John Cleese hits peak trans and we are alive to see it

Camberian · 2020-07-19T12:35:14+00:00

What the hell did she expect? Gay men want male bodies. Biologically male bodies which started out male straight from the get go. They do not want to have sex with women. She probably was even traumatic to a few of them who were too drunk or stoned to realise right away. And her friend is a douchebag. A sadistic one.

Camberian · 2020-07-10T11:45:04+00:00

The casual acceptance of visual violence by women per se is what horrifies me much more. I recently witnessed a discussion amongst authors where a suggested cover contained casual extreme violence/harm of a woman (think something similar to dumping acid on a woman) and several women found it hilarious. We are talking of a romance. There were a few contrarian voices, but in general people thought it was so incongruous that it was laughable. A joke.

I don't get that.

Camberian · 2020-07-06T09:20:30+00:00

In my opinion she is right. If you stop and think about it, I doubt you would find any black community willing to accept white people "turning themselves black" - even if mentally ill.

Camberian · 2020-07-19T05:07:17+00:00

Good grief.

Camberian · 2020-07-18T17:51:56+00:00

Masks have been proven to protect very recently and conclusively. They do not protect the wearer overly much (depending on type), they protect the others from you spreading the virus. The scientific and peer reviewed tests have been done years ago, during the heyday of influenza and SARS-1. There have - again - been recent tests, e.g. in the entire city of Jena, as well as scientific tests in lab conditions, which all prove the same thing.

The reason why quite a few countries chose not to acknowledge that masks help, was not because of potential improper handling or unnecessary risks. It was because in all of these countries there were not enough masks available for the entire population, especially medical-grade masks. A lot of these countries are currently coming about 100% now that masks have become widely available again.

Camberian · 2020-07-07T08:35:06+00:00

Bloody hell. Unbelievable.

Camberian · 2020-07-01T08:01:25+00:00

I was "recruited" by TRA's infiltration of formerly left-leaning liberal media where you could discuss and debate just about anything. The actual recruiting then was done by Maria MacLachlan and her formidable website. No need for reddit for that. And Julie Bindel also may have been one of the voices telling me my misgivings had a valid basis.

Camberian · 2020-07-10T13:20:10+00:00

Yes. And the case I refer to was worse than that. The violence on the cover was entirely removed from the content of the book. It was picked because the author thought it's funny, not for any intrinsic relation to plot or characters. And no one found any of this noteworthy. Sometimes I wonder just in which cloud-cuckoo-land these women live that they are not aware that what they think is incongruous is something many, many women experience first-hand.

Camberian · 2020-07-06T18:31:20+00:00

Errm. No. I happen to like intercourse with men, particularly PIV intercourse. I also like intercourse with women. I'm bi. Not going to stop liking either. Both feel equally nice to me. Liking PIV is not anti-feminist.

Camberian · 2020-07-16T09:23:58+00:00

I can rec "Unbelievable", as it is definitely pro-fem and pro-women, with very strong and realistic female characters.

Stay away from season 3 of "Designated Survivor". Not only a holier than thou trans sister in law, but also the typical narratives of horrid feminists barring trans*women from the ladies bathroom and so on and forth. Pity, because the first two seasons (not made by Netflix) had a couple of really strong, excellently written women.

Camberian · 2020-07-11T08:12:39+00:00

Are there actual doctors around in the USA who believe this? I can't even. What bollocks.

Camberian · 2020-07-07T10:01:48+00:00

Because she excuses TRA speak with fake science.

Camberian · 2020-09-23T07:32:28+00:00

... pay for a desperate or trafficked woman to suck your dick.

Yes. This is by now the standard POV in Germany. There's practically no discussion possible.

Camberian · 2020-07-18T10:41:12+00:00

Your post is a perfect demonstration of the point that the OP of this thread made.

Yes. You said it and spared me responding.

Camberian · 2020-07-18T09:20:51+00:00

Oh yes. I get that accusation (being a man) also quite often. And the tone one, too.

