Indoctrination / Doublethink"'I’m not attracted to trans people' is based on the idea that you actually CAN exclude trans folks from your dating pool, and you absolutely positively can’t"

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[–]ChunkeeguyTeam T*RF Fuck Yeah 46 insightful - 18 fun46 insightful - 17 fun47 insightful - 18 fun -  (7 children)

A lot of you are dating trans people right now and you have no idea

Their delusional bubble of reality really is as deep as the Marianas Trench isn't it.

[–]JulienMayfair 31 insightful - 4 fun31 insightful - 3 fun32 insightful - 4 fun -  (3 children)

I remember when I met "Margot," a transwoman friend of a friend. This was ~15 years ago. We were at a club where the lighting was low. After about five minutes, I turned to my friend and whispered in his ear, "Margot used to be a man, right?" He said, "Yes, but don't mention that you've noticed. She hates it when people notice."

Margot was 1) too tall, 2) had shoulders that were too big and wide, and 3) had an Adam's apple. And I'd say Margot actually passed pretty well.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 20 insightful - 1 fun20 insightful - 0 fun21 insightful - 1 fun -  (2 children)

I know a couple of trans women that I sense worry about passing, who very definitely do not. They play along when topics like women's hormone cycles come up, but don't add any personal experiences, of course. And I politely don't walk them into the same conversations I would normally have with women about such things, because I know they aren't women and therefore can't go there for real.

Neither of them is an asshole or spewing TRA bullshit so mostly I feel protective of them and cringe on their behalf about what's going on in their neck of the woods. It's got to be pretty scary to be a decent trans person right now, and that's something I've gleaned from a few I've read on Twitter. I'd worry about passing, too, if other people who identified the way I did were busy making complete asses of themselves, claiming to speak for all trans people, and causing a backlash. It's a hell of a trap to be in—not passing, while watching nutjobs smear your entire demographic as rapey, narcissistic bullies.

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 12 insightful - 1 fun12 insightful - 0 fun13 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

Neither of them is an asshole or spewing TRA bullshit so mostly I feel protective of them and cringe on their behalf about what's going on in their neck of the woods.

if they aren't actively fighting it, its still a problem. their kind are the ones in control now.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 1 insightful - 1 fun1 insightful - 0 fun2 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Well...yes and no. Inasmuch as they fear the same bullying as everyone else gets, they are not part of the problem. Is it helpful when they speak up to counter this abuse? Yes, it is. They are in a crummy position, too. But it does carry weight when they call BS on all of this. But I wouldn't lump any healthier person in with people with obvious Cluster B personality disorders and tar them all with a "their kind" brush.

[–]TiredTrendersSuper-gay 15 insightful - 1 fun15 insightful - 0 fun16 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That statement sounds a lot like their "everyone is an 'Egg' waiting to find itself and hatch" nonsense.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 8 insightful - 2 fun8 insightful - 1 fun9 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

They think people don’t look at their partner's crotches.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 40 insightful - 2 fun40 insightful - 1 fun41 insightful - 2 fun -  (5 children)

"You can’t exclude trans people"

I can, and I will. I don’t care if my "genital preferences" - sexual orientation being the proper term for that - offends transgender people. I want a real penis that responds to me, not some rolled up leg skin that just hangs and passes urine. And yes, there is a difference between a real vagina and the fake kind that post-op trans women have. A real vagina self-lubricates and doesn’t generate puss. You can tell the difference.

[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 29 insightful - 6 fun29 insightful - 5 fun30 insightful - 6 fun -  (2 children)

"genital preferences"

This morning I mentioned this concept to Husband, who (bless his heart) remains naive about these matters even after my attempts to educate. But, but, that's just like the 1980s rhetoric about "sexual preferences"! Uh-huh, yes dear.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 24 insightful - 1 fun24 insightful - 0 fun25 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

You and your husband sound so cute. Must to be nice to have a working marriage life. Hope one day to have one too.And no kids, just marriage, please.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 8 insightful - 1 fun8 insightful - 0 fun9 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Glad he’s waking up a bit.

[–]TiredTrendersSuper-gay 20 insightful - 2 fun20 insightful - 1 fun21 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Real vaginas also don't carry the high risk of developing fistulas thus linking the vagina to the colon/intestines like pseudo-vags do, but the moment you tell anyone that they just start Reeee-ing at you while calling you an ungrateful bigot.

