this - https://www.wbur.org/endlessthread/2018/09/28/league-of-extraordinary-trolls

[–]fuck_reddit 27 insightful - 10 fun27 insightful - 9 fun28 insightful - 10 fun -  (13 children)

Someone should make a FB group or subreddit with such a boring, conservative, religious title that no TRA would ever want to join. Something like a private discussion group for discussing St Thomas Aquinas for people in their third year of Catholic Seminary studying to become a Little Sister of the Poor. Then in actuality it’s for LGB people. That way there doesnt need to be any explicit “no trans” rules. Nor would we need to ban anyone. It would spread by word of mouth or something.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 27 insightful - 19 fun27 insightful - 18 fun28 insightful - 19 fun -  (2 children)

Just make it a support group for people to explore their past wrongs toward others and hold each other accountable for attempting to right those wrongs when feasible. You'll never see a TRA within a thousand miles of it.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Genius.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

Professional victims have a predictable set of allergies. Accountability is number one.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 11 insightful - 14 fun11 insightful - 13 fun12 insightful - 14 fun -  (3 children)

The first lesbian porn I saw was when I was 13 years old during a school trip, it was about nuns scissoring and my crush was besides me. For this, I'm very fond of religious stuff related to sexuality. I'm in.

[–]VioletRemiCat, homosexual one 6 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 4 fun7 insightful - 5 fun -  (2 children)

Oh you~

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Do you like lesbian nuns too, babe? ;)

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 11 insightful - 7 fun11 insightful - 6 fun12 insightful - 7 fun -  (3 children)

Love this idea. I’m cracking up at your example. Have trans-identified males invaded nunneries yet?

[–]Taln_Reich 13 insightful - 6 fun13 insightful - 5 fun14 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

[–]julesburm1891 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Considering the Vatican really likes people who obey orders, I can’t imagine causing a scene and pestering everyone in the church will help this guy’s case.

[–]fuck_reddit 7 insightful - 9 fun7 insightful - 8 fun8 insightful - 9 fun -  (0 children)

Idk, i feel like they’d refuse to take the vow of chastity even though they’re clearly living it in practice

[–]millicentfawcett 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I'm in a FB group like this, women have been doing it for quite a while. Completely random group name that gives no hints as to what is discussed there. Admittance is word of mouth only and based on referral by an existing member preferably with some real life contact. Downsides are that it's totally private and off the radar of lots of women who would really benefit from joining will never know it's there. It would be the same with a group specific to the L, the G or B. Young LGB people who are just coming out really need to hear from older people that boundaries are okay and unfortunately super secret groups are counterintuitive to this. It's a real dilemma.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 5 insightful - 6 fun5 insightful - 5 fun6 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

The Friends of Saint Dorothy Association

[–]loveSloaneSuperDuperBi 29 insightful - 1 fun29 insightful - 0 fun30 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I saw someone ask this on Facebook. The answer he got (from multiple people) was that marginalized/ oppressed (🙄) groups have a right to their own spaces, but should also be able to access spaces meant for any other demographic they fit into. Basically it’s “transphobic” for us to exclude them anywhere, but they need an outlet for themselves where they know everyone participating is having the same experiences....

Obviously they don’t get how they’re denying others that very thing, but then, they’ve never been a particularly self aware group.

I think they should have their own spaces, but what’s the point when they turn every space into their space?

[–]ukrdude10[S] 23 insightful - 1 fun23 insightful - 0 fun24 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Of course they no longer preach about equality, now it's all about "diversity and inclusion" which is code word for minority supremacy

[–]censorshipment 16 insightful - 6 fun16 insightful - 5 fun17 insightful - 6 fun -  (3 children)

You can on your own online platforms. Didn't someone link to a SuperStraight website with forums on it for Super LGB folks too?

I don't visit them, but https://www.datalounge.com/threads is a site for gay men, and https://www.shybi.com/forums/ is a site for bi women.

The L Chat is a lesbian forum which is infamous for being tərfy (but especially "biphobic").

https://thelchat.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2526&start=9170 ...that's the Transsexuals thread.

[–]PeakingPeachEaterfemale♀ | detrans🦎 | eater of peaches 🍑 9 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 0 fun10 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Didn't someone link to a SuperStraight website with forums on it for Super LGB folks too?

Yeh, that was me!

Here's the regular SSLGBS website with resources: https://sslgbs.com/wp/

And here's the SLGBS forum: https://forums.slgbs.org/

You can on your own online platforms.