But the tone is usually just factual and neutral. I've been once accused of having a horrid tone for stating things in the manner of "1+1=2" or "Albert Einstein was a genius". Those are factual statements, they do not need any "tone" applied to them. I'm not going to say "In my humble opinion, and you might see it differently, but I suggest that one plus one might be two." No way, no how.

The problem is that this, and the refusal to listen to and think through criticism is growing worse now. Much worse.

Camberian · 2020-07-09T19:10:07+00:00

I agree. And I think he already has taken a step back to reflect about his semi-automatic backpaddling in fear of the TRA. The backlash is definitely already humongous if you look at the reactions to what he posted. It will be interesting to see where this goes.

Camberian · 2020-09-20T07:57:01+00:00

Unfortunately they both talk at machine gun speed, and their enunciation is not to clear either. That limits the reach of such podcasts to native/local people with superior hearing chops.

Camberian · 2020-09-19T17:26:11+00:00

They already have cleverly confused people to the meanings of "Sex" and "Gender". "Geschlecht" (the German word for both) is neutral and can be handily abused to mean any which thing they want.

And our nouns all have a gender.

That is not the problem I am talking about though. Until fairly recently (maybe 2018/2019) transgender was no issue here. The law forbade any sex-changing treatment prior to the 18th birthday, and only after extensive psychiatric treatment (I think it used to be 4 years and then was reduced to 2 years. Treatment was dependent of several clinical therapists recommending it after lengthy therapy.

All this is rapidly changing, and if you know what to look for, you notice how terms are currently obfuscated in a push for US/UK rules and a treatment of teens. There's a heavy influx of autogynephilic and transvestitic males, while the public still believes we talk only about a few rare transsexual males with extreme dysphoria.

Camberian · 2020-07-11T08:31:52+00:00

Excellent article! Thank you.

Camberian · 2020-07-09T05:25:51+00:00

I never shaved. Anywhere. So yes, of course I wear shorts and skirts with unshaven legs. And I do have dark and plenty hair.

Camberian · 2020-07-07T04:35:09+00:00

Smarmy, rapacious, bought. The first few minutes were quite enough, no thank you.

Camberian · 2020-07-06T18:32:56+00:00

I think you get all sorts being gender-critical.

Camberian · 2020-07-06T09:07:42+00:00

I don't wear make-up, don't shave, wear gender-neutral or butch clothes, don't have any "feminine" mannerisms, talk straight to the point, rarely go out of my way to be "femininely nice", never wore a bra, and have never done or condoned gendering at any point in my life. I have always been open with my gender-nonconforming stance and have propagated it whenever possible. What else to do than that?

Personal opinion/question: I don't for the life of me understand why such a huge number of girls and women submit to this sexist gender bullshit. I just don't get it. It's as if - vaguely around the 2000s - someone de-brained all youths and implanted sexist gendering in their minds and souls. And absolutely no one questioned this.

Camberian · 2020-07-10T14:53:03+00:00

I have. No problem with that. It's something you expect there.

It's the fact that there are educated women, who don't realise that such an activity is something which is being done to other women and hence horrific, that kills me. It's as if they live in sort of a la-di-da-land, where everything is just peachy and fine, and don't anymore notice reality.

Camberian · 2020-07-06T19:23:55+00:00

I did. So?

Camberian · 2020-07-06T13:27:12+00:00

Hits it on the nail.

Camberian · 2021-06-21T11:41:05+00:00

Unbelievable. I never thought they'd do this. How horrid for the other participants.

Camberian · 2020-07-18T17:33:35+00:00

Apparently the moment you do not grovel and self-deprecate you have a "tone".

Camberian · 2020-07-16T17:23:27+00:00

I'm an author, and am currently plotting a book with a GNC teen, being myself extremely GNC. I hope people will read it, because these days even YA is horribly gendered.

Camberian · 2020-07-06T09:16:21+00:00

The 2000s are a watershed, I believe, at least in Europe. I didn't notice any pink/blue toys and any overt gendering kids before that here. On the contrary, most progressive people were wholeheartedly supporting individualism and gender-neutral behaviour at the time. The Lego advertisements (the famous comparison? You know?) are exemplary. This has changed. 100% changed.