[–]RedEyedWarriorGay | Male | 🇮🇪 Irish 🇮🇪 | Antineoliberal | Cocks are Compulsory 7 insightful - 1 fun7 insightful - 0 fun8 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

That’s disgusting. Eww.

[–]MyLongestJourney 28 insightful - 9 fun28 insightful - 8 fun29 insightful - 9 fun -  (3 children)

Can we be honest, cis folks? Have you ever said “trans women are women” in the comments section and had a person turn around and go, “wow, I never thought of it like that?” No. Because you’re not saying that to help trans people. If we’re honest, you’re saying that to help you. It’s a performance you put on. So, here’s the deal. If you want to keep doing that song and dance, you can. Have at it. If you’re interested in understanding and thinking about this conversation differently, let’s talk.

“I’m not attracted to trans people” is based on the idea that you actually CAN exclude trans folks from your dating pool, and you absolutely positively can’t.

Good.Gooood. Let that narcissism flow.Turn even your staunchest supporters against you.

[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 20 insightful - 8 fun20 insightful - 7 fun21 insightful - 8 fun -  (1 child)

I can confidently state that I have never written nor have I stated "trans women are women" except in quoting another person or as an obviously satirical remark.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This whining just sounds like one of them slightly coming to terms with the fact other people see this assertion as nonsense. So they're sniveling about it now. Tough. Yes, when you go around bullying people for not playing along with your personal delusions, they may see you as sufficiently noxious or dangerous that they'll play along. It's just walking on eggshells, as many people find themselves doing around people with Cluster B disorders.

[–]TransspeciesUnicornI sexually identify as a mythical sparkly equine 23 insightful - 14 fun23 insightful - 13 fun24 insightful - 14 fun -  (0 children)

You can’t exclude trans folks from your dating pool

Challenge accepted

[–]Socialjustus 27 insightful - 2 fun27 insightful - 1 fun28 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Gosh, this sounds almost EXACTLY like the argument that used to be made on r/incels. EXACTLY.

Funny how the incel subreddits being banned dovetails almost exactly with many of the lgbtq subs suddenly becoming toxified with this attitude of sex being "owed".

[–]TiredTrendersSuper-gay 13 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 4 fun14 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

"Corporate wants you to find the difference between these two groups"

Incels ---- TRAs/supporters

"They're the same group"

[–]ThrowMeAway2879[S] 24 insightful - 6 fun24 insightful - 5 fun25 insightful - 6 fun -  (4 children)

This was linked on r/Transgender. The comments:

  • "Pretty much spot on"
  • "I'm gonna bookmark this [...]"
  • "Scripture! Brilliant content!"

Linked article is a long, meandering essay that boils down to "No one is forcing anyone to date trans people, BUT..." and they love it.

[–]motss-pb 28 insightful - 10 fun28 insightful - 9 fun29 insightful - 10 fun -  (1 child)

"Scripture! Brilliant content!"

Thou shalt not reject a trans person's sexual advances.

The gender zealots can consider me a heretic then.

[–]lovelyspearmintLesbeing a lesbian 15 insightful - 10 fun15 insightful - 9 fun16 insightful - 10 fun -  (0 children)

Thou shalt worship the lady appendage and masculine alternate entrance

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

"No one is forcing anyone to date trans people, BUT..." and they love it.

Yes, the usual rapey gaslighting. Nothing new here, just a whole lot more words pasted onto it.

[–]dramasexual 23 insightful - 6 fun23 insightful - 5 fun24 insightful - 6 fun -  (1 child)

Yes, I can. And I don't have to justify why, either. Eat shit.

[–]wafflegaffWoman. SuperBi. 17 insightful - 1 fun17 insightful - 0 fun18 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

The real solution to this is that "no" is a complete sentence, and that wipes away the whole premise of this pile of whining. No one has to explain why they don't want to date someone else.

And dishonesty is a plenty good reason, so if someone passed for long enough to get their clothes off, they asked for that rejection because they're not giving the other person the opportunity to give INFORMED consent.

Having sex with someone isn't the same as going to watch a magician perform tricks. We do absolutely want and need to know what's going on behind the curtain. That's a basic right.