I agree with this, I don't care at all for reddit anymore. Used it many years ago and stopped maybe 5-10yrs ago. Saidit is my new home as well as old school forums too.

[–]NerveActive 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The L Chat

I really can't get into these boards that have threads with 70+ pages, it's so overwhelming.

[–]WhiteRose 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The L Chat is a lesbian forum which is infamous for being tərfy (but especially "biphobic").

A lesbian forum is ‘biphobic?’ As a bi woman this just makes my eyes roll. I don’t expect to have a place in a forum exclusively for lesbians. If I want to commune with other women, I seek out feminist groups.

[–]wokuspokusWoman in a man’s world, TERF in whatever we call this madness 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well fucking put.

[–]PeakingPeachEaterfemale♀ | detrans🦎 | eater of peaches 🍑 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I liked Saidit, because all are welcomed here, no matter the views.

I would say either keep pushing those social media platforms and make accounts/voice your opinions regardless of what Reddit/Twitter/FB etc may do(ex. Ban you, remove your posts, etc) OR you can use alternatives to it.

Instead of Reddit, use Saidit. Instead of Twitter, use Parler. Instead of Facebook use Friendica or Mastodon. These are open source alternatives and freedom of speech(at least with Parler it is, I'm not sure of Friendica or Mastodon).

I do agree that it's frustrating and stupid in the first place that we're forced to use alternatives, but I'm glad I don't give them my support for their crooked rules/policies.

Edit: Nevermind on Parler, it sounds like they're basically like Twitter with censoring except it's right leaning whereas Twitter is left leaning. Neither are neutral, and I don't like that.

[–]goatmeal 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

parler should be dead to us. please only recommend mastodon, pleroma, or any other fediverse application in place of any kind of microblogging service. and don't forget about peertube which is also fediverse.

[–]PeakingPeachEaterfemale♀ | detrans🦎 | eater of peaches 🍑 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What happened to Parler? Do they censor too?

[–]usehername 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

Apparently the Capitol riot was organized through Parler. I also heard they censor non-conservative views, but I could be wrong. I haven't used it.

[–]PeakingPeachEaterfemale♀ | detrans🦎 | eater of peaches 🍑 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Ohhhhh Parler sounds like a right leaning twitter pretty much(e.g. still censoring views they don't like). That's boring. Nevermind on recommending them then. I wasn't sure if mastodon censors views too or has freedom of speech. I'll have to look into that too. I heard it was a nice platform.

[–]usehername 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I haven't even heard of mastodon, but I'll check it out too.

[–]verystablegenius 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

omg. are you me? you sound like me. i like this.

[–]lazy-summer-godSuper Gay 7 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 2 fun -  (28 children)

We can't have "our own fucking space", because many of us is just plain dumb.

It was the same on r/LGBdroptheT and r/SuperStraight. Too many of us focuses on bashing the trans community instead of focusing on having a separate community. I fully agree that Reddit is biased and has a TRA cock in their mouth, but on every subreddit of ours there are an actual transphobic comments that are upvoted by many. You can't really defend that.

Either accept that you can't have a community on Reddit due to your views or don't discuss trans people at all, just act like they don't exist. Personally, I hate censorship and taboo, so I would be suggesting the first option, but r/askgaybros and r/Tumblrinaction are a pretty good examples of communities not focused around trans people, who widely reject TRA rhetorics and yet continue to exist. For now at least.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (14 children)

I fully agree that Reddit is biased and has a TRA cock in their mouth, but on every subreddit of ours there are an actual transphobic comments that are upvoted by many. You can't really defend that.

What are you considering actual transphobic comments that get upvoted and why should that mean that no gay subreddit should be allowed to exist considering how trans subreddits are allowed to exist despite brimming with homophobia, misogyny, racism, and rape culture?

[–]lazy-summer-godSuper Gay 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (13 children)

What are you considering actual transphobic comments that get upvoted

"Trans people mutilate their bodies", "trans people are mentally ill", "trans people are disgusting" (mostly including a pic comparing an "ugly" trans person to a gorgeous biological male/female), generalizing trans people as bad and lots, LOTS others, that I can't remember from the top of my head.