And no, I'm afraid. These days you get laughed straight out of the room if you table this.

Camberian · 2020-07-03T16:43:41+00:00

I don't know. Actually I think they may be getting the upper hand, I meet their allies everywhere. Online, they have taken over every space I used to enjoy. Offline, I lately meet with people mindlessly chattering and repeating what TRAs tell them. In my country there was not a single critical broadsheet article about the takedown of JKR. And policy-wise they are making inroads, with politicians of the left and right jumping to their bidding.

Camberian · 2020-09-22T06:20:40+00:00

Nothing different from before.

Camberian · 2020-09-20T07:46:41+00:00

I don't even know how to react to this.

I'm a naturist, I grew up in a naturist surrounding, yet no one ever pressured me to share changing rooms with the other sex. Every sauna and every swimming pool here were I live (Southern Germany) has single-sex accommodations and single-sex swimming days. And no one ever forced me to go nude either, not even in naturist camps and clubs.

I actually PREFER an open, equable treatment of the body, according to one's personal wishes of course.

And where you get the idea, that bodily autonomy is not valued in Germany, you have to explain. The contrary is the case.

Camberian · 2020-09-19T17:02:37+00:00

Nanowrimo has practically been taken over by TRAs. I didn't continue last November on the website because of this, and have ceased participating in any event since.

My writer friends and I maintain our own website privately, where we as a staunch feminist group continue with our old writing month and camp habits on our own.

Camberian · 2020-07-18T15:56:11+00:00

So right! And if you are your normal self on the internet with a neutral name, people do not chastise you, instead they believe you are a guy.

Camberian · 2020-07-17T05:33:05+00:00

I had a very curious online discussion a few months back - unrelated to any of the radfem topics - in which I was completely astonished that the (US American) other woman maintained, that women as a rule could keep up with men, if they were athletic and worked out a bit. She was dead set in this belief too. The discussion arose from me stating that a 70 years old guy still was likely to be way stronger than any young woman. To say I was completely flabbergasted by her belief is understating it.

Camberian · 2020-07-08T16:21:50+00:00

Personally I think a large part is the inexplicable immaturity of this age group.

Camberian · 2020-07-03T15:22:23+00:00

And here's a quote from one of the forae:

Your comment about “obvious biological facts” denies the very identity of people who’s biology does not match their reality, and is a classic transphobic expression/argument. Not going to happen on this forum.

In consequence the response to the question whether or not Rowling is a transphobe (that OP stated she is not, because she refers to obvious biological facts) got the silent/hidden treatment.

Camberian · 2020-09-23T11:52:23+00:00

It's radfem-related. The main reason why I never felt and don't really feel welcome and at home among radical feminists. It's also not something I can change, I'm as much born with it, as people get born with red hair or a particular sexual orientation.

Camberian · 2020-09-23T08:19:05+00:00

I'm not welcome anywhere and have to constantly hide part of myself due fear of being banned, and that is done by women. Not men.

So what else is new?

Camberian · 2020-09-23T05:25:48+00:00

The first question you might want to look into is why you want to harm yourself, because punters harm prostitutes.

There's no logic in that. Logically, and instead, punters need to be ripped a second, third and fourth arsehole for doing what they do. Prostitution needs to be abolished, the Swedish model embraced in all countries, and punters mercilessly hounded, prosecuted and outed for what they do (the majority are in relationships).

Camberian · 2020-09-19T21:14:19+00:00

LOL, okay, I stand corrected. I don't watch Stern TV, nor VOX or most other Privatfernsehen, so that sensationalist stuff went by me. What I am noticing is how the topic now enters halfway serious broadsheets and magazines, like Spiegel, Zeit, FAZ and Süddeutsche.

As to the article, I believe it was in the FAZ weekend magazine a week ago. The Spiegel referenced it last week.

Camberian · 2020-07-11T07:00:28+00:00

Probably very unpopular opinion here, but I do not think that the people are trolls, who say that having children comes with setbacks and responsibilities and is a choice parents have made when having them.

