Remember when liberal feminists hated Twilight because it romanticizes abuse?

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[–]Camberian 41 insightful - 2 fun41 insightful - 1 fun42 insightful - 2 fun -  (16 children)

The casual acceptance of visual violence by women per se is what horrifies me much more. I recently witnessed a discussion amongst authors where a suggested cover contained casual extreme violence/harm of a woman (think something similar to dumping acid on a woman) and several women found it hilarious. We are talking of a romance. There were a few contrarian voices, but in general people thought it was so incongruous that it was laughable. A joke.

I don't get that.

[–]firebird 24 insightful - 2 fun24 insightful - 1 fun25 insightful - 2 fun -  (1 child)

Reminds me of that X-men billboard a couple of years ago. Sure, you already know beforehand that there's going to be violence in a movie like that, but why put up a massive billboard of a woman being strangled? If violence continues to be portrayed that casually all around us, society as a whole is just going to be numb to it. We're already down that path and it scares me to be honest.

[–]Camberian 18 insightful - 2 fun18 insightful - 1 fun19 insightful - 2 fun -  (0 children)

Yes. And the case I refer to was worse than that. The violence on the cover was entirely removed from the content of the book. It was picked because the author thought it's funny, not for any intrinsic relation to plot or characters. And no one found any of this noteworthy. Sometimes I wonder just in which cloud-cuckoo-land these women live that they are not aware that what they think is incongruous is something many, many women experience first-hand.

[–]VioletRemi 11 insightful - 4 fun11 insightful - 3 fun12 insightful - 4 fun -  (13 children)

...you haven't seen japanese media yet.

[–]Camberian 9 insightful - 2 fun9 insightful - 1 fun10 insightful - 2 fun -  (12 children)

I have. No problem with that. It's something you expect there.

It's the fact that there are educated women, who don't realise that such an activity is something which is being done to other women and hence horrific, that kills me. It's as if they live in sort of a la-di-da-land, where everything is just peachy and fine, and don't anymore notice reality.

[–]VioletRemi 21 insightful - 4 fun21 insightful - 3 fun22 insightful - 4 fun -  (11 children)

Kills me there is that they are developed country, but living like 3rd world muslim countries society-wise, and in all media women are depicted as a piece of meat, and there even whole genres of media/art/games about humiliating women. Misogyny at it finest.

expect there

Expected should not be a norm, thought.

[–]Camberian 6 insightful - 3 fun6 insightful - 2 fun7 insightful - 3 fun -  (10 children)

Kills me there is that they are developed country, but living like 3rd world muslim countries society-wise

You lost me there. What do you mean by that?

Expected should not be a norm, thought.

I wouldn't say Manga are the norm, and Japan definitely is a culture one can't compare to Western cultures just like that. So, when I read Manga I know what to expect. It stuns me when women of my own general cultural sphere show that they don't even know that assault and battery of women is still very much a thing.

[–]VioletRemi 18 insightful - 1 fun18 insightful - 0 fun19 insightful - 1 fun -  (9 children)

If you grow up in this culture, you are thinking it is norm. In Iraq (or Iran, I dont remember) there were times when women were asking to beat themselves as they "did something wrong" like showed face or so. Same is here as well, people grown up in this misogyny and thinking it is a norm. There were a lot of women who were fighting against suffregettes as well. Casual people need a big kick (or advertisements) to become active.

What do you mean by that?

Well, how society treat women, how they treat gay people, lesbians (and trans). In manga they all time sexualized and drawn, but in real life gay men can be pushed to sterilyzing themselves, lesbians can be separated or even pushed to straight marriages, trans people pushed to be sterilized as well. It is very hard for women to get anywhere or get any good treatment comparable to men. And if you check their goverment, when man is speaking - everyone silent and listening, when woman is speaking - everyone just ignoring her and talk with each other.