In general, our movements have a difficult time with criticizing only the irrational views and toxic rhetoric that TRA's have, without being hateful towards all trans people. Remember that trans people make 0.3% of entire population, they physically couldn't be policing us the way TRA do. TRA =/= trans people. Some trans people can be the crazy activists we're talking about, but not all. Let's not target our potential allies who respect our boundaries just to spite few potential enemies, let's address the silly things that are said about us.

and why should that mean that no gay subreddit should be allowed to exist

In my opinion, that's no reason to shut down a subreddit. I think adults should grow up enough to have a mature discussion and skin thick enough to carry the burden of truth, wherever it lies. But realistically, no serious company will agree to be a platform for a hateful movement. Reddit is clearly leaning to the left, so they will obviously and actively seek for an excuse to ban a controversial community like ours.

I tried defending both of the subreddits I've mentioned after they were banned on Reddit, but AHS clowns had screenshots of actual transphobia with lots of upvotes from other users. Some of the upvotes were obviously coming from the AHS brigade, but the comments were send by actual users, not brigadiers. They were simply dumb enough to post this. And I refuse to go into delusion territory and defend something against the clear evidence.

how trans subreddits are allowed to exist despite brimming with homophobia, misogyny, racism, and rape culture

Just the way r/askgaybros and r/tumblrinaction are able to survive despite occasionally being some of these things. Trans subreddits have the occassional homophobia, misogyny or racism on their subreddits, but it's occassional, vast majority of posts is just... Jesus, I don't know, whatever the fuck they're discussing. Same goes for askgaybros. Trans posts are consitent as of lately, but the vast majority of focus is still "my straight friend crush" and "am I gay if I gave a blowjob?". They obviously hesitate to ban this kind of community, because banning a specific users making these posts is more reasonable than shutting down everything, where majority wasn't against their narrative.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

I make distinctions between trans-identifying people and trans activists but I don’t think your examples of transphobia resonate with me. There is a lot of reasonable conversation that can be and must be had about whether gender and sex dysphoria are or should be considered a mental disorder. I think the feelings are real and distressing. I think the preoccupation with social roles and aesthetics is societally driven. But that having a compulsion to surgically alter your healthy functioning body parts and render them non-functioning is extreme and disordered thinking, and can never be considered morally neutral IMO. By that, I mean if a child has two pathways in front of them that could lead to happiness and one of them requires a lifetime of medicalization and surgery and affirming irreality and the other path is acceptance of their healthy body as it is, then there is no way I think those pathways should be considered equally viable. Many trans people are fully able to recognize this too (e.g, Blaire White, Buck Angel, and Scott Newgent), and there is nothing meaningfully transphobic about that or about allowing those conversations or comments. Nor am I going to get worked up about comments about “mutilation” unless there is something else more to it that seeks to insult people’s humanity. For example, I absolutely think the groomers encouraging body dissociation and gleefully encouraging butch lesbians to get double mastectomies as if they’re like hair dye or a fashion choice, are recklessly encouraging body mutilation and surgical self harm. This needs to be called out and I’m not very impressed by those who are more concerned about policing the language used to discuss serious issues than the underlying issues themselves.

Ultimately, I don’t think “trans people” are an identifiable group of people with a set definition. It’s an ideological concept with pretty much all trans-identifying people not even considering several other trans-identifying people truly “trans.” Are they all transphobic too? I do think “transsexual” is a thing but I think transsexual is a state/result of specific actions taken or the process of those actions, independent of ideology about the meaning of those actions or how their actions should be treated under law.

If all of this is considered “transphobia” then I’m not too concerned about warnings of transphobia.

[–]lazy-summer-godSuper Gay 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

There is a lot of reasonable conversation that can be and must be had about whether gender and sex dysphoria are or should be considered a mental disorder

Certainly. But what I'm referring to was not a reasonable discussion. It was just name calling or memes. Someone saying how TRA's policing people's sexualities is ridiculous and then adding "I'm not going to fuck someone I don't want just because a group of self-mutilation crossdressers expects this".

Or someone saying "Trans issue will solve itself" and then slapping a meme about 40% of trans people committing sucidie.