People need to get [back] to the point where they understand that they can't have their cake and eat it too. Not unless they are willing to pay the much higher taxes and vote for the much more left-wing socialist political parties who are willing to ensure that these costs [of parenthood] are shouldered not by individuals, but instead by the solidly united commonality. That would be the only route which separates consequences from the deed for the individual parents.

Personally, I made the choice of not having children when I was 14. I never wavered from that. I'm an artist, I knew ahead that my work and children would never combine. Not because of a lack of someone else who'd take care of them (I live in a country with extensive parental aid, pregnancy leave and parental leave for BOTH parents as per choice, and I have friends and family where the men stayed at home and took/take care of the children for many years).

No, it was exactly this conundrum currently faced by so many parents, that decided me. I knew that I - if push comes to shove - would resent giving up time, work and goals to raise and maintain a child. And really, no child deserves having such a parent and such a mindset forced on them. It's not that difficult to reflect upon this and come to a decision.

Insofar I do feel sorry for this writer, but at the same time, I think she and her partner haven't thought things through enough prior to deciding to have children. I also think that if you want such specific societal problems to change, you really need to first set things in motion politically, and given where the USA currently are drifting, given that apparently so many already unfavourably view general health insurance, I doubt a socialised childcare is anywhere nearby. In such a societal climate complacency will bite you in the end.

For the moment all one can hope is that TPB quickly become more reasonable in the fight against infections and that they'll find a solid treatment and/or a vaccination.

Camberian · 2020-07-10T15:47:00+00:00

Kills me there is that they are developed country, but living like 3rd world muslim countries society-wise

You lost me there. What do you mean by that?

Expected should not be a norm, thought.

I wouldn't say Manga are the norm, and Japan definitely is a culture one can't compare to Western cultures just like that. So, when I read Manga I know what to expect. It stuns me when women of my own general cultural sphere show that they don't even know that assault and battery of women is still very much a thing.

Camberian · 2020-07-10T13:45:42+00:00

Hmm.

Firstly, there are special types of contraceptive pills geared towards teenagers, and the gynaecologist needs to make sure, anyway, that she does not have any habits (e.g. smoking) or illnesses, which could heighten the risk for blood clots. Find a good gyn and send your daughter to them if she plans on having sex for more than a few times.

Secondly, there are perfectly secure and viable methods of chemical and mechanical contraception (contraceptive foam/gel with a condom or a diaphragm) which you can get in advance and in such ample amounts, that you and your daughter can stash them anywhere where she might happen to have sex. Including a set to go into her purse, so she never is without. It's a bit fiddly, but most teenagers quickly figure it out (I remember well enough that we all did).

Thirdly, please stop disrespecting your daughter's privacy. If you want her to stay relaxed with you and any information and help coming from you, you need to let go. Allow her the security of your home to make those first experiences, rather than force her out into a car, motels, sub-par friends' place or doing it standing in a side alley. And what not else. I had sex for the first time just after I turned 15 and my parents were relaxed enough to respect my closed door. And cool enough to allow my then boyfriend to have breakfast with us. I cherish that respect to the day.

Lastly, and pardon my directness, but that notion that someone bonds with someone they sleep with hormonally driven in any great manner is BS. Sex doesn't automatically cause the release of any "bonding hormones" (you are probably thinking of oxytocin). That hormone is already produced when you cuddle (even you as the mother with your daughter). Most teenagers quickly get over their first lovers and move on, we are more like bonobos, and less like swans.

Camberian · 2020-07-05T18:00:25+00:00

She can self-publish.

Camberian · 2020-07-02T06:35:16+00:00

I've ceased to buy books or consume goods from companies submitting to cancel culture. So yes, this is good news.

Camberian · 2020-06-30T05:29:11+00:00

I'm sorry for how you feel and what you had to go through. Reading your post, could you please explain something for me? You say that you "bawled when your mother told you to get a bra". Was that about the fact you developed breasts, or due the fact that you had to wear a bra?

Camberian · 2020-09-24T11:37:54+00:00

I started reading the first of the series, and like it. I'll work myself up to the fifth. It's the least I can do.

Camberian · 2020-09-21T17:00:01+00:00

Yahoo bought it.