[–][deleted] 23 insightful - 3 fun23 insightful - 2 fun24 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

What is this about "many of you are with / have slept with a trans person and don't know"? Don't most trans people keep their genitals? Constantly having to go for injections, taking pills, owning patches or whatever is also a pretty big giveaway. If you are a straight couple, then the discussion of having children will also probably come up. Not to mention the obvious fact that the vast majority of post-op trans genitals =/= natural genitals in both looks and function.

"Many trans women can’t even handle having their genitals touched because of the dysphoria."

Ahahah. HSTS trans women, perhaps. A lot of AGP trans women seem to be positively in love with their "girldick" however, and those are the majority.

The rest is a weird mixture of decent commentary and Twitter-esque flavourless rambling. Trans people definitely do not deserve dehumanisation and to have their bodies treated as grotesque or as sexual objects. No-one deserves that. But, I am completely lost beyond that. I don't know what to take away other than "You can have your genital preferences, BUT only on my terms and PERHAPS you need to really deconstruct it and learn to want to fuck us".

[–]Neo_Shadow_LurkerPronouns: I/Don't/Care 19 insightful - 5 fun19 insightful - 4 fun20 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

What is this about "many of you are with / have slept with a trans person and don't know"?

They think neo-genitals look and function like the real real.

Yes, they're that delusional.

A lot of AGP trans women seem to be positively in love with their "girldick" however, and those are the majority.

If that's the case, then why most MtFs start to mess with their HRT once their dicks start to get limp? Wouldn't this be a good thing?

[–]strawberrysun 18 insightful - 10 fun18 insightful - 9 fun19 insightful - 10 fun -  (0 children)

You can’t exclude trans folks from your dating pool

Oh, yeah? Just watch me.

[–]hufflepuff-poet 22 insightful - 1 fun22 insightful - 0 fun23 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

74-88 minutes to read an article that basically says, "trans people are entitled to sleep with whoever they want, the other person's sexual orientation or consent be damned."

These people are ridiculous. Genitals matter in sex and dating, a world where no one cares about the genitals of their dating partner is a world of children--sex matters to adults and that is normal and natural. Should a straight woman who wants biological kids with her husband, settle for a trans man who can never impregnate her, should a gay man be expected to want a "boy pussy" instead of a dick, just to protect the trans man's feelings?! No, because another person's feelings/response to my boundaries is not my problem. We are not responsible for other people's feelings! You are an adult, you're feelings are your responsibility!

[–]xanditAGAB (Assigned Gay at Birth) 14 insightful - 1 fun14 insightful - 0 fun15 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

i skimmed it, it was the usually nonsense.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 19 insightful - 5 fun19 insightful - 4 fun20 insightful - 5 fun -  (0 children)

I positely can exclude who the fuck I want from my dating pool, especially males.

People watch porn for curiosity. I watched trans porn, pegging porn, gay porn, old people porn, porn where a woman was literally fucked by a dog. It's just curiosity.

[–][deleted] 18 insightful - 7 fun18 insightful - 6 fun19 insightful - 7 fun -  (0 children)

Broke: ewww don't chase me chaser

Woke: if you don't fuck me, you are a bigot

[–]Rag3 19 insightful - 4 fun19 insightful - 3 fun20 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

You can’t exclude trans people

I have before, I just did and I will continue to exclude whoever the hell I want from my dating pool for whatever reason I want to. Die mad about it.

[–]MarkJeffersonTight defenses and we draw the line 16 insightful - 3 fun16 insightful - 2 fun17 insightful - 3 fun -  (1 child)

People can and do exclude for being fat or thin, short or tall, by race, looks, age, size and shape(and all the minuetia) of primary and secondary sex characteristics, not to mention the things not body related, and yet excluding by trans identification is somehow NOT okay. Yanno, the old song and dance of 'unpack your bigoted preferences'.

I'll bet they'll never hold themselves to this same standard. Because apparently, almost all Trans exclude other Trans from their dating pool. Hey, I'm fine with that as well, but these TRAs definitely shouldn't be okay with that, based on their own shaming rhetoric about prejudice and inclusion.