I think the feelings are real and distressing. I think the preoccupation with social roles and aesthetics is societally driven. But that having a compulsion to surgically alter your healthy functioning body parts and render them non-functioning is extreme and disordered thinking, and can never be considered morally neutral IMO. By that, I mean if a child has two pathways in front of them that could lead to happiness and one of them requires a lifetime of medicalization and surgery and affirming irreality and the other path is acceptance of their healthy body as it is, then there is no way I think those pathways should be considered equally viable. Many trans people are fully able to recognize this too (e.g, Blaire White, Buck Angel, and Scott Newgent), and there is nothing meaningfully transphobic about that or about allowing those conversations or comments. Nor am I going to get worked up about comments about “mutilation” unless there is something else more to it that seeks to insult people’s humanity. For example, I absolutely think the groomers encouraging body dissociation and gleefully encouraging butch lesbians to get double mastectomies as if they’re like hair dye or a fashion choice, are recklessly encouraging body mutilation and surgical self harm. This needs to be called out and I’m not very impressed by those who are more concerned about policing the language used to discuss serious issues than the underlying issues themselves.

Ultimately, I don’t think “trans people” are an identifiable group of people with a set definition. It’s an ideological concept with pretty much all trans-identifying people not even considering several other trans-identifying people truly “trans.” Are they all transphobic too? I do think “transsexual” is a thing but I think transsexual is a state/result of specific actions taken or the process of those actions, independent of ideology about the meaning of those actions or how their actions should be treated under law.

You don't have to preach to me about any of this, as I fully agree. I think what trans people need for their suicide rates to drop, is self-acceptance – so something all of us in LGB community needed to grow emotionally. Instead, they're being spoon-fed with questionable and potentially risky, mostly permanent solutions and the tendency to push this onto youth is scary and cult-like delusional.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

Certainly. But what I'm referring to was not a reasonable discussion. It was just name calling or memes. Someone saying how TRA's policing people's sexualities is ridiculous and then adding "I'm not going to fuck someone I don't want just because a group of self-mutilation crossdressers expects this".

I don’t see this as bad or generalizing all trans people. This is calling out the rapey creepy activist wing that is by and large crossdressing people who thoughtlessly encourage surgical self-harm and are preoccupied with eliminating other people’s right to say no.

Making jokes about trans-identifying people killing themselves is abhorrent and inhumane, yes. But I still don’t think transphobia is a meaningful standalone concept especially bc again I don’t think trans is an innate trait. And I absolutely understand being wary around trans people if you don’t know whether or not they’re TRAs, though I feel the same way around my fellow homosexuals. And it sounds like we can both agree that criticism of the veracity of the suicide and violence statistics and the way they are utilized in public discourse is not hateful, but rather necessary.

[–]lazy-summer-godSuper Gay 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I don’t see this as bad or generalizing all trans people. This is calling out the rapey creepy activist wing that is by and large crossdressing people who thoughtlessly encourage surgical self-harm and are preoccupied with eliminating other people’s right to say no.

First part was valid and important to state. Calling them "self-mutilating crossdressers" was not necessary.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Whether it’s “necessary” seems to be beside the point. I don’t personally find this to be all that bad or harmful or a hill to die on. This group of people in large part historically identified as cross-dressers. It is often relevant that the people who think that wearing clothes that are culturally typical of the opposite sex (which many gay people have long since been doing without much fanfare or ascribing meaning to it) combined with taking exogenous cross-sex hormones, and consuming plastic surgery should give them any kind of moral high ground or legitimacy in policing the sexual orientation of others.

[–]lazy-summer-godSuper Gay 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Whether it’s “necessary” seems to be beside the point.

But the entire point of this discussion is "why can't we have our own community?". That's the answer.

What used to be is not true anymore. People who used to identify as that might not be around anymore. It doesn't cost much to show this level of respect and call them "trans" instead of something they consider a slur.

[–]ukrdude10[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

"no serious company will agree to be a platform for a hateful movement" LOL you do know that r/FemaleDatingStrategy, r/MGTOW, r/AHS, the satirical r/AntiHateCommunities and many many others are still up and running, they are completely hateful communities that are allowed. They are perfectly okay as long as it directed at certain groups.

[–]lazy-summer-godSuper Gay 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Not saying that they aren't biased, because they certainly are, but even if they weren't, they would have to be more reactive towards "trans people in danger from this hateful group!!!!" because trans communities have a huge media support.

No one in the media will care about some meta subreddits, so they get a free pass.

[–]ukrdude10[S] 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That's still being biased if you support one minority group but not others. To be unbiased, they would have to ban any subreddits with misogyny or racism, which is obviously not the case. And they allow hateful subreddits like AHS to post child rape and murder porn without penalties. They've shown their true colors which is the opposite of unbiased and neutral, they're pure bigots.

[–]NerveActive 10 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 0 fun11 insightful - 1 fun -  (10 children)

Even if we didn't discuss trans people, we would be accused of being transphobic or evading ban and would get banned.