Camberian · 2020-09-21T16:15:38+00:00

Yep.

Camberian · 2020-09-21T10:17:30+00:00

You need to read Cordelia Fine.

Camberian · 2020-09-21T09:47:08+00:00

So sorry, but Trump is definitely a worse outcome to the election than Biden.

Camberian · 2020-09-19T21:11:38+00:00

Nah, I believe mainly journalists use the term "transsexual" to hide that nowadays we are talking about totally different types.

Camberian · 2020-09-19T17:41:41+00:00

And it is just as language based here, of course they want people to "correctly gender" them per nouns, names and gender designation.

Camberian · 2020-09-19T17:40:30+00:00

That doesn't stop them giving suicide as a reason to change the laws and habits in favour of TRA. The article of today was about a "suicidal transsexual called Liam" (born as a woman).

Camberian · 2020-07-16T17:40:42+00:00

A lot of these trans* YA books are written by trans* authors. And yes, I agree, it is disconcerting how this most likely fuels the whole thing even.

Camberian · 2020-07-10T14:05:58+00:00

None of my post was snarky, uninformed or patronising. But whatever - a nice day to you as well.

Camberian · 2020-07-06T09:22:15+00:00

Agreed. And sigh. Metrosexuality used to be a thing. Apparently not so anymore.

Camberian · 2020-07-03T15:26:19+00:00

I think Semenya may be one of the various forms of intersex, and their aptitude for athletics - enhanced by their atypical physiology - led to the situation they are now in.

Camberian · 2020-06-30T12:17:52+00:00

Thanks for the answer. I asked, because I also hate bras, however, my mother never told me to wear any. I own exactly one bra and one set of underpants - to wear when seeing a doctor. At all other times I don't wear any underwear at all. That has been several decades now. I rarely ever wear female clothes, if yes, then sort of djellaba-style dresses. Most of the time it is pants and shirts/t-shirts. Practical stuff. I'm not exactly "butch", because I don't consciously try to look like a man, but give it a few years yet and people would probably mistake me for Peachyoghurt's younger sister ;) Doing my own thing, if you will. I was lucky to grow up in a time and place where being individualistic was seen as a good thing.

Camberian · 2021-07-29T03:38:10+00:00

Great article. It tables the exact problems I have with radical feminism. Well written.

Camberian · 2020-09-20T14:03:10+00:00

What are your supposed points exactly? You claim, you can't visit a clothed sauna. You can, I showed you that - plenty of clothed saunas in the area. You claim, people force you to be naked. They don't. No one forces you to use a specific sauna or for that matter any sauna at all. You claim, that Germans have a problem with bodily autonomy, which they don't have.

And then you tie all that to Asian, Muslim and Jewish people in a manner, which is even less understandable, as all these groups have their own baths and saunas which few Germans ever visit.

The last part about how transgender people use those saunas is complete speculation, as of now. How do you expect someone should react to what hasn't even played out yet?

And the troll here is certainly not me. If you look up, you see I started this thread. For a reason which has ZERO to do with potential misgivings about perfectly normal sauna habits in Germany.

Camberian · 2020-07-10T14:47:15+00:00

Elite Daily? Psychology Today? I suggest something more scientific and peer reviewed if you want to convince me. This isn't even popular science.

Purse, backpack, back pocket - it doesn't matter which, as long as it holds their stuff. Where I live - which is not the USA - you can't wipe your nose with a phone, nor use it as a tampon, or carry your keys. Lots of teens and adults here still use some sort of carryall.

I'm however done with this discussion. I bow out. :)

Camberian · 2020-07-10T08:17:43+00:00

One large group against corsetting in that era were the naturalist/pre-Raphaelite painters (Artistic Dress Movement) and artists I believe. They championed wide, loose dresses for women related to Antiquity and the mediterranean area. There are quite a few early photos, paintings and articles around showing their daughters and spouses in such clothes.

Another group (Dress Reformers) comprised "doctors against corsets" or a similarly named group, as well as various male and female scientists. They apparently held a dialogue about the topic via broadsheets and articles in broadsheets and concentrated on the negative medical consequences of corsetting.