Also, this site is annoying af on mobile. It keeps the huge title at the top, pointlessly taking up a third of the screen the whole time. Makes reading this long coercion apologist diatribe even more of a slog.

[–]Elvira95Viva la figa 16 insightful - 1 fun16 insightful - 0 fun17 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

Yeah, people exclude people for any kind of reason and its their natural right to exclude whoever they want since nobody own sex or company to anybody. But with trans, it seems like the right of consent and saying no doesn't exist.

[–]shveya 12 insightful - 6 fun12 insightful - 5 fun13 insightful - 6 fun -  (0 children)

It’s a performance you put on

Oh, you wanna talk about performances, eh?

[–]IridescentAnacondastrictly dickly 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

This wasn't as bad as I thought it would be and it was interesting to hear this person's perspective.

However, at the end of the day they don't really seem to be taking responsibility for their actions (I'm carefully choosing pronouns now and switched a few times for a variety of reasons). I am sympathetic to the desire to be treated as fundamentally human and not somebody's sex object or object of ridicule.

My problem with trans people isn't at the individual level of wanting romantic and spiritual fulfillment. It is with a community that refuses to police itself regarding boundary violations. When trans people collectively stop demanding sexual access to others who don't want to interact with them sexually, collectively stop demanding deep changes in fundamental aspects of our language, and collectively shame calls for violence within their own ranks, then I am open to having a conversation with them about some of the valid points that are raised in this article.

[–]Sapphist_ 13 insightful - 1 fun13 insightful - 0 fun14 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I can, do and always will, exclude them from my dating pool.

They are delusional to pretend that they are women. Everyone knows that they are men. Besides the glaring example of their dicks (which they love to keep), the walk, the jawline (why do they get facial feminization surgery? They know they look like men) the Adam’s apple and most of all: they are not women.

I’m not attracted to men and TW are men, no matter what they call themselves. If it walks like a man and talks like a man: it’s a male.

[–]GConly 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (0 children)

You can’t exclude trans people from your dating pool because you have no idea who’s trans.

I think you'll find we can normally tell at 100 paces.

[–]GreykittymommaMagical lady 💜 10 insightful - 3 fun10 insightful - 2 fun11 insightful - 3 fun -  (0 children)

Nice fucked up attitude about women and porn by the way.

Hey guys, everyone wants to see us fuck but isn't it sad how we are sex objects? Stupid real women are treated with so much dignity and respect on porn sites. Also, you never see flaccid girl dicks, dilated neovags or arm dicks getting goosbumps anywhere.

I mean, the nerve!

[–]jim_steak 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (1 child)

"Imagine with me, if you will, that you are a 13-year-old girl who has a penis." "There were women with penises, and you weren’t even lucky enough to be that." "You have a folder full of images of trans women on your computer. You’re engaging with feminizing kinks." "Many or even most of us have our first encounter with transness through pornography."

Hmm this guy has an odd fascination with being a "chick with a dick". I'm sure this is unrelated to the hundreds of hours of "chick with dick" pornography he reports consuming.

[–][deleted] 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

He admits that his first experience with trans is through porn. Which means it's not something innate with him, but some fetish he developed by watching porn.

And we're supposed to encourage that?

[–]chandra 11 insightful - 1 fun11 insightful - 0 fun12 insightful - 1 fun -  (0 children)

I mean, even if the idea that "technically you can't exclude all trans people because some of us pass" is true, we can still exclude like 99% of you.

Trans exclusion in dating is the result of decades of misusing us and our bodies for entertainment and lust.

Erm, I'm pretty sure it's the result of you not being the right sex.

A lot of you are dating trans people right now, and you have no idea. And the reason you have no idea is because your “wives,” “girlfriends,” “husbands,” and “boyfriends,” are terrified to tell you. Because they know how you feel about trans people, so they’re hiding from you. They’re afraid of what you will do to them when they come out.

Well maybe don't continue to date someone you know wouldn't want you if they knew who you really were?

It's as astounding as it is pathetic that trans activists have constructed such a radical, convoluted new theory of human sexuality purely to justify their demands for sex. Imagine the mental gymnastics needed to believe that human sexuality doesn't involve biological sex in any way.

[–]clitoriana 5 insightful - 2 fun5 insightful - 1 fun6 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

I stay excluding trans people from as many areas of my life as possible 💕