[–]lazy-summer-godSuper Gay 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

Possibly, yeah. But ultimately, this is not about being banned from some silly website that Reddit is. If we really want to have a functioning LGB movement, it can't be fueled by hate and "this is our current enemy" rhetoric. Hate is a fuel only for self-serving echo chambers.

I strongly believe that not starting trans topics is the key. If TRA come up with ideas of making children transition, call it out but not in LGB spaces. If TRA engage in discussion with us, {probably} presenting some ridiculous concepts, our answer should be "no, that's crazy, because X" and that's it, moving on, back to our topics and issues.

[–]yousaythosethingsFind and Replace "gatekeeping" with "having boundaries" 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I think these gender topics need to be able to be discussed and demystified by LGB people for us to get out of the fog. Unfortunately they are a big part of our current experience. I do agree we need to additionally and separately focus on creating new spaces for ourselves and to segregate the conversation between run of the mill LGB life shit where the gender ideology topic would not be a permitted topic of discussion other than perhaps in limited immediately relevant ways.

[–]NerveActive 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (7 children)

I'd like to participate in a community like this, but where would it be hosted? Reddit, saiddit, something else?

[–]lazy-summer-godSuper Gay 3 insightful - 1 fun3 insightful - 0 fun4 insightful - 1 fun -  (6 children)

Reddit is obviously hostile towards us, Saiddit and all other reddit wannabes lack perspective, I would say Discord.

[–]NeedMoreCoffee~=[,,_,,]=^_^= 5 insightful - 1 fun5 insightful - 0 fun6 insightful - 1 fun -  (5 children)

Discord is banning servers which are reported as "transphobic" so good luck with that

[–]lazy-summer-godSuper Gay 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (4 children)

Well, like I said, no one wants to be a platform for "hate speech". It's bad press.

[–]ukrdude10[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (3 children)

What the fuck is the definition of "hate speech", I haven't seen a coherent one yet. They are allowing hatred against white people, threatening women with rape and death, vandalizing shelters, yeah that's totally not hateful

[–]lazy-summer-godSuper Gay 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

That's the magic of "hate speech". You can call all sorts of things with that label if you try hard enough.

[–]ukrdude10[S] 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I saw an actual poster in my city saying "racism is not an opinion", which is absolutely ridiculous. "hate speech is not free speech" also doesn't make sense, but these idiotic phrases get shared everywhere.

[–]ukrdude10[S] 4 insightful - 1 fun4 insightful - 0 fun5 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

I have been on r/SuperStraight every single day, and transphobic comments were a small minority, many of them were provocations by AHS agents. There were even trans people who posted in support or curiosity, and we all responded positively and respectfully to them. The mods removed all hate comments, as well as CP and gore posted by AHS to shut us down. The ban was a complete dick move, when the mods worked so hard to abide by the rules.

r/LGBDropTheT I can't say much about it because I viewed it only a couple of times, but new subreddits such as r/NewPride were also banned, despite being actually focused on gay issues, gay history etc. Reddit has been lenient towards racist and misogynistic subreddits, it's a completely hypocritical platform. I've had enough of their pseudomoralistic bullshit to cater to advertisers.

[–]lazy-summer-godSuper Gay 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well, I've been there, too, and I did see quite controversial transphobic posts and comments that weren't removed. The problem with r/SuperStraight was that it didn't focus on celebrating this orientation, but it often did try to bash on trans people. You're right that it was not a majority at all, but I have to objectively say that this vocal minority of trans obsessed users wasn't always punished. It was a fast growing community and adding new mods rapidly meant creating a risk of being infiltrated by bad faith actors; in that environment, mods were uncapable of policing all comments, so they were capable of removing only the content reported by regular users.

The problem with all the new subreddits of LGB is that they'll always have the "ban evasion" card to use against them. That's a mistake on our part, but it would be delusional to expect some incredible level of organisation, considering it was a spontaneous movement. It's okay, though, because Reddit is a lost cause anyway.

I appeal that we don't repeat the same mistakes in the future. We are right in our postulates, so I don't see why questionable actions would be needed, especially when they're just harmful to our cause.

[–]MyLongestJourney 6 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 0 fun7 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

One word : Narcissism .

[–]WhiteRose 2 insightful - 1 fun2 insightful - 0 fun3 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well fucking said. All the horrific threats given to GC people is absolutely revolting, and definitely a huge part of my peaking.