I also read about the early suffragettes and feminists who lobbied against corsets, and there was this movement for the wearing of bloomers and trousers by women, which included a stance against corsetting. So yes, there was quite some criticism going on.

As to corsetting as a modern body modification kink in (and out of) BDSM, I have no beef with that. These people (men and women) do it of their own volition. No one forces them, they can stop whenever they want to, and truth be told, it is quite similar to anyone wearing earrings, a piercing, a tattoo or a fingerring.

Camberian · 2020-07-08T21:17:28+00:00

It probably also depends from which side of the pond you are.

I can easily see, why e.g. someone who is asexual or someone who is polyamorous considers himself or herself queer. These people get pretty much the same shitty treatment by heteronormative people as gays, lesbians and bisexuals do. And they are definitely looked at as being queer in the old sense of the word over here.

Camberian · 2020-07-07T08:23:57+00:00

Thank you very much!!!

Camberian · 2020-07-06T13:57:22+00:00

Yes, I agree. The aisles now are as separated into pink and blue here as they are in the USA.

Camberian · 2020-09-24T16:35:42+00:00

That isn't age-play, however. Which is what the OP asked about.

Camberian · 2020-09-24T16:34:27+00:00

They are sadists or dominants, and no, they are mainly aroused by the submission of their partners.

Try Ray Blanchard and Kurt Freund. Both established the difference between paedophiles and age play/infantilism already in the 1990s.

Also:

Kaitlyn Hawkinson, Brian D. Zamboni: Adult Baby/Diaper Lovers: An Exploratory Study of an Online Community Sample. In: Archives of Sexual Behavior

Camberian · 2020-09-24T13:54:22+00:00

You need to start with how you define "kink", before you ask. But yes, age play is unrelated to paedophilia. The evidence is trustworthy, as most of it has been laid down by psycho-sexual scientists and researchers. Age play and adult baby play is linked to masochism instead of paedophilia.

Camberian · 2020-09-23T18:00:01+00:00

Who said that liberal feminists are any better?

I made the distinction between GC being the issue or the radfem approach of this forum and/or Ovarit and/or Spinster.

And sorry, but I'm not sorry for women who're othering me. I can sympathise with some goals, as obviously I do regarding trans and GC. But that's as far as I will go these days, especially after my nose has been bloodied once too often.

That's also why I actually prefer working in all-male environments. Guys band together and work together and are capable of seeing a common goal. Women don't and every female only group I've been in my life had such a large number of backstabbers and poppy-cutters, that in the end the goal suffered.

Camberian · 2020-09-23T03:40:09+00:00

“Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you.” (Joseph Heller)

... or in other words, just because you wished that all female spaces are nice and friendly, doesn't mean they are. I regularly find a lot of needless (and unfounded) idealisation going on in this respect, and accusations of "internalised misogyny" - when it's just seeing the facts for what they are.

Camberian · 2020-09-21T06:36:12+00:00

I'm not sure.

Unlike the USA and the UK, Germany doesn't have the same, strong "competition in sports" thing going. Most high school kids don't have much sports at all. If yes, then it is just between age 10 and age 14 and comprises 2 hours of either apparatus gymnastics or swimming per week. Schools don't compete against each other in sports. Universities don't compete in sports either, there are no sports at universities, except for those which specialise on sports, and they are few. Practically all sports are privately organised in local clubs and a matter of leisure time. Out of the public eye.

There are no advantages anyone might have by winning sports competitions here (except at a high enough level advertising income). The entire underlying system of the USA and UK is lacking. Anyone can study, there are very low - if any - fees attached to studying, and everyone not well-endowed enough and under a certain age limit can apply for Bafög, which is the state paying for your costs as a student (including living costs and study fees where applicable). No one wins scholarships here via sports, actually scholarships are extremely few and far between and entirely linked to scientific and intellectual merit, usually for genius level pupils and bachelors.

So I doubt anyone would immediately care about that.

As to kids, the laws which currently are lobbied to be changed are precisely those. But I'm not sure people actually understand what this means. The general public, as I stated elsewhere here, still conflates clinical transsexualism with the current transgender craze. Or, worse yet, they conflate transgender with homosexuality.

Camberian · 2020-09-20T20:16:12+00:00

Actually the FAZ article refers to legislation being influenced as we speak.

Camberian · 2020-09-20T12:02:13+00:00

I used the * to indicate that the entire thing encompasses not just transsexuals, but also transgender, AGP, and transvestites. That is how I so far have the * seen being used in English (which is what I have been writing here mostly).

In German I tend to resort to either the generic gender or the correct gender for an individual. I don't do the whole over-PC blah blah ;)

Camberian · 2020-09-20T11:40:27+00:00

Sauna restricted to women can be found here: https://www.ganz-hamburg.de/freizeit-und-fitness/schwimmbad-sauna-spa/sauna-fur-frauen-in-und-um-hamburg-2012.html

"Textiltage" (=clothed sauna days) are offered by all larger sauna facilities in and around Hamburg.

As to bodily autonomy, no one is forcing anyone in Germany to be naked. You can absolutely leave or take any sort of visit to a facility which works with a "nude only" principle.

"Bodily autonomy" means "körperliche Selbstbestimmung". It is quite crazy to suggest that anyone hinders a woman from living in physical self-determination in Germany (except possibly in case of imprisonment/treatment after due process). It is even less understandable when "körperliche Selbstbestimmung" gets mixed up with whether or not someone visits a recreational facility they can just as easily not visit or change.

Camberian · 2020-09-20T11:04:29+00:00

Isn't exactly helpful, depending on what the hearing problem is, I'm afraid.

Camberian · 2020-09-20T08:46:44+00:00

I understood you quite alright, but even in Hamburg, Lüneburg and Kiel, all cities and regions where I used to live, you got "clothed" and "nude" days. Usually they are equally frequent. Nothing keeps you from going into a sauna during "clothed" days or to saunas which cater exclusively to clothed clients. They all exist, all over Germany.

And yes, of course a nude sauna will require ALL people to enter it in the nude. That's why it is called a nude sauna. One very understandable reason being, that no one wants clothed people enter just to ogle nude people there.

And as long as we are talking private saunas offered by private business people to the general public, as opposed to state/town/county-maintained facilities, you are perfectly free to use them, or to not do so. You can always choose which you prefer, and it is expected of an adult person, to simply ask prior to appearing there. Personally I have no problem with informing myself first, and yes, I can understand why people would be taken aback, when someone arrives and raises a stink about a policy they could and should have informed themselves about first.

Please define what you consider "bodily autonomy", because - and I lived in quite a few countries in Europe - there are few countries more concerned about bodily autonomy than Germany. Something having to do with the 3rd Reich and how bodily autonomy was taken from people then. Your idea and my idea about this seem to be quite different. Maybe just say the term in German.

Camberian · 2020-07-19T09:16:24+00:00

And I just had another such occurrence. Apparently these days "certain" things may not even be mentioned or written about anymore. I'm sorry, but we are post-1984. If violence or negative behaviour can't be tabled or used in the arts anymore, because people expect that to be some Disneyworld instead, arts lose its meaningfulness.

And I'll add something, which might not be so popular. This entire thing has two sides. If violence towards men is acceptable (as a topic or in any kind of art) and that towards women gets the Disney treatment, then that is just as much of a problem.

Camberian · 2020-07-11T12:13:02+00:00

Yes, the cost needs to be shouldered by the community with higher taxes, but that's not where we are, and I really feel for them. And from a selfish perspective, the inequalities that come out of this have an effect on all women as a class.

If anything, I would hope that afterwards, when there is the leisure and ability to reflect about what happened, that women would again band together realising that equality hasn't been achieved yet by a mile and then some. That there are more changes to actively work for, especially by those women who want to combine work and children. I think that liberal feminism has become too complacent in that respect and somehow believes the war has been won, when it was just a squirmish or two.

Camberian · 2020-07-11T07:21:55+00:00

Angelfire ist still around at a 12 $ yearly cost, and probably too old-fashioned now to attract TRA CEOs.

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